Prince William has decided to shelve his plans to get married with girlfriend Kate Middleton till he completes his military training following an advice by his father Prince Charles.
“Prince Charles knows all about the pressure his son is facing to marry because he had to endure it too. He thinks William has made the right decision,” the ‘Daily Star’ quoted a family friend as saying.
But the decision has stunned Kate, who only months ago was celebrating winning the second-in-line to the British throne, back following their split.
“She was only told what his plans were for certain a short time before they were announced to the public. She’s putting a very brave face on things but it really couldn’t have worked out any worse for her.”
“What is astonishing is that he’d take his father’s advice on marriage. He’s not exactly Relate material, is he?” another friend said. Prince Charles regretted the influence his own royal responsibilities had on cutting short his career as a Royal Navy officer.
Another family friend said: “He was never happier than when he was in the Navy and he wholeheartedly supports Prince William’s decision. If the relationship with Kate is a strong one, it will wait.”
In January, William will start an 18-month training course at Royal Air Force Kinross in Scotland. And once he is qualified he’ll have to commit to at least three years in the RAF, meaning no possibility of a full-time relationship with Kate until 2013. (via PTI)
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I just hope then that if all of the speculating news of if they are or not together or broken up – and result to be together – won’t blame PW or KM for it. Like the on the rocks stories beginning this year. I guess time will tell, but then again the facts (events and pics) of both of them are telling.
Hello,
Just over a week ago I was told in passing that a very large Asian based Media and Public Relations giant was in the UK and had made contact with a European based publicist.
They have offered almost unlimited funds to get a particular story and this morning it was belatedly mentioned that it is almost definitely linked to a specific PW story with KM on periphery.
I didn’t iniially link the story with PW but now I understand the feelers are in operation and actively searching.
If anyone has news perhaps this site is as good a place to relate
Ked, have you any news on whats on the horizon for Kate? Did you win your rugby match?
It took place in a pub in Kings Road, it would be the same pub where Will goes, you know !
They have a change to married at 2013!!!! so long!!! and it’s mean at 31 years old both them recent to married!!! OH NO!! but it’s okay maybe Wills job at RAF make him can married until 2013, poor catherine he..he..or maybe Wills have contract with his office for 3 years for RAF???
Ked, oh dear I hope that doesn’t imply that a third party was behind the RAF decision.
I will continue hoping that somehow we will see William and Kate out at Boujis this week, so that once again, all will be well in Alsgal’s world.
Hello,
I first heard about it at a sports club I belong to , yes in the bar, and first thought it was a soccer story which I’m not too interested in.
I was having physio this morning and picked up the rest of the story . I don’t let on about my “other hobby” so it was just a general conversation mainly about the match last saturday and the Roller disco, just general things.
I mentioned it as a possible conversational piece as I thought peopleon here would be interested.
We get lots of reporters in , mainly to do with sport but most thigs are chatted about here and there ?
Have you heard anything ?
Not really, just the usual speculation from the press.
Ked, are you hearing that William might still be in touch w/List from Christmas?
Good thing William gets great advice from his father Charles nice to hear about it.
Will looks really handsome in that picture…I like the hat.
Not fair for KM that she will be left there just hanging around. No matter how strong the relationship is, there is a limit to everything. KM should really think whether waiting is the right choice or not because what will guarantee to her that at the end PW will marry her. What if she waits for 3 more years and at the end she doesnt marry PW and then it just means that she was just wasting her time. We all have to wait to get married but I think she already waited too much.
I also think that if PW was truly in love with KM he will give up his military career to marry her based on the fact that they have been dating for about 5 yrs and it is time for them to get marry if they really love each other, but he’s not willing to give up anything for her. KM has given up everything for him but if PW keeps having this attitude KM will dump him and he will be left alone.
Camilla got tired of waiting for PC and the same thing will happen to KM, she will get tired of waiting. PW will at the end will end up like his father, marrying the wrong person.
The article acts as if RAF Officers aren’t allowed to marry. Rot, if PW has any sense they will marry once he is on operational status. This will also have the side effect of allowing them to start married life a bit out of the public eye.
Also people are so worried about Charles not wanting to overshadowed by William & Kate. They are the ones that are encouraging them to take things to another level. The Garter ceremony is that example. They know that William & Kate have to get on with things and make this official. While he’s in the RAF he will be doing some official engagements and it seems like the plan to have Kate there with him. So let them handle this, they know what’s best for their relationship. Diana once said in a interview in 1995 that William is a deep thinker, he’s been like that since he was a child and people who know him say that he is wise beyond his years and old before his time.
Well, it certainly was mysterious how PW seemed to fall in love again with KM this past summer…
mysterious, because this followed almost a year of his frosty and sometimes nasty behavior toward her
if pw merely feigned this revived love for km these past few months, then he’s a cold, calculating sociopath
if he truly loves her but caved to family pressure, then he’s got a weak character and immature
either way, isn’t KM better off without him?
even if she might not realize this immediately?
Lol, anastasia yes I guess that would say alot about his character but none of that is true. They are fine.
I don’t think any of the papers does anything but speculate. Last year they were caught completely off guard by the break-up. Apparently noone had expected it and they were all talking about an imminent engagement. I am sure they will all be cought by surprise by the engagement announcement as well. It would be sort of funny if that comes when everyone is talking abot a break-up. That would be the reversal of last year’s events.
And that’s how it should be. How boring if everyone was expecting it to come.
Maybe the two University students have tried and the relationship is simply winding down naturally. William could be perhaps trying to find a way to end it where the press and Kate’s fans won’t go into meltdown for dumping her.
He’s 26, he may date until he’s 30 or 35, Kate needs to move on if it doesn’t appear he wants marriage.
That is something Prince Edward had a problem with. He was trying to surprise Sophie with a ring but the papers was doing so much speculation that it became hard for him. He waited for the right moment when it died down and then he surprised her. She didn’t see it coming. But it must be very hard for William to do that when Kate can read the speculation right on front of the mornings paper. She wouldn’t be surprised but tell him” I knew you was going to do that, NOTW said so.” So I’m sure he will find the time to do it right. That’s if he hasn’t done it already.
I strongly believe that PW made the right decision. I do belive that he is still young and needs to explore and be more mature in order to be able to handle the demands if he becomes the future King. I think PW needs to meet
other young women and marry until he meets
the right girl or woman. I do believe PW is very smart in making such a move to give him more time to think and enjoy his single blessedness. I do believe that PW is not only highly intelligent but emotionally intelligent as well. We do not know exactly what is happening between them but PW might have sense something with KM that is lacking – like real and deep love? like someone who is sensible and with a good head, someone humble, real and true to form?
oh!….another news to read with.
God! cant this RAF training wait for a while.
I hope to c them married happily….ever after like everybody else.
GOOD DECISON WILLIAM!!! You have so much to do before you settle down, also, How do you know that Kate is the right one for you, you’ve only dated her. I think you ought to see other people before making such a huge decision.
Good Luck.
Annie
I think William had dated several women actually. Arabella Musgrave & Jecca Craig are are two girls that I know of and I am sure there have been countless others. William is pretty smart he will figure it out
Well he actually picked the right one, that’s not my opinion but it’s a fact and he has shown us that. She will be by his side and be his support while he continues his training. Everybody have to admit that he is truly a lucky guy. This also give her time to let the public know what she’s all about. She will start showing her interest more and we can see that she wants to help bring good cheer to children in hospitals this Christmas.
They have come a long way since last years breakup. This year they have shown us that they have moved past that and looking to the future.
I don’t think he ever did really date Jecca. I know this is something that we will never truely know but CH did deny it and she had a boyfriend at the time. I don’t think (as far as I can remember) that there was any proof for them dating other than the fact that he spent the summer there, for which they could have just been friends.
Arabella Musgrave is considered to be William’s first love and his first proper, serious girlfriend. But she got fed up on his wandering eye and dumped him. So I don’t think he was very mature at the point.
Rman, how do you know he has picked the right one? I’m not saying he hasn’t but that it is presuming a lot. There are all of the old possibilities: a) it’s comfortable b)he doesn’t want to marry anyway c) he worries that he will not find another girl as most have already paired off etc etc. I won’t exhaust you with all of them as a lot are questionnable but it is possible. It is your opinion as a lot of people do not believe that he is the right girl for him and unless you know him personally, you are using the same evidence that they are.
I don’t think the royals worry too much about their image.
I agree, as long as there is no chance of the UK being made a republic, I doubt that they worry that much. Although I think the HM and PP do a bit more as they like to present a good image to the public.
That’s not my opinion B it’s what William have shown us this year. I have said this before, let William & Kate handle this they way they want to. They must have dicussed alot while they was on that long trip. It really looks like they have decided to take things to another level and mature up a bit. I really think the public was getting tired of just seeing them leave a club all the time.
That’s true, but the older royals have been alive during more political struggles than the younger generation has.
No Rman, it is your opinion because it is your opinion of an number of events and actions. Someone else may have a different view-also only their opinion. William has never said “This is the right girl for me”, therefore for you to say that it must be you interpreting actions in your way. I see it as a modern relationship but it is impossible to know if Kate is the right girl for him unless you know William personally.
Yes, we should let them handle this their own way and I have also said that many times.
However, did they discuss anything? I wasn’t aware that we heard a conversation.
It is true that everyone was fed up of them leaving clubs and they have stopped that, but I don’t think that reflects the stage of their relationship but rather the maturity and common sense of the individuals. Mature individuals do not necessarily equal a serious relationship,
B, all I’m saying is William has shown us that Kate is a very important person in his life and their love for each other is very clear. I do agree that they have taken a more mature step in things. After reading all the crazy comments about their outings at clubs, it really does seem like people are tierd of that same old thing and want to see mature outings like royal events. I’m very glad that they are changing things.
Yes the events show that he cares and loves for her but it does not show that they will marry and it does not show that she is the “right girl” or “The One” for him.
I am going to sound very hypocritical when I say this but whilst it’s great that they have started to think of their image, I did like seeing them regularly, but at the same time I don’t want them to feel harrassed. Although how a person can be harrassed when they willing went to a nightclub knowing that half the press will be there really does puzzle me, but that’s another issue completely. It’s a strange mixture of feelings, wanting them to be happy and wanting to know more. It would be great if they were happy to let us know…lol
Hey B
I didn’t know that CH had denied that he dated Jecca Craig? I thought that they had a pretend engagement??
I will continue to look for some original articles on the Internet but it did take place a long time ago so they were deleted off a lot of archives.
I’ve found a few articles but they are not the originals:
”
JECCA CRAIG: The Kenyan became close to William during his 2001 gap year. In 2003 aides denied the pair were romantically involved after rumours that William could even have proposed. The landowner’s daughter, now 25, was guest of honour at his 21st birthday party and he ran to her during his 2004 split from Kate.”
http://tinyurl.com/46wgn8
“This one, with Jessica (Jecca) Craig, 21, whom he met during his spring 2001 visit to Africa, was also roundly denied. Says a mutual friend: “It is absolute rubbish. She has had a boyfriend for more than two years.” ”
http://tinyurl.com/4lecpd
“On that occasion, he issued a statement denying any romance with her, to quash reports that they had devised a pretend engagement. He is unlikely to take this step again, recognising that this could bounce him into issuing a commentary on any friendship with an attractive girl. ”
http://tinyurl.com/4kt4wx
http://tinyurl.com/4kt4wx
“She is not the only girl to have been named as William’s first serious girlfriend — there was similar interest in Jecca Craig, who attended his 21st birthday party last summer.
On that occasion, he issued a statement denying any romance with her, to quash reports that they had devised a pretend engagement.”
I did find lots of other articles but because there was so many links my comment had to be moderated and appears to have disappeared as I can’t see it now. But this is from a reliable source so I thought it would do. I did find lots so if you do want some more I don’t mind trying to find them again.
BTW: what is a pretend engagement? I know it didn’t happen but what did the press think was going on? How could an engagement be pretend, surely it exists or it doesn’t????
Guys that retend engagement was just a rumor. They were young at the time. Too young to have anything serious.
Sorry I meant to say “Pretend.” I think Jecca Craig and William was just always friends.
More junk from the DM…it must be the weekend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1068774/Why-Williams-new-RAF-rescue-career-spell-seven-year-waity-Katie.html
Something is going on that’s for sure. IF the story is true and I say IF then maybe Kate is doing all this PR stuff to get her reputation in tack so she can move on with her life. Although I would think that would be easier in another country. The DM states that Pippa was snubbed by Princess Bea and Eugenie at Issa show. Why is Kate not out in about? I would think the press ban on her would be over if she and William broke off.
Guys, I’m still not seeing a problem.
Kate will wait happily and productively (although not reproductively!) for another six years, even after the 18 months if that’s what William needs her to do. That’s only 90 more months, provided these two don’t surprise this December.
This is true love, and it is patient and it is kind.
And this article was also written by Katie Fickle Nicholl. So, we can believe it if we want.
The article is just dumb. It makes zero sense and it’s purpose is to create drama where there is none. The premise is absurd. William is a royal and always will be first and foremost. If HM passed away in the middle of his training,William would have to leave the RAF and take his place as the POW. Moreover as we have discussed before,producing an heir is one of his duties. For William to give up on a 6 yr relationship to devote his life to his career, he would be into his 30′s with no prospect for a wife and an heir. His relationship with Kate and their ability to work around his career choice may actually be what is allowing him to fullfil his dream.
The DM really outdid themselves this weekend. The piece about Pippa at the fashion show is equally as absurd.
I agree Lisa.I thought the picture of Pippa at the Issa show showed her clearly in the front row, so there goes one “fact” up in smoke, at least that is my recollection.
It’s really been gang-up-on-the-Middletons this month in the British press. That is no way to treat the future Queen of England and her family!
alsgal I am still trying to wrap my mind around why the paps want Pippa’s picture….they are really reaching,IMO. It is too bad they are trying to drag Beatrice into this attack on Kate and her family. It is fundamentally wrong.
Lisa, it really is nasty and uncalled for. The press are trying to create news because there is none at the moment. While I know Kate will be delighted to wait all of enternity for William, and he will reward her patience and loyalty, many others are not sure. So, they speculate, and we end up with this nonsense.
If I may also point out another thing, don’t recall the article but they Duchy said a few years ago that the house at Harewood would be leased out. Everyone else just jumped to conclusions and assumed it was going to be a house for William and his bride.
So, now they are renting it out just like they always planned, it’s only Katie Nicholl who is trying to read something into it.
What does everyone make about the stuff to do with house now going up for rent. This whole thing is weird. As for the 6 year commitment this is not unusual in the military. I have several friends who are helicopter pilots and they are committed any where for 7 to 9 years. They can get married and are actually given incentives (financially) to get married and have children so that is definitely not a reason why he can’t marry Kate. If she is willing to wait and see which way the wind blows then….
Kate is a simple girl from a down-to-earth family. I don’t think she’ll have any problem whatsoever living on a base as William’s wife.
They’re going to pass through this next 18 months with flying colours, with Kate staying under the radar and almost every weekend visiting William at the Teapot Cottage at Balmoral, only an hour away from William, who will be at Kinloss.
Don’t worry, if PW can’t go to her, Kate will definitely go to him. She will keep their love strong, and he will appreciate her for it.
Actually, I found this today:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1068774/Why-Williams-new-RAF-rescue-career-spell-seven-year-waity-Katie.html
Oops never mind someone already posted it sorry!
I agree that most of the article is rehashing old information. It also says that friends of the couple commented on….. I doubt if anyone who knew enough to know what their future plans were would say anything to any reporter without CH or BP permission. Then, they would be the ones to share information. The article said that Kate would probably not want to live in military housing. How does she come up with that. I would think that since Kate is in love with William, she would go anywhere for them to be together. I think that she is guessing at a lot of things- What was discussed at Mystique, When engagement was to be announced. Anyone could have picked that up on the blogs. Again, I think that she is taking a little bit of what everyone knows and is just saying it in a little different way to have what appears to be new news. This is all my opinion. I do believe that true love will find a way.
I definitely remember seeing pictures of Pippa in the front row at the Issa fashion show. No idea what the DM are playing at… The royal reporters obviously must be desperate because most of the young royals (bar beatrice) are staying away from night clubs and bars…
Alsgal
I’m grateful for your words. I’m not going to lie all of the speculation about these two is beginning to make me panic a little. November can’t get here fast enough for me. I don’t see why people have no faith that Kate couldn’t survive as an military wife?
I have a question, although I am hopeful, would CH be obligated to announce a split if they had indeed split.
Before I begin I would just like to say one thing. I know that they say a lot in private and we don’t know but we could say that they say anything if that’s the case. It’s all very well for a person to say that they are ready and we don’t know what they say in private as long as they accept that what they are saying in private could be the complete opposite and that they aren’t ready.
Based upon that fact, I will only go by what I have seen or read as we could be here forever saying “well in private they may….”. I have just said this so I don’t get some backlash which says “we don’t know what they say in private”.
Reasons why it is unlikely that Kate will become a military wife:
A) I have seen no sign nor have I heard anything which suggests that William is ready for marriage. So why should he marry now anyway?
B) The current economic situation (which we discussed yesterday so I won’t go into it in great detail) would make it unpopular for a royal wedding to take place within the UK until about 2010-2011.
C) The marriage of Sarah and Andrew was ruined because she was a military wife. I know lots of other women are military wives but I think the extra pressure of being royal etc can put more strain on a marriage. Because of this failed marriage due to Andrew being in the military, William may not want to risk that happening within his own marriage. Which is fair enough really.
D) I presume that Kate would have to carry out royal engagements as a normal royal does, especially as she would be the future Queen. I think it would be very unfair on her if she could not have the support of her husband during this time and I would say this for any girlfriend that he was dating. I think William should be prepared and used to royal duties first so he can help a new bride. It will be harder for his bride to do royal duties and adjust than it would have been for him, so I think it would be best on both of them if he could help her.
D) Who says that she wants to be a military wife anyway?
E) This maybe controversial to say but if this move is a way of William telling Kate that he does not want to marry, and if they are about to break up. Well that’s why they won’t marry and she won’t become a military wife as they will not be dating for long.
P.S. Not sure about E myself but we have to admit that it is still a possibilty. There maybe some here which you do not think will happen or is happening but I have tried to outline ALL possibilities.
Sorry I put D twice. Whoops!
It is unlikely that CH will announce the split, as they never announced that she was his girlfriend in the first place.
If he asks her, I do see her a) HM married right after the war, very bad economical situation b) she will not be Queen, she will first be Princess or Duchess then Queen Consort c) The “Queen” did live when a Princess military life, so KM can.
Hey B
PW & KM getting married in 09 10 or 11 would actually help boost the economy IMO instead of weakening it further. Flight sales, hotel sales, restaurant sales (i.e tourism) would go through the roof.
Although the marriage for Andrew and Fergie didn’t work it did for the Queen and Prince Phillip who lived on base in Malta if I remember correctly. The military life isn’t for everyone but it maybe it would work for Kate. People have to be willing to compromise in relationships…
I like to believe that William isn’t a weak coward B and him running off to the service to avoid a marriage with Kate & create distant would be just that weak. I like to think that quite frankly that he would have the balls to say it’s over it’s not working and we need to move on…
I would say that there have been pretty big signs this year that William was prepared for change in the relationship (who knows if marriage was on the agenda I like to believe so) the garter ceremony the wings ceremony and attending peter phillips wedding without him are pretty HUGE signs B. You have to admit that he would only allow her to go to those things if he was thinking in a serious light???? How serious again who knows….
B, who is saying that they have to get married right now? From what I’m seeing is Kate will start showing her interest in charities and other organizations. It took awhile to get Camilla out there so the public could get use to her. So I think Kate will let the public get a chance to know her more better and what she’s all about. I have a feeling they have worked all this out and things are going good.
I think everyone posts with the If/when, and opinions of why yes or no.
That’s my point Rman, why now? They might not be ready hence point A and the second D.
I discussed the economy yesterday and said that as it is a global thing people would be less likely to want to travel far as it would cost more when they watch it in front of the tv and have money for thei fuel bill. It is also based on public opinion, the public would not want to see a couple go out and have a hugely expensive wedding (it is a royal one so it will be ) when they are struggling to pay their bills. A lot of people at the moment are feeling that Kate has only just started working (even some people have trouble believing that) and so she has not put anything into the economy (apart from shopping) and has not made a contribution.
As I said I am not prepared to debate this topic again as I did yesterday. If you want to know my points in more detail I suggest reading my posts from yesterday and the replies. I think it was gracie that made an excellent point as well.
Yes, they probably have worked it out but whether or not it is going well is something that we cannot be sure of. As I said we have no evidence either way.
Also people need to stop comparing them to Andrew & Sarah, they are two different people and was married in a different time. And Andrew & Sarah to this day, have not remarried nor is dating anyone seriously. They are two different people. Like I said before we just have to wait and see what happens and from what we have seen not that long ago, things are going good. I mean the guy makes one announcement and everybody thinks that is end of it all.
Um i think we do have much more evidence that all is well, then the contrary. The events and picks of this year points to the all is well. I do not agree with the PoV of a U turn with the RAF PW decission of some people (some columnists and posters view).
At the end, we will all have to wait and see what happens, or a next picture of the couple, or when PW appears with any other girl that does not belong to their very close nit circle, that to me would be evident that he or she broke up.
B
It doesn’t have to be right now I mentioned any time period between 09 and 11. I don’t know that the public would be really that opposed to it, yes these are hard economic times & yes the wedding would be extravagant but I still thing there would be plenty of people who could afford to make the trip & would be happy to see this union hard times or not. This is just my opinion..
Kate has recently taken on a larger public working role & hopefully this is her re-invention. I remember asking before but can’t remember getting an answer
Rman or Alsgal do you know how long approximately they spent on Camilla’s re-vamp was it a year six months?
Oh and B, seriously I haven’t seen a pic of her shopping in more than 1 years time.
jj, I don’t know exactully but it did take some time. We just have to them time to get to all of that. No we haven’t seen Kate out and about for some time.
So you are telling me Me, that she has not bought a single outfit for a whole year!
She has only recently started working for her parents and I said that “a lot of people are feeling that way….”. When I put across an argument I try to not make it personal, I try to discuss public opinion NOT my own.
jj, this economic problems are not predicted to end for at least 18months, more likely to 2011. That’s why I said that 2011. If you wish to know my views please look back at my posts as it will explain every question you could ask me. I don’t have time to debate the same topic again two days in a row.
We don’t have any evidence that everything is all and well. We don’t have any that it is not and that is my point. I have not seen a picture of them together for ages and certainly not one where they were looking in love. But then I have not seen a photo where they were miserable. We DO NOT know, that is what I am trying to say. We don’t know who is right at all.
No, I said exactly that I haven’t seen a pic of her Shopping in more than 1 year, which is a reply to your “apart from shopphing”.
It took the post war 30 years to get back into a healthy economy, other then the streets bombarded, people hungry and cold.
I still think that there is MORE evidence that all is well, then the contrary.
Ok B
I will take a look at your other comments going back a few days. Are you ok?? You seem so angry??
No we haven’t seen pictures of them for a while but that has been their MO for 2008. Keep their heads down and out of the papers as much as possible & although I love to know I think it is for the best.
I am very sorry, but of course we have seen pictures of them; recently and for the public. Club outing, Austrian Wedding, Mustique, PW Birthday, lots of Polo events – all these in the past 3 months.
I haven’t seen pics of H&C for a while longer, if I may make a comparisson.
I think I have also seen articles which state that Kate has a personal shopper now. It is for her own good that she isn’t seen out doing frivolous things like spending tons of money on clothes getting her hair done a couple of times a week. All of this is now completed in the privacy of her own home & away from the judgmental paparazzi!
B, calm down. lol. All we are saying is when they got back from their vacation, they showed us that everything is fine and they was happy to be back. Everybody was excited to see them and saying how great they looked and the future looked bright. He made that little annoucement and people started to think that everything is doomed. Nothing has really changed but them getting down to work. That’s it. The media is just trying to figure out what’s coming next and it’s too bad that people are thinking so ill of the relationship and there’s nothing we can do about that. The moment we see them out together again, the excitement will continue as usual. It’s going to continue to flip flop like this until they walk down that isle.
I don’t think B is angry, we all discuss passionately.
Hello,
The pressure is telling !
I read the last dozen or so posts and everyone is trying so hard to put their own personal views across and obviusly some of these views are causing a conflict between friends (?).
As I mentioned I have been out of touch but in spare minutes or so I have looked back as far as I was able and I’m sure (or not sure about some of you) that that you may be interested in what I think is a most significant pointer to what is obviously a serious matter to us all on B.R.WEDDING (?).
Consider the amount of space given to the real or otherwise snub by the two young Princesses to the sister of what we considered earlier to be the future number one lady in the land.
That two of the not too attractive members of PW’s family suddenly decide that PM sister of KM can’t sit by them.
Why ?
Now previously we have been told that PW thinks the world of his two younger cousins so perhaps they have gleaned that their cousin may be,( note may be,) moving out of an established relationship so there is no need to be nice to a member of KM’s family.
Or was it just retaliation because KM forgot (?) to invite one of them to a roller disco ?
Significant, childish or just as usual the press making something of nothing? True or not, is anyone obtusely trying to tell us something ?
I feel sure someone out there knows something and is waiting for that little bit of confirmation to spill it out.
Away from that, PM is certainly getting about even more than when she was at KM’s side during the last split. I wonder if KM is feeling very downcast at the moment PM is keeping the end up?
One thing we can be sure of is that the next time KM makes her appearance with or without him , the smile will be on , the head held high and looking $15 Million.
Whoops?
B, I am with you.
I would like to think all is fine and dandy between Kate and William as I am a fan too, but I also look at what is in front of my face. I don’t think the RF is behind this match. I say this because if she was to be a potential mate for William as we were led to believe, I honestly don’t think this Kate-bashing in the press would continue. All Kate has is her reputation and no wedding will happen if it is tarnished. The PR that Kate has put out recently does not look to have been done by a professional, hence all the changes to PP website. I think that if William intended to make Kate his wife, they RF would not have let this bad PR go on for as long as it has and I don’t think they would have recommended the 80′s theme Disco either.
She is not getting help from RF, why? I know they don’t help until the ring is on the finger, but that didn’t stop them from helping Camillia. I would say that Camilla got what she needed because of Charles, not the Queen. I don’t think William is mature enough to do this for Kate. I don’t see a man fighting for the love of his life to be in his life. I see a boy not ready to take on the responsibilites he was born to do.
The Beatrice/Eugiene/Pippa story seems so petty. Seats for and Issa show are arranged before hand as there are so many high profile individuals attending so it seems weird that Pippa and her friends would suddenly end up without seats??
There are at times friction within families. I can’t understand why Beatrice would have turned up in the first place to Kate’s event if there was trouble in willikate land. I definitely would not have gatecrashed an event I was not invited to. Then there were reports of her crying because she didn’t have the right clothes on because no one told her?? Well how on earth did she find out about the event in the first place without being told what to wear?? It doesn’t make very much sense to me??
Thanks Me
I know that I am a very passionate person and that comes across in my writing (I think it might be the Italian in me, part of my family is Italian and they are all very passionate people), but I’m not angry at all I assure you. Thank you for your concern though jj.
I do agree with you gracie and I feel we both have the same views as we like Kate but am seeing POTENTIAL troubles within the relationship. I don’t think that William is ready for marriage even if Kate is.
Ked: kate always looks fabulous even when her clothes are a little too demure, she looks very pretty. But I agree, if there are troubles she probably will show him just how wonderful and beautiful she is. I know I did when I had troubles last month with my partner.
Who can blame her?
Ked, Ked, Ked, that is a bomb you dropped on us, a very expensive bomb! Kate must have one **** of a lawyer. Was this a contract? Please tell me that this is not another Boleyn?!
Autumn
Although I like to believe all is well I have to agree with you on the points that you make about William outwardly fighting for Kate. Although I am not sure how much more serious Harry is with Chelsy there are marked differences.
Harry picks Chelsy up at the airport, Harry occasionally holds hands with Chelsy. Harry will allow Chelsy to sit front row with him at concerts. PW is a very private person but I just feel as if he publicly makes Chelsy non negotiable whereas PW seems to let Kate fend for herself.
Sorry I mean to respond to Gracie’s comment when I said autumn!!
I was day dreaming
If the Bea and Eugene story is true, then more power to the Middleton’s. The “spoiled brat” lack of manners would be a downer if you read the entire article again and where are the pics, cause Pippa seemed to be seated front row (Issa, 2 weeks ago) with a pretty blond girlfriend.
It does seem odd that Beatrice would come if not invited. She does not seem like a pushy person. But her street attire at the event does raise questions.
I think Kate actually looks like she has more fun with Harry than William anyway. Atleast she does not seem rigid with him and appears to be more of herself.
I think she still feels quite awkward when in public with William because she is on show and people look at her (or the cameras focus on her). Comfort will come with time but I do agree with what gracie has said. I don’t think we have seen the “real” Kate when she is with William.
gracie,
If you think KM seems happier with PH think back a few months.
Who has KM seemed happiest with and incidentally at her most attractive when with him ?
Thomas.
How’s that for another bomb gracie?
jj, there is so much tabloid gossip out there, it’s not even funny. And you are so right, none of it makes sense. Gracie, if the royal family wasn’t behind this match, that girl wouldn’t have got anywhere near of their family events. What was very significant for both Kate & Chelsy was The Phillips Wedding. They could have sat with all the other guest but no, they sat with the royal family. Three rows behind THE QUEEN. Kate did not sit with the guest at The Order of The Garter but with Prince Harry and went to The Garter Lunch. But I guess if William & Kate had not gone to that wedding and had gone to Balmoral last month, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Again we will flip flop like this until they finally walk down the isle.
The private birthday party pics of PW and Kate dancing are their real self (both) and some zoomed in photos under a tent at Polo
(I wonder who spilled the pics, Pelly or Thomas ?)
The last time Thomas was seen with Kate was in Cheltenham (March ?) not a bomb at all.
You are right B, it will take her some time to adjust. Ked you will never let go of that Thomas thing will you?
Ther may fool you guys but I can just tell that when out of the publics view W&K go crazy over each other. At Camilla’s birthday party, one guest said they danced with each other the whole time and he couldn’t take his eyes off of her. Of course we saw his birthday pictures and they really seemed to be into each other and having fun. At The Garter ceremony, she stood there smiling with joy as if she said to herself “that’s my baby”. There is so much love between them it’s not even funny. The Queen & Philip acts distant with each other but you can tell that there’s love present. So don’t let them fool you.
Rman,
Remember the events you mention are all before the bomb , and I don’t know what to expect if/when we see them together next.
Yes Rman I have mentioned TvS a few times because I saw them together at The Africa Show.
If you think they looked happy in the shots shown, believe me if one didn’t know their respective positions one could very easily have thought they were The Couple and comments were passed by many present.
Sorry Rman for this seond post but I missed your last one.
Yes KM was joyful but did you see it reciprocated ?
Obviously that may well be because PW is very reserved so perhaps one can’t read too much into it.
However, why be a stuffed shirt. If one is happy to show it why not the other ? Is it just reserve or does he just act with abandon when with others as per Bournemouth photograph with two partners ?
If the answer is , well he was drunk then, think how distant he looked with KM when he was drunk coming out of night clubs.
The same thing could have been said about Harry & Kate. At the Garter ceremony, they looked very close and very playful.
Ked,
Another bomb might be the information that Thomas or Tom Van Straubenzee is currently dating Melissa Percy, George Percy\’s sister. And for those who don\’t know, George is Pippa\’s ex-flatmate from uni. George\’s father is the current Duke of Northumberland, and George is his heir.
I\’ve always felt that Kate looks very relaxed and comfortable whenever she\’s around Tom V-S, and at one time I even felt that Tom might be the first guy Kate would turn to if she and Wills didn\’t work out, but then I realised that that might be emotionally upsetting to William, because Wills and Tom are really close. Now that Tom is with Melissa though, Kate definitely can\’t turn to him if things don\’t work out with William.
But truthfully, I don\’t think Wills and Kate are having any problems. We just saw photos of them on 5th Sept. and 6th. Sept at Chiara Hunt\’s wedding in Austria, and they looked great together and happy with each other. Wills was even photographed with a tender expression on his face, and there have been 2 reports from different news sources that stated Harry said that his brother was \”in love\” and \”sappy in love\” in \”a nice way\”. I know those news tidbits are just as likely to be as true or as false as any other news tidbits that people choose to believe, but I don\’t see any real reason why Harry couldn\’t have said those things.
I think William and Kate are in love with each other, and I think that\’s the reason why he reconciled with her and has continued to be with her ever since. I think some people on some other websites are going to find out they jumped to wrong conclusions regarding the demise of William and Kate\’s relationship.
Whether the people I\’m thinking of will be happy or sad or indifferent when they find out still remains to be seen, but I do think the claims that the relationship has ended are wrong.
That’s how William is, he is really reserved. Some may say he acts like “his s..t don’t stink” but he’s just that way.
I think he looked happy dancing with her and in some very close, another picture that stricked me was when she was whispering under the tunt to him, his face, what a glow. And the pics that Mapleleaf described, which where very recently.
Maple, thanks for the info on TVS and Miss Percy, I didn’t know that.
Mapleleaf I’m so glad you said that. The RAF announcement really through everyone off, even the media. They don’t know what’s going on so now all you are reading is doomed conclusions. Which is sad. But there are so many out there that are pulling for them like we all are.
I remember that picture, I never seen them like that before. Then she kissed his hat. That’s why I say, they don’t fool me.
It wouldn’t surprise me either if Harry said that. He said once, referring to Camilla “I love her to bits”.
B – what do you mean by the “real Kate”?
Do you think they are engaged and not telling the media??
I look at their eyes. Sounds strange, but the Chinese have been doing it for centuries. “Eyes are the window to ones soul.” I look at the picture from Austria when Kate is hugging Chiara (you have to blow up the one from HELLO on teamhighgrove) and I see tears in Kates eyes. Some were tears of joy for a friend finding happiness, it might. But I see tears of sadness, perhaps because hers is a life unspoken. Photo are very telling if you look at the right spots. Eyes never lie. JMO.
So is TvS not w/MP? She is cute a button.
M-leaf, I hope that I am wrong and reading to much into things. I think Kate would be a fantastic addition to the RF and I bet she would work alot harder than Camilla.
cute as a button!
Hello,
Mapleleaf,
Yes I know about Melissa and who she is, and that PM and Geo were quite a big item at Edinburgh before the spring of 2007..
I didn’t want to imply that KM and TvS were or should be a couple, I only said what I saw and the reaction others had of it. It has also been said on other occasions that they laugh a lot together and obviously enjoy one anothers company.
PW’s expessions of happiness while rare indeed are usually expressed when with other people which may just be his reserve about his private life but that doesnt help KM’s position which she may well accept.
I think we should all possibly take a step back and wait and see what happens but a gut feeling is , well another ” CPB” because there is a lot of history and affection between PW/KM but he will not go against the RF IF there is aminosity towards KM but someone must protect KM and her reputation because ‘they’ are not bothered.
I completely understand what you mean about Kate and Thomas Ked. I have often seen them in photos and thought that they look more like a couple than Kate and William do. It doesn’t matter if TvS has a girlfriend, Kate has William and that still does not stop him and Kate looking like a couple.
In those pictures I just saw a guy who was very happy (it was his birthday) and she was whispering something to him not kissing his hat. Who kisses their bf’s hat?!? He was laughing and smiling at something that she had said that’s all. I think too much has been read into that.
Who’s PM and Geo?
Philippa (Pippa) George Percy
Gracie they was very happy when they was at the wedding and the really lit things up at the reception. I mean these two really spent some great time together and now they are busy. Like alsgal said, once we get a appearence from them everybody will get excited again.
B,
I wouldn’t say PM smiled when KM whispered something to him.
It looked more like his jaw dropping and his mouth opened.
Check the picture!
If PM is not Pippa Middleton, who is a “him” PM. I’m lost.
Ked, she probably told him what his present will be. If you know what I mean.
Really, I have to say I thought he was laughing when his mouth was open. I’ll have a quick look back. Do you think she said something shocking then? Hang on…I’ve just read your post again. PM is a he? I was on about Prince William. Who is PM if not as Me said Pippa???
I just haven’t seen what you have Rman, I didn’t see them “light” the reception up at all, in fact I thought he looked distracted. Sometimes I really wish I did see it the way you do Rman, it would be so much simpler to have a steady and strong belief like you do.
Rman: with all his friends around? There was one man sitting right next to them. If she said it there, then she has less subtlety than I thought. There is a time and a place and that would have been inapporpriate. That’s why I doubt it was that.
Quote:
“He also released a Fabulous Fashion Independents list although they were not ranked. He included Reese Witherspoon, Jemima Khan, Beyonce, Angelina Jolie, Helen Mirren, Nicole Kidman, Katie Holmes, Kate Middleton, Madonna and Cate Blanchett.
He even mentioned Queen Elizabeth who, Blackwell said, “managed to update her Stonehenge of Style image”.”
http://tinyurl.com/4wgfbn
Gracie
You make an excellent point. If the Royal Family had not given Kate Middleton or Chelsy their approval there is no way they would have been sitting three rows behind the Queen. I need to go back and look at the pictures at the Chiara Hunt wedding. I didn’t realize that Kate was crying. That being said I always cry/have tears in my eyes at weddings!
B,
That’s what I admire most about Rman, he is consistant and remained loyal in all circumstances and under huge presure.
He can stand at my back anytime.
Cheers Rman
yeah, i agree there ked. We might not always agree but I cant help but admire the guy’s determination.
I didn’t see the happiness in the photos in Austria. I saw Kate smiling and William looked annoyed. When he touched Kate shoulder, it didn’t look of love to me, it looked like a child trying to get their mother’s attention, but does not want to anger her. He looked timid to me.
Ked, who is PM dating?
Apologies gracie.
For” PM smiled” read “PW smiled”
Sorry
that’s exactly what I saw gracie, I thought he looked a bit irritated and distracted.
Thanks Ked for clearing that up
I still think it looked like he was laughing. I can’t think of any reason why he should be shocked (I doubt Rman’s theory for the above reasons).
Ked, I knew what you meant. I am asking about PM and who she is dating?
& the irritation could easily have been because he realized people were taking pictures. Look also back at the ski trip earlier on in the year. There is one picture that I remember clearly that they are hanging on to the lift thing and William looks miserable and Kate is smiling at the camera. He hates the paparazzi as we all know..
I’ll try to find the photograph
Guys I just want you all to know that I wouldn’t spend my time sticking up for them if I didn’t believe in them. I’m a guy who believe’s in love. There is a little of it going around today. There’s something very special about them. It’s not a fairytale but something real and solid. I remember the breakup last year and both of them really tried to look like they had moved on but they knew that wasn’t true. The song that was dubbed William & Kate’s song was (Back for Good by Take That). They are drawn together by a greater force not of this world. There’s hope for these two and that is something we need to restore in the human heart, HOPE.
I think Kate would have a more rewarding and happy life with a rich, titled, man. But if she and William were over, would the rich, titled, men want her?
B, I said he was smiling in the picture. He really did look happy.
I’m with you Rman
Titled or not, that woman deserves a good man. I mean you just don’t let something like that go. I mean she could knock you across the head with a baseball bat, you don’t get upset but just say, “that’s okay baby, you didn’t hurt me.” lol.
Rman, the world would be a better place if we all believed in love. I don’t think William has much of choice really unless he fights for her. I don’t see that happening cause its not happening now. I always thought it was very telling that he would not allow her or her family to sit w/him at Diana Concert. Harry let Chelsy family sit with him. I would feel like crap, if I was Kate sitting in the back when Chelsy gets to sit w/Harry. IMO that’s not a good way to repair a broken relationship. Pelly got better seats than Kate and her family! Kate needs a mature man, a little older than her, with more hair.
Thanks Me, I think it’s hard for people to believe that he’s happy.
I think the Diana Concert thing (and I a hope I am not contradicting myself) was an occasion where they were trying to play it cool. They had broken up only to resume the relationship very shortly afterward and a public split had been announced. IMO they may have wanted the secrecy to last for a couple more weeks so they could enjoy the relationship without the speculation.
Harry if he was in the same situation might have handled it differently. He may have said sod the public let them deal with it. William who is always conscious of public opinion held back on that occasion.
Gracie, that is funny. I don’t think they wanted too much attention on them, which was a dumb moved beacuse it really didn’t work. Harry & Chelsy was kissing alot as well, I mean I haven’t seen that much face eating since The Silence of The Lambs.
Rman, maybe you are the man for Kate! When a man is in love, their eyes dance. William’s don’t and really Kate do not either. I am not saying they didn’t at the begining, but I don’t see it now.
I agree that he could handled it better but no one is perfect… I do think it is hard for a lot of people to believe that he is happy but hopefully that is what is going on!
Gracie
Both pictures on his birthday with her whispering in his ear and them dancing together shows to me a man and woman in love. There was a lot of dancing going on in the eyes in those pictures. If you also remember the description of the pictures which were stolen from Pippa Middleton. The Sun journalist purported to have seen many many pictures from their holiday together looking indeed very very much in love. We can’t tell but someone else did!
I don’t think they will announce a split publicly like last time. William got beat up by the press and I am sure CH does not want to add more fuel to the fire.
Gracie, that a bit too funny. We shall sew what happens next but I have to face that peole are writing them off now. I personally the public is tierd of them and this flip Flopping around.
JJ, I agree the photos of them dancing look intimate a his b-day party. But he was drinking and he also looked that way when he danced w/the blonde girl at that wedding.
jj, if those picture would have gotten out, we wouldn’t be having this coversation. That’s the problem, the public want’s to see more and we aren’t getting that. That’s why I think they are waiting a bit and will give the public more soon.
I still do not think we will get photos from Charles b-day of them, maybe William and Harry. They are going to want to keep the focus on Charles so I would imagine we will read about it.
Whatever happened to Will & Liz?
I beg to differ. Look at the difference in the pictures Gracie. He looks wasted but having fun in the pictures with the blonde.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513186/Prince-William-whirl-mystery-blonde.html
JJ,
I think you are absolutely correct when you say that PW is too conscious of public opinion and when reminded about it by CH slaves in June 2007 and by PH telling him at the night club that senior officers were disgusted at his behavior and how he had treated KM he did something about it .
He persuaded a reluctant KM, who had seen her parents humiliated publically, to make up but then appeared to set out to make her finish with him and reverse the publics view of him.
When you look at the way he treated her from August to December 2007 it was embarrassing to watch.
It didn’t quite work out for him because at end Jan , Feb 2008 he seemed to change his attitude to her and they looked like they did when at Aberdeen.
Sorry didn’t mean to go on as the story is well known but I hope this isn’t the culmination and KM decides under the greatest provocation, to walk away and satisfy those who set up the scheme initially. PW included.
By the way I am still convinced that an engagement announcement has been just hours away at least twice over the past months but “something” got in the way literally at last minute and that last “something” may only have been a few weeks ago.
Me,
Supposedly Pippa is now dating Billy More-Nisbett, a Scottish aristo. In the recent photos taken last weekend Pippa is shown leaving Boujis with a blonde guy. That blonde guy is Billy More-Nisbett.
So I guess she isn’t dating George anymore. But I think Billy is a bit better looking than George anyway, although George’s family has a higher rank than Billy’s. I believe Billy’s father is a Baronet.
mapleleaf,
Baronet’s are small change these days believe me and most hav ebeen thrown out of the House of Lords!?
So Ked
I guess you are with the school of thouht that they are on the outs??
Ked, that’s really sad. If true, did she not know about the scheme? Well that sounds alot like what the RF did to get rid of Koo-Stark, and he became her childs godfather. What will KM do now, do you think she has a special someone in mind?
It’s just a sad thing you know. It’s like William & Kate will never win. Although these two are very much together. It’s just sad that people are always doubting them.
Rman, I would be very happy if they shocked us all and announced an engagement. Now when everyone thinks it won’t happen, it could not be a more perfect time. What’s sad is that if what Ked has mentioned could be true, then William is not the man that Diana had tried so hard for him to be. Kate reputation has been tarnished and possible done w/the intention to make William look better. I hope Ked is wrong and I am wrong.
Gracie, Kate is a shining English rose and will come out on top no matter what that darn cad does to her, trust me on this.
However, I think a lot of people are jumping the gun here. Be patient, folks, we are going to get a sighting any day now of Kate looking VERY happy and contented, and later, we will hear the reports of how loved up they were at PC’s private birthday party. Of course, we would all like to see the pictures of that, but something tells me we won’t, which makes sense, as that is a private party. It would be silly to expect to see pictures of Kate and William at a PRIVATE party, now wouldn’t it.
BTW thanks to Clarence the Fifth Beatle for the email informing me that Kate will not be staying at the Teapot Cottage whilst William is training at Kinloss, but rather their cottage called Tam O’Shanter on the Balmoral estate. Clarence, you are da man, as they say!
I know Gracie I hope that all the speculation is wrong. I just can’t imagine William hurting her this way. That’s why I think something good is going on behind the scenes. I just don’t believe William would do that.
Neither do I. Alsgal nice to hear from you when the situation room here and there get sticky.
ked,pardon me but where are you getting all this BS?Come on man, if you have some factual information, say it. But please stop with the innuendos and hints. In just this thread alone, you have insinuated that William cheated, treated Kate badly, that Kate achieved some sort of payoff and it goes on and on…if you have inside information either share it for keep it to yourself before these little hints end up in the DM and make this situation with the press all the more worse.
Its very difficult L, many posters have similar to worse hints, and they will probably end up in the DM.
and I’m afraid this will bring a snowball between posters, which I think if you are the same L I know from elsewhere, you do have inside knowledge – the people you hang out with.
Anyway, like Rman, Alsgal and L, I think people should try their hardest to not give such hints, real people we are talking about.
Me,I believe that even though we as “faceless” posters on a forum that we can exit at any time, that we do have to be responsible for our words, suggestions and accusations. We are discussing real people here not fictional characters in some movie or TV show.
Yes I understand.
The search & rescue training takes place at the Valley base in Wales. At Kinloss they do have a search & rescue team, but it’s not where the training takes place.
C,thats good information. Thanks!
I believe that Prince Charles recently completed home in Wales is quite close to that location. This would provide secure housing for William and Kate if they so choose while he is training and in turn would keep them out of the glare of the media nd the paps.
lisa.
The house `in Wales is in South Wales in the Wye Valley near Hereford.
Valley RAF base is on the Isle of Anglesey very near to Holyhead, in North Wales
The two places are diagonally across the Principality, about 160 miles by road (bad roads), and 120 miles by Helicopter.
lisa,
Yours at 20.00 on 7th.
Photographed with two young ladies, PW hands inappropriately placed
Another escorted from his room in barracks at 4.00am.
Many instances of his ignoring KM;
Bluebird Photographic show, arrived late with Pelly, Holly Branson and other, then left early for night club with same group leaving KM to go home alone.
Did not invite her to a single event whilst other Royal G/Fs,BFs were present.
Invited Camilla and familly to Dinner prior to Christmas and did not include KM (Charles backed out last minute in support
Never implied KM was paid off in fact I have defended her when she was called Gold digger.
Please get your facts straight and provide some useful comments for discussion not plagiarised comments from other sites and endless meaningless platitudes.
All that I provided was a resume of postings already made here preveiously.
Please read and understand
ked, my comments are mine and mine alone. Your rehashing the past,regurgitating tabloid crap and continueing to throw out innuendos. Whatever occurred between PW and KM in 2007 must have resolved itself to both their liking because from what I can see,they have had a good year in 2008 and the rest is their business. Your opinion or mine does not matter and has no bearing on the outcome. You comment about KM going out looking like “$15 million” was offhanded and hinted at some sort of payoff,IMO. Sorry, I call it like I see it.
I wish them both the best of luck whether they work it out or not.
lisa,
Then get your facts straight bbefore coming on here and throwing out what you call hints.
Your three earlier comments contain many phrases made by others in previous comments.
Check them.
Obviously you are unable to put down your own thoughts but repeat what othere have said.
That is just a little bit sad and before making comments in future chech to see who has said them previously.
????
Lisa when ked was saying that Kate would look like £15 million, he wasn’t talking about a payoff at all.
Here in England particularly around the South, there is an expression which is “she looked like a million pounds”. It means that she looked fantastic like she had spent that much money on her. Ked exagerrated it to say that she will look like 15 million pounds!
Honestly, at this point, I don’t think anyone has the facts straight.
Most of it is coming from the tabloids and I think there’s more fact in Harry Potter than there ever are in the tabloids.
OK, getting a little heated – please keep it civil…
I see, ked, you are still spewing the same old tabloid stories from over 1 1/2 years ago and your vivid imagination and you have the nerve to call it facts…
Here’s what the young lady who was allegedly invited to William’s barracks had to say:
“Lisa, who is studying to be a sound engineer, also dismissed claims made in the Sunday Mirror that the Prince had asked her to go back to his barracks at Bovington after the night out in Elements.
“That’s a total fabrication,” she said. “They have made it out to be something totally different to what it was. They seem to be trying to dish the dirt when there is no dirt to dish.”
http://www.thisisdorset.net/mostpopular.var.1284872.mostviewed.theres_no_dirt_to_dish.php
While the articles about bluebird all mention that William arrived late and hima and Kate left separately, there was not a single mention of William going to a nightclub after the bluebird exebition without Kate…to the contrary he reportedly had diner with the whole Middleton family….there are also no pictures of him out partying that night that I could find…
He was at Embassy night club alone November 17 for a children in need fundraiser but the bluebird thing took place November 28.
Here are some links:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570893/Kate-Middleton-puts-on-a-show-for-Unicef.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-497373/William-Kate–mystery-giant-diamond-ring.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23423789-details/First+great+picture+show+from+curator+Kate/article.do
Steven, my apologies for my part in this heated discussion. I feel quite strongly that facts should be honored when dealing with the lives of real people and as Apryl has so accurately stated, these are so few facts we have to work with at this point. Trixie,thanks for the research and your attention to detail.
Hi lisa,
No worries. It’s the lack of real news that’s driving everyone crazy!
I just felt the comments were starting to get a little bit heated – not singling anyone out.
Steven
B, I think your correct about Ked’s comment too. He was talking about how great she would look!
True, but other hints where exposed.
Anyway, I just received mail from Party Pieces and the staff is working hard and discounts for Haloween.
Any plans, anyone ? Trick or Treat.
Lets hope PP sells alot of stuff for Halloween. With all this press attention I hope it has not hurt their business. Of course, the economy does not help matters either. Remember last year Kate went to a Halloween party dressed as a witch. I wonder if she will go out this year?
I wonder the same thing Gracie but she is now doing a great job with keeping a low profile and taking her image to another level, she may not go to a public Halloween Party but private one.
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iHE6eYKEFvBW4UsXPQiEQPatX10Q
I thought all the talk about their biking tour was just press fodder but it turns out to be true after all:
“Prince William and Prince Harry are to take part in a gruelling off-road motorcycle rally in aid of charity, Clarence House announced.
The royal brothers will travel to South Africa later this month for the Enduro Africa 08 event.”
Thanks Trixie, great news
Wow, it’s amazing that there hasn’t been any big royal news in awhile. I guess they are tierd of coming up with one.
I guess I spoke too soon. lol
That is great news, I just like seeing them doing great things like this.
http://tinyurl.com/3r4szl
Video for you all. It should go with the Will’s cup of tea article.
Thank You B for that video. I’m glad Vicky Ward did that video about Kate and she was so right in saying that she still remain unknown to many. Which is a big problem that I know they will address soon enough but It still amazes me that he found someone like that when sometimes it takes years to find a woman like Kate. It also show along with the artical how special she is in his life and how his family know that she is very special to him. Also very important, that Vicky Ward address that all the so called “royal snobbery” was from coutiers.
There’s a YouTube Video of the doc called Charles, The Private Man, The Public Role. The video has 12 parts but only for are up at the moment, i’m sure the rest will be added soon. It was in 94, I believe and it shows Charles doing his duties and expressing his views on how he wants to help others. It also show The Princess of Wales with him at a reception. Boy do I miss those two together. Here is the link, enjoy the four video’s and I’ll look out for the other one’s when it comes up.
http://tinyurl.com/54y6qr
Oh wow, thanks Rman, never seen it before.
I don’t think I understand your point Rman, when you say that it has taken him years to find a woman like that. Do you mean a woman who is discreet and quiet? Because I think of lots of women who would not spill the beans as such on any romance. Maybe it is because of the people I mix with but the general idea amoung us is that relationships are very private. Maybe I misunderstood your point and have just rambled about something unrelated. Lol
Thanks for the other video and you are welcome for the first one.
Your welcome.
No what I meant was sometimes it takes years for any guy to find women like that. She hasn’t put a foot wrong and she is liked by many. But like Vicky Ward said, we still have to get to know her. How do you think the public got a chance to know Diana before she became a member of The Windsor clan?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1073890/William-Harry-plan-Ewan-McGregor-style-charity-motorcycle-marathon-Africa.html
The DM’s take on the Africa trip. Of course they have to play the money card and call it a “holiday”…
Thank you for the video links!
The Sun motorbiking in Africa story is from Duncan Larcombe, who broke the news of the W&K split in April, 2007 and who also participated in the Pippa pics sting op. This isn’t new news though, as I thought this was already mentioned in the DT a month ago or so? Or was it the Mail? Forgive me, Alsgal is having a senior moment.
Anyhoo, it seems like a terrific thing to do, and I’m glad William and Harry can be together for this. It sounds like great fun, and will benefit many people, so best of luck to them!
DL at the Sun said the trip should start later this month — so I am wondering if that will be before the 29th Bond premeiere or just after?
I wonder if Kate might not be tagging along in secret, maybe even donning a motorcycle helmet and wearing her hair up so as not to give away her identity? Is anyonee going, Pelly or van Erdbeereman?
Alsgal
This is definitely old news. This was reported months ago but never officially confirmed by CH until now. If you look back at old posts on the other website that you comment on Alsgal you will in the April 1st archives that John has an entry discounting it as “This expedition is probably the reality behind an earlier story that the two Princes were going to ride motorcycles down the length of Africa in the manner of a recent television programme.
That always seemed far-fetched, like a plan dreamed up over a few drinks only to prove unworkable late”
So as you can see Alsgal even John gets it wrong sometimes….
Woops ?!
JJ, thanks for the info and let’s hope John has got it wrong about William bolting from Kate.
My only hope is that if true, at the very least William will find a Caroline, Charlotte, Clementine or Camilla to marry so my personalised W&C lawnchair was not in vain.
I was just looking into the African motorbike tour & I think that Harry & William must already be out in Africa. I found a blog of some-one who is doing the trip & it appears to have already started. See
http://enduro-africa-2008.blogspot.com/
Is you cross check that with the official itinerary then they must be on day 7 already (out of a total of 12). So if PW & PH are to do 6 days then they must be there already
http://www.enduroafrica.com/itinerary.htm
The reason why we (the public) are being told so late is probably to reduce the security risk. The trip should be over by this Sunday.
Also, on another (more cynical) note, IF PW has split up with Kate then from a PR point of view this event is good timing for him. As his first appearance after all the press speculation will be doing some-thing for charity, which should put him in a good light & deflect from his personal life .. .. I so hope that this isn’t true & that Kate is there at the finishing line cheering him on ….
Hahahaha
The good old lawn chair. Well who knows Alsgal, it maybe months before we figure out what is really going on. I can see why the panic started, it was the first thing that I thought of when the announcement about the RAF was made. I too am hoping that Kate will pop up in Africa somewhere along their bike trip it would be even better to see her riding along side him (but I don’t see that happening) although it would definitely raise the publicity for the event enormously.
Did I ever mention that I hate waiting.. Kate must have the patience of a saint!
Okay, thanks Rman I wasn’t sure
Well I think the report said that the race is currently going on but they will join it later this month. So I do expect some coverage on the event and more press reports.
The event is only on for 12 days (UK to UK) so they will have to go out quickly as by my reckoning it finishes this Sunday.
It wouldn’t surprise me though that they only announced their involvement after they’ve arrived as it reduces the time available for anyone to plan an attack. As has been mentioned before the security risk is probably quite high.
I’m also looking forward to some interviews and pictures
Thanks for the links, H. So this is taking place this week. Even better! Pics galore soon!!
So they might be there now?
They are almost certainly there now – in terms of timing, Harry went to the funeral on Friday and then I would guess that they flew out over the weekend. Harry wasn’t seen over the w/e was he?
H, no not that I am aware of. Went to the web sites you gave us and it looks to be a very grueling journey. Some people have broken arms and dehydration! All for a good cause though. I agree that this could not be at a better time for William IF a breakup is true.
One girl is hospitalized – spine, yikes
Me, read that too. I guess she hit a cow. Then they have to deal w/snakes. It will be tough that for sure. I wonder if we will get pic today of other royals out and about, especially at night to deflect attention away from William and Harry?
It would be nice if the girls went down there to support them. I guess that would put things in it’s place.
This is pure speculation & is likely to be 100% wrong, but I was checking some dates & order of things happening & I have a possible alternative view of the current course of events;
In August as well as Kate getting hammered for “waiting” & not working; PW also started getting negative articles for not pulling his weight and having lots of holidays (this really started happening after the helicopter jollies in May). But in August both of their reputations weren’t looking good. Doing another series of secondments “king training” was hardly going to improve his reputation as he is unlikely to be king for 15-20 years and he can hardly be a “king in waiting” for that long. So he (probably with advice) decided the best thing to do was to do a real job for a few years, something which he could be enthusiastic about & one that would also help others. So in terms of course of events;
2nd sept; “Hello” article about Kate working. When you read this article it’s stance is really about the author saying that Kate is working & isn’t waiting around for PW. It also clearly states that she will continue to work. Well she can hardly do that if an engagement is imminent & my guess is that Kate knows at this point about PW’s decision & wanted to get her position clear in advance
6th Sept; Wedding in Austria. In the articles about this we start hearing about the “18 months that it will take before a UK royal wedding”
6th Sept; Motorcycle trip rumoured
Mon 15th; Search & rescue announcement made. PW has now already back to work
Tues 16th; Royal Wedding on hold article in the Sun; it again suggests a 2 year wait for the wedding
Weds 17th; Roller Disco, which should be a positive news story for KM. Now it is odd that they choose to announce the Search & rescue before the Roller Disco given that CH / PW must know the press frenzy / speculation that it would start. What I did think of was that this was done deliberately. When you look at the pictures of KM on that night she looks really happy & she is wearing the ring (I’m not sure what this ring is but other people seem to think that it is special). Kate could be signalling I am fine with this decision & we are ok
w/c 22nd Sept; positive article in Hello magazine re; the roller disco. It was unusual for Hello in that it wasn’t just re-gurgitated from other sources but they had actually interviewed people for it & it was very positive for Kate.
All of the bad press that week they obviously hadn’t planned for!!
w/c 29th Sept; changes to the Party Pieces website, Vanity Fair article & mini PR blitz to get across the message that Kate is really working
w/c 29th Sept; Details emerge of PC’s 2nd birthday with KM included in the names of people invited. Now there were a number of people mentioned that would be attending & it “felt” authentic. KM must still be “in” enough to be invited
w/c 6th Oct; PW & PH do motorcycle trip (positive PR for William).
All of this would tie together with a decision for PW to work for a few years in S&R; for a wedding to happen in 18 months time after his training has completed and in the mean time there will be an ongoing campaign to improve both of their images in advance of the wedding.
Or alternatlvely this could all be wishful thinking on my behalf to try to be positive. You could atually look at this timeline & say that PW decided to split with KM at the beginning of Sept & both parties are trying to put themselves in a better light.
I am interested in knowing what others think. You can tell that I’m not busy enough at the moment, I’m spending far to long on the internet
H, That is what I’m truly thinking. I’m telling you something good is going on behind the scenes. They are both trying to improve their images and you can just tell by Kates face at the Disco event that things are fine. They did a good job on getting it out there that Kate is working. We have been saying that it needed to be seen that she is working. I think we will see things happen differently now. It’s like Kate is letting her sister do some appearences and she will come out for important things. They came up with some kind of plan over this summer and I personally think it’s working. You see, the media, tabs and some of us bloggers thought William was going to finish up his training this year and become a full working royal next year. That would have made the way for a wedding. But when he announced to further his training, the media came up the thought he is putting Kate to aside and possibly the relationship was heading for splitsville. But I have said all along that something else is going on and the whole split thing isn’t in the cards but Kate accepting the wait and they are both getting on with improving their images and getting Kate out there so the media and public can know what she’s about. It’s great that William is furthering his training for his future position. It may be a 18 month wait but Kate is trying to let us know she’s not going anywhere and things are fine. Her family really helped her to get that out there.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/video/2008/middleton_video200811
Rman, H, I hope you are right! So when do you think an engagement announcement could happen?
Nice PR from Vanity fair
H, are you thinking what I’m thinking — that the inside Palace source who said at the time of the Austrian wedding that a W&K wedding was at least 18 months out might have been referring to William’s not-yet-announced 18 month SARF training?
Although 18 months from the Austrian wedding would be a bit off as William’s 18 month SARF training doesn’t begin until January.
Yes, it all might be wishful thinking but I still don’t see why many think William’s RAF commitment cannot accomodate Kate, that it was a vote against being with her.
I think he can have both his career and Kate.
Eighteen months to rehab the image of both, then mega wedding, then cosy little life on or near the base for three years, wherever that may be. Sounds like a perfect plan IMO.
JJ, Kate has the patience of a saint because she is a saint.
Lisa, I know you are a big Kate fan like I am but I felt the VF article wasn’t really that kind to Kate. Perhaps I am too sensitive, and just a wee bit too adoring, but to compare the Middletons to the Bouvier sisters is not very nice (social climbing golddiggers said many of Jackie and Lee.)
It sounded almost like Kate carries William’s gonads around in her handbag, so “whipped” and ineffectual is he — which is not at all like the strong and sometimes independently macho bachelor William that we know and love.
So when will the engagement be, if the wedding is 18mo out?
Gracie I have always thought that a announcement should surprise us not for us to know when it’s coming. I have no idea. I thought Prince Albert was going to announce his engagement. What happened to that?
Alsgal, I don’t think that is ruled out, I think it will include her whenever. I think he can have both too alsgal.
I thought the VF was ok, it was not over the top either way. Most importantly, it was a extensive backround piece and even though some of the content was questionable, it is important that she gets “mainstream” PR. The video was good,IMO. There is an excitement building within the mainstream media regarding William and Kate. JMO. We will have to see how it all plays out.
That’s the problem Alsgal, I never thought of Jackie & Lee as social climbing but two lucky women.
Alsgal, “gonads in a handbag” needs to trademarked! Hilarious!
Quote from alsgal:
“JJ, Kate has the patience of a saint because she is a saint.”
I am not against Kate in any way but to compare her to a saint is wrong. She is not a saint at all and has made many mistakes. I am religious and I am sorry but I do not like that statement as Kate is no saint. I am not saying she is not a good person but saints have to have done more than slept with a Prince and waited for ages without telling anyone any information.
I’m afraid that I don’t know enough about Jackie and Lee to be certain about this, but if Jackie dated and married a person above her class, well isn’t Kate dating and trying to marry someone above her class?
So if one is a social climber, why isn’t the other?
B
Please don’t take this the wrong way but sometimes I think you take things too personally/seriously. I am also very religious and it didn’t offend me at all. If I think she is a saint of if Alsgal thinks she is a saint it is a personal opinion or a personal statement.
It’s not meant to upset you specifically. This is supposed to be fun. I hate that we have to defend everything we write to you because you take offense.
As for social climbing. I would assume that most people aspire to do better in life. What’s wrong with that??
JJ, I completely agree and there is nothing wrong with aspiring to a better life at all — it’s the story of human evolution.
If it wasn’t for that first ambitious caveman, we’d all be sitting on the ground around a fire tonight, eating lion a***.
PS I’m not going to walk on eggshells just because a few posters here are easily offended and take everything literally.
That’s right Alsgal, I can’t wait for this months race. It’s great to see William & Harry out raising money for charity. I hope they take the girls along.
Rman are we sure this is actually happening? Did CH announce it?
Well The Associated Press is confirming it and SkyNews reporting it to be true. CH hasn’t put anything up yet.
cool,I wish them luck.
You don’t have to explain or defend yourself to me at all. In fact I spend half my time on here re-reading my posts because I know that sometimes I would be ripped apart if I posted that.
I have a problem with putting Kate on a pedestal which she does not deserve that is all.
Good bye.
Hello,
I was interested in ‘H”s posing as his analysis is similar to my own reasoning.
He virtually starts off at the same point. Spring 2007 and leads throughto the present.
At that time KM stock was high, and PW very low so the plan was to reinvent and drive PW’s popularity upwards. One vehicle chosen was KM so PW overcame her reluctance and they got together again.
We all remember what was reported and how off hand PW appeared, even drunk, when out with KM and this lasted off and on until the Christmas of 2007. She went away with parents and he stayed mainly out of sight until late Jan early Feb 2008 when the relationship between them seemed to improve and they were the old loving couple again and engagement speculation reached new heights.
PW popularity started to rise again but KM’s was falling rapidly by numerous posting and articles criticising her and her lifestyle.
Unfortunately PW’s immaturity and even childishness came to the fore in the helicopter incidents and the unfortunate stag party for PP where PW came across mature people instead of his usual sycophants and there was conflict.
The aim of increasing PW’s popularity had not worked and KM’s had also fallen but the speculation of an engagement and marriage soared. This was not the ‘PLAN’.
So something desperate had to happen and CH very suddenly (for them) announced that PW was to become a Regular RAF officer and so the next ‘X’ years are sorted.
Big mistake again because it was announced that PC had helped PW to the decision. Great councillor on marriage guidance.
So there we have it. No sightings. No confirmation. Speculation galore. KM’s family firm indicate greater role by KM in planning and execution of future events and involvement.
So next, what will we hear or what will be next step; nothing and same old uncertainty and a “dragging it out till it disappears” strategy ?
I think not.
News soon I think with not too much disappointment for KM’s confirmed supporters on BRW but lots and lots of patience and restraint but also the knowledge to know that over time many things change, and change happens.
As it says ” wait on these things and they may come to pass.”
Here endeth etc.
Hello,
The motor cycle rally may well be on PW/PH wish list but surely some advisors must have a very low risk assessment level.
Helicopter hours, Armed conflict situations, now a rally , dangerous itself by nature but a security nightmare.
Perhaps this week PW is planning full 22 SQN SAS training manoeuvrs in the area with regular terrorist sweeps by RAF combat helicopters of the terrain over 1000+ miles, 24 hours for 10 days?
Next cost evaluation ?
Perhaps a Britis Banking type financing ?
Remember the Mark Thatcher episode ? He was only a PM’s son.
It may well happen but who will take or be held
responsible “IF” ?
Ked, so what are you saying?
Birds flyeth over the Devon dawn?
With all due respect Ked, I can’t figure out a word you are saying. I’m beginning to think you work for a spy agency.
Ked, sometimes your meanings are about as easy to decipher as the “DaVinci Code.” I think you should mail us a decoder! I goggled MT and found about his story. Is KM getting her ring from PW?
Gracie, who is MT?
Mark Tomlinson?
Or Mark Thatcher?
Interesting post ked, certainly given everyone lots to think about.
Alsgal, Mark Thatcher. I was not aware of his colorful background, except for being PM son. I think Ked and H are the same person. Its like one plays good cop and the other bad cop.
how sick
Hi, As far as I’m aware I’m not Ked – I’m female for a start and hopefully considered a nice person!! I’ve been out all day, so only just reading all of the posts. I’ve got to dash out again now, but I’ll respond later.
H, then I am truly sorry to have made the mistake. Thanks for clearing that up.
Rman
I don’t know if Albert of Monaco will ever get married. Charlene Whittstock is another one which I feel slightly worried for. He hasn’t committed to any of the women who have come in and out & I feel as if at some point she may also go…. I’m hoping William will not end up like him..
I hope not Ked, because the future of The Monarchy is already shakey.
Hello,
I’m not H I am ked and I’m male.
Firstly apologies to H , as in my post I inadvertantly refered to “H posing” , but meant “H posTing”. Sincere Apologies H.
gracie,
The Da Vinci Code was based upon the Fibonacci Sequence whereas I am more used to palindromic numerics or Linear B Syllabic grids in my codes with occasional forays into Fermat’s theorem analysis.
I am surprised you hadn’t heard of Mark Thatcher’s exploits in the Dacca rally. I can’t recall the financial costs of the search and rescue operation but it was referred to in a recent mercenary trial in Central Africa. Helicopter and ex-SAS involvement there too I understand
Dangerous place Africa ?!?
Which gets us back to PW and KM, and that’s about where we are , well nearly, not backs to the wall but upagainst a wall.
A wall of silence.
This is slightly bizarre. I have seen 2 blogs which say that the motorcycling event has already started and the participants detail their experiences so far; but then I have just come across this blog saying that the event doesn’t start until next week?? Maybe the organisers are staggering the people participating so that they are not all riding at the same time????
http://rosandseungadventures.blogspot.com/2008/10/one-week-to-go-kit-list-check.html
Also, I saw another article saying that the mayor of New York met Harry on Monday, so the earliest that he could have flown out would have been Monday night, UK time.
It looks like Prince Harry’s charity has been involved for a long time so this isn’t a last minute thing; the original articles back in Feb were probably referring to this event but of course the details were wrong ie. the bits about Chelsy helping to organise etc.
Also have you seen the comments written on the DM website to the article about this event. They are all really really negative towards the princes (except 2 of them).
H,
I have just reread your post with interest and rather than repeat our wild and outdated comments I would be very interested to get your view of events, past ,present and future.
It will ,I am sure, be a lot better than the specious posts that are so prevalent here.
H,
Meant your earlier post. The one above was written whilst my post was being edited,
Rman,
That is why I criticised the competence of the CH mandarins.
Military helicopters have an appalling safety record with an almost zero survival even in the smallest crashes.
The two battle zones that PH may serve in also have records of accidental deaths and injury without warnings.
The trans Africa rallies, car and motorcycle, both have high accident ratios.
However PW is an experienced rider with 7+ years experience but PH only passed his test a month or so ago.
PH would only be licenced officially to ride a small engined machine (up to 250cc I think maxm) whilst PW’s bike is a 1000cc honda.
With both Princes of direct line unmarried and without known heirs all the above activities must be considered doubtful at the very least especially as, if an accident happened, HM would have the ultimate responsibility and that would be an unbelievable burden to carry for her.
Ked, mister smarty pants! I am insulted by your “specious posts” comment. I am sorry to say that I was not aware of MT background, but I have now educated myself on the subject and remember seeing a documentary on him made a couple of years ago. At the time he lived in Dallas.
gracie,
Humble abject apologies, the comment was not made to or for you but there are people who do make these statements and I love baiting them with comments meant to irritate them.
The people concerned I think know whom I bait but surprisingly always react. It intrigues me.
You are not one of these I assure you so again apologies.
Ked, those who have returned to you give you facts and links, therefore please play fair square.
I know when discussions ocurr and one party doesn’t like or feels bad to the response of the other, it hurts. But no need to feel specious/bait, after all some like fantasy others like reality.
ked just doesn’t like it when peple interfere with facts in his imagination…
Ked, I prefer the Linear B Syllabic grids to the others. I am not much of math person but I have been to Crete.
gracie,
I am not certain if it was the Cretian or the Cypriot philosophers who first postulated it, but I have read that it was analysed on the Aegean islands prior to being exported to the mainland.
Originally the research started as a phonetic ‘grid’ which over the centuries evolved initially into a mathematical representation which then evolved in pure Mathematics and eventually to the ‘discovery’ and use of Geometry.
Interesting but off post.