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Why William’s RAF career could spell seven-year waity for Katie – Daily Mail
She is said to hate the nickname ‘Waity Katie’, but Kate Middleton could be waiting a very long time to marry Prince William – for up to seven-and-a-half years to be precise…
Prince pays tribute to late friend – PA
The Prince of Wales gave a moving – and mischievous – tribute to the late godfather of his son Harry. Charles, addressing a congregation of about 1,000, told of his fondness for his friend of 40 years, remarking that the love he had shown to Harry, 24, was second only to his own children… [photos of attendees]
Party princess Bea hits town with Eugenie – Daily Mail
Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie hit the town last night to attend the launch of Form, a luxury menswear brand designed by Petra Ecclestone – the 19-year-old daughter of F1 mogul Bernie Ecclestone…
Fergie’s latest fling is over – The Sun
The Duchess of York yesterday said her relationship with a multimillionaire Norwegian “fish finger tycoon” is over. Fergie, 48, had been seeing Findus heir Geir Frantzen, 40, for more than a year…
October 5th, 2008 04:18
Catherine hate for her nick name “waity katie”?, i know it’s mean are she’s like a poor girl who must wait her prince to propose her, but 7 years are so long for a woman like her of course cause now she’s 26 years and for wait until 7 years again are 33 years old!! if any other girls like you maybe Wills can’t be your lover anymore or Wills must we dump ( end relationship ), up to you lady, all your decision is your responsibilty. i’m affraid if Both of you not really really marriage partner, damage for Catherine cause she’s a woman!!
October 5th, 2008 07:31
Katie Nicholl, you have become the laughing stock of any and all sensible readers. I almost feel embarrassed for you.
October 5th, 2008 09:31
It is so disappointing that there are people out there who are buying this crap. One blogger,who I will not name has already jumped onto Katie’s wayward wagon. If it turns out that William has chosen this path to avoid marriage and royal duties, it does not bode well for his character,IMO.
I am going to wait and see how this all plays out before I mourn the end of William and Kate.
October 5th, 2008 09:40
I agree lisa.
October 5th, 2008 10:11
This has thrown off many people but it’s not working for me. Something good is going on behind the scenes.
October 5th, 2008 10:24
That these articles continue to come out do not help Kate or William. No one comes to Kate’s defense to deny them and William comes out looking like his hiding in the military so that he can avoid marriage or ending it with Kate. So if something good is going on behind the scenes, I suggest they start letting the public in if CH/William are so worried about his image. I would think William would not want his girlfriend to be portrayed this way, nor himself. If it is over, it should be announced.
October 5th, 2008 10:46
I think William six week military stint is nearly up and we may get a sighting from them soon. I agree Gracie that they need to let the public in on something because the media don’t really know what’s going on so they are coming up with all sorts of things and it’s not looking good. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, William wouldn’t do this to Kate. After all the presious time they have spent together this year and with her family. I have no doubt that everything is fine with them but the media and some members of the public (bloggers included) is really tierd of the wait and is ready to write that relationship off. They really should let us in (alittle) on what the plan is. No one can tell me that they didn’t come up with something on their recent holiday break.
October 5th, 2008 10:47
gracie,I tend to agree with you at this point. Even though these rumors(they are rumors until they are fact,IMO) are being driven by tabloids and internet chatter,the DM is widely distributed in the UK and some members of the general public may believe what they write. For CH to allow William to be preceived in this light is foolhardy,I believe. It is true that Kate’s image is damaged,but she is not a future king,William is. I hope his new PR guy gets busy before more damage is done. And if Willaim and Kate are done, for heavens sake,MAN UP and say so.
October 5th, 2008 11:18
I’m reading on another site that Kate was reportedly photographed coming out of a nightclub with a former beau who looks like William last week, but I’m coming up completely empty when trying to actually find any pictures fitting that description. Has anyone else heard of this?
I know Kate was seen with Willem Marx at Boujis back in May, but I can’t for the life of me figure out who she might have been seen with last week.
October 5th, 2008 11:27
I have not heard of that news. If Kate is out with Willem Marx then, I’d say their relationship is strained. I think Kate goes out with him to make William jealous. How is Kate able to go out w/o getting noticed? Unless she call the paps ahead of time, I would imagine they will follow her where abouts especially now since William’s SAS plans.
October 5th, 2008 11:29
Unless they are talking about Pippa outing last week with the red head?
October 5th, 2008 11:32
Probably someone mistaking Pippa for Kate. She looked very much like her elder sister in that pic.
October 5th, 2008 11:40
Guys the only Middleton that have been seen lately is Pippa. Kate has not been out on the town since the Roller Disco. She has kept a very low profile while William is away. Yes Kate was seen with Willem Marx, earlier this year and that’s it. As you can see, I’m getting fed up with the garbage now.
October 5th, 2008 11:44
Here’s a link. Pippa looks a lot like Kate. But those are the only pics I can think off. Surely if Kate had been seen out and about with another man the press would have been all over it.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/NmVWZCM15jM/Pippa+Middleton+Leaving+Boujis+Nightclub/V7qJh2YtC2s
There has been absolutely no indication for any trouble between William and Kate. No reported fights, none of them was seen with another person nothing except the single fact that William announced he’d go to the RAF instead of starting a King “apprenticeship” as earlier speculated by the press. It’s been almost 3 weeks since Kate was last seen, 4 weeks since the last pic of William. I really hope we see them again soon because I get tired of trying to put people straight about the whole RAF thing over and over again because they usually just repeat the stupid stuff the press wrote.
I really hope for some William sighting soon. Is he not due back in London for a stint at the MoD? Otherwise we’d have to wait till the Bond premiere on October 29 – far too long for my liking.
On another note: Does someone else here read RA? Since when does John spread Katie Nicholls’ b/s like that? I thought he was above those things, sad really I liked his site a lot. At least he should reveal his sources and make clear where his info comes from then people can form their own opinion …
October 5th, 2008 11:46
As I see, they are trying to build up Harry & Chelsy relationship and bringing down William & Kate’s. The same old thing all the time.
October 5th, 2008 11:51
Trixie, thanks for the link — those must be the pictures. I guess if you squint, maybe they could look like pictures of Kate. But I really think Kate and Pippa have very different facial features.
RA was the blog I was referring to with the “Kate out with an old boyfriend” claim. I don’t know, I’m bothered sometimes that John makes condescending remarks about blogs like mine, which provide links to news stories, and then regurgitates KN columns while not even acknowledging his source. But that’s enough of the soap box for today.
October 5th, 2008 11:54
That’s right Trixie, Pippa is the only one that has been seen lately. Kate seem to be getting things together and creating a new future Princess image. I think John has given up on them. I think he’s tierd of the whole thing too. You are right, he should have pointed out that Pippa was seen last week and not Kate. It’s just the truth and the truth should be told. What do you think Alsgal? Where is Ked?
October 5th, 2008 13:13
Ella Kay – I can’t seem to comment on your blog anymore. Do I need an account?
October 5th, 2008 13:19
Ela, I restricted comments a few weeks ago when I was getting a barrage of inappropriate comments in the queue. As of right now, you have to have either a Blogger or an OpenID account to comment.
October 5th, 2008 13:33
Trixie – I too read the RA. John’s recent comments about Kate and William seem to be an about face for him. Something doesn’t quite add up.
Ella – I shall get myself a blogger account.
October 5th, 2008 14:33
This doesn’t make sense. Prince Andrew married while he was on active duty with the Royal Navy. There is absolutely no reason why they can’t marry even if he does have military duties. Good grief, he is heir presumptive to the throne (I think I got it right). He will ALWAYS have duties that take him away from his wife. But, hey, that’s just the way it is. I highly doubt any official duties will get in the way of a royal wedding, if both parties want it to happen.
October 5th, 2008 14:56
I too have just read RA and I am surprised as the rest of you. Every time I have read the blog it seemed fair and not based entirely on DM sources. I think we are all tired of the “run around” from Kate and William, but I would not put my stock in Katie Nichol or DM to fill me in on what is happening w/them.
Rman, Ked has not posted for awhile. Maybe he was tired of getting bombarded w/why he could not give some of us more of an answer to some of his theories. Hopefully he still reads us and we come back and tell us what ever info he has.
October 5th, 2008 15:05
So I haven’t written in a while, as nothing very exciting has happened. I see everyone have their knickers in a twist, simply because of a Daily Mail article. They have been SOOOOOO unreliable, and malicious, we mustn’t give them credence. Yes, John’s article today REALLY through me for a loop, but let’s all take a breath and wait. I have a feeling that we will all be pleasantly surprised.
As I commented on RA, if they really have split-up, or “cooled down”, I would be so very disappointed. Firstly, the naysayers and Kate-bashers would have won, and secondly, the dream of “fairy-tales”, and “princes and princesses” would be put to rest, it would just be more of “Charles and Camila” and poor Diana.
I always wondered if Ked was Will…..we haven’t heard from either. I hope all is well.
October 5th, 2008 15:18
The statement about kate being “photographed” with an old flame is really off the mark. We all know that if such pictures existed,they would be EVERYWHERE.
As for RA. I was so surprised by this piece,I almost thought the site was hacked. It seem like John has some kind of ties to Katie Nicholl. I know he pasted before that she visits the site so maybe they talk?
I am still going to wait for something from someone who has facts, not rumors and “behind the scenes chatter/whispering”
October 5th, 2008 15:26
I’m with you Lisa!
October 5th, 2008 15:29
Alot of things just don’t add up! I too would be disapointed if they have split. This year seemed so promising for them since Kate was at so many public functions w/William.
October 5th, 2008 15:40
I wonder if the CH is feeding some bad information to try and squash all the engagement speculation? Maybe some facts were getting leaked regarding the plan and in order to keep things quiet until they are ready to announce they sent some red herrings out there…just a thought.
October 5th, 2008 15:56
Could be Lisa. You are right Gracie, this year did seem to be very promising and full of excitement. I just know that everything is fine with them and I hope William, Kate, and their friends is reading this because I want to let them know that we are pulling for them every step of the way. We have seen so much love between them this year and they have shown us that they are madly in love with each other. We see can see that Kate is truly trying to make it known that she is working and getting involved in Charity work. I do not believe for one second that they just decided to call it all off. We haven’t seen them in awhile and everybody is going nuts. I just know that things are okay and the DM is trying to throw us all off track. We can’t let them do that. These two have some kind of trick up their sleeve and we will know what it is soon.
October 5th, 2008 15:57
Lisa, I have thought that too, but I didn’t think it would continue for as long as it has. It is strange that we have not seen Kate out since Disco and I think this might be because she is still with William.
October 5th, 2008 16:08
There are alot of reasons why keeping a pending announcement of a royal engagement quiet would be important.
Last week we heard the Telegraph( a more reliable source then the DM,IMO) talk about Kate getting security paid for by Charles and William. Maybe there have been credible threats. Maybe for her security they want her to look less important to William and the RF until they are ready to announce.
Or maybe this is a tactic the new PR guy has for confusing the press. It does seem a bit coincidental that all this started around the same time the new PR guy did. Again, just kicking ideas out there…
October 5th, 2008 16:42
I was wondering too, if the changes made to allow monarch to marry someone outside the C of E has anything to do with William and Kate? I read a article from 06 where Robert Jobsen said that William and the Queen had talked about changing this very thing. I don’t know what religion Kate is. I have heard different stories. Some say that her mother is of Jewish decent and I have also read that Kate might be Catholic.
October 5th, 2008 17:23
gracie,I think Kate is a member of the Church of England. If her religion was a factor,it would have come out long ago,imo. Something else is going on.
October 5th, 2008 17:33
John isn’t the type to jump to conclusions, and I respect his opinion very much, particularly as he always takes a kind-hearted and logical approach. He has always been fair to Kate, so if he is speculating that things are over, I do take that seriously.
However, I think we are all thinking this might require a bit of let’s be patient and wait-and-see at the moment. Particularly as neither William nor Kate are confirming they are together, nor confirming they have split. We’re all in the dark at the moment.
Best case scenario: If my Teapot Cottage/Kinloss prediction is correct, then Kate will be keeping quiet over the next 18 months, whilst having a bit of an image overhaul.
Worst case: If it’s not, then William seems to be hoping that it is best to dump Kate now, while her popularity is rather low in the press, or that she will give up and walk away and he won’t appear to be the “bad guy.”
Everything seemed to be going smoothly until after the wedding in Austria. I cannot remember if Pippa’s picture card was stolen before or after the wedding. I wonder if that had anything to do anything, or whether William finally had some alone time with his father at Balmoral.
Or, whether we are all just assuming the worst, and Kate will accompany William to the Bond premiere in a few weeks.
Patience!
October 5th, 2008 17:50
alsgal,I have always enjoyed reading RA, but I honestly cannot recall any “scoop” or inside information ever revealed there. A saw alot of speculation and possibly some wishful thinking but in this instance he is backing up the content in Katie Nicholls piece,which,IMHO, causes him to losel most,if not all of any credibility he had. There were more holes in that piece then a block of swiss cheese. Then there is this mysterious photograph of Kate and a former flame that no one has ever seen and he failed to produce when asked.
I am not saying that William and Kate have not broken up or that they are ready to marry,but I an not going to form any opinion on articles in the DM or a seemingly oddly timed posting on a blog site.
October 5th, 2008 18:00
I wish they would just get on with it already!!!!
Im **** tired of all this B.S.
William thinks that he doesnt have to tell the people anything about his relationship but IMO he actually does. she COULD be the queen and that is the publics right to know. im not saying that he needs to give details but he should atleast confirm it or deny it!!!!
Staying in 1 position with her for sooooooooooooooooo long without a hint to what is happening with them doesnt do anything but Pee people off. ( me included)
Im not someone that honestly relly cares if they get married or not (i come here for harry ♥ X) (i prolly wont even watch it if they do) it just makes me so mad having to read all of this about william and kate when i clicked on harry!!! everything that is posted on this site (no matter who its about always gets turned around to kate and william and it makes me so angry!!
October 5th, 2008 18:00
Alsgal, yes we all have to be patient.
October 5th, 2008 18:01
sorry.
I clicked on the wrong 1
that post ^ was supposed to go under the other 1. my bad
October 5th, 2008 18:03
Alsgal, I too have wondered if the chip found from Pippa camera had anything to with the change of plans, if there are any. I really hope that those photos were not given to those guys to push to the tabs, by someone in Kate’s family that MIGHT have been on the trip w/them. If that’s the case, then I can see why the relationship might end.
October 5th, 2008 18:04
and i dont even relly like kate anyways.
i dont like chelsy ether (but thats out of jelousy)
October 5th, 2008 18:12
Lisa, only one thing is known for sure, and that is that William and Kate will keep us guessing for a while yet.
I am confused about the training and RAF commission. I thought the training was for 18 months, then follwed by a min. 6 year commitment, for a total of 90 months at the very minimum.
If it’s less, then it would not seem to be such an impossible time to wait. Kate can manage that, I would think. She’s been pretty patient so far, so I see no reason why this wouldn’t continue
Another thing I have wondered about, if William didn’t take a look at the Internet Forum after the James pictures came out. He has said he doesn’t read the tabs, so perhaps he had no idea of the negative feelings towards Kate? I can hardly see any of the people who work for him going to William and saying, “Look what people are saying about your beloved girlfriend.”
So, I wonder if that had any affect, if somehow reading all of the negative stuff posioned the well a bit? (Although, of course, it shouldn’t have.)
The other thing I am wondering is if PW did some kind of sting operation on the Middeltons that he does to his close friends, to test their loyalty? I am still wondering about Pippa’s picture card being stolen. I think there is more here than we have been told.
I hope Patrick Jephson’s theory that PW went back to Kate so he could later dump a less well-liked Kate without as much disfavor, is not true.
We all have to keep the faith a bit longer, I’m afraid, and continue to hope for the best.
October 5th, 2008 18:14
I have alway wondered why PC built that home in Wales and built the home relatively fast. He’s been POW for atleast 30yrs now and he finally decides to build a place there. I have a theory that maybe the Wales home was really going to be for William since he will be POW and its a possibility that he could be stationed in Wales for RAF, so maybe that is where Kate will stay too?
October 5th, 2008 18:14
Gracie, just saw your post, and I agree — something about the picture card story feels funny.
Just wondering, might be nothing, though.:)
October 5th, 2008 18:21
Well hey, The DM is reporting that Harry may go back to service in the War and it may put a strain on his relationship with Chelsy.
You know I have taken a long look at this and the press don’t think The Prince’s relationship can survive training & service. They think Prince William & Prince Harry have to give up a relationship if they are going to serve the country. They just don’t think they can have their cake and eat it too. They think their relationships aren’t that strong. I beg to differ, because they all broke up with each other last year but they have proven to us all that things are better, understood and they have moved on from that. Chelsy was accompanied by William at Harry’s medal ceremony, Chelsy attended The Phillips Wedding and sat with the royal family. Kate not only attended two royal weddings this year and sat with the royal family but she attended the most important royal event of the year, The Order of The Garter and may well attend next year. So oh yes they have moved on to bigger and better things. William extends his training and everybody assumes that it’s over. I mean, it all make you want to burst into tears from laughter.
October 5th, 2008 18:22
Alsgal, you are reading my mind! I have always found it odd that the photos were in Pippa camera and why she would take photos of Kate and William alone together, IF the story is true. I can’t see why William could not forgive Kate if she had nothing or no knowledge of it, when his own Uncle Edward filmed William while at Andrews. So Willam knows what it is like to have a relative sell him for a story.
October 5th, 2008 18:28
We are all in the dark here and to be frank with you, it’s getting kinda scary. What I’m going to keep saying is, William & Kate have something up their sleeve and they aren’t saying what it is. They put too much in to this relationship just to let it go. They are very much together but just busy.
October 5th, 2008 18:32
I give up! They have been saying for months that Harry could not return to war and now he is? Is it me or am I the only one that does not think it is wise to have both heirs to the throne put in dangerous jobs at the same time? Both William and Harry are active duty officers, suppose something happens to both of them? Has Charles thought about that?
October 5th, 2008 18:34
Rman, do you travel in royal circles to know w/o a doubt that they are just busy and not broken up?
October 5th, 2008 19:20
No, I just think they are busy. Kate working at PP and William training that’s all. I wish I did travel in royal circles then I would know what’s going on.
October 5th, 2008 19:21
But my question is why does everyone always expect the worse? I just want to know that.
October 5th, 2008 19:34
The DM is running amok with fictional stories this weekend, my goodness! IF Prince Harry were to return to a warzone, do they really think it would be announced to the public. Why not just paint a bullseye on his back? The same result would be achieved.
Seriously, we all need to stop giving any of this BS a second thought.
The Daily Star,not to be outdone by the DM, has Kate waiting 8 years to marry William!
It has become stupid. The intiial, OFFICIAL report talked of an 18 month training period followed by a 36 month commitment. Here is the statement from the POW website. maybe we should forward it to Ms Nicholl..
The Prince will begin his 18 month training course with the RAF in January 2009 and, if successful on the course, would become a fully operational Search and Rescue pilot in 2010 with one of the six UK-based RAF SARF flights. Once operational, a typical tour for a pilot in the SARF is 30 to 36 months.
October 5th, 2008 19:42
Thanks for the facts, Lisa.
So, only 48-54 months in total starting from January, 2009. That is MUCH better than the 90 months total I had thought (with 18 for training, and a min. of 72 month commitment.) That is good news!
At the very worst, Kate can wait for that time period with no problem, and at best — and let’s hope for it — an announcement will come in December or in another 18 or so months.
October 5th, 2008 19:58
alsgal, here’s what *I* think. If William is going to marry Kate, it will be within a year or so. No way he waits 4 or 5 years. Why would he? It would make no sense for either of them to remain in the relationship so long without the benefit of marriage. Kate is 26. In 5 years she will be 31. Not that 31 is old by any means but the prime childbearing years will have passed. I don’t want to make it sound like the royal family is all about her uterus but one,if not THE most important role of Williams wife will be to bear an heir. No, I am sorry,but if Kate is the one, they will marry during the early part of his career in the RAF. If not, we will know soon. Officially.
October 5th, 2008 20:16
I, too, am saddened that John from RA thinks the end of everything. I respect his opinions, and has always been one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the relationship. I wish things could be more clear… waiting and not knowing what’s going on is the worst part.
But as of claim that Kate was out with a previous bf last week, I think John was just mistaken. It may have been Willem Marx way back in May. No one else has seen such pictures… not even those in the Kate-hate forums who watch her like a hawk. So IMO there’s no way it could have happened.
October 5th, 2008 20:27
dagsi,that claim really blew holes in his entire posting,IMO. There are so many reason why the premise that William has “bolted” from Kate makes no sense. Firstly, I do believe that after so many years,they love each other. Secondly, if we are to believe the current “press” and William, out of the blue, with wedding plan made, decided to join the RAF and told kate with little or no notice prior to a public announcement. Now here is a little riddle for you…what usually happens when a millionaire bolts from a longtime lover, publically humiliating her in the process? If you answered the lawyers come out, your right! If he did what it is being claimed he did, she would be holding all the cards.
The only way I see this scenario playing out the way it is being said is if Kate received a large settlement OR if she, not William broke it off. That is the one thing most people have not considered. If Kate broke things off because of all the BS that comes with the deal. It is possible. Little else makes any sense.
October 5th, 2008 20:47
I would have never gotten myself into this situation. She obviousaly (sp?) knew that he was popular and alot of media came with him when she met him because she had a poster of him on her wall.
If you know you cant handle the heat then dont go into the kitchen.
October 5th, 2008 21:26
She know who she is dating and she knows what’s going on. It’s just that we don’t know what’s going on but we can look back on their recent trip and say that things are just fine. They looked happy to be back and it looks like they are getting down to work. Kate seem to be gaining more interest in charities and William will be working with the MOD soon. They seem to have all this planned out. But everyone is left in a daze by the DM. So a appearence by William & Kate would mean so much. We just have to wait for that. Kate seem to make little appearence’s without William now. It would be nice for the girls to go with them to the new 007 film.
October 5th, 2008 21:28
Lisa, don’t know what the palimony rules are in Britain, but unless William and Kate were actually living together for a long time, with Kate’s accompanying financial dependence on PW, Kate is, financially speaking, up sheet crick.
He owes her nothing moneywise.
Now, that also means she’s under no obligation to keep quiet, so if — and this is a big IF — they are off, Max Clifford can get her at least 1-2 million pounds, pre-tax.
Of course, he can’t get Kate her heart back, as I’m sure hers will be hurting if they are off.:(
Still, finding it hard to believe they aren’t perhaps simply meeting in secret these days, so I’m trying to remain hopeful.
October 5th, 2008 21:41
PS there was only one time I can remember Mike Middleton talking directly, on the record, to the press — it was when Kate and PW moved into the house togther at St. Andy’s –
“As much as we like Prince William, we are not going to be his in-laws, they are just friends, there are two other people in the house.” Yadda, yadda, yadda.”
Anyone have a link to that btw? Pretty please?
October 5th, 2008 22:02
It doesn’t make sense to me.
October 6th, 2008 00:21
There definitely something going on behind the scenes, good or bad, but there is something we
dont know. We should be patient because it will come to light pretty soon.
October 6th, 2008 00:33
I am glad to see that most here have not joined the hysteria in the press and see the events for what they really are and not the drama some papers make it out to be.
The Daily Star is really funny – one gets the impression that the papers try to outdo each other with the “waiting” period Kate has ahead of her. Interestingly enough the original CH quote which lisa posted says that the “typical tour” lasts 30-36 months. It doesn’t even say that William will serve the whole time. Obviously they need to leave all their options pen in case William’s help is needed in the “family business”.
I still believe that this would be the perfect time to announce an engagement if you want it to be a surprise – with all the break up talk floating around.
October 6th, 2008 01:58
Yes, I absolutely agree that something is going on behind the scenes.
October 6th, 2008 04:04
For anyone still in doubt here’s a link to the Kate and Willem pic taken on April 30, 2008. If any other one appears you can compare but I doubt it’ll be anything recent:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-563176/Whos-cab-Kate-Royal-girlfriend-parties-Wills-lookalike.html
October 6th, 2008 04:12
Trixie,I have learned a lesson over the last couple of weeks regarding how I view the press and bloggers in general. They feed off of each other, recycling stories and trying to outdo one another with one sensational story after another with no regard to the truth. The whole thing at RA was most disappointing as I always looked to that site for reliability. All I see now is a blogger feeding off of the writings of a poorly researched tabloid writer. The claim of a photo of Kate in a car with an old BF that no one has seen because the blogger can’t recall where he saw it and that maybe it was in a print version and not online….Lets do the math here…Kate Middleton in a car at a club with a guy that is not PW and ONE photographer takes ONE picture and it is printed ONE time never to be see again. Sorry but thats a tough one to swallow. From now on,I will believe what I see with my own eyes or what is reported by CREDIBLE sources, not tabloids, not bloggers who are obviously being fed bad information.
October 6th, 2008 07:27
What I find funny is if Harry were going back to war, Sun and Telegraph both would have a story about it and I have not found one yet.
October 6th, 2008 07:55
I totally agree lisa. Take a look at what I had to say on RA. I posted at least 4 comments with links to prove to him what I was saying. I think a lot of jumping to conclusions is taking place, and I also think a lot of people who jumped to the conclusions are going to end up with egg on their faces.
Wills and Kate are human beings with private lives and private feelings. They’re not going to do something a certain way in their private lives just because a bunch of people think they ought to. If Wills and Kate want to stay together and get married after his training is complete, then they will. What happens is up to them, the conclusions of the media don’t matter. The whole 7 year thing is just silly when the Prince of Wales’ website clearly states 30-36 months, and so does the RAF website! Here are the links:
http://tinyurl.com/5d6nhh
http://tinyurl.com/4kzjhb
What I can’t believe is that I did more research than he did over at RA! I even posted the link to the story about Wills putting in his application to become an RAF SARF pilot. After reading the article about that in the Sun again, I realised something: The article itself was published on 02 May, 2008. That day was a Friday. If the Sun knew about Wills putting in his application to become an SARF pilot on Friday, 2 May, then more than likely Wills actually submitted the application sometime in April. I seriously doubt if the Sun learned about Wills putting in his application as soon as it happened. I just don’t believe their newspaper has THAT much of an inside track. That means that Wills applied sometime in April, and he probably talked to Kate about it. Wills and Kate looked very close in April. There are existing photos of them hugging just before he took off for the Isle of Wight, and there is that one photo taken of Kate right when she was walking away after hugging Wills, and she looked like she was floating on air. I don’t know how many links can be posted in one comment without the comment being held for moderation, so I will post several comments to show all the links:
http://tinyurl.com/42rvts
http://tinyurl.com/533q8c
October 6th, 2008 07:56
I totally agree lisa. Take a look at what I had to say on RA. I posted at least 4 comments with links to prove to him what I was saying. I think a lot of jumping to conclusions is taking place, and I also think a lot of people who jumped to the conclusions are going to end up with egg on their faces.
Wills and Kate are human beings with private lives and private feelings. They’re not going to do something a certain way in their private lives just because a bunch of people think they ought to. If Wills and Kate want to stay together and get married after his training is complete, then they will. What happens is up to them, the conclusions of the media don’t matter. The whole 7 year thing is just silly when the Prince of Wales’ website clearly states 30-36 months, and so does the RAF website! Here are the links:
http://tinyurl.com/5d6nhh
http://tinyurl.com/4kzjhb
October 6th, 2008 07:58
What I can’t believe is that I did more research than he did over at RA! I even posted the link to the story about Wills putting in his application to become an RAF SARF pilot. After reading the article about that in the Sun again, I realised something: The article itself was published on 02 May, 2008. That day was a Friday. If the Sun knew about Wills putting in his application to become an SARF pilot on Friday, 2 May, then more than likely Wills actually submitted the application sometime in April. I seriously doubt if the Sun learned about Wills putting in his application as soon as it happened. I just don’t believe their newspaper has THAT much of an inside track. That means that Wills applied sometime in April, and he probably talked to Kate about it. Wills and Kate looked very close in April. There are existing photos of them hugging just before he took off for the Isle of Wight, and there is that one photo taken of Kate right when she was walking away after hugging Wills, and she looked like she was floating on air. I don’t know how many links can be posted in one comment without the comment being held for moderation, so I will post several comments to show all the links:
http://tinyurl.com/42rvts
http://tinyurl.com/533q8c
October 6th, 2008 08:04
Mapleleaf,I have jet today but I did read your post at RA and I was thrilled! You did a great job simply by stating facts. I was able to link to the POW site last night and get the original release with the dates but I don’t have the patience to do the research you did. BRAVO. Keep up the good work!
October 6th, 2008 08:13
I messed up the link to the RAF website. Here it is again: http://tinyurl.com/4fwswa
October 6th, 2008 08:17
Thanks for the compliment lisa!! Here are some of the links to the photos that I spoke of:
http://tinyurl.com/5×4ahl
http://tinyurl.com/42vk8o
My point in posting the links to these photos is so that people can see what Wills and Kate were together in April.
October 6th, 2008 08:21
Thanks lisa! Something went wrong again, so I had to post under this other name. Here are more links to photos of Wills and Kate from that day in April:
http://tinyurl.com/5×4ahl
http://tinyurl.com/42vk8o
October 6th, 2008 08:29
Mapleleaf, we all should know that those two are happy with each other, we have seen the proof. The point is no matter what they do and how much love they show, people will still doubt them. They can’t win.
Oh, so he’s already been to the MOD in September?
October 6th, 2008 08:31
Mapleleaf, I love those two pictures they look so passionate.
October 6th, 2008 08:31
Here’s the last link to those photos:
http://tinyurl.com/4gph8j
I wanted to show the photos just to make my point that Wills and Kate looked happy together in April, and they certainly spent lots of time together even after April. The story in the Sun was published on 2 May, and Wills and Kate went to Mustique together within the month of May after Peter and Autumn’s wedding was over. Kate had to have known by then that Wills was going to be an RAF SARF pilot because the Sun had broken the story 3 weeks before that he put in his application.
In June they had a great time together during his birthday weekend, we certainly saw those photos of them dancing together, etc.
It’s just illogical to think that Kate was surprised by Wills’ announcement. WE were surprised and the media was surprised, but we’re not Kate and neither is the media. The Sun knew, so Kate knew.
Therefore Wills’ decision to become an RAF pilot is something that Kate knew about before we did, and it’s logical to assume that Wills and Kate worked out what they’re going to do and when, months ago.
October 6th, 2008 08:34
We’re all on the outside looking in but I don’t think they’ve broken up. However, Kate certainly doesn’t seem like she’s close to getting an engagement ring either. That’s her choice obviously. But at this stage if she doesn’t have an assurance of marriage with him it’s foolish to stay in that relationship. William can leave her anytime he chooses and that’s when the knives will come out especially if it ends badly. If the royals and their friends turned on Diana and Sarah, both royal wives and grew up in that world, they will not hesitate to throw Kate Middleton to the wolves.
October 6th, 2008 08:38
October 6th, 2008 08:44
Nikki I agree that Kate would be thrown to the wolves if they broke up again, but look at what I’m saying:
I’m saying that when Kate went to the Garter ceremony in June, she already knew that Wills had put in his application to become a SARF pilot in the RAF and they had probably already discussed it.
Logic would certainly dictate that they had discussed it, since it had been written about in a national newspaper by Duncan Larcombe at the very beginning of May. When they went to Mustique in May she already knew, when they went back to Mustique in April she already knew, when they went to Austria in September she already knew. So this has been worked out and settled between William and Kate, it’s just the rest of the world that’s in the dark.
I think William prefers for things to be that way. He just seems to enjoy keeping his personal life very private.
October 6th, 2008 08:45
Sorry about the typo, I meant to say when they went back to Mustique in August, NOT April.
October 6th, 2008 08:59
Yes I saw the two photo’s. They are both very private people and that’s they way they like it. I just read John’s latest comments and it’s fair to say he has given up on them or just lost hope. I do believe hope can restored in him. Mapleleaf you couldn’t be more right, and I have been saying that all along. William & Kate is fine and have agreed on what’s going to happen next. It must not be easy for them to turn on their computers or pickup a paper and read that their relationship is on shakey gounds. I imagine them laughing but realizing that they can’t win. We just have to wait and se what the next step is, for now we are looking forward to seeing them for Charles birthday celebrations and maybe the movie premeire. I just like seeing two people who deserve the happiness they have shown us this year.
October 6th, 2008 09:04
mapleleaf,
I never said Kate didn’t know. She’s his girlfriend so she knows his plans before we do. I’d disagree that she has any say in what he does though. To me it seems like William makes his decisions and Kate goes with it. She doesn’t have much power in that relationship.
October 6th, 2008 10:56
Hiya,
I was wondering where the video with Patrick Jepson was. It was mentioned by alsgal at 18:12 I think and I know it has been recently mentioned on other sites including RA. Does anybody have a link to the video?
Now back on topic: well I think it’s likely that they are going to go through a tough time (that does NOT mean they will break up, although they may). I don’t think we can credit magazines like Hello! and newspapers like the DM for their articles about the birthday party etc if we then criticize all articles which show that their relationship is in a bad light. It seems a bit strange to me that several posters are suggesting that the good/positive articles are correct whilst the negative/bad ones must be wrong, when they both could be correct or wrong or a mixture.
I think there is an element of truth behind these fears of a break up. After all, it is perfectly plausible for them to marry and for William to still with the SAR. However, that would mean that there would be nobody (i.e. a husband) to support Kate as she would have to do royal duties.
One comment on the DM was very good (in fact several of them did offer some new ideas; whether I agree with them is a different matter completely), but anyway, someone said something like how can there be a 2009 royal wedding in the middle of a credit crunch? I agreed with this and felt it was a very good point.
There would be so much criticism if Kate and William had a royal wedding whilst there was a recession. I know that it may not be fancy by royal standards but it would still cost a lot of money. They are getting criticized now (or Kate is) for not having a job and just having fun whilst the rest of the country is struggling. A wedding would just increase the negative comments and tbh, I wouldn’t blame them as everyone is tightening their belts at the moment. The recession is not expected to end properly for another 18 months at least and many people predict 2011 before it will be back to normal. It would be very unwise for the RF to have a wedding whilst people are struggling this much.
October 6th, 2008 11:10
Economically, it would be an excellent idea.
October 6th, 2008 11:12
I know what you mean B but look at Charles who’s having two parties, and even though people don’t think it’s wise to do so, he is still going through with it. Because he deserve it. Everyone on here have to admit that we are in the dark. William & Kate have made some plans that we don’t know about and we probably won’t know about it until later. What is bothering the crap out of me is people are drawing to some crazy conclusions and saying that it’s all over. I understand though that people are tierd of the run around like John. But the key is just to be patient.
October 6th, 2008 11:17
Although it was nearly 61 years ago but the world was in a bad state in 1947 and Princess Elizabeth & Prince Philip helped bring some smiles to people faces during that war period. That wedding was like telling people that things are going to okay and that’s what we need now. Some smiles and for us to be told that everything will be okay. Being depressed won’t help anything.
October 6th, 2008 11:33
Yes, but the wedding between HM and PP was AFTER the war, not during the problem itself (i.e the recession in the UK). It is one thing to have a wedding afterwards to show a new start and new beginnings but to have one in the middle (especially a wedding that is going to cost a great deal more times than the average salary within the UK), is just rubbing it in. The public would not warm to that at all.
It is one thing to have a birthday party (I often have two; one for family and another for friends when it is an important birthday like my 21st), a person cannot delay their birthday. They can’t say “oh well economy’s bad we can have the party in 18 months”. Besides, a wedding would cost a lot lot lot more than a party would. There would be huge costs for security which the state would have to pay for.
A wedding might raise tourism levels but then this recession is world wide, not many people will want to pay several hundred pounds to travel to the UK to see someone get married when they can watch it on the tv and still be able to afford their fuel bill. I know several royal watchers here (I’m thinking of alsgal here
) do plan to come but non royal watchers will not. This recession is not an isolated incident and a big, fancy, expensive wedding would not bode well for the royal family who survive on public opinion.
Rman, I’m not saying it’s all over but then it might not be crazy crap. It is a possibility (although I am sure that you and I both don’t want that to happen *fingers crossed*).
October 6th, 2008 11:35
B, I agree with you on the wedding. I too have wondered how a royal wedding would go down w/public. The RF are viewed differently than they were in 1947. For one, we know too much about them due to the press/paps/internet, which was not the case then. Times are different. The Queen can not even get money to take care of her homes, so I don’t think money will be eagerly given for a wedding. IMO. The bad press as of late will not help matters either. I think the days of Diana type wedding would not be realistic in today’s world unless the Queen wants to pay for it .
October 6th, 2008 11:39
Just like to add that Nov 2008 is only the beginning of the recession by next summer we will be well and truely in the middle of the recession.
Also, can you see the newspaper articles if that did go ahead? A wedding during a recession would annoy a lot of people and I am sure that articles and comments would reflect this especially by newspapers like the Telegraph (republican). They would dictate a girl who had only recently started working for her parents and doing some charity work (which always allowed her to drink and party), who had made no real input into the economy or the country, marry a Prince who has not yet done any real royal duties (not full time royal yet), who was doing a job within the SAR which could not ever become a long term career.
Yes it sounds harsh and I meant it to. It is not what I necessarily think but it is how I see it being portrayed. That is not a good start for anyone and we all know how a bad impression can last for a very long time (e.g. Airmiles Andy).
October 6th, 2008 11:40
Thanks gracie, I did not see you post as I was writing my second.
I think you are right that we see the RF differently these days, the glamourous image (although still there) has weakened some what.
October 6th, 2008 11:45
The Queen might view William no different than her other granchildren and expect him to pay for his own wedding like Peter did.
October 6th, 2008 11:54
Well, I don’t want to sound harsh or impose double standards but the ceremony and reception would have to be a lot fancier than Peter’s (of heads of state and William is is 2nd in line of the throne). Therefore, she may expect him to pay for most but will be willing to pay for some. When my partner’s sister got married, he helped them pay for some it by paying for the reception, so HM may do something like that.
October 6th, 2008 11:56
Yes I agree royalty isn’t like it use to be. There are people who don’t even see the point in having a royal family these days. Hope need to restored.
October 6th, 2008 12:00
And the last way that it could be restored is by creating more negative press by having an expensive wedding during the middle of a recession.
October 6th, 2008 12:06
But Me, then the entire wedding, and William’s role as king, would be botched if it’s not HONEST. If there’s no honesty, then the entire wedding between William and Kate will be a waste. Both William and Kate will marry, but to each other, I have no idea.
October 6th, 2008 12:23
I do not mean this to be snobby, but I also think that if William were to marry from another royal house or a titled family, the wedding would be on a larger scale. IMO.
October 6th, 2008 12:23
I’m not saying for them to have a wedding soon. We just have to accept that we live in a messed up world.
October 6th, 2008 12:25
lol what about an American Gracie?
October 6th, 2008 12:38
I want to believe that the RF is not snobbish about who William marries, but I think it has to play a part in it. I think the RF want a happy marriage for William and the monarchy, but I think they might believe it can be found within their own. JMO of course. If William were to marry an American I would think she would be from old money, Lauren Bush is a good choice. I think it was rumored they dated once, but she is with David Lauren of Ralph Lauren fame. She has all the pedigree, but she also does alot for charity and has her own bags FEED that help hunger.
October 6th, 2008 12:41
Alsgal, read your post on RA and was really good, funny as usual!
October 6th, 2008 13:25
There are alot of reports that Harry is going back to serve in the war. Do you think that is just a rumor? If not I guess Chelsy can kiss that relationship goodbye huh.
October 6th, 2008 13:37
Why would they guess that relationship goodbye?
He has gone to war before and when they came back their relationship was even stronger. The worry that she and I know many other people experience when their loved ones are at war, makes them realize just how much they love them.
I have distant relatives within the armed forces and they are away for months, as far as I know they are very happy with their partners and one or two are married. (That part of the family are all the armed forces, I don’t see them much but I obviously remain concerned for their well being).
If you believe that Kate and William can survive the distance of being away for much longer, why can’t CD and PH?
October 6th, 2008 13:44
B, that is what I have been saying about William & Kate. People just don’t believe the boys can have a career in serving the country and have a meaningful relationship too. They think William & Harry have to dump their girlfriends in order to serve and I just don’t think that is true. Of course I don’t think Chelsy have to let go of her relationship with Harry just like Kate don’t have to let go of William. I was trying to prove a point. These girls are strong and clearly support their boyfriends in whatever they do.
October 6th, 2008 14:53
There is a difference in personalities. I hope William stays w/Kate, but I don’t believe he will fight for her like Harry would for Chelsy. If William were made of a stronger character, I think he would not allow what is happening in the press w/Kate to happen. I understand his hatred of the press, but if he truly loves her he would define what their relationship is to the public, regardless if they marry or not. Harry and Chelsy are much younger and although there love seems strong and passionate, if Harry called to war for a long period of time we just don’t know how the relationship will fare. But I would not throw the towel in on them IF Harry goes to war.
October 6th, 2008 15:18
…that’s interesting that you think that about Harry and Chelsy, gracie. I have the opposite opinion. To me Harry and Chelsy seem like a fun couple and there was undoubtedly a lot of passion there and they seem to clearly adore each other but whether their relationship is the big love that will last forever I would not be so sure.
So far being together or spending time with each other does not seem to be their top priority and it’s not only their “career” that takes precedence, it’s also and foremost their friends. I doubt Chelsy would miss the chance to go to South Africa and meet her many “friends” for Harry. She surely doesn’t spend every free weekend with her b/f judging by her facebook pics which show her partying with friends without him.
Harry an dChelsy do fun things together but have not experienced everyday life with each other. I am not sure whether they can make it through the uneventful daily routine when they see each other 24/7 that married life would bring. Interestingly since Chelsy moved to the UK and they had the chance to be closer – the spark has gone at least on public outings. No hugging, kissing and being all over each other like before…
I know they have been “together” for 4 years (well more like one year if one deduces all the time they didn’t even see each other) but I still see them more like a highschool crush…
I am not sure whether they really know each other inside out or whether they do not still see things through rose-coloured glasses…
Of course that doesn’t mean that they can’t mature together but if Chelsy is really the bright, ambitious, academic woman she is made out to be, I see them drifting apart rather than closer together because quite honestly Harry is surely a nice guy but not the brightest. I can’t see serious lawyer Chelsy with royal jester Harry …
October 6th, 2008 15:21
if william keeps putting his RAF career before than kate, i think she might dump him
October 6th, 2008 15:29
I’m not convinced that William wouldn’t fight for Kate. It’s an assumption that William has a weaker character, but that assumption hasn’t been proven by anyone. Many assumptions have been made about the strength or lack thereof of William’s character and about the strength or lack thereof of William and Kate’s relationship.
William and Kate broke up in April of 2007 but they were back together by June of 2007, and they’ve been together ever since. There is nothing in that situation that says Wills has a weak character, or that their relationship is weak. On the contrary, if they are able to survive long separations like they’ve been doing, and survive all of the adverse stories about them and their relationship in the press like they’ve been doing, then they are a strong couple in fact, and William and Kate both have a lot of strength of character.
It takes strength to smile and keep going in the face of adversity. It takes intelligence and endurance to master all of the different tasks in the different branches of the military that William has done this year. William managed to master everything he set out to master this year. He’s made time to spend with Kate, and he’s included her in the important moments in his life this year. Those aren’t the actions of a man of weak character. Those are the actions of a man of strong and resolute character who follows through with things once he makes up his mind.
October 6th, 2008 15:33
Trixie, I agree with what you have to say. I think Harry seems like the one who could fight for his woman, but he also does not have the rules that William does or the expectations. Both Chelsy and Harry are still young and like to party. I think Chelsy would have a hard time giving up Africa for a full-time life in England and the demands placed on her IF they were ever to marry. Personally, I think Chelsy has more background problems than Kate does. Or maybe Kate hides it better, who knows really?
October 6th, 2008 15:39
Rman,
I am sure that you’r correct that KM would, and has fought for PW, but I don’t think he does the same for her.
I have that feeling that the apparent reluctance of BP and CH to agree to a PW/KM liaison and PC’s reported advice for PW to serve in the RAF for an extended period goes back to around the Autumn of 2007.
At that time I think an engagement was imminent but PW backed out quite late in the day , as I think he also did at the Balmoral weekend. These two possible events may have convinced senior members of the RF to question PW deep feelings for KM.
When they are together they certainly give the impression of a loving relationship but does that mean they are still “in love” or has time and familiarity taken its toll.
Rman you may recall that I have often said that any announcement was months and possibly years off and I think recent events and decisions confirm this.
I still believe that KM did not know of PW’s plans whilst in Austria and I think PW’s conversations with PC following their return resulted in the rush decision to continue life in the RAF.
As a matter of interest do yoiu remember a reported cmment, later denied, that their split in spring 2007 had a connection with PC ?
I also believe that PW and KM will remain friends over the next years even if it’s just to keep certain matters within close confines.
October 6th, 2008 15:42
gracie,I think you are right on with everything you said. William does have a different set of rule being a future King then Harry does. His public persona would have to be more discreet. we are in the same boat as far as Chelsy goes as well. I don’t see her giving up her friends and her residence in Africa to live in the UK fulltime. I also recall her saying somewhere that she disliked the climate as well. The backround issues you spoke of will also be a problem and from what I can see, she does not care who sees her partying,smoking or posing with her friends, which is really fine. You have to give up alot to be married to William or Harry. The sacrifice is huge.
October 6th, 2008 15:46
Mapleleaf, I hope what you say is true. But I still feel that although Kate has been there for him whenever he needed her, polo, ceremonies, etc. it would be nice if he would stand up for her now when I believe she needs him. If they are planning to marry, then he should realize that the press coverage of her will diminish any respect some of the public might have. Maybe he is helping her w/her PR, but from what I have seen it looks as though Kate and family are doing their own PR. Even though people think the press does not matter it does especially when most is not true and people believe it. Charles stood up for his mistress and married her. A man of strong character would not sit back and let the woman he loves fight these battles on her own, especially when he has the position and money to do something about it.
October 6th, 2008 15:48
ked, please refer to mapleleaf’s well researched posts and you will see that Kate,along with most of the free world did know of William’s plans to sign up for the RAF. She knew back in may. Additionally, I highly doubt anyone knows the details or spirit of any conversation William has had with his father. I think if we stick to the facts,things look quite a bit different.
October 6th, 2008 15:55
Ked, it nice to have you back and I agree. I do remember the press saying Kate blamed Charles for their break. I always had the impression though that Charles was the one who did not want William to string Kate along. I do think that Charles would not advise William to marry as this is Charles and Camilla time to shine. IMO
October 6th, 2008 16:06
Kate might have known he put in for the position, but it is possible that she didn’t know what William decision was until the last minute. Maybe he didn’t even know if he needed to seek Charles opinion on the situation. I would imagine that it took the military a couple of months to see if they wanted/needed William for the position, plus all the security he will need to protect him.
October 6th, 2008 16:16
gracie,while all that is true, I am quite sure that given the longterm nature of William and Kate’s relationship, all the details of this event were discussed openly,including the time commitment, placement etc. To suggest anything else is defaming William’s character as Kate is, for all intense and purposes, his spouse.
October 6th, 2008 16:17
Helo,
When it was said that PW wanted to serve in Search and Rescue in May that wa sas part of his short service with the RAF and he did fly out of Valley RAF base in Anglesey as an observer.
At the same time he was said to have wanted to serve some time with SAS and other sections of the services and his late quick decision was apparentlly as much a surprise to his CH staff as it was to the RAF.
October 6th, 2008 16:27
Hi Ked,good to have back. I wondered where you had got to
Rman (back to the Chelsy and Harry thing): the reason that I think there is more of a risk with PW and KM than Harry and Chelsy is not because of what is going. So both boys are going away for a while, I once went 6 weeks without seeing my partner and 4 of them were without any communication at all. It is not WHAT they are doing but WHY they are doing it.
Harry wants to go to war to serve his country, it has no bearing on his relationship at all and he and Chelsy have made it through him going away once before, they can do it again. However, PW joining the SAR suggests that the marriage which several people had said would take place in 2009, will be unlikely to happen (I still after 8 months stand by the fact that it will be at least until 2010.) We have to ask why this happening and many people are suggesting that the relationship is in trouble. It is a possibility even if we do not want it to happen.
What I think we also have to consider is that if Harry goes to war it will be about 6 months max. at a time. William will be spending 18months training and then several years (3-7) doing the work. Although, Harry would not be able to see Chelsy in those 6 months, I think that we add up the time that William and Kate would end up spending apart over those few years it will be a lot more (I don’t think KM will follow him there so they won’t see each other regularly).
Hope that makes sense.
Trixie: you say that you think Chelsy and Harry are like a high school crush. How many high school crushes last over 4 years? How many survive their partner going to war? How many survive not seeing there partner for all those months? People automatically presume that just because a relationship is a long distance one that the feelings are not as strong, that’s not the case at all. So many people here have said that we have no idea when or where Kate and William meet or how often, well the same can be said about Chelsy and Harry. So she goes out with some friends. Have you see her photos on facebook? Do you know the exact date of those photos and their age? Just because a girl goes out with friends it does not mean that she never sees her boyfriend.
Chelsy and Harry are still a lot more passionate that Kate and William and I get the feeling just by looking at them together in photos. I’m not saying that Kate and William do not love each other but I don’t think they have the same level of passion as Chelsy and Harry. I have not seen any example of that going away (but then there have been so few pictures of them together I don’t know how anyone could tell either way).
But if it has gone away it could be the cause of several things:
a) that they have grown up and know that they cannot always behave like that (whenever we see them together now it tends to be in more formal situations or in large crowds)
Or
b) they have been dating for over 4 years and the passion has reduced somewhat (perfectly normal, says nothing about how much they love each other)
We have not seen enough of Harry and Chelsy recently to make that decision and there have not been many articles within the papers about them either really (relatively speaking).
October 6th, 2008 16:31
Quote from Lisa: “Kate is for all intense and purposes, his spouse”
I did not realize that they were engaged or married. I did not know that a proposal had been made which elevated Kate from being a girlfriend to fiancee (although you make it sound like she is already his wife).
She is just a girlfriend and whilst William loves her, he has not announced any proposal. Until that happens she is just a girlfriend and nothing more.
I am sure that she knew a few days/week before hand but I agree with ked that it was a surprise. There was no leaks in the papers, no suggestion at all. In fact it has been proven to be the reverse; that everyone was surprised. He would have told her as he loves her but it was as much as a surprise to her as it was to everyone else.
I would like to know what she said though in return to him telling her…
October 6th, 2008 16:35
Lisa, I am not saying that he would not discuss his intentions to do this. I think he would, but I also know that it takes a couple of months for servicemen request to change MOS. The request has to go through alot of channel before a decision is made. I am not defaming William I am simply saying that Ked theory that Kate did not know about his decision in Austria could be valid. Yes she might have know that William put the request in, but she might not have known what his decision would be at the time. Just because William wanted to do this, does not mean it would have gotten the approval of the military, if indeed they do treat William as they would other servicemen.
October 6th, 2008 16:38
B,I believe that when you spend the better part of 6 or 7 years with the same person,they are your partner,which is really a more modern term for spouse. We all should have realized that when Kate stood shoulder to shoulder with Prince Harry and the Duchess of Cornwall at the Garter ceremony. To suggest that Kate was not kept informed during this process is simply not believable. I would hope that the future king of England would be of better character then to join the military in an effort to run from marriage.
October 6th, 2008 16:44
Hi Ked, great to see you are back. B, I think the major point is, they are all strong couples and we just have to again wait and see how they will hold up. Harry & Chelsy are a bit open about their relationship but William & Kate are very private. But I think William & Kate have alot of passion there as well but we just don’t see that much. Must be alot of passion there because that girl coundn’t wait to get down to the caribbean to see him after his training there was up. You have to admit, she moved very fast on that. He could have came home right after but they made sure they spent some time together right away. Harry & Chelsy seem to be just as passionate.
October 6th, 2008 16:48
B, yes the announcement was a surprise to us but she knew before hand.
October 6th, 2008 16:53
She moved as fast as any girl would passion there or not. If she had not gone that quickly we would all be saying it proved that she was not bothered.
No lisa, that’s not the case at all, and definately not for the RF. First of all they would only have dated for 5 years this Dec or winter time, not 6 or 7. Kate stood with Harry and the DoC because she was there to support William and that’s where the guests of the RF stand, would you have rather she stood with the rest of the crowd? I think that far far far too much was read into the Garter ceremony. Kate would have already met the members of the RF before.
She probably was informed but it was a sudden decision, which means that she was told suddenly. She could not have been well informed about something which was not definate at the time.
Pretty much ditto what gracie said.
I am sure that there are more reasons that him wanting to “run away from marriage”. In fact I dont think he wants to end it completely with Kate, I think that he does not yet know what he wants with Kate and is buying some time. I also think that he wants to experience work and military life.
I think ked and gracie have said it best so it’s easier to read their posts rather than for me to say it again. it’s getting late here and I’m tired; hence the poor grammar and spelling.
Night Night
October 6th, 2008 16:56
Before I go to bed I’ve got one more thing to say (sorry about that, just when you thought you could get rid of me
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You say that she knew before hand Rman. Do you have any evidence? All the sources and evidence suggests that she did not, and as it was a surprise for CH I imagine it would be a surprise for her.
Oh, you are probably basing it on human nature and what you know of William. we don’t know William or what his nature’s like.
October 6th, 2008 17:00
I broke off with a guy that I dated for 3yrs for one first meeting with my husband. I picked up and moved from everything and everyone I had ever known to date him. I didn’t tell my old boyfriend, I could not face him to tell him. I just stopped calling. It was immature and wrong, but people do crazy things sometimes and I was in love! I am not saying this is the case for William and Kate. I use my example to show that we can’t always predict or prepare or plan for what life has in store for us. William is not perfect and neither is Kate. They do things just like the rest of us do.
October 6th, 2008 17:08
Hello gracie and B
Thanks for welcome back I have just returned from a couple of weeks in Japan and this is my first evening back.
I stopped off at Singapore on the way out and was lucky as it coincided with the Grand Prix weekend. I did have three nights in Dubai on the way home but will have some difficulty getting over my jet lag.
I have spent a hour or so checking the posts over the past few weeks and am surprised at the many specious comments.
I think there are a few surprises to come over the next few months so I suppose we shall just have to wait and see what happens but I must admit to feeling very depressed at the PW/KM position.
As a couple I feel certain that had they met up four or five years later than they did then a happier outcome may be expected.
As a matter of interest one of the inflight movies was ‘The Other Boleyn Girl’ which made me think of a comparison with PC with Diana and her sister and then the less obvious comparison of PW etc. It was just a thought that flashed through my mind and is of course impossible.OR?
October 6th, 2008 17:21
Rman,
With time on my hands when travelling I did think of that recent holiday with PW spending time with KM and her family.
I did think it odd they were all together there and it did lead me to think that perhaps it was arranged to lend some respectability to KM’s reputation should there be a split.
It also came into my mind that the only reports from CH acknowledging KM was when they said that “they were good friends” and this was repeated when reports of KM attending the dance with PW at his barracks came out.
It is accepted that all royal girl friends remain “good friends” for life unless they kiss and tell and it’s usually upheld by a prince becoming God Father to eventual offspring of these ‘friends’.
October 6th, 2008 17:25
New article claims that they broke up. Never heard of it though.
http://timesnow.tv/Newsdtls.aspx?NewID=17737
October 6th, 2008 17:38
Hello,
The only knowledge we have of PW’s character is that surmised or gleaned by how we would personally react in similar circumstances to reports of how he has behaved, say in his non defence or support for a girlfriend in difficult circumstances.
However it has been interesting to note that to my knowledge,apart from the ’star struck’ young female RAF officer at the wings ceremony ,the only support for PW has come from senior officers in both RAF and RN. Compare that support to that noted for PH by Army colleagues mainly from junior ranks.
I think that this must have some bearing on our opinion.
October 6th, 2008 17:51
Ked, do you think its possible that the stolen chip from Pippa camera could have anything to do w/this?
October 6th, 2008 17:53
Hello,
Just noticed news report from a few days ago.
Two more military helicopters crashed with no survivors.
You may recall my unease I felt at BP/CH allowing PW to fly many many hours in helicopters ?
Now a report of PH returning to War Zone ?
These are strange decisions being made with those in the direct line to the throne of UK.
Two unrelated accidents and we have a Queen Beatrice and the direct line broken ?
Shades of Mary Queen of Scots and the old and young pretenders!
October 6th, 2008 17:57
gracie,
Not unless a police investigation has turned up any “deliberate loss”attributable to anyone close to KM.
Does anyone know what stage the investigation or prosecution is at ?
October 6th, 2008 18:10
Ked what do you think about Kate’s very low profile and only Pippa showing to events? Kate is also getting involved in charities and seem to be working hard with PP. Things really changed since they got back from vacation.
October 6th, 2008 18:10
Ked, it does not make any sense why they would let BOTH heirs to the throne put themselves in dangerous positions w/no heirs of their own. I read that the RF made their illigetimate children their godchildren, not all of course cause they have tons.
October 6th, 2008 18:18
PW working plan is official from CH, RAF, MoD.
PH stories are not official from any MoD, B&R or CH. Only a DM spread to other smaller tabs.
October 6th, 2008 18:52
Rman,
Sorry I have only been back in UK for 12 hours or so.
The only noticeable fact is that her involvement in the Roller Disco is similar in intent to her involvement with the Boat Crewe charitable events in 2007 which she eventually abandoned reportedly upon instruction from CH. She went ‘undergraound’ for a time after that event so perhaps history yet again repeats itself.
I also know that KM is able to move around the Reading area with very little interference so she may be out and about close to her parents home. A few months ago I in fact saw her with two friends at lunchtime in a pub on the river near Sheffield Bottom and that was never reported in the press.
It is therefore possible that she is leading a quiet life in her own locality were most people respect her privacy and not at all like it is in London
October 6th, 2008 19:05
The Sisterhood benefited from KM intent with the dragon boat through the publicity KM brought upon them; not every one in UK or around the world knew who the Sisterhood nor Brotherhood was to that effect, charity through extreme games. Publicity brought in more money, they had never received so much donation previous to that event. Regretfully when she left, the few interested may read the information through their site.
The Rollerdisco Charity was done to its 100% and money received and donation proceeds from sponsors where duly delivered; there are various official websites that are still receiving money for both organizations the charity was all about until January 2010.
October 6th, 2008 19:12
and I think she likes children, she also delivered 100 % in the UNICEF charity for Children, remember it was an exhibition of celebrity photographs called Time To Reflect.
But sadly the DM, you know what they do, distortion, brain washing, sad.
October 7th, 2008 02:51
Thanks for the link,gracie, but the article doesn’t say that William and Kate have actually split up. It says they are ABOUT to – just like other articles have before naming the RAF career as reason for such a decision.
I very much doubt Harry is going back to service abroad anytime soon. It was only this March that he returned from Afghanistan and the MoD said not before another 18 months have passed. Given the current speculation about it in the press it would be virtually impossible anyways and far too risky. The more articles there are about Harry going on duty, the less likely it becomes.
ked, you certainly seem to come around. Seeing Kate in front of her flat in London, dining at William’s favourite pub in King’s Street, knowing where he rides his bike, seeing Kate in a pub with friends near Berkshire …. one could get the impression you’re stalking them…
October 7th, 2008 04:01
Trixie,
I live near the King’s Road in London and the sports club I belong to play in/near Reading.
Many mornings as I run down streets to the embankment I do occasionally note a certain make of car parked at the curb side.
Yes I have seen KM several times both in the street, in pubs and at events and have commented on here about that and fortunately with friends we usually get access to many vip area in most clubs.
I live and play in same areas and there are hundreds like me who at times see her almost daily but who do not immediately telephone the paps, take photographs or pass on the sightings until a reasonable time has elapsed.
Perhaps you live in an area that doesn’t have ‘celebs’ living and working close by so don’t have the opportunity. It was some of these sightings that prompted my commenting on here.
The reports of PW on his motor cycle is well documented in local papers and I have close relatives in Wareham which is an area PW is frequently seen together with one/two other bikers. It is also very close the the Tank training ground at Bovington, to T.E Lawrence’s house and Lulworth Cove and Bournemouth but I’m sure even you would know that.
Surely guys here prefer reading about that than the plagiarised banal comments of many that are made on here which are usually comments passed on from other sites with little originality.
October 7th, 2008 05:47
Ked, Will also lived there.
By any chance is that why you insist PW went out with some other girl during Christmas 2007 ? You saw him, or it was a rumour in your circle of friends ?
October 7th, 2008 07:36
I enjoy Ked’s posting it makes the blog more interesting. I feel like alot of what he says, turns out to be true one way or another. I think it’s wrong to assume that because he might run in some of the same circles as William and Kate, that he is stalking them. He gives us info and you can choose to believe it or not. Atleast he’s not giving us tarot card readings like the other forum.
October 7th, 2008 08:07
Me too, that’s why I ask questions and have discussions, like the dating mystery girl he insists in mentioningh from Christmas 2007
October 7th, 2008 08:20
What is wrong with Camilla that she can not travel with Charles for the full tour of Far East? Does she have heart problems? If that is the case as to why she can not deal w/humidity then why not announce it? If the Queen can do all that she does then why can’t Camilla?
Me, I don’t think Ked will answer that question. I would love to more about it too, but look what happened last time I mentioned it. Does anyone know if Sam and Isabella are still together? I noticed she did not attend Disco w/Sam and he was not in photos I saw of her at movie premiere.
October 7th, 2008 08:37
Will Prince Phillip accompany HM ?
October 7th, 2008 08:39
Then I’m with Trixie in that one, if a poster is going to say for a fact something, i.e. Christmas 2007, better give the proof. If not you’re creating a rumour, or even worse, the person in question – ruining the reputation, I think that was widely discussed.
October 7th, 2008 08:47
Yeah it’s not good to run with rumors. William is dating Kate and that’s that. And don’t forget that William & Kate was together for a day’s shoot.
Well The Duchess of Cornwall won’t always do complete tours with The Prince. The late Princess of Wales didn’t always do that either but I think Camilla get’s tierd of that stuff and she does have some parties to plan.
October 7th, 2008 09:21
There is alot of doubting with William & Kate but why do I have a feeling that those two will surprise us soon. But I’m not going further with that.
October 7th, 2008 09:28
Rman, I would think touring, which is her job, would take precident over planning parties for Charles which have already been set in motion for months. As far as rumors go, we don’t know what William does nor do we know what Kate does in their private time.
October 7th, 2008 09:30
Very true Gracie.
October 7th, 2008 09:31
Rman, how do you know that? Sounds like a rumor to me.
October 7th, 2008 09:36
Rman, just giving you a hard time!
Why on earth would they send Harry to battle after they flat out denied he would go only months ago? It seems logical to me. So does that mean that they can say William will not be doing SAR in January after they said he would? Talk about flip-flopping!
October 7th, 2008 09:42
His argument was said to be that he couldn’t command troops as an officer if he hadn’t gone through what they would go through.
The prince’s spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the report. (via Herald Sun)
Its not official, as PW work is official, it appears in the RIGHT sites, i.e. MoD, PoW, RAF
October 7th, 2008 09:47
I can’t imagine that CH/BP/Queen/Charles would want both heirs to be in harms way, but I stated that yesterday. We shall see, I guess.
October 7th, 2008 09:58
LOL, Gracie, I don’t know it seems like the media is throwing lots of things out there.
October 7th, 2008 10:59
How much harm is William really going to be in when he is with the SAR?
October 8th, 2008 04:24
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1071869/Camilla-cut-short-royal-tour-Asia-Prince-Charles-complaining-hot.html
UPDATE!
October 8th, 2008 13:40
I believe Sam Branson and Isabella Multiple-Lastnames are no longer together. I remember reading that they broke up, and will look for the article.
Although there are many people who would like to see PW marry Isabella, I don’t see it.
I’m thinking William’s wife will be either Kate Middleton in 18 months or he’ll wait another 5-7 years like Papa, date a lot of girls, and then marry some unknown Hon. or Lady from a family close to the RF. Just a hunch, though.
October 8th, 2008 13:51
Alsgal, how are you dear? Thanks for answering about Isabella and Sam. I didn’t read it anywhere, I just assumed cause she was not w/him at Disco and at her movie premiere. But maybe I too am having a senior moment. Isabella is interesting to me cause she looks the part and has all the breeding. Not that means anything, but she has that whole uppty thing. Plus they have always rumored that William fancied her when he was younger. She really seems like she wants to be an actress so I would not expect her to give that up for just anyone.
October 8th, 2008 13:52
Isabella is too old and too “celebrity culture” for the RF and she doesn’t even look like William’s type though she is pretty. She’s been milking her weak link to William for all it’s worth, there is not a single mention of her without William’s supposed crush on her thrown into the article. I doubt she’ll get anywhere near him or the throne. They haven’t gotten together so far, they won’t now or anytime in the future, IMO.
Somehow William doesn’t seem like the “dating” kind of guy. Maybe it’s just because we never knew him with another woman really but I cannot imagine him going through a string of relationships like dear old Papa.
October 8th, 2008 13:55
Trixie, I thought she was the same age as William and Kate. How old is she?
October 8th, 2008 14:03
She’s 28 born March 3, 1980. I doubt William would marry a woman two years his senior who doesn’t even look like his type…if the RF was desperate enough to set him up with some aristo, even her younger sister Gabriella would stand a better chance. She hasn’t been all over the papers and is younger though I doubt the fact that she works as a model looks too good for her…
If he really broke up with Kate, I imagine William would remain single for quite some time before settling down again and out of pure stubbornness it’s probably not gonna be with some “suitable” aristo girl. None of the women he dated or is actually friends with is from the aristo set, so why should his wife be?
October 8th, 2008 14:06
Trixie, thanks for the answer. I am glad that you have it all figured out!
October 8th, 2008 14:07
Well SOMEONE needs to have a plan!
William can always come to me and ask what he’s going to do next.
October 10th, 2008 05:19
i hope that they are not having a splitsville. a lot of couple have problems.
October 10th, 2008 05:46
Well, William has said in the past he is very stubborn….I would assume that also applies to his love life, whatever that may be at the moment.