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Wills to pilot £25m war chopper – The Sun
Prince William will take the controls of one of the Army’s awesome Apache super-choppers. Wills, who announced this week he is to become a full-time helicopter pilot, will fly a series of missions in the £25million tank-killers. He arrived at the Air Corps’ base in Middle Wallop, Hants, on Monday and will spend time learning about Army air support’s vital role in war zones…
Charles’ secret plan to make Camilla Queen – News.com.au
Prince Charles has begun working on a secret plan to have his wife Camilla Parker Bowles made queen when he becomes king. The heir to the throne has held a series of meetings with his senior aides, constitutional experts and religious leaders, despite the Queen’s fears that elevating Camilla from her role as the Duchess of Cornwall could damage the royal family…
Tying The Royal Knot – Prince William and Kate’s astrology – California Psychics
Sex scandals and failed marriages have plagued British royalty in recent years. So it’s no surprise that the most scrutinized couple in England right now is Prince William and longtime girlfriend Kate Middleton. After all, he may be next in line for the throne. So is their love the real thing or destined for demise? Let’s compare their charts to find out. (thanks to Rman for the link)
sojourner and lisa and ginger: thanks very much for your kind words! And sojourner, thanks for the...
September 19th, 2008 16:47
For those who still bother to read the DM:
http://tinyurl.com/4ee386
“One thing is clear – Prince William’s decision to spend the next five years as a full-time RAF helicopter search and rescue pilot means that he and Kate Middleton will either marry soon, or not marry at all.
Incredibly, even those who are whisper-close to the future king were admitting this week they have ‘no idea which way it will go’.
One confessed that William’s future with Kate is ‘one topic he never discusses’.”
If William never discusses his furture with Kate, I wonder where the “royal sources” take their information from. But then if I started to point out everything that’s inconsistent and wrong in this article, I’d take up the whole thread…
….and the Sun selling what they read on internet sites as “news”once more.
http://tinyurl.com/44y8dj
“Take Kate Middleton. The woman who, if Prince William can stop dithering and pop the question, will more than likely be the Queen of our realm one day.
The possible future Princess of Wales was pictured yesterday flat on her back on a roller disco dancefloor with legs akimbo and dressed like one of the Village People.
Yes, I know it was for charity, but Kate shouldn’t have allowed herself to end up in such an undignified pose. She could easily have organised the event, the Day-Glo Midnight Roller Disco, wearing a chic little cocktail dress — the amount of money raised, for some genuinely good causes, would have been unaffected.
She must have realised that her odd outfit of hotpants and leg warmers, coupled with her lack of skill on roller skates, would end in tears.”
I didn’t see her cry – did anyone else? And sorry but a cocktail dress at a roller disco????
September 19th, 2008 17:12
Everyone, the problem is that if this engagement is prolonged till 2010, there won’t be anything left of Kate as far as her reputation is concerned. I am not surprised by the DM, but the Sun did. Why does William not come to her defense? Kate needs a job, she works for her parents…not good enough. I guess her parents need to film her while working? Kate should do charity, does Disco…clothing inappropriate. Nothing is going to help Kate at this point unless she leaves the UK. No real business wants to deal with the baggage of hiring a royal girlfriend. Even when she is out of site, she still gets bad press. Why should Kate continue to live a “future royal bride life” when William can’t even commit to her after 5yrs? I don’t think they are engaged or close to it because no loving boyfriend would be able to deal w/ horrible things being said about their girlfriend.
September 20th, 2008 07:11
More on Kate from the DM. Do they actually have another topic right now or do they simply fill their papers with garbage about Kate?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1058562/Be-afraid-Labours-zombies-back.html
“Lying flat on her back, her legs akimbo as she scrabbled to get back on her feet in that ridiculous ‘roller-disco’ outfit, Kate Middleton made a most undignified spectacle.
This was hardly the image of a woman who might one day be our Queen Catherine.
But why was she ever taking part in such a silly spectacle in the first place? Surely William should have thrown a protective arm around his long-term girlfriend and helped steer her away from such silly behaviour. ”
I’ll spare you the rest, it goes on to compare William unfavourably to Charles and his relationship to Camilla. :rolleyes:
September 20th, 2008 07:44
i read at the Sun newspaper yesterday, that Wills want to learn of chooper flying before to get married until 2 years, oh wills thank you so much!!! Muah…Muah…i’m glad you’re not quick for get married with Catherine!! oh yes…yes..yes..he..he..up’s sorry Catherine! but i guess all of girls at Britain glad too
September 20th, 2008 08:05
i have been interesed to read the colorful stories of your pesky love story and seen oh so many excuses for the way the guy is abusing his girlfrien. no one says that lots of us have friends tyey love who are not same sexr but who never marry or dont until they become older.
reasons are many and i have read most but pehaps the one you guys miss in this colorful story of a labor shy girl and a promoninant guy who wont marry her mayby the simplest but most misunderstood reason.perhaps because its delicate and private i dont know but seem to recal stories with this family over the years and perhaps that is the reason.
it may not be up for discussion but may just need thinking about.
September 20th, 2008 10:48
You know Kate knows she did very well at the event and she got lots of praise for it. I just know this girl keeps herself focused on doing more charity work and let the public get know her better. You can’t pay any attention to the garbage the THE DAILY MAIL writes. She did a excellent job at THE ROLLER DISCO and that is the end of that.
September 20th, 2008 14:10
Here is an interesting site about William and Kate.
http://tiny.cc/pH4gA
September 20th, 2008 14:41
That is an interesting story. I think people get that it may be sometime before that all happens and there’s no doubt that it will. But something more official need to take place so the media can know that Kate will be officially part of his family and not just sitting and waiting. The media is getting too cruel and out of hand. So I truly think CH need to make a statement on behalf of Kate.
September 20th, 2008 14:49
If the story is true that is, I know you guys get tierd of me saying this but something is telling me differently that we will get some exciting news this year.
September 20th, 2008 15:37
Hello,
This story is the first to quote to have any sort of official credence although there may have been lots of gins and tonic floating around.
If PW’s private secretary Lowther-Pinkerton has come out and officially said that to a prominent journalist who has previously reported on PW and KM ’s relationship he must be speaking on behalf of PW or someone is telling outright lies.
If true then there is nothing more to be said and virtually CH mandarins have achieved their mandate of forcing KM out or make her look absolutely deperate with PW almost in the clear.
Going back to last year it was reported that PW was sad at the breakup and his main aim was to protect KM and not cause her any hurt.
This is the biggest public blow she can ever experience and if true PW looks like the biggest Cad and Bounder the world has recently seen.
If it isn’t true then hyphenated Pinkerton must be clearing out his desk on monday and our almighty reporter is seen as an ass. We shall have to see what transpires and make judgement accordingly.
I did hear earlier today that PW would be at the Help for Heroes rugby match as he had supported earlier events but I don’t think he was there but PC and the Countess may have been filling in for him. I think this was very strange as it was the biggest money spinner of the entire campaign raising in excess of £1.1 million.
I wonder though. Do PC’s PR people have more than lots to do with everything thats happened. Having seen the Camilla for Queen TV programme I wouldn’t be surprised.
September 20th, 2008 15:57
Of course they are writing lies, most of what has been written lately is in the tabloids, and tabloids aren’t very accurate.
September 20th, 2008 15:59
Rman,
I’ve just been catching up with comments and newspaper stories and it seems that the DM is persevering with their unkind treatment of KM.
It is almost as if they are hoping that by persistently attacking KM and her family it will provoke PW to say something.
I’m not sure how long they intend to keep this up but their comments and aspersions become more hurtful and personal, report after report.
September 20th, 2008 16:00
Of course she wouldn’t mind waiting, if she marries William, not only will she be even more famous, and a princess on top of that, she will also be wealthy.
September 20th, 2008 16:06
Ked, I am so happy you are back! Mandrake usually is pretty trusting in what he reports, although I am surprised that Pinkerton would speak so openly about William in this type of public setting. Maybe he was not aware of who he was talking to. I don’t think it sounds good either way you put it. William will come out looking like a jerk, because you know friends will leak Kate’s side of the story. Kate does not give off desperate to me. If anything I think its William who depends on her because she is mature of the two. If they were over, I would expect the press would have free reign on her once again and we would see her out.
September 20th, 2008 16:07
Sarah,
And under what circumstances would you accept the vilification that KM personally and family members have to endure day by day.
September 20th, 2008 16:09
William probably in Kenya with Jecca!
September 20th, 2008 16:14
Sarah, after what Diana went through I can’t see anything attractive about being apart of the RF. Kate could easily marry a wealthy man and not have her and her family trashed on a daily basis.
September 20th, 2008 16:38
I know what you mean Ked. I have a feeling that something is about to be said. I really don’t think Jamie L Pinkerton would say anything like that. Oh, boy we will just have to wait and see what tricks William has up his sleeve. “Silly Prince, Trix are for kids.” lol
September 20th, 2008 16:47
I dunno, I wouldn’t put anything past Kate.
September 20th, 2008 16:48
Hello,
Flash from the past.
Is it Pinkerton who has been starting the stories said to be emanating from CH ?
I did check many of these stories out and I will go back through them and see if any could possibly only come from that source.
As a matter of interest ‘Excel’s’ “what if” is a useful tool for linking many variables.
September 20th, 2008 16:51
Most of the reports I see of Pinkerton are usually on tv, aren’t they? Maybe he likes the fame.
September 20th, 2008 16:52
Rman,
It’s late , I played Rugby today and I’m tired so can’t solve your riddle.
“Trix are for kids”
Am I just thick tonight ?
Going to bed
God Bless
September 20th, 2008 16:56
Ked,
Are you British? “Trix is For Kids” is from an American tv commercial. You might be able to find it on youtube.
September 20th, 2008 17:11
“Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids.” is a cereal commercial phrase. I just added the Prince to it. lol, good night Ked, lets see what the tabs will come up with tomorrow.
September 20th, 2008 19:01
Well, what insanity I come home to! UGH. Pinkerton!??? What the heck is going on? Although I always figured Pinkerton was the one who was the “senior royal aide” in many of the quotes,I never imagined he would allow his name to be revealed.
Although I can see why for personal reasons Kate and William would want to put off marriage and wait until they are ready to have children,these events are confusing to say the least.
I am starting to feel a bit sorry for Kate not to mention looking at William in a bit of a different light.
Either way,Pinkerton should be fired. JMO.
September 20th, 2008 19:05
Lisa we are not sure that Jamie said that.
September 20th, 2008 19:10
This is a mess. The only information that should be coming from CH is in the form of an official press release or from William himself. Pinkerton should not be offering his opinions. of all people, he should know how sensitive William is about the press. Whatever Pinkerton said, it did no favors for anyone. Sad,really.
September 20th, 2008 19:24
If he did say something like that, then yes he should be fired. But I do believe he didn’t. I do feel like there’s more to this and it will be announced soon. I just can’t see William hurting her in any way and I’m sure she was well briefed by William awhile back. They seriously need to make all of this clear to the media because everybody is confused and it’s cause the tabs to come up with their own reasons why he made this choice. That’s all we are seeing at the moment, the tabs coming up with their own reasons. Only William and CH can straighten this out. They spent all this presious time together this year and made this clear to us that their relationship is at another level. There is more to come out.
September 20th, 2008 21:44
The articles coming out today are disturbing to say the least.
Members of the press seem to be portraying Kate as the Terminator of girlfriends, and seem to be implying that Kate will still be ready and waiting for William in 5 years.
William may not be that lucky.
September 20th, 2008 21:53
They’re just stating their opinions-whether they get paid for it or not, I have no clue.
September 20th, 2008 22:26
Over all of this confusion, I think Kate is about to become a RAF wife and help him with official engagements. I feel this is the big piece of the puzzle that has yet to come out. If this is what they decided to do then that is great. That will clear everything up. It’s official that the media is tierd of the games. It will go through The Queen’s council and givernment before we know anything. We will be kept in the dark until then. The RAF announcement surely did the job.
September 21st, 2008 01:03
Did u see this article:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/51757/Wheels-come-off-royal-romance/
What do you think?
September 21st, 2008 01:39
Apryl, things have to get cleared up but I think the media is just getting confused and everything is calm in the royal household and with William & Kate.
September 21st, 2008 03:46
Apryl the Daily Star story is total b/s. It says none of William’s friends attended and that’s WRONG.
Thomas van Straubenzee, Jamie Murray-Wells, Guy Pelly, Holly Branson, Princess Beatrice all attended this party. The article also claims there was a row with photographers, a claim which was neither made anywhere else nor is supported by any of the numerous pictures of the event.
So if those things are wrong already why should any of the rest be true. The telegraph is reporting the exact opposite. BRW has a link on top of the hompage. They are all just guessing – as always. The yhave no “inside sources” at all.
September 21st, 2008 04:32
I think Pinkerton’s comment in the Telegraph referred to William taking on full time royal duties NOT to him marrying. Of course William will not take on full time royal duties for some years when he’s training with the RAF and that he has a lot of time to do so. I admit it is worded strangely but the actual quotes do not mention Kate at all and can very well only relate to William’s official functions. I cannot imagine that Pinkerton would speak out on William and Kate especially not when such a statement could hurt both of them.
Everything said about William and Kate in the article from the Telegraph is attributed to a “chum” of William’s. An anonymous source as (un)reliable as every other “insider” the papers usually relie on.
September 21st, 2008 05:16
Hello,
Trixie,
In Mandrake’s column words attributed to Pinkerton were:
“He has all the time in the world” and “He is only in his 20’s there’s no rush at all” were made in articles attributed to ‘a source close to The Prince” and “friends of William ” earlier this year or late 2007. I will find the exact dates later.
Another comment ” William’s friends have always said he wouldn’t marry KM until he had to and when his Royal Duties permit” has also been said and attributed in earlier articles but I can’t remember when or where or by whom it was said. I shall eventually track that down also.
What was said may be coincidence but it may be Richard Eden making his reported conversation with Pinkerton sound more realistic. I shall be interested to hear exactly what Pinkerton’s response will be , if any is made. He should respond as its his reputation and possible job may be at stake.
Of more concern to all should be the alleged involvement of PofW who has an axe to grind following the report that 60 or 70% of UK want PW to succeed his grandmother.
PC has shown, in his handing of the hostility to Camilla, that he or his people can be quite ruthless. He knows PW + KM can still be big competition to him, (despite recent concerted attacks on them from unknown sources,) to his popularity and newly found respectability following his unfaithfulness to Diana , her eventual death and the so called ‘ indecent tape recordings’.
PW surprising announcement made apparently without knowledge of his staff,and following an alleged leak from HM asking PC to find PW a job and the report that PW was encouraged by PC need careful inspection Perhaps someone will get to the bottom of all this one day.
End result ; KM gets to suffer more indignities and reputaion destroying speculation. She really does deserve better from everyone but especially from PW.
September 21st, 2008 05:35
Trixie,
Your point on exactly what Pinkerton said may be true but in true style the reporter immediately addresses it to the big issue. PW and KM ’s relationship which now must be under extreme pressure.
Only one person can release the pressure and he seems not to have the ‘whatever’ to do so.
September 21st, 2008 06:08
My hope now is that if William and Kate end, and the general consensus seems to point to that,that they do so with dignity.
There are still many scenarios that could play out here, so I am going to sit and wait and try not to buy into what the tabloids are saying but it is hard not to draw the conclusion that if a wedding and/or public acknowlegement of this relationshipdoesn’t occur soon,that will will not occur at all.
September 21st, 2008 06:13
I don’t want to appear to be attacking Kate at the expense of PW but why does she deserve better? Why is it wrong that PW cannot have a chance to do something he loves and enjoys? There is no proposal so far and nobody is forcing Kate to stay with him.
As one article said: Kate never had a job a few years ago but everyone liked her then.
http://tinyurl.com/497xl8
Now I disagree with the whole: PW must marry Kate now for her sake. I think if he did that it would only end in disaster. Getting married to protect a persons’ reputation is hardly the best start for a marriage. Or maybe I am just naive and believe that the best time to get married is when both people are in love and want to. You may call me old fashioned but if that is not the case and one person is having doubts it is not right for them to marry. Marriage is not to be taken lightly, so why are we insisting that we should get married?
We have to remember that they are both young; they are only 26. I’m not sure what the average age for men and women to marry is but I know it is older than that (29 for women and 34 for men possibly???)
If William does the search and rescue, it gets it out of his system. It will give him a chance to do what he has wanted and work with planes (remember the Diana concert interview, he said that he always wanted the chance to work with planes). Why should he have to look back on his life and regret something just because a couple of journalists decided that they would rather see him marry a woman when he is not ready to.
Lisa: I think that is the best, most sensible post I have read for a very very long time. I will also follow your advice now.
I say let them marry when and if they want to.
September 21st, 2008 06:34
B,it would not totally surprise me if *neither* Kate or William want to get married until a) he begins being a fulltime royal or b) they are ready to have children.
Kate seems to be a very independent person and a very free one who has yet learned how to be “fake” as we saw demonstrated at the roller disco.
Look at her life once they marry. 800 million people watching her wedding. The constant presence of royal protection officers. More intense media scrutiny and add to all of this the dreaded “bump watch”. That alone would be enough to make the most sturdy woman run for the hills!
Sorry to say,but as things stand now,with the exception of the ever present media hoard and the nasty tabloid articles,Kate has her cake and is eating it too.
Life changes alot after they say “I do”.
September 21st, 2008 06:37
I have to agree, B. To me all of this looks like a huge blackmail plot by the press. Ridicule Kate, question William’s love and dedication to her and thereby force him to make some sort of statement about their relationship.
I am happy that I am not one of them. I would hate to be either made out a cad and comittment-phobe (sort of funny for someone in a 5 year long relationship) or a stupid, damsel in distress who allows a guy to play games with her. :rolleyes:
I really hope William and Kate do what they always have and just continue their lives without giving a *** to what the press writes. They shall marry when they want to and feel ready for it and if it is not to each other than that should be fine also. If I was William I’d be so jealous of my little brother who can date his g/f for 4 years without ever being asked when he intents to marry and who can have a career in the military at the same time including deployments to Afghanistan and Canada without anyone ever asking the stupid questions whether he only does so to “bolt” from his g/f.
Seriously the press would probably like to hand-pick William’s bride for him, arrange the wedding, the number of children, the war of roses and the divorce to allow the maximum sale of papers. What everyone seems to forget is that it is HIS LIFE. HE is the one who’ll have to live a perfect marriage in a royal fish bowl and hence HE should be the one deciding whom he wants to do so with. I personally have the feeling that that will be Kate but it is William’s decision and his alone.
I also do not get why everyone blames Kate’s bad press on William. She may have her reasons why she works for her parents and doesn’t have a job elsewhere or why she didn’t get one straight out of university but I do not buy the argument for a second that it is so because William or CH told her so. I doubt they would have wanted the current PR desaster for her that is also affecting William. Part of me believes if Kate was successfully established in a career there wouldn’t be half so much pressure on William to marry her and he wouldn’t be called a CAD for not committing. To bad for him he didn’t pick your model career woman but a more family oriented person. Now he’s being dragged through the mud for it. I cannot understand why everyone constantly blames William for what is – according to them – going “wrong” in Kate’s life. Is it so hard to believe that she may simply be happy being at home working for mom and dad? Why should that be a bad situation to be in? She certainly doesn’t look unhappy in her life to me and if she was, she would be free to leave any second – a road that wouldn’t be open the moment anymore she said “Yes, I do.” in church.
September 21st, 2008 06:40
September 21st, 2008 06:53
Hello B and lisa,
Most people including myself will agree with what you say up to a point given the respective positions in society of the concerned couple.
However there is a lot more at stake here than just a young love story and a nations expectations.
We have a guy, a Prince who plucks an English Rose and woos and wins her. She in return loves him , respects his position and gives unbounded loyalty to him ,his family and his future subjects. She has never said one word to criticise or disrespect despite utmost and I mean utmost provocation from all sources, including we believe members of his family.
He ingratiates himself with her family, joins them at their home and it appears invites himself on their family holiday as he has no family to enjoy.
He leads his friend ( hate not to say girlfriend) ,her family and most of his future subjects to believe he loves and respects her, even to the point of increasing his own popularity on their togetherness.
He fail to acknowledge her formally but increases speculation by including her in Royal and semi Royal events until unknown sources start a war, yes a war, against her and more distastefully, against her family who both accepted and respected his position.
He does not do anything to protect them.
Whatever happens , we his subjects now know how we may expect to be treated when and if he succeeds to his throne.
If he can’t respect and protect those he professes to love and care for in a failry basic situation what may us, his subjects expect when we may need his help and succour.
Did his grandmother HM the Queen, her sister or her parents King George and Queen Elizabeth betray or abandon our grandparents and parents in 1939 and leave the Uk and go to Canada ? They did not , they stayed and took as much of the danger as their subject did especially in London and provided leadership together with her ministers.
By the way our future Monarch (but one) has betrayed and abandoned someone he considered his lover and her people what can we, the youth and his future subjects expect.
Not our respect unless he acts as a Royal Prince and stands up for right .
He doesnt have to get engaged or married or even carry on this toxic love affair with KM, he just need to show that he can and support people who need his support and not run away and hide under the pretext of protocol. Protocol didn’t help the citizens of London through air raids of the 1940’s a Royal presece helped and supported them.
God help us the subjects of a thoughtless sovereign but also help PW to at least respect himself
September 21st, 2008 06:58
trixie,I would have an easier time swallowing this concept that William is ‘bolting” from Kate if it was not for the fact that he recently vacationed with her and because of the stolen pictures, we know they were affectionate with each other, and the wedding two weeks ago that they attended,allowing themselves to be photographed at close range.
The conclusion I draw from this is that if she knew about the RAF gig,then she is fine with it. If she didn’t and William sprang it on her last minute,then he is wrong and not the person I thought he was. I really hope that is not the case.
My hope is that all this bad press with prompt some sort of clarification one way or another in the coming week.
September 21st, 2008 07:08
But there is nothing he can do to protect them. Let’s not exagerate the only problem for them is a few negative articles. If Kate was a member of the RF, she would just have to put up with it. PW and PH have received a lot of negative press in the past and PW especially at the moment, but it is royal protocol not to retaliate, which is why there is never a comment from them (or rarely is). Why should this rule be broken for Kate? Let’s be honest, she isn’t even a member of the RF yet. Any intervention on the part of CH would just increase specualtion. The articles are just the opinion of the journalist. We have the freedom of speech in the UK and people are allowed to say what they believe in (provided it is not illegal). We have had plenty of positive articles about Kate in the past. CH cannot dictate what people write about.
Trixie
September 21st, 2008 06:37
“I also do not get why everyone blames Kate’s bad press on William. She may have her reasons why she works for her parents and doesn’t have a job elsewhere or why she didn’t get one straight out of university but I do not buy the argument for a second that it is so because William or CH told her so. I doubt they would have wanted the current PR desaster for her that is also affecting William. Part of me believes if Kate was successfully established in a career there wouldn’t be half so much pressure on William to marry her and he wouldn’t be called a CAD for not committing. To bad for him he didn’t pick your model career woman but a more family oriented person. Now he’s being dragged through the mud for it. I cannot understand why everyone constantly blames William for what is – according to them – going “wrong” in Kate’s life.”
Excellent post Trixie!
Lisa: I don’t think that they were that affectionate in the wedding photos and they allowed themselves to be photographed together before but then broke up (Cheltenham 2007). If I were you I wouldn’t try to read too much into they going to the wedding. They were both friends with the bride’s sister, not just William.
BTW:was Olivia Hunt an ex girlfriend???
September 21st, 2008 07:10
P.S. there is a big difference between WW2 and PW’s girlfriend. At the end of the day, whether he breaks up with her or not, it will make very little difference to the general public (only to use royal gossipers – is that a word?)
September 21st, 2008 07:17
ked,I am not ready to think the worst of William just yet as,IMO, we only have tabloid articles, the opinions of bloggers and a few stray quotes from Pinkerton.
B,true that they were not affectionate at the wedding but they did allow close range photographs to be taken and Kate was in the company of a protection officer. Neither of those points should be ignored. And the pictures from Mustique that were viewed by the guy from the Sun were described as them kissing and cuddleing…doesn’t sound like a guy about to “bolt” to me.
September 21st, 2008 07:37
All of the speculation means nothing. All of this armchair psychology and latent bashing of Kate and celebration of this latest turn of events under the cloak of trying to look at this reasonably doesn’t fool me either.
Point is, they are still together, I’m sure they came to this decision about William’s professional career together, and they will marry when they are ready. I’ve always suspected, and in fact I read many many years ago, that Kate especially did not want to marry William sooner because she knew the pressure would be on for them to have children immediately. She is a smart girl who is the one I believe who enjoys her freedom. Good for her.
Lastly, I don’t trust any quotes or news that comes from royal sources or Clarence House, especially, whose mission is to keep the public guessing and deflect any attention away from their publicity shy future star. They lied about Princess Anne’s engagement, denying it until it was announced. I’ll never believe quotes coming from that camp until I read it in the circular. And everyone else would be wise to do the same.
September 21st, 2008 07:49
Ked, great post. Did you play rugby at the charity match?
This is how I see it. William looks like he is shucking his royal responsibilities and Charles is happy because the focus is on him and Camilla.
September 21st, 2008 09:33
Please, please don’t blame this on Prince Charles. Don’t make him the scapegoat for his son’s cowardice and deficiencies. Charles has made plenty of his own mistakes over the years and he’s still paying the price for them with the British public and the press. It is unfair to add PW’s bad decisions onto his plate.
September 21st, 2008 09:54
You guys this is not about Charles wanting the attention on him and Camilla or William has cold feet. William & Kate love each other and I wish those photos of them in the caribbean would have come out so the media and people could see how much in love they are. Kate knew all about the RAF choice and she seem fine with it. He got a very understanding woman by his side. I still think there’s more tricks to come out. I don’t know why people are always thinking the worst about this relationship. One minute you see them being happy and a little announcement comes out and people start to think the world is coming to an end. The only reason why people are not on Harry & Chelsy is because Chelsy is still in school. Harry is away all the time and no one brings up his relationship. Because people don’t know what’s going on, they are starting to come up with their own reasons there’s no engagement yet. I truly believe these two have a plan and it will work for them, not the media and public. Kate is going to Charles’s birthday party and maybe to the concert if there’s one. She is being invited to Buckingham Palace and not just any girlfriend get’s a invite. This should tell us something. All the crap about their relationship shakey and it won’t make is nothing but crap. I do wish that they will appear together soon so it could kill some of the rumors they really need to do that. But Kate face told us something. She is in a happy time in her life and she just spent a wonderful summer with the man she loves. And don’t forget he spent some time with her family as well. This is one great site but don’t get involved in the confusion. I know it’s hard but throwing in the towel on the these two will be a dumb move. Believe me when I say that there’s more to come. Ked, you have always said for us to be patient, we all need to do that now. Long Live William & Catherine.
September 21st, 2008 09:57
No Charles is not the blame for anything. We clearly see that he fully supports William and Kate. The man is including her in his birthday celebrations. He see how in love William is.
September 21st, 2008 10:06
Have you guys noticed that no royal correspondent have said anything yet? It’s like they are keeping their mouths shut and know something we don’t know. I’m waiting to hear from Jennie Bond, Judy Wade, Nicholas Witchell and James Whitaker. These people have so much experience in the royal worl and they know that Kate is very special. They know he has found something that he will hold on to. I just feel they know something we don’t know.
September 21st, 2008 10:40
Hi All,
I have read most of the posts regarding this new suposedly sage regarding Kate having to wait because of William’s new career, etc, etc….all interesting posts and opinions.
I have two questions to ask, and to some of you, this might sound silly:
Are all the men in the RAF (most are men) single? And those that join the RAF as single, do they have to wait until they leave the RAF to get married?
September 21st, 2008 10:52
Hi Rman and all,
After thinking this over a bit the only thing, to my mind, that seems “out of whack” or that has not pointed to Kate and William being in love and going strong is William’s surprise RAF decision. Nothing else seems to indicate that they are NOT in love, as in fact it rather seems that they are.
The recent wedding in Salzburg, the Mustique photos, word that Kate’s been invited to Charles’ 60th, all point to a loved up and very much together couple.
My theory is now this: Kate and William are indeed happy with how things are, and that each are content to pursue their careers whilst putting off marriage until they really must.
If William is going to be far away in Scotland or North Wales, then it is a wonderful thing that Kate has a reliable car and plenty of flex time w/ her job, as this will enable Kate to go to William, if William can’t always go to Kate.
Although I am disappointed that it is looking more and more like a summer 2011/2013 wedding (I’m thinking 2012 is out because of the London Olympics) I will continue to be patient and hope for the best.
September 21st, 2008 10:54
BRW, it did it again and I am having problems registering.
Thanks,
Alsgal
September 21st, 2008 11:07
No Carla, they don’t have to wait. That is what I’m saying, there’s a trick to this and William will not leave her out in the cold. He will not do her wrong and that is a fact not a opinion. We are just trying to figure out where they are going from here but they already know. They will lets us in on it when they are ready. He has a kind heart and you can tell that’s why she loves him.
September 21st, 2008 11:41
I admire your faith Rman, but I have seen no signs that they want to get married.
There are many indications of a serious relationship, but they have been dating for a long time so there are no prizes for working that out!
No we have not heard that they will not marry by an serious royal correspondents but we have not heard that they will either, so that arguement can be used either way.
The problem is Rman is that we have to rely on the reports we are given and try to sort out the rubbish from the reliable (a tricky thing sometimes). The pictures I see suggests a couple who have been dating a long time and are comfortable with each other. I haven’t seen any real affection between them, not in the Mustique photos nor the wedding. I know that the Sun said there were photos of PW and KM kissing but those photos were on Pippa’s camera. How many people like to take photos of their big sister making out with her boyfriend? I can’t see PW allowing her to either actually. If he is shy and that is why he does not show Kate affection in private why would he allow Kate’s little sister photograph him like that?
If a positive article came out saying that Kate and William were happy and may be getting engaged, would you criticize or analyse it as much as the negative articles? Or would you accept it and say that it is true? What I am getting at is that just because the article suggests that they will not get married soon, it does not mean that it is unreliable. Likewise, the positive articles are not always reliable. We have far less positive articles than negative ones, so if we are to make a conclusion we have to rely on the majority until a solid and unreputable source comes out and says otherwise.
September 21st, 2008 11:42
P.S. I’ve just re read it as I posted it and I rambled, so aplogies for that. Hope you understand it still.
Thanks
September 21st, 2008 11:43
I am thinking more and more this is looking like a brilliant move on William’s part to take the heat of of the wedding pressure and to allow Kate the opportunity to pursue a much desired career.
Everyone can think they’re “over” and that will free Kate to make her mark as an independent woman over the next few years while William pursues what he loves as well.
Some have speculated that William grew skeptical of the Middleton’s after Pippa lost her camera which contained very private photos from a few months earlier of PW and Kate together.
I think that is both foolish and ridiculous to assume that, as Pippa would not/could not plan to have had her camera stolen. Yes, I know it might look a bit funny to some that she had not uploaded and deleted those photos, but sometimes we all get a bit forgetful and aren’t as “on top of things” as might be prudent.
Alsgal’s forecast: still together, will see them out clubbing in the next two or three weeks, and Kate doing more charitable work.
September 21st, 2008 11:48
B, you do make an interesting point as to why on Earth would Pippa have rather intimate pictures of her sister w/ PW on her own camera and all I can assume is that the photos were not as intimate as Duncan Larcombe was implying, and that they were rather more harmless (hugging, etc.)
If Pippa did have intimate photos it would be rather icky IMO, so that to me just does not make sense.
September 21st, 2008 11:49
Oh I don’t think that they have broken up and I don’t think they will at least not for a while. I just do not believe that a wedding is as soon as some people think. ked and I have been saying it for months that a wedding would not take place until at least 2010.
Neither do I think Pippa planned to have her camera stolen. I just think its strange that a person would take photos of their big sister kissing their boyfriend. I can’t see William being comfortable with it, I know I would not be and I don’t mind PDA (within reason of course). That’s why I do not think the stolen photos showed as much affection as the paper said.
September 21st, 2008 11:51
Hear hear, I raise your clubbing outing and predict that we will see William and Kate together at Charles’ birthday party and that the engagement speculation will be back on as if nothing had happened. All the “experts” will forget about what they wrote this weekend and claim the exact opposite. Actually an announcement some time in October would be great! I’d so LOVE to see the face of Richard Kay, Katie Nicholls and all the others who’ve been bashing Kate mercilessly when they learn that they’ve been writing all of this about their future Queen. They’ll have a hard time trying to backpaddle and get in her favour….
September 21st, 2008 11:52
Sorry to double post.
With all the negative press Kate and William would be some of the most foolish people in the world if they went clubbing in the next couple of weeks. We all know the old proverb, when in a hole stop digging!
If Kate does do more charity work (which I hope she does), she will have to be a lot more careful. The disco has caused her to have more negative press and made her look very undignified. Some thing more like that book launch or the photography thing would more appropriate.
September 21st, 2008 11:54
Whoops! I made a right pigs ear of those posts. All my points are okay but Trixie posted between mine so I didn’t double post and I was writing my post whilst alsgal wrote hers so I didn’t see it until I press enter.
Sorry for the confusion.
September 21st, 2008 11:57
But why follow the tabloids at all if they’re all just guessing?
September 21st, 2008 11:58
Because it’s FUN!
September 21st, 2008 12:13
Yep!
And it gives us a chance to have beautifully constructed debates…Lol.
September 21st, 2008 12:15
B, there is alot of speculation out there and what we have read so far since he announced that he was extending his training is just speculation nothing is fact and we just have to wait and see what the plan is. You are right we need to see her doing more charity work and getting herself out there as the longtime companion of the future King. Like I siad before all is well with William & Kate is just the media is trying to get something out of them. Ked and I agree on that. That’s why I’m waiting to see what the Royal Corresepondents will say and report. B, I’m telling you all of this will come together and Kate don’t seem to be worried at all. She walks with so much confidence and grace knowning she got this in the bag. We will see more of her at royal events to come and that’s just the way it is. The royals have welcomed her wonderfully. But all those stories out there is just speculation and William & Kate is not giving in to any of it. It’s driving the press mad. Read http://willskateupdate.blogspot.com/
September 21st, 2008 12:20
I hope so Rman, and I am sure that they will marry some day but I do wonder….
It is only speculation that they will marry just as it is that they do not. I do not doubt the love that they feel for each other, neither do I doubt Kate’s committment but I do wonder about William.
I see Kate act the way she always has and to be honest, what other way could she act?
Why the willskateupdate?
September 21st, 2008 12:24
Apryl, that’s all they doing is guessing but they need to undertstand you can speculate but you don’t have to hurt people in the process. William & Kate don’t deserve that kind of treatment. I think Henry VIII would have had a lot of people heads if this was happening to him.
September 21st, 2008 12:26
Just read the blog which you provided the link for Rman.
Interesting read, thanks, did you write it?
Only problem is that it is just someone else’s opinion, there are no solid facts although it is a very well constructed arguement.
I think too much was read into the royal events over the spring and summer. She has bound to attend the wedding because she is a girlfriend of PW and a friend of the bride. The Order of the Garter is similar to the Passing out IMO. A sign of a relationship and love but not necessarily leading to marriage.
IMO, I think it has become risky to say whether they will or not. All I can say is that I hope that they are both happy whatever the oucome is, because if they are both happy, that is the best solution.
September 21st, 2008 12:35
Willskateupdate has a new artical that I think is a nice read. There are times Kate can look like she is not amused and there are times she can look like she is totally happy and everything is fine. The other night she and their friends made it known that things are going great and they was there to help raise money for a good cause and they had lots of fun doing it. We just need to see more of her doing more charity work and it would be great to have William help her out in the beginning so she won’t feel like she is totally alone. She can do like Camilla did, become patron or president of a charity so she can get that experience under her belt. She just got to get out there and do it. I know many organizations would love to have her aboard.
September 21st, 2008 12:38
I want to see doing more charity work as well, but she would have to be careful because too much or the wrong type of thing could lead to speculation havoc! I think she should do some but with a group of people and then do independent stuff when they are engaged. After all there is no point giving the press more ammunition if they are not getting married for a year or two.
September 21st, 2008 12:42
No I did not write it but it’s a interesting read. No The Order of The Garter is not like a passing out by the most important event on the royal calender. Not everyone can go but you can purchase tickets for a seat outside. Kate sat next to Harry for the event and stood with the senior members of the royal family outside the chapel. That was a personal recognition from The Queen. She also attended the lunch and reception.
September 21st, 2008 12:45
Oh yeah, I just noticed it’s by an Ella Kay…sorry Rman. *blush*
September 21st, 2008 12:46
I agree B, and I’m sure she will choose the charities carefully. William & Harry can help her in that department. They are very good in choosing meaningful charities.
September 21st, 2008 12:53
I raise my glass to Ella Kay! That article makes so much sense. Forget the tabloids,stick to the facts and what you see with you own eyes.
September 21st, 2008 13:09
But, the more you read the tabloids, they’ll just put out more and more stuff that’s bound to annoy William; does he think it’s fun?
September 21st, 2008 13:15
The problem is lisa that so many people see the facts in different ways. people interpret pictures and movements in different ways as well. I know that I see some events and pictures in a different way to others.
All the ideas are valid as long as people can back them up. Journalists just tend to write the most dramatic view but I think that they have some evidence (usually).
September 21st, 2008 13:20
B,the folks writing for the tabloids are not journalists. Katie Nicholl is not a journalist. She is a gossip columnist. Nothing more.
September 21st, 2008 13:35
B,
I agree with you about the disco event causing more harm to Kate than good. It’s great that they raised money for a worthy cause but it did seem undignified. Sort of like that show Edward and Fergie put on years ago. And I noticed a few things that have me more convinced there won’t be a wedding between those two. First it is pretty obvious neither CH or William’s advisers helped her with this event. If they were engaged or about to be wouldn’t they be involved in some way to help guide her? Maybe even suggest a more appropriate thing for her to do for her first big charity fundraiser. Also besides Beatrice there weren’t any other royals there & a lot of William’s were a no show. I know Pelly and those guys showed up but they were around when William broke up with her last year.
September 21st, 2008 13:39
^^ That should be many of William’s friends weren’t there. Yes, Pelly and Murray Wells came but this same group seem to be Kate’s friends too because even when W&K weren’t together they were seen with her.
September 21st, 2008 13:41
The roller disco was the perfect example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. The event was essentially open to the public and Kate should have known it would be crawling with people like Katie Nicholl and other types who do not have her best interest at heart. Lending her name and support to that event was one thing, but attending it was another. B is correct, there is no way she had any help from CH because if she did,she, like William would have stayed home.
September 21st, 2008 14:10
This is depressing. I had such high hopes for William. I’m not giving up completely. Maybe Rman is right & things will look better a few weeks from now. But how he has handled this entire situation doesn’t speak very well of his abilities to be POW or King. I continue to be amazed by how well HM has handled herself for over 50yrs. Sure, she has made some mistakes but she immediately corrects the problem. And the Queen has always shown such class and dignity even under difficult circumstances. Why can’t her relatives be more like her?
September 21st, 2008 14:16
You know the more number of people who are against you, the more you know God is working everything out for you. Things may look crazy, people are talking about you like a dog and spread rumors about you but as long as you got God on your side, things will get better. I said that because the press is treating her very wrong and painting a ugly picture of Kate’s personality. After all of this, she still manage to walk with her head up high at William’s side. Boy I tell you can’t find too many people like that. What garbage Katie Nicholls is saying now? Something has got to give, here. William really need to set this stuff straight because the media is getting ugly by the day and the only thing any of us can do is pray for William & Kate. They are being treated unfairly just because there is no announcement yet.
September 21st, 2008 14:17
I don’t blame Charles for William decisions, but I don’t put it past Charles PR to want to make sure that Charles is the focus so that there will be no negativity when the time comes for him to be King.
September 21st, 2008 14:18
nikki,times are different now. It is much more difficult for the younger ones coming up. They have no privacy between the parasidic paparazzi and the internet,they can’t catch a break. You can bet there was scandal in HM’s day. The difference was,you did not know about it. Nowadays, we know when they burp. Look at all this going on now with the tabloids. It’s really disgusting if you think about it.
September 21st, 2008 14:19
Nikki, I think we need to take whatever Kate is taking so we can get through this too. I’m speechless on how Kate handles this.
September 21st, 2008 14:30
You start to think how Crown Prince Frederik and other current future kings has found their future Queens, married them and continue to work that magic in their countries but when it comes down to these two, it’s difficult. I believe that William will make this woman his wife but we just to continue being patient and hope for the best next year.
September 21st, 2008 14:36
I think if you were Danish and read all the gossip about Frederik and Mary you wouldn’t have such a rosy idea of them either. The distance makes things look better… they have their share of gossip about Frederik and his ex-grilfriend, his antics in Beijing during the Olympics where he acted like a playboy while his wife was in Australia, Mary’s extravaganca, her PR stunts etc.
None of the recent heirs was in a similar situation with their g/f.They all met far alter in life at a stage when they were “ready” for marriage because their King “training” was completed. And don’t forget, no other country compares to the UK when it comes to the press either. The British press is infamous for its ruthlessness and the amount of garbage they write (that tabloids of course not the reputable papers).
September 21st, 2008 14:41
William’s recent actions have been highly unorthodox as of late. Wonder why.
September 21st, 2008 14:45
Well there is more pictures of the Austria wedding on W&HU. That is a very beautiful royal couple and it just tells us that everything is okay. This is not a rocky, shakey relationship that is being painted. I just want to get that fact straight.
September 21st, 2008 14:45
NOTW has an opinion piece on Kate basically saying that she should see the writing on the wall so to speak. Sorry I didn’t catch the name of who wrote it, but it also makes William look bad for not being able to take on royal duties and being honest with Kate. I do agree, that Kate was not helped any by William team of PR when she planned the Disco, although a good amount of money was raised. I do think something is up, but I am not as positive as Rman. I think Kate should think about hiring her own PR team, to help her with the negative press she is getting.
September 21st, 2008 14:54
Who says WIlliam and his people didn’t offer their advice? But who could have foreseen that the press would take a picture of Kate falling while roller skating as an excuse for a string of negative articles? I don’t think it was a PR mistake at all. Seriously! It was a great idea, a great evening and much money raised for charity. Not bad at all. Why should anyone have expected it to take this turn? The first articles were very complimentary and positive. It took them almost a week to turn their view around 180° and make this whole event out to be something bad.
William and his advisors are not visionaries after all. And I see no reason why they should have discouraged Kate from participating in this when noone oculd really have thought the press owuld write it up like that.
September 21st, 2008 15:03
But, who calls the press every time they go out?
September 21st, 2008 15:04
Excellent point Trixie. I think she will be careful next time but that event was a success. So if you see the extra pictures of the wedding on W&HU you can see that Kate had a Personal Protection Officer with her the whole time, interesting.
September 21st, 2008 15:23
rman,the event may have been a success for the cause but it was a disaster for Kate. Whatever possessed her to attend an event that was open to the public like that is beyond me. If you recall,I was skeptical of her attendence before the event given the low cost of the tickets and no VIP area. I am sure the place was swarming with tabloid types sniffing around for a nice juicy story. It was poor judgement at best. She left herself completely vulnerable and the sharks attacked.
September 21st, 2008 15:25
I think she likes the attention. Fame and all that.
September 21st, 2008 15:31
I thought Kate looked fine for Disco, but I can also see why some people felt she should not have chosen that theme for her first charity event. I can’t say what the better choice would have been, but the press is having a field day with this. No, I don’t think CH would have approved of her attire if they were envolved. But then again Harry wore a Nazi outfit to William b-day, so who knows what they think? All I am saying is Kate is in a tough spot right now and I don’t know how she copes.
September 21st, 2008 15:33
Good Lord,I cannot imagine what it is like to walk in Kate’s shoes. She must be quite a strong young lady. A trait surely needed to be the wife of a future Monarch.
September 21st, 2008 15:48
So true lisa but I’m sure the next event she will attend, she will knock everybody socks off. I’m sure she looks back on that night and say “maybe I shouldn’t have worn that” but Kate has a great sense of style so I’m sure her dress at the Buckingham Palace bash will be a killer. I just like seeing her legs and I love a elegant woman. Boy how lucky that boy is!!! I don’t think she likes att the attention and fame but the camera loves her and she takes all of this in her stride. I think William loves showing her off.
September 21st, 2008 15:49
I do mean “all of the attention” not “att the attention.”
September 21st, 2008 15:56
rman,I don’t think her choice of dress was/is the issue. She dressed for the event. It is the fact that she appeared at a public event with no control of who showed up and with what motivation. It is great to remain true to yourself but when you the longtime partner of the second in line to the British Throne,I think you have to be very aware at all time who’s company you are in. Hopefully she learned a lesson from this most difficult event.
September 21st, 2008 16:06
Lisa I think she has learned a lesson from all of this. These two will show up somewhere and all of this crazy speculation will die down. I have no doubt they are reading was going on and is trying to figure out what to do about.
September 21st, 2008 16:09
I honestly think that if even if Kate had been working as a nurse or schoolteacher for the last three years (with thousands of pictures coming and going as proof) and had been doing lots of these events that people might not have been so ready to pounce on her.
Let’s face it, after all of the negative press, even if Kate had shown up in a nun’s habit at a Lovelies for Leprosy Fundraiser people would have complained and said she was inauthentic.
It’s not Kate’s fault, but there is a reason even well-loved public figures like the Queen and Paul McCartney have PR advisors.
Poor Kate has been going this road alone and it seems even her best intentions have backfired.
It doesn’t change the good she and her group accomplished, and even if they fell short of their goal to raise 100,000. pounds, there are still 27,000 little reasons for them to feel proud.;)
September 21st, 2008 17:01
Well I think William is going to have to take a lesson from his father. Charles Paid for Camilla’s clothes, advisors, protection officers and due to that way before they became engaged, Camilla was able to carry out her presidency of the National Osteoporosis Society and patronage of other organizations smoothly. The same thing is going to have to be applied to Kate. She’s going to need some backup so she can do these things smoothly. This what everyone know that Kate needs. Even though the Roller Disco was a great event a PR system would have made it better. Isn’t next month that William new team will take effect? If so they need to work hard while William is but with work so they help Kate out and believe me when I tell you, you will see better press coverage for Kate. She just need PR backup.
September 21st, 2008 17:12
If all is well,I think you are right and we will see them pop up somewhere rather soon to squash these press reports. As far as PR for Kate goes, it can only get better.
September 21st, 2008 17:33
Lets hope so lisa because all of the press speculation is causing too much stress and lost of hope. The press is blowing this all out of proportion and it’s affecting all of the William & Kate supporters.
September 21st, 2008 17:37
The problem is, is that she is not allowed to say what she has or has not been doing. Was there not a piece out not long ago that said Kate consults CH on what they think is best for her to do event wise? So she’s in a tough spot cause they don’t want her to talk to the press, I assume, so therefore we don’t know what she does on her own time and when she does do something publicly it comes across as not sincere to the media. Then they call her attention seeking because she smiles for photos. I think it is much better to smile, then to not like Chelsy usually does. If they are planning on a royal life smiling through the tears is part of it.
September 21st, 2008 18:03
I’m so glad you said that Gracie. It’s just the truth. They need to allow her to speak out. Public speaking is the way the public will get to know her. I’m sure she has a mouth full of things to say but nothing is happening. On ITN Source there’s a video of the events of Prince Edwards life and when he and Sophie announced their engagement and did a press conference, she let it be known that they never lived together and she wasn’t frightened of his family. I mean she was setting things straight. Kate has not uttered a word and we don’t even know what her voice sounds like. I’m starting to think she is mute, lol. We just need to hear from her. William has fallen in love with so let us get a chance to do so. The late Carol Barnes got some words out of Diana before her marriage, how come no one is doing this to Kate? Perhaps she can give a little speech about The Ward and that could get them to their goal. Her voice need to be heard, is that too much to ask? What do you guys think?
September 21st, 2008 18:08
Hello,
Perhaps PW has been confined to barracks.
He missed yesterdays Rugby match for his charity.
He missed the RAF flypast at Westminster Abbey
today.
And its said he missed what must have been an important meeting near the Embankment this morning.
Anyone hear anything?
September 21st, 2008 18:13
I think a great deal of the problems come from Kate’s “dignified silence”. Some of the issues with the press is probably because they get nothing from her in all these years.
September 21st, 2008 18:44
No Ked, William has been missing in action for awhile. The last anybody has seen him is when he and kate was at the wedding. A public appearence of him and Kate would be wonderful.
September 21st, 2008 18:45
Again I agree lisa. What do you think Ked?
September 21st, 2008 18:57
Glad some of you enjoyed the opinion piece I posted today! I’m happy to hear I’m not the only one who refuses to get too nervous about all the media circus this weekend.
September 21st, 2008 18:59
Ked,
Sun magazine is reporting that Prince William was there at the Rugby match. However, there were no pics.
September 21st, 2008 19:14
Ked, Sun does mention that William was there at Rugby match. Why no photos? Weird. I don’t think he was there.
September 21st, 2008 20:05
Ella Kay your piece was very sensible and broke things down quite well. Things sure have been a rollercoaster ride since they announced William’s RAF plans. I think there is more to come too. I only hope it is good news.
September 22nd, 2008 02:46
hello all,
no one answered carla’s question.
what is the marital status of most of the raf men?
the blog mentioned how prince phillip married queen elizabeth while he was still in the raf, but that was then
what’s the norm now?
if most are single, then that is very telling
this recent roller ball charity event seems a bit similar to that book signing/art event kate hosted back last year….the one where pw showed up at the last minute looking cold and detached….only this time he didn’t show up at all
the situation is very perplexing
rambling on, i will say this:
here in the u.s., there are young women from good, stable families who experience long term relationships that don’t terminate in marriage…they then go on to meet and marry someone else…
on the other hand, there are some parents who would have intervened before now, to insist their daughter not demean herself by remaining in a limbo state for so many years
working against a marriage is the fact that km and pw are still in their 20s, and that’s young, by today’s standards
the fact that their relationship has not been that stable is another red flag; they’ve broken up at least twice, i believe, and there was a rough patch just last year even though they were not officially broken up
these breakups, combined with the apparent lack of even a formal engagement after 5+ years, makes the situation seem ominous
at what point will pw make up his mind? what further evidence or depth of feeling does he require?
if he seriously plans to marry kate eventually, then why not an engagement at the very least now?
this long term plan with the raf may be a very convenient excuse to get off the hook without triggering major public condemnation
September 22nd, 2008 02:50
It’s simple: it probably means he’s not going to marry her.
September 22nd, 2008 03:21
What I wonder though is if he marries her now would the public be happy with her being a “military wife”? She already has a bad reputation for being lazy (though unjustified, IMO). If she isn’t seen doing full time royal duties asap after a wedding, that image won’t go away. And if William doesn’t do full time royal duties because he’s serving in the RAf, neither would his wilfe I am sure because noone would want her to overshadow him. So she’ll have to get some sort of job anyways if she’ll get married to William next year and once she’s married to William working for her parents won’t do the trick anymore. If I were her I’d look for a job in an art gallery up north in Scotland (if that’s where William will be based).
September 22nd, 2008 09:08
The pieces of the puzzles is still missing and the media is not getting anything out of William, Kate, or CH. So all of the press is just guessing. That is the major problem, we are not getting a hint. There’s no doubt that these two will marry, but we will not know anything until it goes through The Queen’s Council, and government. Dates has to be set for meetings so we have to be realistic now, we probably won’t know of an engagement later this year or earily next year. The only reason why the papers are saying that they will marry soon or never is because they can’t figure out how will she fit in on all of this. And they are not getting anything out of the people who is involved. It really does seem like Kate is going to fill her time working and showing up to events, and getting some public experience under her belt. The only way to do that is to get involved in more charities and organizations. But the big question is will William’s new team of advisors help her?
September 22nd, 2008 11:06
Kate is continuing to lie low. The last pics of her were from Disco and we are not getting daily ones of her like we did when they broke off in July.
September 22nd, 2008 11:26
Gracie, it could be she’s back in Bucklebury, where we don’t often seem to get pictures of her anyway?
Whilst eagerly awaiting the next issue of Majesty Magazine which I suspect my neighbor Phil has stolen out of the mailbox, I did take a look at the Editor’s Letter. Ingrid, a veteran Royal journalist if ever there was one, once again failed to mention Kate in the Letter from the Editor section, something she had done for most months and has stopped doing over the past two or three issues.
Trying to read any and all tea leaves here, but I am now thinking even Ingrid was taken by surprise at the RAF announcement, as she made a reference to “now that Charles will have William to help” with taking over some of the Queen’s duties.
However, that doesn’t rule out Kate, who might very well be looking at houses in Scotland with her Mother as we speak.
September 22nd, 2008 12:10
Alsgal, very interesting. I agree with you on Ingrid. The whole thing seems so odd, you know? What puzzles me is why William would go on vacation with Kate and the Midds, just to end it to go off and fly? Of course nothing has been stated that its over and I don’t know that CH will announce anything if it is. The other blog is ripping Kate up over her yellow shorts!
Trixie, you bring up a good point. The RF are not going to want Kate to overshadow William. I would think IF they got married while he was in RAF that she would start doing charity work, albeit quietly. I do think your suggestion of an art gallery would be a good idea. She could work in the back or something.
September 22nd, 2008 12:50
That is what I trule believe they are going to do. Get married while he’s in the RAF. But none of that starts until January. Now that it’s fall William should be working with The Central Staff Chief of Defence Staff at The Ministry of Defence which CH released earlier this year.
September 22nd, 2008 12:59
In that time Kate will probably get into more charity work by seeing what really interest her and how she wants to help. There so much work out there to be done and I’m sure they would like her to help out. Although she is working, the media refuse to understand that and they want to SEE her doing more, which is one of the reasons why they are on her back. The recent DM artical about why there is so much attention on girls that do nothing really scream’s Jealousy and a lack of understanding that it may look glamorous life but times are getting hard for everybody rich or not.
September 22nd, 2008 13:01
Gracie, Trixie, I just can’t see Kate working in the back room of anything anywhere. Why? Because of her sheer wattage and star power, that’s why. This girl was born to shine, and will always be out there front and center, through no fault of her own.
Now that the shock of the announcement has worn off, and past behvior and logic have regained their rightful place, at this point I really don’t think they’ve broken up because although some people are now mocking them and say they have almost a Fatal Attraction type thing going, albeit without the bunnies, I don’t see it as a sad, fatalistic relationship at all. I see a quiet, deep and lasting love there, borne of Kate’s patience and her willingness to wait for her man to grow up.
Yes, William will go train in Scotland or Wales, but Kate will be there, right alongside him. Why wouldn’t she? Who knows, maybe her parents will even rent Jordonstone House in Scotland again, as that would enable them to be close to Kinross, if two years of community college geograpghy serves me correctly.I know some people make fun of Kate for having a supportive family, but wouldn’t it be beneficial to have a family like that if one’s beloved was serving in the military?
At least that’s what one Alsgal would think.
September 22nd, 2008 13:06
Hello,
gracie, whatever is said and whatever is thought , when PW went on holiday after his Caribbean service I am sure he didn’t even know that he was going back into the RAF. The fact that CH was preparing for his moving back in almost confirms that and there was quite a lot of activity ar CH around that time.
I am covinced that he was informed by PC that the Queen wanted him to do something with his life and it was Sandringham or continue in services so he chose flying.
I am also certain that even in Austria KM didn’t know about his plans even if PW did and I would like to think he told her, but again it has been said that she was told of the announcement just days before by an aide.
It was the weekend before the anoouncement that she moved back to her flat and her car is often parked close by and was in fact there this weekend.
Rman, the piece of the puzzle is that he has either caught another slice of cold feet or has been told to cool it.
If the worst has happened and KM does move on then don’t be surprised if she is engaged and married within the next two or three years. This happens after a long term breakup (shades of Hugh Grant syndrome) and we must hope that she then stays happy and content for the next 40+ years.
And PW ? On his own head be it but just imagine taking that sort of advice from PC or even asking for it. Shades of the mistakes of the father being laden upon the son possibly leading to many years of heartache and unhappiness.
September 22nd, 2008 13:09
If its that way, I really hope its with TvS or with hunky Willhem Marks !
September 22nd, 2008 13:14
Alsgal, I do think that Kate has proven that no matter with or without William, Kate will be in the spotlight. I just don’t know how happy that makes CH/RF. They don’t want another Diana to upstage Queen Camilla.
Does anyone find it odd that William was at the Rugby w/Charles and Camilla and there are no photos of him?
September 22nd, 2008 13:14
No, that would never work because after last week’s sparlking skating outfit they’d be known as Marx and Sparks.
Why would Kate move back to her flat in London if she’s working for her parents in Bucklebury?
September 22nd, 2008 13:20
Ked, I linked the article published in MAY by the Sun already that reported William would go to the RAF. So yes he knew in ever since then and certainly during their Mustique holiday in August that he would become a sea and rescue pilot! THIS WAS NOT DECIDED AT SHORT NOTICE AT ALL!
Here’s the link again:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/royals/article1120960.ece
And since the Sun knew about it, I see no reason to believe the articles stating Kate didn’t. The press just made up that story about the change of plan to cover their backs because they had all “revealed” William’s plans for next year already – or better they had copied from the NOTW without checking their sources apparently – and it wouldn’t have been the first time that this happened.
If Kate is back in London why are there no pictures? Whenever she is in London she is followed by paps, why not now? Maybe you saw Pippa’s car or Pippa is using Kate’s car since she won’t need it while in Berkshire. Or if she is indeed back, maybe Kate got a job in London? Seriously there is absolutley no need to add conspiracy theories to the alreadyy out of control speculation about William and Kate. Neither of us knows what’s going on and we shouldn’t pretend to either because we all know that tabloids copy stuff from online forums. I wouldn’t want anyone to sell my speculation as “news” and I’m sure neither do you. So watch your wording, please.
September 22nd, 2008 13:22
I often think this is another Andrew and Koo-Stark thing. They sent Andrew off to end it w/ Koo and it worked. I can’t imagine why William would seek advice from Charles. But I guess that’s the only dad he has.
Ked, if they break up, will the photo ban on her still be in place?
September 22nd, 2008 13:25
Don’t forget there might be a more positive explanation –
that Kate’s car is parked out in front of the flat in London to confuse the paps while she’s up cottage hunting in Scotland.
September 22nd, 2008 13:27
Gracie, I can see what you’re saying but Kate’s no Koo, and the pictures of her falling whilst skating last week could hardly be compared to some of Koo’s, erm, finest film moments.
September 22nd, 2008 13:31
Trixie, good point. So Kate atleast knew William put in a request so I would think they would have discussed if William request was approved what that would mean to the relationship.
Alsgal, you could be right!
September 22nd, 2008 13:34
Alsgal, no I am not saying she Koo at all. I am saying the RF has a way of ending relationships that they don’t approve of. That was just an example that comes to mind. Maybe Kate should go after Andrew, he still looks pretty good. Kidding.
September 22nd, 2008 13:35
Trixie,
Accept what you say but can also quote a later date report that said that was to be part of his short RAF service.
You may be correct about Pippa using KM’s car as I have seen her drive away in it.
Without confirmation just accept that KM did not know about PW continuing his RAF service whilst in Austrica and therefore did not know whilst in Caribban.
It is even worse that if PW knew but didn’t tell her and what basis is that for a marriage although there are probably many secrets that KM probably doesn’t know about or perhaps she too is pretending.
September 22nd, 2008 13:38
Wouldn’t be that we are in the dark, and she the girlfriend knows it all, but won’t blurp to the press. It would be the end.
September 22nd, 2008 13:39
It just can’t be in my head that you, me or anyone else knows more than KM about the whereabout, doings, or immediate future, short, mid or longterm of her boyfriend.
September 22nd, 2008 13:41
But the Sun article came out AFTER HIS RAF STINT WAS OFFICIALLY FINISHED in mid-Mayl! So how could the reported sea and rescue training have been part of that very attachment especially because it only lasted 4 months in total anyways?
Stop pretending to have inside information, it’s pathetic!
September 22nd, 2008 13:48
Trixie,
Yes, there was the Sun article in May that mentioned PW applying for an RAF position. But the articles about his becoming a working royal & training to be King came out in JULY. After the May article. There were stories throughout the month of July about William’s future plans from various different media outlets not just the tabloids. The Telegraph and The Evening Standard had pretty detailed articles about staff being added- the addition of the new pr team to help with William’s position and the upcoming wedding came from the ES. And I don’t think they all just copied what the NOTW had. The NOTW was the only outlet that reported William would be taking over Sandringham something none of the others mentioned in their articles. Call me crazy but I don’t think all these different papers made up the same stories at the same time and with that level of detail. And these weren’t far fetched ideas either, they sounded perfectly reasonable and like something that had been planned by the Queen and CH. The RAF thing may have been a remote possibility & more William’s idea rather than something taken seriously by BP or CH. That’s what it looks like to me. I think HM and Prince Charles had drawn up a good plan for him to follow the next few years that would prepare him for his future roles but William had other ideas. He doesn’t want to be a full time royal (maybe doesn’t want to get married either) so that’s what the extra 4yrs in the military is all about.
September 22nd, 2008 13:51
Gracie, yes they knew that was coming but we didn’t pay any attention to the fact that he requested to go into the RAF. So of course it took us back a bit and then the tabs came up with a theory that Kate didn’t know. She did so there’s no reason to go into that. They both knew. Ked there is still a puzzle here, what’s going to happen next? He don’t go into the RAF until next year. So there’s open time for a announcement. That will come when they release it.
September 22nd, 2008 14:02
Do you guys remember the Elizabeth R documentary on Youtube? The Queen mentioned on there that the younger royals find royal duties very difficult and doing a job for life. She believe’s in doing a job for life and I don’t think she really like that he is going into the RAF for a couple of years but that was his choice. I just know that this includes Kate and we just don’t know that yet. So lets all hope for the best and stop the doubting. It’s so depressing reading the “love lost” comments. We are so better than that. The tabs is getting to us.
September 22nd, 2008 14:08
But if he had applied in May for the RAF position why did CH or BP draw up that other plan for him? Apparently his applications wasn’t pulled out. So did they plan his future without asking William? If so then I see no reason why that has anything to do with William and Kate. Then it comes across more like a battle of wills between William and the Queen or Charles depending on who’s in charge of planning his future.
As far as I remember the articles about William apprenticeship as King originated in the NOTW.
Here’s a link to the revelation of the “secret plan”.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article7931.ece
The other papers took it from there. Stories often make the round through several papers like that. Other papers just added their view on things, of course they quoted “royal aides” as the always do. The part of him getting his own office was as far as I can tell only reported in the Telegraph and then the DM. It could still be true since he will after all continue taking on royal duties even if not full time.
However, nothing of this was ever officially announced or commented upon by Clarence House.
But the fact that several papers had simliar stories doesn’t mean anything.Just because they sound good, doesn’t make them true. How many papers reported about Kate’s internship with Mario Testion for example? Was that story right also because it was detailled and printed in several papers?
September 22nd, 2008 14:09
Gracie, now I see what you mean about the Koo/ Andrew affair and let’s hope the BRF aren’t that calculating to dispose of a young girl’s hopes and dreams in such a brutally surgical fashion.
Rman, let us hope and pray that either an announcement is coming or that Max Clifford will be appointed Kate’s PR agent ASAP. Clearly, we can all agree things cannot continue in this fashion.
September 22nd, 2008 14:17
I get it Trixie.
Gracie, Rman, Alsgal, I’m with you guys, hoping all will end well.
September 22nd, 2008 14:36
Yes that’s all we can do is hope. It’s so clear that we know that William & Kate belong together and they will make a great team. So after all the tabs speculation, I hope that William & Kate don’t see us as getting their business but rooting for them and praying for them.
September 22nd, 2008 14:39
Trixie,
That’s the point I was getting at- the plans from the Queen and Charles were already being drawn up by the time William applied for the RAF. They were leaked in July but that doesn’t mean they just came up with them in July. The kinds of things that were reported made perfect sense & they would be what one would expect the 2nd in line to do- learn about the Duchy of Cornwall, the Whitehall assignment, increased charity work etc. Sounds like plans made by HM, Charles, and their advisers. Spending 4yrs in the RAf just smacks of something William thought of all on his own. Think about it- who would choose the RAF of all places when there was so much controversy over the helicopter flights? And he’ll spend 2yrs training but then only have 2 or 3yrs of actually doing the job! That’s a total waste of time. Maybe courtiers really do need to make his decisions for him because its obvious good judgment isn’t one of his strong suits.
September 22nd, 2008 14:39
I wanted to add that the more reputable news outlets like the BBC and the Times did not report on the “secret plans” for William’s King training next year at all. The BBC made no metion at all from what I could find online and the Times only has a tiny mention in its “gossip section” and it doesn’t sound like they regarded it true. Apparently they didn’t consider the source reliable.
The last BBC reports (apart from theoffical announcement for William’s RAF training which btw makes no mention of it being a “surprise” at all) was the announcement of William’s plans for this autumn including a stint at the Ministry of Defence (MoD).
On another note does anyone know when William will start his internship in the MoD? In October? Because if the MoD is in London, he’ll surely move back there which may be another explanation for Kate returning to Lindon also – of she truely did.
September 22nd, 2008 14:58
That would seem to point to a fall announcement for a Wedding to follow in May/June/July of next year (2009) and I’m thinking either October or November, but after Charles’ birthday, so as not to upstage his 60th.
William could then train in Scotland whilst Kate is doing the whole Princess in Training bit (Operation PIT) down in London.
Following the wedding, she could then ease into her role, as the quiet life on base as a military wife would provide her with adequate time to adjust, and they could continue to enjoy almost St. Andrew’s-like privacy in the early days of their marriage.
September 22nd, 2008 15:09
Alsgal, something tells me thats their plan but they are not telling us that yet. All we are going to get is tab speculation until then.
September 22nd, 2008 15:18
Like Trixie said, it does not make sense as to why the SAF would be the choice of the Queen/CH. First of all it is still dangerous and that is why DOD/CH did not want to send William to Afganistan in the first place. Second, the Chinook stunts were a nightmare PR wise. Plus, the public complained about how much William training is costing tax payers. But I do think something needs to be done to help Kate if she is planning on being a member of the RF, PR wise. If CH is not going to declare what their relationship is and how she will fit into William new post, then she or Mama Midds needs to hire a good PR team to help her image. PR people can do wonders, look at Angelina Jolie!
September 22nd, 2008 15:23
I didn’t say that at all. It was niki and I don’t agree with her in that point. I think it makes A LOT of sense for William to become a sea and rescue pilot. He does something he enjoys and helps people on the way all while making use of the trainng he alreaady received. At least he’ll have an opportunity to put his military education to some use. Why should that be a waste of resources? Didn’t the official statement from CH say the usual comittment is 30 months? So I guess the other pilots don’t serve much more than that either?
September 22nd, 2008 15:27
I’d prefer not to, as I’m sure some of those poor children will eventually become sad, neglected drug addicted teens once Mama Jolie has moved on to a new photo op, as these celebrities usually do.
What ever did become of Mia Farrow the actress who adopted all of the oprhans? I’d be curious to know how her children turned out — I know one off them ran off with stepdaddy Woody Allen.
September 22nd, 2008 16:11
Sorry Trixie. Has anyone heard that DM printed in the newpapers only not online an article by KN stating that Kate did not want Beatrice at Disco? It sounds so silly.
September 22nd, 2008 16:13
Alsgal, I don’t know about Mia kids. She was adopting handicap children before it became the thing to do, so to speak. Besides the one who married Woody, I think they live very quiet lives as Mia does.
September 22nd, 2008 17:08
Gracie it does sound silly. They are coming up with all kinds of crazy stories. I just hope we see William & Kate out together soon.
September 22nd, 2008 17:38
Good evening all…I was hoping to come home to good news this evening. Anybody have any?
I have officially sworn off of reading these silly articles in the DM. They are repetitious and a waste of time. There is some serious ‘piling on” going on here. The tabs have banded together to create a story where there is not one(hopefully).
alsgal,what the heck is going on at RA? Did aliens kidnap John? his comments are so depressing
September 22nd, 2008 17:42
morning lisa
September 22nd, 2008 17:50
Well the DM articals along with the tabs is getting everybody down and depressed. That’s why we need an appearence by William and Kate. They can pull everybody out of this depressing state. In reality they did nothing to make anyone depressed but the tabs went into overdrive on William’s plans and they don’t know what to make of it. It’s all speculation that did this and we need William & Kate’s help. Help us please.
September 22nd, 2008 17:53
Rman, a Will and Kate sighting right now is just what the dr ordered. BTW..it is 6:52 pm here on the east coast of the US. I take it to be morning where you are? LOL
September 22nd, 2008 18:18
I mean evening lisa, lol. I know this is just getting crazy and I just know William would not hurt this girl in any way. They must have a plan and we just don’t know about it. All we have seen this year and recently is a loving couple that is happy and they have no problem showing that. They arrived back from a wedding and his RAF plans was announced and the press just lost their minds. Kate will be his side all the way and that is such a beautiful thing. We just need to see them together so all of this can calm down. I’m also waiting to hear from the royal correspondents. This couple deserves all the happiness in the world and they are proven to be going on strong no matter what.
September 22nd, 2008 18:45
Hello,
I don’t think it is just the newspapers that has now driven this matter.
Since early 2007 the RF’s aim has been to release PW from any commitment or promise made to KM in their youthful love affair.
The outcry and denigration of PW when the story of their breakup really shocked BP and CH and PW himself.
That their blue eyed boy, whom it was hoped would be their savious following PC’s disasterous love life, was being besmirched and the country seemed to be completely behind a beautiful commoner. That it was PW continued licentiousness and infidelity was not taken to be a cause because as a Royal he was entitled to take as many ‘mistresses’ as he liked and as often as he liked.
That KM should object to such behaviour was considered by the RF to be bad form and she was doomed. However PW, who really liked, even loved KM had to be seen to be wronged by his partner.
The plot or whatever was launched ,even it now seems with the approval of PW and he pursued her and after a short time persuaded a very reluctant KM to renew their relationship.
Initially he was very cool about it, ignored her, appeared to be drunk whenever seen out with her and generally gave the impression that he was ignoring and belittled her and reportedly cheated yet again around and over the Christmas period.
Then it appeared that love blossomed for PW again and for a few months he treated KM with utmost love and affection and respect but by his childishness and infantile sense of fun he still did not get his popularity back.
So it was time to get rid of someone who outshone him and again the stakes where upped leading to the present situation.
The only thing now standing between an official announcement that they had decided to part was that PW could not be held responsible so KM has been relentlessly vilified by selected attacks to change the public perception of KM.
Unfortunately it has worked and now the final push will make it official in due course with the blame for the break up firmly on KM’s shoulders.
That PW has professed to love KM will not even be a consideration.
Whatever the form of announcement it will be said that although parting as lovers they will remain best friends for ever thus hoping to prevent a newsworthy source from divulging too much hurtful information. This is the accepted way of removing past lovers and trying to ensure their silence by an unspoken threat to their future.
I hope the above is proved to be a load of rubbish despite it being factual and that somehow PW and KM can make a life. All that I hope is that they do not make seveal years into the future with harming third parties.
If reports of PC’s involvement is true and history repeats itself he will have a double burden to carry.
September 22nd, 2008 18:50
So who did William date in Christmas ? factual
September 22nd, 2008 19:01
ked are you alright?
All this sounds like pure insanity.
Sorry but it does.
September 22nd, 2008 19:13
Ked, why is Kate still wearing her ring from Andrews that he gave her? She made sure the hand was visable in a many pictures leaving Disco. Why is the press not following her endlessly as they did before and why is she seem like she is underground? I would think that if William did this horrible thing to her and her family, she would be out in all her glory hitting the town. I know I would!
September 22nd, 2008 19:25
Lisa I’m telling you that little announcement came out and everybody lost their mind. lol. These two are fine but they have to let the public know that. That’s all. The other Kate was looking good and full of happiness. She not too long got back from a wonderful vacation and a wedding with her beau. He makes a little of his plans known and people think the world is ending and the tabs is coming up with all kinds of stories about what’s going to happen to Kate. That man back to her on her terms and she knows that he will do anything to please her. I’ve been saying this over a million times on here, that there’s more to his plan but he just haven’t released any information yet. She is going to Charles’s birthday party. Things have to be set straight because the tabs is reducing everybody to tears and I can just imagine William & Kate reading all of this and saying to themseleves (What’s going on).
September 22nd, 2008 19:29
Perhaps the columnist or journalist are taking drugs
September 22nd, 2008 19:33
That’s just the thing Gracie, William wouldn’t do that to her. She has done nothing to deserve that and he’s not a cruel person. He did not allow her to attend his cousin’s weddings and attend the Order of The Garter and raise her status to this level just to dump her altogether. She did hold that ring up proudly the other night and she did let us know that they are doing fine. The media just need to back off and give them some breathing space. They would do the same thing Harry & Chelsy if she wasn’t in school.
September 22nd, 2008 19:42
Like Ked said before, they are just trying to get something out of them and write about them. They are a very famous couple you know. But the British people are pulling for them and go crazy when they appear in public. It’s just alot of gossip out there. We just need to see more of them like a team. It would be nice to have William & Harry take Kate & Chelsy to the new James Bond Film Premiere next month. Charles took Camilla to film Premiere’s and other events way before their engagement.
September 22nd, 2008 20:00
Rman I hear you, but all this crazy speculation is out of control. I don’t know which is worse at this point,the tabs or the bloggers…I hope we don’t have to wait too long for an appearance. When I look at it logically,it makes sense. Then you read all this stuff and you don’t know what to believe.
September 22nd, 2008 21:39
I hear you too lisa. The tabs is also getting their info from the bloggers. I mean let’s be realistic here, not everyone like William & Kate and make fun of them often. They think they are just a bunch of rich people who have no everyday problems like them. All they see is people getting their way on everything. But again lets be realistic, William & Kate wouldn’t have done half of the things they did this year and just end it like that. He spent part of his vacation with her and her family and I think that was the first time he spent a vacation with her whole family. The pictures that we have seen was full of fun and laughter. The the Sun talked about the pictures was stolen and described them to not that intimate but of two love close love birds who was enjoying their timein the sun. But it would have caused some embarrassment to a very private couple so we didn’t get a chance to see them. They went to to a club once they got back to show off their tans and everything was just fine. He made that one announcement and the tabs started to put their relationship on a doomed ship. We who really like these two together started to get worried about them and things just got crazy from there. They obviously have dicussed this stuff while they was away and came up with a plan on how they are going to take this to another level. We just have to let them handle this in their own way like they always have and wait for a annoucement. That’s the key, being patient. It’s like they are saying that their day will be worth waiting for and I believe that. He just wouldn’t put her through that pain again. That was painful for all of us to watch last year. All they could do was go out and smile but they looked terrible and sad.The press and bloggers started to come up with a answer on what happened and I think it made things even worse for them. They are back together now and from the royal events from this year, it seemed like none of that happened. They are back and stronger than ever. So everybody will have to excuse me when I call of this speculation “CRAP”. Everything seem to be running smoothly and obviously his RAF plan includes Kate and not a way to abandon her. He’s not like that. He saw first hand how his mother felt abandoned and alone. Why would he put another woman through that? He just wouldn’t build her up and knock her down.
September 22nd, 2008 21:54
Your words make all the sense in the world,Rman. I was wondering something…is it possible for William to declare Kate his “spouse” for military purposes so she could live with him on base while he trains? Does the RAF provide any such benefit for an unmarried spouse? Also why couldn’t they live together off base during training? Many options are there IMO.
September 22nd, 2008 22:25
There is several options there and they may take either one. They have alot of support. They got their family and frinds and people who care so the press came up with a lot but it’s the love that surrounds them that keeps them going. However they work this out will work.
September 22nd, 2008 23:05
But he said he wants to do what they do and not to be held back, why would they all of a sudden give him special privileges?
September 23rd, 2008 00:00
I don’t think they will give him any special privileges but you can marry and be in the RAF at the same time. It’s just like the army and navy. You can be a army husand & wife and a navy husband & wife. Even though it was 1947, the Queen & Duke loved it. If her father did not get sick and pass away she would have kept that lifestyle. William & Kate will be okay. His father is taking over a lot of his mother’s duties and William & Harry will do their bit. It’s not a total big deal like the media is making it. We just have to see what they are going to do next.
September 23rd, 2008 07:42
Lisa, that our always reliable voice of reason John is even speculating this may be the beginning of the end is worrying to say the least.
Here all this time, thanks to my faulty geography AND spelling skilz ;0 I’ve been thinking William was headed to the burbs of North Edinburgh in Kinross. Lots of social contacts for Kate from Pippa’s time there, plus it’s a charming town, yada, yada.
Now I see he’s going to Kinloss — the L here is all important, kids — as it means our boy is just south of the Arctic Circle. Not a lot of galleries for Kate to work at there, unless they are doing artistic things with reindeer horns these days. Unless she becomes a wife, and can therefore live on the base, I see a logistical nightmare for them unless, of course, my gut instinct proves correct and Kate’s parents are helping her find a small rental house near the Base.
Yes, from a logistical POV, even this Alsgal will admit this appears to be a bit of a setback. But, knowing how these two have always managed to find their way back to each other, I won’t give up hope even now. I just can’t.
September 23rd, 2008 08:26
The magic power of google tells me that there are quite a few galleries in Ivernesseven an art museum – Iverness is about 45 minutes from Kinloss.
http://tinyurl.com/4s6na2
There are even three or four in Forres (5 minutes from Kinloss). Small ones I’m sure but I doubt any of them would mind employing the future Queen of England.
Aberdeen which is about 2 hours drive from Kinloss (less if they set up their home somehwere in the middle between Kinloss and Aberdeen) has art galleries and an art museum as well.
Even Edinburgh is ony a three hour drive away. Maybe too much to travel every day but certainly not too much of a distance for the weekends which William will have off undoubtedly.
One can also fly from Iverness to Edinburgh.
September 23rd, 2008 08:40
Trixie, where there’s a will there’s a way, and as I’ve just posted on the other Forum, there’s no reason why Kate couldn’t move permanently into their Teapot Cottage in Balmoral, the one with the splendid tub for two.
Even if she stays at home and does the domestic bit while William is out working, I’m sure there are some charities in the area she can get involved in. Roadkill Rescue of Greater Aberdeen for starters, or perhaps even some sort of children’s charity.
It looks like they’re both headed to Scotland, a place of happy memories and where it all started for them all those years ago. I’ve got a more optimistic feeling about these two now if I look at it from this angle, I’ll tell you that.
September 23rd, 2008 08:41
Or should I say where there’s a will, there’s a Kate?
September 23rd, 2008 09:37
Alsgal, your kidding about the Roadkill Rescue right?
September 23rd, 2008 11:08
Gracie, no I’m not kidding, though I do hope no one actually Googled that specific name up. But surely they have some sort of SPCA in Greater Aberdeen that goes and takes the injured (and sometimes dead) animals off the road, either saving them or disposing humanely of the carcasses? All that is needed is a truck and a caring heart, and we know Kate has the latter for sure. I’m sure she could find a truck.
My point was, that’s something that’s needed in a rural area with lots of empty roads, and I don’t believe that’s a Royal patronage that’s been taken, so it could almost be Kate’s osteoprosis if you will.
September 23rd, 2008 11:09
Alsgal, I have visited John’s site in the past and he seems to be a very strong guy and pro Wills & Kate. But again I have to point out that everybody is really getting down because we really don’t know what the plan is and since we don’t, people are thinking the worst. That he’s just going to dump her all together and he’s not going to do that. We just have to wait and see what action these two take but it won’t be a ended relationship. They are just too much in love with each other and we have seen that. Remember on his birthday when the was sitting under the tent, and she was kissing his face and on his head? He just sat there and looked like he was in heaven and he smiled a lot. So there is soo much love there and that is so evident.
September 23rd, 2008 11:20
Alsgal sweetheart, she would be a laughing stock if she did that. I’m laughing now at the thought of it. Yes, it is a good charity but it is very suitable, can you imagine the headlines?
I sometimes like John’s site but I find it a little too Kate positive sometimes. Dont get me wrong I dont want to hear her being bashed all the time but it can get a little weary when you feel you can say nothing slightly negative. That’s why I like this site because there are so many different points of view that I know if I feel Kate did something which was IMO not right, I could say that.
When did she kiss him in the tent? I only saw her whisper something in his ear which made him laugh or smile. Ahhh
….have I missed some important photos?!?!?!?!?!?
I also think that it would be a bad idea of Kate to follow William to Scotland. People are already saying that she has little life of her own and is clingy. Can you imagine what would be said if she followed him? Besides, my parents have gone 6 weeks before without seeing each other once. I am sure that Kate or William would be able to travel to see each other if they wanted to. Chelsy was able to cope with not seeing Harry for all those months when he was on the front line. If Chelsy is able to cope for that long without talking to him every day or seeing him with the worry of him being hurt, I am sure Kate can manage as well.
September 23rd, 2008 11:21
Rman, thank you for reminding us, as those pictures were indeed very loving evidence that they do love each other, and are quite affectionate when cameras are out of the way. You and I have had our faith tested this week, but trust me, dear Rman, this will all go our way and I’ll be bringing an extra lawnchair and a Molson’s just for you.
Frankly, I think the press have overreacted to the RAF announcement, and that William and Kate are still very, very much in love.
Looking at it from the Teapot Cottage Solution, it actually makes a lot of sense.
Five more years, or maybe just another 18 months, and Kate will be supporting William at Balmoral while he’s at Kinloss.
Patience isn’t just something found in a hospital, and we all need to keep the faith.
September 23rd, 2008 11:30
B, I would find nothing wrong with her moving to Scotland even less so if she took on a job or charity work there. Sure she “could” live without him for several weeksback in Berkshire or London but why “should” she if she has a choice? They have spend weeks apart if need be but I don’t see why they should force it. So far neither Kate nor William paid much attention to the press and what they write but have done their own thing and quite frankly I hope it stays that way. If it is indeed their plan to move to Scotland together (away from the much hated press), I think that’s a very good decision for both of them.
September 23rd, 2008 11:37
Thanks alsgal. The press did overreact on his RAF announcement. B, she did whisper to him, gave him a little kiss and on the head. He was wearing a hat so she kissed the hat. But it was a very loving gesture between a very private couple. Charles & Camilla comes off as a very private couple as well. When he was with Diana, he didn’t mind showing some affection. He use to pat her on the bottom alot and dance with her. But what we saw this year from William & Kate was totally different from the earlier years. They are older and different. The other night may have been fun but she just beamed with happiness and I know she must be a little disappointed with the press by saying that her relationship is on the rocks. I know I would if they treated my woman and I like that.
September 23rd, 2008 11:41
Alsgal, I have never heard of such a charity before. I have learned something new today. Thanks.
If they get engaged, I think Kate should take on more charity stuff. If they don’t get engaged I think she should still do some charity and possibly work at art gallery. I see no reason why she would not want to go with William while he is in Scotland especially since they can afford to rent a place. I don’t think Kate can continue on like she has been because if they ever get married, the public might not like the union by then. So she needs to do something.
September 23rd, 2008 11:42
B, I understand and respect your differing POV, but really, would having an immobile deer in the back of her truck make people laugh any less than they already did at last week’s charity event? Poor Kate has been roundly knocked in the press for a) wearing something with a bit of colour and b) falling over. That’s it. That’s all she did: skate, serve pizza, fall over and get killed in the press. Rather sad, I think.
I could actually see Kate becoming involved w/ something like roadkill rescue precisely because of her confidence and that she is not one of those silly people to be paralised by what other people think. (Plus she’d look pretty in that Indiana Jones style of hat she wears to the horse events.) I’m not familiar with the flora and fauna of Scotland, but surely there are all sorts of animals that could use her help.
Also, B perhaps it’s almost a tomato/tomahto sort of thing as far as Kate “not having a life”? You and others might see that as clingy, I prefer to see it as Kate being really, really supportive of william. It all comes down to one’s POV.
September 23rd, 2008 12:02
Oh, do I agree with Gracie, Kate need to do more charity work. I’ve been saying that all along. She seem to be a very passionate person so she could find a charity that she is really passionate about and do all she can for it. She can really speak out about The Ward for her friend and that probably help them reach their goal. But all these years all we have seen is beautuful hair and teeth and never hear her voice. I think that is a step that is in their secret plan.
September 23rd, 2008 12:17
Rman, event organisers did say Kate has been supporting Tom’s Ward behind the scenes and that blonde woman with the really wide mouth at the Sisterhood also said Kate had supported them behind the scenes before the Hello story came out last summer. So, lots of support behind the scenes and isn’t that the best sort of giving, when it’s done quietly and not for show?
I do agree with you about her beautiful hair and teeth. Maybe the Smile Train would be a great charity for her?
September 23rd, 2008 12:31
Alsgal, I agree. The best type of charity goes unoticed, but Kate got herself in a pickle. As I have said before, that if Williams PR people will not help Kate, then Kate needs to get her own PR firm. Let’s hope all this bad press about her, Pippa and James don’t hurt their parents business. Did you notice James was not at Disco?
September 23rd, 2008 12:39
I think the press made this charity event look like a pickle. Seriously I feel that the cause, her outfit, the theme, her fall – pickle of the press, etc. was just absolutely above average. I have no problem, I am not gasping for air – like some posters in another forum – whom have made this entire charity a total madness.
September 23rd, 2008 12:43
No, I didn’t realise James wasn’t there, but can’t you just imagine the outfit he might have come up with? He seems like a fun young brother, full of the kind of silly surprises only young brothers can come up with. I actually thought more highly of the whole Middleton clan after the FB photos came out, as far from making them seem like a bunch of decadent cross dressing toffs, I thought they seemed charming and with the great sense of humour that would be required to be a relation of someone as famous as Kate is, and will continue to be. Just charming and down to Earth, really.
September 23rd, 2008 13:07
They seem to be really fun people.
September 23rd, 2008 15:46
Thanks Rman, I didn’t remember that so cheers for reminding me.
Alsgal and Trixie: If she moved up to Scotland I would not mind at all as I personally would not find it clingy but just something a girlfriend who is able to move does. I moved to America for 3 months once because my boyfriend was setting up a new branch of his company. It’s a long story but I had a good time over there so I would very hypocritical if I were to criticize Kate. Admittedly, I was working with the team over there as well. I helped with the legal side of the expansion and I still go over there every so often. Hopefully, I will get to go to Canada or Italy as well where he plans to start up new branches.
Anyway back on topic I’m sure you don’t want to listen to the life and times of B.
I was trying to point out what the journalists would say and how others would view it. I suppose because I am very neutral over Kate I do try to show both sides of the arguement in my comments which could be misleading so apologies for that.
I just feel it could be damaging for her reputation, we all know what the press are like at the moment.
I agree the best charity work is the stuff that nobody notices. The problem is that if nobody notices, then it does not help her in anyway. So what she needs to do is working very very very hard for that charity to show that she has done a lot. Then someone (and this is the only time I would and could ever approve of leaking) needs to discreetly make the press aware of it, but they need to do it in a way so it does not look like a PR stunt.
September 23rd, 2008 15:49
P.S. I thought it strange that James or none of the other royals was there (apart from Bea and she allegedly moaned to Ms Nicholls during it. I read it on another forum and although I don’t believe it or have trouble believing it, it was a direct quote.)
Perhaps, the other were warned that it should just be Kate’s time and that by going it would look bad for her???? Maybe????
September 23rd, 2008 15:54
Well William is on military duty as is Harry who’s actually in Canada. Peter and Autumn are in Hongkong. Zara is hardly ever seen out and about in London anyways so that pretty much only leaves Eugenie as the one who may have been missing while she could have attended… maybe 80’s roller discos aren’t her thing?
September 23rd, 2008 15:54
I think we are a few that don’t need to know what she does with her 24/7, I’m with the few who think she doesn’t own anyone explanations of her life. If CH has ever said so.
The press has it with her and the haters follow through and feed them with more, to a point that they get quoted.
September 23rd, 2008 16:58
Like Lisa I didn’t think she would actually show up just lend her name to the event to help raise money. But on the other hand if she still only has girlfriend status & is perfectly okay with that then she should do whatever she pleases. No since in being conscious of where you go or what you do if you aren’t in the running for the Queen stakes. It doesn’t matter if the Day Glo event seems inappropriate to some or not because she has no reason to care how it would look to the outside world. At least that would be my attitude if I were in that position.
September 23rd, 2008 17:49
If Kate didn’t want Beatrice there, than why did she come? Why was she invited in the first place?
September 23rd, 2008 18:06
Said by Katie Nicholl. So do you really think that Kate redecorated CH, built a gym ?
September 23rd, 2008 18:17
So I guess she has to bring poor Beatrice into her hatred of Kate. I was just looking at Hello, and I like how Princess Victoria of Sweden just comes clean w/the engagement rumors around her and her long time boyfriend in her own words. Do you know how much mess would end if William just did something like that?
September 23rd, 2008 19:12
Gracie, I have often wondered that myself. Why be so precious about it? A simple announcement, much like he did for Arabella and that’s it. Big whoop, speculation is over.
And BTW but if Kate is talking to Hello! (through a “friend”) about her working status why not clarify the other as well?
No they don’t have to do it of course, but it would make their lives easier and end a lot of unecessary speculation.
September 24th, 2008 00:45
I have the feeling that’s due to William’s deeply rooted hatred for the press. He doesn’t want to cooperate with them, period. This may hurt him and those around him at times but I have great respect for someone who doesn’t feel the need to reveil his every private move and feeling to the whole world. I see it as a strength rather than a weakness. It takes a strong character to withstand the urge to react to every gossip blurb posted – a character strength surely useful for a future monarch. He doesn’t dance to the press’ wistle.Good for him!
And honestly this isn’t the first time Victoria spoke out and the engagement rumours surrounding her didn’t stop when she did before and it won’t now. Those who believe her father doesn’t aloow her to marry will continue to think so until she actually announces the engagement.
September 24th, 2008 07:44
Trixie, I can see what you’re saying but pragmatically speaking, one day William will need to understand that dealing with the press is a necessary part of “the job” and just as HM found out how strongly and quickly public influence could be swayed in September, 1997, William would be wise to aim for some level of acceptance about the role the press has. He will need to come to the understanding that public opinion will need to be managed and cannot be counted on as one seemingly sits aloof in one’s Palace, press and pundits be damned.
Certainly he must be sensitive to some of the comments, or he would not have taken pains to explain his Chinook trips or would not have made his “I just want to be useful” comments in response to the Toy Soldier accusations.
Agree also about not reacting to every gossip blurb, but to make a statement about going off for 5 years and not mentioning whether or not the long term GF has any role in one’s future would have only required a simple statement. One line, just like w/ Jecca and Arabella.
To invite Kate to the Garter, and Royal weddings, and then to make an announcement that seems to have left her hanging out there is sending IMO a very deliberately confusing picture to everyone about Kate’s role.
September 24th, 2008 08:17
I went back to the website and read the actual announcement about these plans. In the announcement it indicates that William will continue to attend royal engagements and suppport his various charities. With that being said,I am beginning to think that we(via the tabs) have overreacted to all of this as Rman has been saying. Only a week prior,William and Kate attended a wedding together looking very much the happy couple with Kate being attended to by Charles well experienced protection officer. I can not believe by any stretch that Kate did not know all along that this was coming and that plans were in place to insure the health of their relationship. The real deal is that these plans don’t fulfill what the press was hoping for and dissappoints many of us who were geared up for a wedding in the spring(which still may come). I don[’t think William and Kate’s relationship has been changed or damaged by this at all.
September 24th, 2008 08:44
Lisa that’s what I’ve been trying to tell people.
September 24th, 2008 10:56
Well, I don’t think their relationship has changed but my perception of it has- a wedding doesn’t seem to be in the cards any time soon. Maybe it’s just that I’m noticing things now that I ignored before like how different Kate is being treated in comparison to Camilla and Sophie even before they were officially engaged. But it seems like William is doing what he wants and when he wants & Kate either accepts that or she doesn’t. If she has chosen to accept it then that is her right obviously. Still it’s embarrassing to have even respected papers like the Telegraph saying you are perfectly willing to wait around for years for a man who may or may not marry you. I still wish both of them the best & sincerely hope the signals coming out the last few weeks are wrong.
September 24th, 2008 11:38
They both decides what happens in their relationship. I find it interesting that people are always looking to William because he’s a Prince and what position he holds in society, but he have a strong woman beside him and they both have say so on their private relationship. If a engagement don’t come anytime soon then that means that they are focusing on his training which they seem to put first but that doesn’t mean they don’t want to get married or they have fallen out of love with each other. We have seen this past year that they are making some very important decisions. If they decide to wait and let him finish his training to wed then so be it, if they decide to wed and live on base as husband & wife then so be it. But make no mistake that they have made it clear this yea, that they are in love and together and that’s that.
September 24th, 2008 11:41
It’s probably because they are more familiar with William than they are with Kate.
September 24th, 2008 11:57
Hello,
There have been several photograph of KM where she has looked incredibly sad and quite down in the mouth, but there have also been many of her smiling her beautiful smile.
Mario Testino did say that KM was not going to work with him bach in January but didn’t say that he hadn’t photographed her. KM has been described as having an ethereal smile and exqusisite looks that had not been seen since Grace Kelly in the 1950 and 1960.
It would be interesting to know if she has had screen tests during her frequent disappearances since January time and it would be very interesting if she were to apear in the Film “Kate and William, their story”playing herself.
Far fetched ? Its as likely as many other news stories and there would be a great deal of $’s involved.
If PW and KM have in fact split up I wonder if her promise , made in April 2007, would still be kept and after the way her family have been treated would (or should) they put the record straight especially if promises made the other way have been renegued upon ?
I still think that we haven’t really heard the last of KM.
September 24th, 2008 11:59
Lisa, I don’t know how reliable the BBC is but their story said PW would continue his charity work until January, when he begins his RAF training stint for the next 18 months. They made a big point of him being a full time pilot.
Here is where I believe things stand:
still together
Kate will visit him near the base
no third party involved
Kate has the next 18 months to improve her “Waitey” image by pursuing more charity work and
next time, maybe she’ll choose a different outfit
September 24th, 2008 12:06
Agree Apryl, that’s why it’s important for the public to get to know her better. We can see she is a bright woman and clearly loved by her family, friends and William but the public just don’t know her all that well and we don’t even know what her voice sounds like. The more she get involved in charities and other organizations, the better we will know her. I had never heard Camilla’s voice until she gave a speech about Osteoporosis before her marriage. I remember they had the video on the BBC Online, I watched the video and was shocked to hear her speak in public for the first time. This something the public needs from Kate and when that happens, you will see a major difference in opinions about her. That’s the step they have to take.
September 24th, 2008 12:25
Ked we haven’t heard the last of the both of them. Alsgal, I agree with you. We will start to see things become more different and that silly name “Waity Katie” will go away. Kate now has to come out with a new look on things and get more public experience under her belt. I truly believe that’s the plan. It won’t be easy, no one is saying that and I’m sure she will have the help of William & Harry. She won’t do it alone. Prince Edward said in the documentary Monarchy: The Royal Family at Work, that doing public engagements goes from the feeling of shear terror to mild nervousness. She was so calm at the Order of The Garter service but there’s no telling how she felt inside. Everybody eyes was on her and William. It will take some time for her to get use to it.
September 24th, 2008 12:56
Ked, why don’t you just say what you know? I think if Testino took photos of her it would be for an engagement photo, not an 8 by 10 head shot for MGM casting. Testino does not do that kind of work or needs to for that matter. I would hope that William keeps her promise to her when they broke up, because their is nothing like a woman scorned! Stop talking in riddles and tell us what you know Ked!!!!
September 24th, 2008 13:04
Rman,
Don’t you think that PW is and has been very thoughtless and irresponsible in the way he has allowd KM to take o much vurtually of behalf of them both.?
He does show himself to be immature especially under pressure situations and will not change his attitude until he realises that with privilege comes responsibility.
His stupid attitude with the press has brought heartache both to himself and KM and if he could learn just one lesson that would be cooperate and find, as his mother found, that the press will respond and treat him and his with more respect.
September 24th, 2008 13:17
Ked I hear and understand what you are saying but William is not like that and he & Kate is handling this the way they want to. If that was true what you just said, then yes he will be seen as a very stupid guy but that’s just not the case. There’s something behind all of this and CH is not saying anything right now. When he & Kate is ready to make that announcement, they will. We may be in the dark about things but we do know that their engagement have to through some meetings before it reaches us and public. So lets give it some time.
September 24th, 2008 13:24
Yes Ked to us he hasn’t handled this right, I admit that but we don’t know what it’s like being in that situation so we just have to trust that they are going about this in the right way. It’s so obvious that they love each other and respect each other. He would hurt her so I’m sure they just ignore the false stories but her friend did speak out about her job.
September 24th, 2008 14:06
Spill the beans, Ked! Are there three in their relationship? Does she hail from the land of the free and the home of the brave?
September 24th, 2008 14:17
Who, the actress he met at Holly’s Christmas party?
Na, just friends.
September 24th, 2008 14:21
Alsgal, Peyton List is her name. She looks like a brunette Chelsy.
September 24th, 2008 14:29
Alsgal, you can find pictures of her on getty.
September 24th, 2008 14:31
No offense folks but why in the name of sanity would we want to start rumors that will find their way to the DM? The silly stories in the press are bad enough without us adding to it.
ked, as much as I appreciate your posts, I find myself confused at some of what you are trying to imply. Have we not learned a lesson from the IF of what happens when people who even hint that they have “inside information” post to blog sites. Please, if you know something as fact and can say it,fine. Just say it. If you cannot repeat something,it may just be best to keep it to yourself.
September 24th, 2008 14:47
Lisa, if she was at the party than it is not a rumor. I am sure alot of people where at Holly party. I do agree with you on Ked though, he either needs to come clean or stop the riddles.
September 24th, 2008 14:50
gracie, for anyone at this point to imply something regarding a friendship or other contact between PW and this woman is a rumor. If it is not a know fact that he met or knows her, it is a rumor and a dangerous one at that.
September 24th, 2008 14:54
Perhaps William is away fighting, like Harry did. Remember they had this whole Chelsy and Harry broke off and then he was really in Iraq?
September 24th, 2008 14:57
Sorry, ked, but you’ve been spreading that b/s about William and some other woman for months now. I hope you understand that you may be held liable for libel for doing so even if you may consider yourself safe in the anonimity of the internet. You better have hard facts to prove your claims correct or pray that noone searches the web for people spreading false rumours about members of the RF. I know some consider it fun to make themselves out to be important by implying proximity to someone famous but I am sure I speak for many here when I say I don’t believe you one bit.
I respect your opinions but your claims to inside gossip, I don’t take seriously at all, you may as well stop “sharing” your “information”.
We all know how much the British tabs love to stirr up gossip and I agree with lisa that we must not add to the ones that are already out there and cause harm to the people involved. It may be fun to discuss William and Kate and I am all for a lively discussion but I am sure neither of us would like very much for strangers to make up offending stories about ourselves hence we shouldn’t do so to others. William is a human being whose reputation should not be damaged so you can feel important on some internet blog.
September 24th, 2008 15:03
Gracie, the point is that ked claimed to know who was at Holly’s party when no such information is publicly available anywhere. I don’t believe for a second that ked was there in person so her claims are gossip.
Just adding that there is not one single information about Peyton List and Holly Branson let alone William online except for the ones spread here. If any such story found its way to the papers, it could easily be tracked down to this site by anyone who wished to find out who started this story.
September 24th, 2008 15:06
Well, for the record I wasn’t implying anything because I know William has ALWAYS been faithful to Kate or she wouldn’t stay with him.
My point was whoopee doo, so someone has read these rumours and so what? Each time William even chats with a girl it’s blown out of proportion so who can take any of it seriously? He doesn’t, and certainly Kate doesn’t or she wouldn’t have made a point of telling Rebecca English, who quoted her directly as saying that she a) knows girls throw themselves at PW and b)that it doesn’t bother her.
Good for Kate, that’s the way to be IMO.
Lisa, it doesn’t matter if the DMail repeats this stuff as these rumours simply have not and will not affect their relationship because they are stronger than that and each of them knows they can trust each other so whatever any PYT wants to say should be discounted with a grain of salt.
September 24th, 2008 15:11
ked also seemed to indicated,again in riddle,firsthand information about the recent wedding attended by William and Kate. ked has stated the location of Kate’s car at times as well as mail(packages) that have allegedly arrived at Kate’s flat in London. If true,this information is privledged and should not be shared on an internet blog site,IMO. In fact it could prove dangerous. The whole thing is making me uncomfortable,again considering the way papers like the DM troll websites to get “stories” and/or “sources”. These are real people, not characters in a romance novel.
September 24th, 2008 15:18
Trixie,
Well said. Anyone posting online can say they have inside information because its not like we could prove them wrong. But common sense says a person with such real knowledge wouldn’t be sharing it for free on royal websites!
September 24th, 2008 15:19
Really though, let’s ask ourselves, so what if Ked saw Kate’s car? Half her neighbors in Chelsea recognise her car, that’s hardly top secret 007 type info.
The paps know where Kate lives and you can bet they’ve kept their eyes peeled on her flat and at her parents since last Monday’s announcement.
That’s not priviledged info. So what if lots of packages showed up, or maybe none at all. Respectfully, what the heck does that change? Nothing.
Doesn’t even matter if the DMail prints pictures of Kate’s brother in drag or that they portrayed Carole Middleton as a golddigger last year. William didn’t care, the Queen didn’t care or Kate wouldn’t have been at the Garter ceremony or shooting deer with Prince Charles.
They can print lies, they can print truth, it will not change things for Kate & William.
September 24th, 2008 15:24
Hello,
In the first instance I had never heard of M/s List until I asked if any one on here know who it was. To my knowledge she has never been in Uk
September 24th, 2008 15:31
Yes, BUT you did and have insisted for 09 (nine) months that PW was seeing someone else in Christmas, with riddles, not in the exact words, implying, whatever you want to call it. So its spreading a rumor and damaging a reputation without the PROOF, and perhaps the tabloids pick that up and say Quote from Ked in the BRW site, as the DM have quoted some posters from the Internet Forum site.
So how would you feel about that ? Your integrity, even if it was your “opinion”, based on no given proof. Not good.
September 24th, 2008 15:35
Ked, I do and have fun posting, but sometimes the implications of what “one” writes has to be done with seriousness. As lisa just said, these are REAL people, not fiction characters of a novel.
September 24th, 2008 15:39
I suppose I have just become somewhat uncomfortable lately regarding posting of certain thing that,IMO, no one but someone very close to these people might know…for instance, ked posted that PW and KM recieved seperate invitations to the Salzburg wedding and that Kate stayed in a hotel. The post the other night suggested infedility on Williams part. It goes on and on..alsgal,I know this stuff does not actually effect William and Kate, but on the otherhand, is it a good idea to post stuff to promote the spread of untruths?
September 24th, 2008 15:41
For goodness sakes, Peyton List doesn’t even look like his type. She looks like a blonde 12 year-old when I looked under Google images.
Sorry, I just can’t see the attraction.
September 24th, 2008 15:47
The best thing to do is to drop the subject and move on. I think most of us on this site want what’s best for William and Kate and we hope that perhaps it will include a future together. Only time will tell what their futures hold.
September 24th, 2008 15:48
Alsgal, you are cracking me up!!
September 24th, 2008 15:50
Lisa, who even knows if that’s true? Being unmarried, it’s likely they received separate invitations and many have said they were seen traveling together in BA Club Class. A Salzburg paper, which doesn’t exactly give a biased rat’s about the couple either way (for they are still mourning their lovely Sissi in Osterreich
)
printed that onlookers said they were very much in love.
I still think they are, Kate’s just going to use the next 18 months to rehab her image a bit, ditto for PW, and then off we go to the Abbey.
September 24th, 2008 15:56
Yes, but I have to say enough with the Peyton List talk. We will see a new Kate.
September 24th, 2008 15:57
alsgal, I was using the invitations as an example of things stated as fact or inside knowledge posted here. You are correct, PW and KM may have received their own invitations but who would actually know that information as a fact?
Gracie is right,the best thing is to move on.
I don’t think we will be waiting as long as you think for that trip to the Abbey,BTW
September 24th, 2008 15:58
I think the fact that we have not seen Kate out-in-about is a good sign that perhaps they are still together.
September 24th, 2008 16:01
Rman the spirit of the discussion was not really about Peyton List.
I would love to see Kate doing more charity stuff but only with the guidance of CH at this point. She needs to build her public image up and she needs a pro to help her. October is coming and as I have said for awhile now,both the Queen and Prince Charles have empty schedules the first two weeks of oct. I am hoping for a surprise coming down the pike sooner rather then later.
September 24th, 2008 16:03
I don’t know about ya’ll, but Disco photos don’t show a girl whose world has been torn apart. Kate looks incredibly happy in those photos and her toothy smile can not be faked. IMO.
September 24th, 2008 16:12
gracie, you are so right.And if you are wrong and Kate’s world was blown apart,then she should take up a career in acting because she would sure win the oscar!I think everything is fine.
September 24th, 2008 16:14
Gracie, her legs were apart but her world was not!
I agree Lisa, she needs a professional to help her avoid some of the beginner’s mistakes.
PW could also use that new Dream Team and stat! as I’ve always thought JLP was only there to give military advice?
September 24th, 2008 16:23
I have always agreed that she needs help from CH on her image. Everyone knows she is a great girl, we just need to see in action more. If she like to work with children, then lets see that. Her quailties need to show more. She has a smile that lights up a room and it would be great for him to take her along on visits so she can get the experience. Charles did it so can he.
September 24th, 2008 16:32
Rman,William could put alot of this silly speculation to rest if he would just agree to be a little less private about his private life. He must realize that most Britons expect him to marry Kate so what is the big deal?
September 24th, 2008 16:40
By being so stubborn he has only encouraged more of what he claims not to want.
Instead of speaking out and defending Kate, he instead has his GF defending herself via “friends” to Hello? Obscene.
One bleeping statement and he’s too precious for that? Please William get over yourself.
September 24th, 2008 16:59
I think William like keeping her to himself and not all that willing to share her with us. I understand that, he got something special but the public would love to hear him say something about her.
September 24th, 2008 16:59
He will eventually.
September 24th, 2008 17:05
Rman, I really do see your point but something tells me Kate would be pleased as punch to be officially acknowledged. Just look at the glow she has whenever she is with William!
So, if he is being selfish, then it is really only hurting her as if everyone knew she was The One, they’d back off just like they did with Camilla before the engagement.
True, when she’s with him she looks happy, and she did on Disco Night as well, but we all know she has been bothered by the “Waitey Katey” allegations or she wouldn’t have spoken to Hello! through that “friend.” So, we do know by her actions that getting criticised has hurt her.
I don’t think he’d want to hurt her, and by publicly claiming her so to speak, that would certainly protect her reputation. JMO.
September 24th, 2008 17:39
Yes, she really glows when she is with him and it’s like she can’t contain her love for him. But like I said, he will eventually talk about her and we may hear from her too. Yes it would end some of the speculation.
September 24th, 2008 17:48
I see in the DM they are saying Prince Albert may marry next year. He’s got a beautiful girlfriend. Maybe there will be two weddings next year.
September 24th, 2008 18:02
If you want a little bit of cheering up go to the kate middleton section in the IF forum & read Lucy’s comments. She has made them in 3 of the threads. I don’t know whether they are true or not but she sounds positive & they are nice to read.
Also, I don’t know whether you saw the Hello Magazine acticle (in the mag not online) on the roller disco but it was a very positive article. Between that article & the one about her working so-one is putting some effort into trying to create some positive PR.
Enjoy:)
September 24th, 2008 18:09
what for, they end up bashing lucy calling her “is that all you have to say, the kate fans” roll eyes, talking about childish talk.
September 24th, 2008 18:25
Hello! is clearly a fair and reasonable publication and must be one that Kate’s “friend” felt comfortable going to when it came time to set the record straight about Kate working for her parents.
I haven’t gotten my copy yet this week but I am glad to hear they are taking The Big Picture view about the Roller Disco, which raised a heck of a lot of money for a very good cause.
Their good vibes for Kate (and vice versa) go back to the Sisterhood spread last summer (those gorgeous pictures of Kate holding an oar — if only I looked that good all hot n’sweaty
) and I would think their good relationship would continue.
September 24th, 2008 18:51
We’ll see Kate get involved in great causes. I think the Sisterhood was a good organization but there are others out there that she could help. Even if it’s just a handful that she can really focus on.
September 24th, 2008 19:17
I think the Sisterhood is still a great organisation and I don’t see why Kate couldn’t do something w/ them again. There were lots of paps at the Roller Disco, and yet Kate managed and the evening was a success, so what would be wrong with a bunch of paps whilst out rowing? The publicity helps raise awareness, and that’s always a good thing when trying to raise money for a good cause. Plus the Sisiterhood girls seemed like a lot of fun and rowing is great exercise. It’s win-win.
September 25th, 2008 01:01
Hello! magazine is hardly a reliable source. Most of their articles are very similar to the tabloids just a week late and a few extra quotes. It is a gossip magazine!
I haven’t bought the magazine yet, I’m really like Vogue at the moment, but no doubt I will get bored of it soon and move on as usual.
“those gorgeous pictures of Kate holding an oar — if only I looked that good all hot n’sweaty ) ”
Alsgal, every newspaper has admitted at least once that whilst every one else was hard at work she was just standing there do little compared to them. I’m sure that you are beautiful as well so that you could look that picture perfect if you had done what Kate was doing. I never saw her looking hot and sweaty once.
If William went out and defended Kate there would be more engagement rumours than before. Besides, they never defend themselves so why should CH or William break that rule to speak out for a girlfriend? She is just a girlfriend not a member of the RF.
September 25th, 2008 08:08
I agree. The Royals are above commenting on the daily tabloid fodder as should their girlfriends. Noone defended Chelsy either when she was made out to be the dumb party bimbo, noone defended Autumn against the alegations directed at her family, noone defended Camilla during the 10 or so years she was called names on a daily basis while the Wales’ battled for divorce etc..