Kate Middleton caught out Dialing while Driving
Kate Middleton got a right earful yesterday after being caught on camera using her mobile phone while driving.
The girlfriend of heir to the throne Prince William was spotted clutching the handset to her head as she steered her sporty Audi A3 along a country lane.
If the 26-year-old had been pulled over by police she could have been fined £60 and given three penalty points.
And if Kate had caused an accident she could even have been jailed.
Read the entire story and view the pics at The Sun
October 14th, 2008 04:31
As I stated below the REAL story her is the fact that Kate is being pursued by photographers while driving. The papers won’t cover this angle because it is not as juicey if you will. Look at her face in the pictures. There are two angles here, One from the front and one from the side indicating to me that at least two photographers were following her. I would have been on the phone too, calling the POLICE.
October 14th, 2008 05:14
I see your point, lisa. It’s ironic that it takes an improper act (paps stalking her) to catch another improper act (driving while on the phone), and you’re right that it must suck to be Kate Middleton during these circumstances. I don’t discount that it was wrong, even if she was being chased, and even if it appears to be a very small and quiet road. But please! It’s such a minor offense, with loads of people guilty everyday. It’s not DUI. Not a hit and run. No one was hurt. So she’s not perfect. Big deal! Allow her to learn from this and move on like all of us without the unnecessary fuss.
October 14th, 2008 05:25
If you look at the 2 photos carefully I am almost certain that the car is stationary in the first of the 2 photos. If you look at the tread of the wheels & the detailing on the photo there is no sign of blurring which there should be if the car is moving. Also if you look at the caption under that particular picture they say “Kate on the phone whilst behind the wheel of her Audi”. They aren’t saying that she was driving it.
In the 2nd of the 2 pictures she could very well be driving.
I must say they really must be desparate to get a Kate story, any story. I agree with you Lisa, I know that she shouldn’t be using her mobile whilst driving (though I have to say that she isn’t alone in doing it) but it really looks as if the paparazzi are following her about, in the 1st picture she is actually looking quite “hunted”.
By the way on the IF some-one suggested that these could be old photos???
October 14th, 2008 05:28
The person taking the picture is clearly standing on the shoulder of the road. There’s no chase involved so please stop excusing this illegal act and it’s not as unimportant as dagsi and lisa try to make out. Can’t you people just admit when Kate is wrong? This is very dangerous behaviour. Something that could lead to someone being injured or killed. No one deserves to get away with this not even Kate Middleton. People have died through the thoughless behaviours of those chatting away on their carphones, oblivious to the world around them. In the pictures provided Kate Middleton looks more guilty than afraid. I liked the girl but this is inexcusable.
October 14th, 2008 05:46
Hi Fims,
I don’t think it’s obvious as to where the photographer is standing. Paps would think nothing of whizzing past on a motorbike or in a car to get far enough up the road to turn around and snap a few frames.
I’m not condoning what Kate has done, and if she is fined I’m sure she will cough up and learn a lesson.
If you ever get a chance, watch a BBC series called “Paparazzi” to get a real insight into the lengths these guys go to get the shot.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11082006/tv/dont_shoot__tv_linda_stasi.htm
October 14th, 2008 06:22
Hello,
It’s obvious that the Sun and/or Paps are keeping a close eye on KM’s movements which i believe to be contrary to the PCC agreed mode of conduct when she is acting in a private capacity.
The Sun has therefore infringed the privacy conditions set down by thr PCC and should be disciplined
Perhaps we as BRW posters should make a complaint to the PCC ?
There is also another consideration that if KM is under such close scrutiny then any contact with PW would have been observed and reported
It’s reasonable therefore to assume that there hasn’t been any contact since PW’s announcement that he was staying in the RAF.
I wonder what interpretation may be made of that?
Also, as it appears that there have been no reported sightings of PW and he is obviously laying low.
I wonder if that is one of his sulks or a fear of the reaction he may get from the public?
October 14th, 2008 06:36
Hi ked,
I’m sure if this was a situation that warranted investigation or further action by the PCC that lawyers acting directly for Kate Middleton, or others acting on her behalf, would be completely on top of that by now.
October 14th, 2008 07:04
Ked, nice of you to pop in. I thougt PW was in Africa? I think the fact that they are able to get so close to her home now could be due to the withdraw of security.
October 14th, 2008 07:22
The DM has the cell phone driving story up with a clearer picture. Wow, that road is really narrow! If you look at the 2nd picture (get the Telegraph’s pic for a wider angle), it looks like she may have made a right turn into the narrow road.
And if you take this aerial shot of the Middleton home,
http://tinyurl.com/3fss5m
my guess is the paps may have caught her while she was exiting their driveway. The road leading to their house also looks very narrow, and the fences in the background look similar.
October 14th, 2008 07:30
Dagsi, I was thinking that too. It looks as though she had just drove through her family’s gate and was going to turn onto the main road. So if that is the case, then Kate would not be technically driving as she had not left the driveway of her home.
October 14th, 2008 07:43
Ked, why would William be worried about how the public will treat him, when he has not offically called it off? If Kate is off at work and PW is doing his own thing, than that is no different than any other time in their relationship. No one knows what is going on w/them at the moment.
October 14th, 2008 07:44
Very good spotting. This certainly doesn’t look like a busy road and is probablyonlyher driveway… much ado about nothing but since the press currently doesn’t haveanything to write about they already made a BIG story out of this. The Princes always drive without their seatbelts fastened – clearly an offense under >British law. Has any paper ever bothered writing a story about it? What about the paps taking pics of her while driving, possibly blinding her with their flashlights? Much more dangerous, I think than phonoing while rolling down the drive way.
IF the car was even in motion. In neither picture her hand is on the wheel – to me it looks like she was just standing there…
October 14th, 2008 07:55
I apologise for my poor spelling. the space key is not my friend today…
October 14th, 2008 07:58
BRW aka Steven is right. If this was a case where Kate had been dangerously pursued or her privacy had been interrupted we would have heard something from her lawyers by now.
I think that some people are trying to down play this too much. It is really rather simple, she was driving whilst on her phone and she was photographed. No action by the police should be taken as they were not there at the time and hopefully she would have learnt her lesson.
The press, however cruel they can be, would not claim that someone has broken the law when they did not. There are some regulations on the press I am sure, if this had not taken place and she was not driving her lawyers would probably issued a statement. Besides, in the second photo, the front right wheel is pointing outwards towards the road (we drive on the left in the UK), if she had just pulled onto the side of the road, wouldn’t the wheel have been pointing the other way?
The roads in Berkshire and much of the country side are very very very narrow. I would like to agree with you that it was in her private property, but the ground is tarmac, it appears to slope downwards at the end of the road (classic of English country lanes), there are a number of grasses and plants on the edge of the road which would usually be tidier if it was someone’s house and there is a lampost just behind her. Even if the photo was of her driving along just outside of her house, she would have been on the road whilst on her phone.
At least she would have learnt her lesson and we can say that she does travel in her car presumably to work.
October 14th, 2008 08:10
… here’s what I think happened: She was driving down their drive way (which could possibly be rather lengthy), saw the paps, stopped when she was about to turn into the street, made her call and then left. The wide angle pic does show the wheels turned but her hands aren’t on the wheel. How could she take a turn and drive to the left without at least one hand on the wheel?
The pic of her supposedly going straight ahead may have been taken before the other one not after she had actually taken the turn into the main street…
… assuming she was still in her driveway, would that be an offense as well?
However, in the aerial pic (thanks dagsi) the driveway looks sandy whereas Kate’s car in this pic is standing on a dark asphalt road. Possibly the road in the aerial pic. Is this a public street or a private road leading to the main street? If it is a public road then she would have comitted an offense. If it is private property I would say, she did not…
October 14th, 2008 08:39
Yes, the photo does not show her hands on the top of the wheel but they could be nearer the bottom, I know lots of people who drive that way when they are going slowly (she was definately not going fast if she was driving)
It is the lampost and the side of the road that tells me that she was not on a driveway. The lamp is just behind the car leaving a very very small gap for a driveway.
The road would be a public road. I know someone showed her house on Google Earth once and the road outside was a public one. If it was not, the paps could not have taken and published photos as it is illegal to when a person is on private property.
October 14th, 2008 08:40
Right Trixie so she wasn’t actually driving with the phone in her hand but the press will make a big deal about it and that is expected. Ked, William is working with the MOD and they are keeping that under wraps. They leave for Africa tomorrow I believe.
October 14th, 2008 08:44
The press would not say that she was driving if she was not. I know they can be really horrible at times but I pretty sure that there must be a law or regulation against that, to purposely accuse someone if they were innocent.
The side of the road is a grass bank which is a characteristic of an English country lane not a drive way of someone’s home.
October 14th, 2008 08:44
I’ve seen the series thanks BRW and I honestly don’t believe Kate Middleton was being persued as those paparazzo’s persue their victims in these latest pictures. People need to stop trying to make light of this and realise the serious consequences of someone driving with their phone to their ear. Regardless of who it is it is wrong and the police should prosecute. Even if she was being persued then she should have pulled over and called the police. Oh and I nearly forgot. When you leave Kate’s drive you are straight on the public road outside. Kate was clearly on the public road and therefore, unfortunately, breaking the law. This is so embarrassing for her but I cannot feel sorry for someone when they blatantly break the law.
October 14th, 2008 08:49
Fims is right.
Here is a quote from the PCC to prove my point about deliberate inaccuracies etc.:
“i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.”
If it was misleading (i.e she did not drive whilst on the phone) then she would have complained by now and the papers would have to apologies. Instead the article has been picked up more several more papers. If it was untrue or possibly untrue, would they really want to risk it?
October 14th, 2008 08:50
Okay again, you can see in the picture that the car wasn’t moving but yes B, you better believe the press would say she was driving fast with the phone in her hand because they want a story on these two and royal news has been very dry lately. So yeah it’s embarrassing but they know the press want something from them. I bet TRT is picking her apart for that, it’s what they do best.
October 14th, 2008 08:52
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the car was most definately on a public road and moving. She needs to move quickly and pay a fine and admit her wrong doing or else she will lose face in front of the public.
http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture/editorial/all/quick-search.html?page=1
I think you have to search for Kate in this photographic page.
October 14th, 2008 08:57
TRT??? :S
The car obviously wasn’t moving fast but it could still be have been moving. A photo is just a STILL shot of something, I would not expect to see her car move in a photo.
And if she had parked it against the side of the road (which I doubt), the roads are narrow with lots of corners in that part of England and it would still have been a dangerous action to do so.
Either way, a hand free set would have been the more responsible choice.
October 14th, 2008 08:59
Thanks Fims, great searching
October 14th, 2008 09:07
People!! if Catherine use mobile phone in her car
that’s so ordinary!!! maybe in British to forbid that behaviour but in my country is not, okay maybe sometimes so dangerous! but comeback to us again, that’s risk or not??
October 14th, 2008 09:08
Oh I just saw it on another site. Someone else posted the address.
October 14th, 2008 09:09
the royal truth site B. I have to be frank here, I understand that W&K have been very busy lately but they haven’t given the media anything in weeks so when they pictured her with a phone in her hand before she went on the road, they took full advantage of that and ran with it. The headlines now is saying, “Kate, driving while on phone.” They want something to write.
October 14th, 2008 09:23
Oh right well thanks anyway Fims for showing us all over here. I’ll go and have a look at the site then if that’s where the photos are from, they may have some other information over there.
Yes, they want something to write about, yes she should not be prosecuted for it. But it was still a crime. About 18 months ago there were lots of news about them both but we still got the article about her getting a ticket from the police officer. I don’t think this article is due to a lack of interest (although a lot recently are), but rather the fact that she did break a law. It probably would have appeared whether there was news or not.
Poor girl, well at least she will know to be more careful and not to do it again. Most people only learn that way when they are caught.
mariskaagusta: In the UK a lot of accidents were being caused due to people driving whilst talking on their phone.
Quote from the Independent:
” spokesman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents said he could not comment on the alleged incident but highlighted the danger of using a handset while at the wheel.
He said: “It’s a serious issue and one of the big problems. Mobile telephones have become part of everybody’s lives.
“Some people can’t separate themselves from them but what the evidence shows is, as you drive along, you get sucked into the telephone conversation and pay less attention to the road.
“You start to tailgate, vary your speed and wander about on the road. All these things make you more likely to crash.” ”
http://tinyurl.com/4r3865
It is a safety precaution really because a lot of people have been killed because of drivers using their phones.
Just to let you know mariskaagusta
October 14th, 2008 09:24
P.S. The photos that were posted show very clearly that she was ALREADY on the road not before.
October 14th, 2008 09:26
No it was the royalforum actualy.
October 14th, 2008 09:37
Okay, thanks Fims I’ll have a look at that site as well.
October 14th, 2008 09:49
Let me just point out that she was on the phone before getting on the main road, the other pictures shows her clearly driving while not on phone. So lets just that fact straight. While driving on the road she was holding her hand up so the paps couldn’t get her but she could clearly see while driving. So she is not driving blindly as they are saying. If she was driving on the main road and on the phone, then you bet she would be in trouble. So the tabs is making it a big deal and running with that. She know that she got to get use to that. Not too long ago the press was going crazy over William or Harry driving too fast, they just like to pick on these people.
October 14th, 2008 10:12
Photos of her with her hand over her face are from a different day. It looks like she is wearing a white top whilst when she was on the phone she is wearing a black one, so we cannot compare those at all.
The photos of her on the phone are clearly not taken when she was on a drive way for 2 reasons:
a) The surroundings are completely wrong
b) Her drive would be classified as private property and photos from that could not be published.
She is clearly driving as in one photo she is turning to go around the corner and the next she has gone around the corner and is driving along the road, with her phone.
October 14th, 2008 10:21
If you zoom in you can see that iin the pics that show her driving on the road she is wearing white, in the ones with the mobile black. So either she changed cloths WHILE DRIVING or the pics were taken on different days – a sign that the paps have been following her around Berkshire recently.
I guess one can simply agree to disagree about the mobile phone pics. I see nothing to proof 100% that she was indeed driving on a public road (because the pics do not show enough of the surroundings to be sure) and the pics that clearly show her driving on a public road, do not show her on the phone and must have clearly been taken on another day…
October 14th, 2008 10:25
… forgot to add: Are the figures with the pics correct? So mobile phones were linked to a total of 65 accidents in the UK per year only???? And that’s supposed to be a problem with undoubtedly thousands of accidents annually? I am sure a similar amount of accidents were caused because people were picking their nose, or tuning the radio or they simply missed a 0 behind their numbers…
October 14th, 2008 10:27
http://tinyurl.com/45npuu
If you look at the first two she has not yet gone around the corner. In the next one she has gone around the corner and in the fourth she is driving along the road. You can tell she has moved around the corner rather than it just being a different view because the position of the fence, the post and the wire coming down from it remains the same in all photos. It is just the car that is moving.
But Trixie, I will second that idea and we can all agree to disagree.
October 14th, 2008 10:31
… I see your point B but that still doesn’t proof that it was a public road she’s driving on and not a private premise. Of course the paps would say she was in public since they couldn’t sell the pics otherwise…
October 14th, 2008 10:38
I repeat, if it was a private road the press would not be allowed to publish the photographs according to PCC regulations.
Quote from PCC code of practice:
“ii) It is unacceptable to photograph individuals in a private place without their consent.”
I am presuming that Kate did not ask to be photographed.
October 14th, 2008 10:39
Hello,
I think too much is now being made of the incident and by continuing the chat here we are adding to this.
I don’t say this to excuse KM and the press attention may be from one agency but this I doubt.
I believe that the press are out in force as they either sense or have been tipped off that there is a massive story about to break as quite a few ‘penmen’ have been away from usual haunts the last week or so. Of course they may be in Africa but who knows?
Probably there is some knowledge out there they and are now waiting for something or someone to confirm their suspicions and I think this close attention has been going on since towards the end of september.
Whatever the story is it will be interesting to see how it breaks so keep alert on both sides of the pond for even the slightest bit of news.
I’m sure some of the eagle eyes on here will come up with something.
October 14th, 2008 10:42
Do you mean that you don’t think that Kate was driving with her phone?
October 14th, 2008 10:46
My point exactly B and that’s why the paps say it was taken on a public road – because they couldn’t sell it otherwise. Doesn’t make it true.
Enough of this however. I am sure if Kate is innocent her lawyers will see to this story, if she is not and has committed an offence I guess we’ll hear abot that too…
It definitely looks like the paps have been pursueing her now in Berkshire. However I don’t think it is because they know something or expect an “announcement” but simply because there has been zero news about Kate and Will for over a months now. I think the fact that they now go as far as follwing her around Berkshire proves that the press do NOT have any access to inside info or they wouldn’t need to follow Kate to see what she’s doing. Their sources if they existed would clearly tell them what she is doing and they could safe money to send someone after her.
The press wants new material hence they made the effort and go to Berkshire and follow her around just to see what they can get. And this is all they could come up with, which leads me to believe that she has just been going about her regular business …
October 14th, 2008 10:50
I wonder if their are stipulations to the PCC regulations? For instance, the PCC regulation expires after a certain amount of time or IF they were to break up.
October 14th, 2008 10:50
Completely agree.
However, they aren’t allowed to publish it if it was on private property, so they wouldn’t. Besides, it looks like a public road; tarmac, really long grasses on the bank (no lawnmowers) and the fence. If there was a problem with it I’m guessing that Kate would have already contacted her lawyers, she is usually pretty quick on that sort of thing.
Anyway, when do/did they go to Africa? The Bond premiere is soon isn’t it?
October 14th, 2008 10:52
The Bond premiere is October 29. If I understood H’s information correctly then Will and Harry will strat their treck on tomorrow and return 12 days later on October 27 (if they do the whole tour and not just a part of it).
October 14th, 2008 10:54
Oh right thanks Trixie. I thought that it would take longer than that, but that does make sense.
October 14th, 2008 10:58
Trixie you are hitting it right on the head. I agree a little Ked. Great to see you back Ked.
October 14th, 2008 11:13
No, as far as I am aware regulations do not “run out”, there is no time frame because even if they were not dating, any private photos taken would still have to remain so because they were taken in a private place. The people would still want their privacy respected no matter what happened in the past or future.
October 14th, 2008 11:15
I think the photos on Belga were taken on different days. In one she has on a black shirt while on the phone and the other the shirt is white. Maybe she took her jacket off?
October 14th, 2008 11:21
Yeah, the shirt is different and it didn’t look like she was wearing a jacket. I remember reading somewhere about the first set (covering her face) a few days before we saw the photos with the mobile phone.
October 14th, 2008 11:31
B, that’s right! But we found no photos of the sighting. I don’t think and maybe you can tell me, that the PCC regulations would continue indefinately? I am wondering why photogs are surfacing around her house, when they know they would be in violation?
October 14th, 2008 11:33
B, sorry read your post to late. Repeat of same question. I thought Ked mentioned PW might be training in SA?
October 14th, 2008 11:34
Gracie
I think the press are beginning to get desperate with the lack of royal news. No body knows what is going on and at a guess someone wants to break the exclusive!
I guess this had to happen at sometime. They have tried very hard to keep her out of the limelight but since William announced a change of plan (or a change of what every body expected) the press have been hungry. I hope the stalking doesn’t lead to something terrible happening.
October 14th, 2008 11:38
They are very hungry but we got the events coming up soon so they will get some pictures then. But they want something now and I understand that but they didn’t have to make it look like she was speeding on the road with a phone in her hand.
October 14th, 2008 11:40
Ked is right though, maybe we need to stop talking about it.
October 14th, 2008 11:41
B
You are assuming that the photographers are playing by the rules. Do you remember the pictures of Kate lifting the boxes?? I’m not 100% sure but weren’t they on private property too??
What about when they were dear stalking last Christmas up at Balmoral wasn’t that on private property?
What about the numerous pictures which were taken on private property i.e. pippa in the pyramid but not given permission to publish by pippa but published anyway???
Even if they were eventually taken down I feel as if a lot of people got to see & judge them.
October 14th, 2008 11:52
A summary of the pictures presented from Belga shows 2 occasions with Kate in the car.
(1) Wearing white. She was NOT on her phone but at one point covered her face to shield herself from paps. This was the picture they used in the Daily Star, claimed to have been taken last Friday, when she worked at Party Pieces from 0900 to 1830 and dropped by the doctor after.
(2) Wearing black. Claimed to have been taken Monday. ON the phone on a narrow road. Was the car moving? Stationary? Public road? private road? I don’t think it matters that much.
What I find distressing is the fact that photographers have been following her around Berkshire, and most possibly very near her home. It looks like one particular pap, actually, from Newspix International, who took shots from both days. I believe Kate left London to find sanctuary in the privacy of the country, and it’s utterly disgusting if they’ve decided to camp out near her home and follow her around like they did in her London flat. These relentless photogs need to be stopped!
And I agree with Ked that perhaps we should stop talking about this. It’s gotten overblown already. People are talking and debating as if she’s committed the crime of the century.
October 14th, 2008 11:57
Well let’s talk abot Will and Harry then. We should (hopefully) get plenty of pics of their African adventure soon. Do you think William will get involved with any of the other charities that profit from the ride? He isnot very visibly linked to any particular cause yet though he has taken on Centre point. But it’s been a while since he was last seen there (2006 if I am not mistaken).
October 14th, 2008 12:17
dagsi,
I agree that the story and attachments seem to come from that one agency and with branches and leaves showing may have been taken from concealed road side venues.
I understood that UK papers agreed not not publish photographs from Paps ?
What has changed ? The absence of news or the absence of censure from PCC ? Or the thought that the lawers will not be so thorough or agressive at this time.
There is a definite shifting of balance and the papers are taking advantage but if photographers are darting out from cover to take photographs is that acceptable. It would seem so.
October 14th, 2008 12:44
Ked, I think other than driving while on the phone – illegal – the photos show that she is doing well ?! Doesn’t look to be depressed or under the spell of a break up ?
October 14th, 2008 12:44
I agree dagsi and Ked. I hope we get some great pictures from the African trip. Do you think the girls will go?
October 14th, 2008 12:47
Ked, I agree. Something has changed for photogs to risk taking these now. I think it would be better for CH to announce what the deal is, before the press gets it first. Or perhaps that is how they want it to happen. Have you heard anything?
October 14th, 2008 12:48
Me, the break up is just speculation.
October 14th, 2008 12:51
Rman, I think Chelsy and Harry looked burnt in their last photos. Perhaps Harry and Chelsy have already gone?
October 14th, 2008 12:54
Well we just have to wait and see.
October 14th, 2008 13:05
Maybe Ked has a crush on Kate.
Just sayin.
October 14th, 2008 13:20
Vicki R,
Too true !!
Ever seen her ?
October 14th, 2008 13:28
Ked has been near by her, very close, was that at the Afrika Afrika ?! I believe, you gave us a vivid description of your encounter and she exudes some air of awe, her aura.
October 14th, 2008 13:37
Hey I got a crush on her too, lol. I mean I have said it before, boy William is truly lucky. But there’s no shame in my game, I think she is a good looking woman and she will only get better once she get’s older.
Wasn’t there a rumor that Prince wanted to meet her? And Nelson Mandela grandson’s couldn’t help but talk about her.
October 14th, 2008 13:42
Yes, well according to the press you know.
October 14th, 2008 14:46
I agree with ked that we should stop discussing this. I must say I find it truely amazing the attention this young lady garners. I still feel the bigger story is her still being hunted while driving. Did they not learn anything from 1997? Very sad if Kate ends up physically injured as a result of the paps.
October 14th, 2008 15:29
lol yes but I am female and prefer William
And Harry as well, he seems a lot of fun.
October 14th, 2008 15:35
I’d prefer William. Harry looks too terrible for my taste – I mean past snorting vodka, I think I’d get in shock with any kind of unusual behavior.
October 14th, 2008 16:33
Same here Me!
I’ve seen her ked as well, but as a woman I didn’t feel her “aura”. She seemed like a pleasant enough young woman to me when I saw her (not that I spoke to her at all), I used to see her when I was London a lot last year. I thought that she was pretty ordinary really.
October 14th, 2008 16:37
You know, I wonder how Kate & Chelsy feel about other girls wanting their Prince’s?
October 14th, 2008 16:43
I am sure many Rman.
B, as you see her pretty ordinary. There are two descriptions of ordinary, related to people in the dictionary; of no special quality or interest. Or somewhat inferior or below average; mediocre. What would it be that you saw in her when living in London and frecuenting the same places to see her ?
October 14th, 2008 16:48
I wonder what William and Harry feel about being princes.
October 14th, 2008 16:54
Me
Harry is a lot younger and a lot wilder!! I do prefer William as well but I could see how a lot of girls would be interested in Harry. He did look pretty hot when they showed pictures of him Afghanistan.
As for Kate I think she is beautiful!! Stunning even but beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. What one individual sees as ordinary as per B another like me will see as someone extra ordinary!!
I doubt Rman that it bothers Chelsy or Kate much beyond mild irritation. Chelsy and Kate are the ones that they come home to at night, that they travel with & are invited to events, and ultimately have their phone numbers
Everyone else is trying to get to that level. They already have it!
October 14th, 2008 16:59
Apryl that is hard to tell because they where born within, although there mom wanted to have them try the normal life, look at the results. Some like it and agree, other more old stylish conservative don’t.
October 14th, 2008 17:10
Lol, good point jj. I have always considered myself a prince because I believe in order to be a good prince, it has to be in the heart. So in my heart, I am a prince. Now I just need to find my Princess, lol.
October 14th, 2008 17:14
Yeah, I mean not everyone is good at politics and much of being a ruler has to do with politics.
October 14th, 2008 17:17
William may get offers from girls wanting to be with a prince, but who would want to deal w/RF and all the stuff that comes w/them. I think that is why it is rumored that William has a hard time dating girls in his circle/titled because they know first hand how the RF is.
October 14th, 2008 17:39
I agree Gracie
I think William is gorgeous & I have respect for the Royal Family but there is no way that I would want any part of it. Your life is not your own. I would assume that your phones are bugged as well as your families & friends phones being bugged. You are hounded relentlessly by the paparazzi. You have no idea which one of your friends (as per Chelsy Davy) will sell you out to the highest bidder & what that will mean for you when they do.
As much as it is a mild irritation there are constantly girls throwing themselves at your boyfriend and the criticism for so much as sneezing never ends…. Doesn’t sound like fun to me even with all of the clothes, holidays & velvet ropes thrown in.
October 14th, 2008 17:53
I asked my hubby his opinion, and he says in his opinion she’s very pretty and looks very physically fit, but he feels that she’s a little small in the upper body for his personal tastes
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It could be that I think Kate is pretty because I have one thing in common with her, my eyes are hazel also. But I have to admit that my eyes aren’t a beautiful green/blue/grey hazel like Kate’s, mine are more of a pale tan/gold/green colour, which isn’t nearly as exotic-looking as Kate’s eyes. I usually try to wear green or blue tops because it emphasises the slight greenish colour in my eyes more.
As for this whole mobile phone-whilst-driving fiasco:
IMO, If Kate was indeed driving and her car wasn’t stopped, then she shouldn’t have been talking on her mobile. I think she was very wrong if that’s what happened, and I also think that if she wasn’t stopped then she should’ve used good judgement and pulled over to the side of the road. I don’t condone speaking on a mobile while driving unless you have a bluetooth or some other type of hands-free earpiece. So if she was actually moving, then she was at fault and she should deal with the situation accordingly. It’s very possible that the authorities will investigate this situation just because of the publicity of the incident.
But with that being said I also want to say this:
What’s wrong with the situation is that neither I nor anyone else in the public should know anything about this. There is no reason for the newspapers to know anything about Kate Middleton talking on her mobile while driving on a country road just behind her parents home. Why on earth is there even have a photo of it?!!
WHY are the paparrazzo in Berkshire taking photos of Kate? She’s not anywhere near London in those photos, so why are the paps even close to her home and snapping photos of her in the first place?
I’m not saying that Kate wasn’t wrong if she was driving and talking on her mobile at the same time, because it is wrong to do that.
What I’m saying is that the paps had absolutely no business being anywhere close to Kate’s home in Berks. It’s like she’s being hunted down like an animal. I’ve seen a deer hunt that was less intrusive than this!!
What are they doing, parking across the road from their home and just waiting for Kate to leave? How horrible is this? Can they possibly get any MORE intrusive?
<_< Seriously, the only way the paps could get any worse is if they try to take photos of Kate in the lavatory.
October 14th, 2008 17:58
Rman, gracie,
I am sure that you are both correct but how does one put a ‘commoners’ heart into a Royal body when the genes, upbringing and heritage still advance the ‘Droit de Seigneur’ mentality and heart.
Perhaps blue blooded daughters ,whilst accepting it in past times , have now realised that they may obtain happier lives and marriages a little further ‘down the chain’ whilst still retaining their privileges and enjoying loyalty from partners.
October 14th, 2008 18:15
Mapleleaf,
Actually, I saw something on the news last year about how a news reporter’s sister followed Kate into a public bathroom
but she didn’t have a camera and there were no pictures. Anyone else remember that?
October 14th, 2008 18:16
You are right Ked.
October 14th, 2008 19:39
Ked, if they break up, do you think both will move on to someone else quickly?
October 14th, 2008 19:48
Its hard to tell, both have been so non PDA, we actually know very little about them, other than pics of their holidays, their private lives and what they did and do have not spilled out (beans).
October 14th, 2008 20:00
I don’t think I do Apryl.
October 14th, 2008 20:01
Apryl I recall that story. It was the sister of an Australian new reporter.
October 14th, 2008 20:07
Mapleleaf,I have been saying all day that I feel the Papparazzi following Kate is the bigger story here. I am sorry but it is outrageous that they track her to her home in Berkshire. She has a right to be upset and to try to get things changed. Dating William comes with some complications for sure but here is where I draw the line. If not for the mobile phone issue,what is newsworthy about Kate Middleton driving her car? Or riding her bike? It is wrong and it should be addressed once and for all. JMO
October 14th, 2008 20:09
Also they are so private and which is one of the reasons why people are always doubting them is because they can’t tell where their relationship stand at times. But what you can tell is the love they have for each other is what keeps them together. I just see them as the future of The Monarchy.
October 14th, 2008 20:12
You know Lisa, the tabs is something else.
October 14th, 2008 20:13
May God help her ! She is a tough cookie, and I’m glad she is one.
October 14th, 2008 20:34
Well, your right the tabs are something else but Kate’s treatment by the media is unacceptable,IMO. I must admit that when I look at things objectively, it irks me that William or CH have are not doing anything( or enough) to fix the situation. It seems like they leave her out there to deal with it on her own and it makes me wonder if William intends on making her his wife someday. I don’t doubt that he loves her. He must after all this time but he sure does not wear his intentions on his sleeve and it is beginning to annoy me.(not that my opinion matters one iota.)
October 14th, 2008 20:38
The tabs invent a lot of bs. It must be very hard for Kate, but if and when the BRF starts to answer back, you know it will be the end for the Firm, the Media would be the boss. Ignoring the bashing is just the right answer, IMO.
Maybe something is cooking. We will just have to have pacience and wait for the good or bad news. I hope everything and I feel all is fine.
October 14th, 2008 20:58
Although we can see they are busy, I feel something is cooking too and it has a good smell.
October 14th, 2008 21:01
why are people making such a big deal about kate driving and using her cell phone? A lot of people do that, so what’s so special about it?
October 15th, 2008 01:05
Me: When I said she was ordinary I meant just like everyone else; I didn’t feel an “aura” coming from her. I have only passed in her streets or shops a couple of times of course so I’m hardly the best judge, but she just gave the impression that she was like anyone of the other people I know; just an average girl going shopping or wherever she was going at the time. This was last year as well as I haven’t been to London for a while, not since I moved into my current house.
jj: That is what is so wonderful about people, we all see things and people in different ways. I only see her as being pretty but not necesarily beautiful (refer to article in DM which discussed something similar last week; it said lots of women are pretty but few are beautiful). But someone like you sees her as being beautiful. I think it’s based on what everyone’s idea of beauty is and it’s good that we all have different opinion.
sonia: dangerous driving is a big issue at the moment within the UK. There have been a number of very sad cases in the past few months and the government is/is thinking of tightening regulations and the law. If a person drives whilst using their phone they are putting themselves and other people at risk as it is a potential dangerous thing to do, particularly in small country lanes where there are so many corners people have to be very careful. Yes, lots of people may do it, although I don’t personally know someone who does (don’t want to be caught by the police), but all of those people are doing something wrong. I think the main argument by people who are annoyed is that Kate could potentially be the future Queen and that she is setting a bad example by committing a road traffic offense, especially one which puts peoples lives at risk. A parking ticket is one thing (she got that last year) but a lot of accidents and unhappiness has been caused by someone driving whilst on their phone and not paying attention.
Apryl
I remember that
October 15th, 2008 05:27
Lisa, I agree with you. First of all we have Kate being attacked in the media for waiting & not working, then her brother & sister are attacked & humiliated for being social climbers & party animals, then she is attacked for falling over in an un lady like fashion at a charity event & now the papparazzi are following her around in Berkshire looking for a story & from the pictures of her in her car on Friday & on Monday they are intimidating her. I really think that it is not right to treat some-one like this and I am amazed that she continues to just turn the other cheek; i think that if I was in this situation with my every move under the microscope that I would crack up!! She must really love him is all I can say.
I had thought that maybe the plan was for PW to do his training, for KM to work with her parents & live quietly in Berkshire, for them both to work on improving their images & then marry in 2010. Though the Search & rescue announcement was unexpected PW’s behaviour in June, July & aug seemed very much like some-one in love so I couldn’t believe that he could change so radically in a matter of 2 weeks.
But given the current situation I do not think that this scenario is a sustainable position. If PW effectively “disappears” into the RAF, protected for the next year & a half leaving Kate to fend for herself, which is what appears to be happening at the moment – she will probably be destroyed mentally if not literally.
I really wish that either PW / CH would show her some support, at least providing some protection or alternatively by bringing her into the royal fold; or alternatively PW should break up with her (or she should dump him!). In this situation there will be an initial media frenzy but it will die down eventually & she can move on.
I know that PW doesn’t like the media & also that CH can’t be seen to respond to every news story but PW hasn’t be sighted now for over 5 weeks, not even out for a curry with the troops like earlier in the year. It is starting to look like he is keeping his head down & letting his (ex) girlfriend take the heat – this is ungentlemanly & certainly not the kind of behaviour that you would expect from a future king. I do so hope that he & CH / BH uses either the motorcycle trip, the James bond premier or PC’s birthday celebrations to demonstrate their support for Kate. Fingers crossed
ps. One thought is that the reason for PW not having been seen for the last 5 weeks couls be that he is away on a “secret mission with the SAS”, which the press are aware of but aren’t allowed to mention & they want to get a picture of Kate when she meets up with him – now my imagination has really gone wild!!
pps. Ked, you asked me a few days ago for my views of the past, present & future. Regarding the Search & Rescue announcement I think that you have to separate out decisions around (a) PW’s role, the wider issues around the succession which are coming to the fore now & PW’s own character & maturity and (b) decisions around his relationship with KM. Given his future role in life the 2 are separate; though once decisions are made around (a) they are likely to influence (b). I can expand on what I mean if you are interested. As I said before, these are only my own views & are likely to be totally wrong!!
ppps. As I’m writing this rather long post, I am feeling rather guilty; I know that most of us only just want a happy ending but may be we shouldn’t be discussing their relationship like this. I would hate that by discussing them, we are just encouraging the newspapers to go to greater lengths to get the next news story…..
October 15th, 2008 06:30
I never quite know what people mean when they suggest William “step up” for Kate or protect her. What can he do? A bodyguard can’t keep paps from taking pictures and whether he or she could drive more safely than Kate herself while pursued by the paps remains to be seen. CH doesn’t hold almighty power over the press! They CANNOT stop them from writing about Kate. They have called upon the papers to respect her privacy last year and up until now most refrained from publishing pap pics of her at home. There was no reason to believe she could not live in quiet and piece in Berkshire. She has done so over the last months without much interruption.
Do you believe William provinding a photo op evry other day will take the heat off Kate?
What do you want him to do realistically?
October 15th, 2008 06:36
I think you all are making mountains – i am too in that sense but i really think that whilst KM is an unbelievably immature self-centered person there is no reason to belittle her about it.
I mean well all get what’s coming to us eventually don’t we???
I’m sure that one day she will get hers, HRH Prince William will get his and the world will keep existing, newspapers and magazines will keep selling until well eternity. it is life get over it and move on.
October 15th, 2008 07:14
I’ve just heard that there is an announcement coming next Wednesday. Its neither about split nor engagement but just clarity about some of the issues that have been covered by press, i.e PW and PC paying for KM’s protection officers.
October 15th, 2008 07:32
H, good post! Have you heard anymore about if they are in Africa or not? I kind of think Harry went already. Just a guess though.
Pretty, where did you get that info from? I have not heard that yet.
October 15th, 2008 07:36
IF William and Kate have broke, its silly for CH/BP to think this will all go away and no one will ask questions. Kate has to much press interest and it seems the more she stays hidden the more the press wants her. I think IF the is the end of the road for them, they should just announce it. Man up to it!
October 15th, 2008 07:54
Trixie,you make valid points. I am not sure what should be done. Maybe the new PR person William has will work on it. Pressure on newspaper editors to stop with the constant stories,many of which are quite obviously made up? IF Kate was pursued on bikes or in cars by photographers,they should be hauled into the police station and given warnings and their media cards(that store the pictures) could be taken.
I am not suggesting William get on London’s tallest building and declare his love for Kate but she is in this pickle because she is HIS girlfriend and I believe he should try to do something to make things less difficult. JMO.
October 15th, 2008 08:06
I just don’t see what that something could be. If Kate is harassed by paps, she can start legal proceedings herself. She does not need William to do so.
The palace has obviously pressured the papers behind closed doors or they woudn’t have left Kate alone so much this year but apparently the press ran out of patience so they do not abide by the gentlemen’s agreement any longer. But a gentlemen’s agreement is all the palace could do for Kate. They cannot forbid the papers to take her picture or write made up stories. KATE is the one who would be entitled to take legal action.
October 15th, 2008 08:16
Pretty, where did you hear that? I looked at the news today and couldn’t find it, but then again I’m in the U.S.
October 15th, 2008 08:44
Shouldn’t the bike tour start today? Still no news, no pics?
October 15th, 2008 08:49
The tabs and press is always writing silly stories about the royals. there’s nothing they can do about that but ignore it. Of course I’m reading the latest news and they seem to be running away with the car phone picture. It’s the only royal story they got right now. I got my fingers crossed as well that things will be straighten out soon with the celebrations. The paps need to continue to leave her alone like they have been doing for a couple of weeks. I know they are running out of patients but they have to respect her privacy.
But they aren’t going to let go the car phone picture anytime soon, so brace yourseleves for more news on that.
October 15th, 2008 08:54
Trixie, the tour doesn’t start today – today is the day that normal participants start travelling out to Africa; I don’t think that the trek actually starts until Saturday. The trek then last 8 days. We don’t know though whether the Princes will complete all of the trek or just part of it?
October 15th, 2008 08:59
Jecca is engaged
http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities-news-in-pics/15-10-2008/49810/
October 15th, 2008 09:08
I was just about to publish that link, lisa! Interesting. Another Kenyan wedding to go to for William. I don’t like how they always refer to her as ex-girlfriend though. He publicly denied ever having a relationship with her. Does his word count for nothing?
October 15th, 2008 09:19
Maybe now certain people will stop suggesting that Jecca is William’s “other woman”,lol..
October 15th, 2008 09:37
If being in a longterm relationship hasn’t stopped them from suggesting as much, her marrying won’t either…
October 15th, 2008 09:53
Well atleast IF they were to break up, the press could not say it was because of Jecca if she is engaged to Hugh.
October 15th, 2008 09:55
Trixie,
I guess not, I mean he’s even said he doesn’t even read the papers, let alone talks to the press (if at all), and everyone says he does this and that just because of what they read *shrug.*
October 15th, 2008 10:26
I think Jecca is also a good example to proof how little public denials or statements help when it comes to the press. Even though CH made an OFFICIAL STATEMENT in 2003 saying that William was not and never had been in a relationship with Jecca, the press still writes the same old stories about the “pretend engagement” and calls her an ex-girlfriend. That clearly proves that the papers don’t care about the truth but only about what sounds interesting to sell…
October 15th, 2008 10:59
They will switch to Isabella, who seems to have broken up with Sam.
October 15th, 2008 11:08
Very true Trixie. It seems like all of William friends is getting engaged and married. My fingers my never be the same but I got them crossed and praying that they will take that step as well.
October 15th, 2008 11:17
Me, I think your right about Isabella. They will have to blame someone IF it happens. She is the only other one that the press have always said he had a crush on. Of course, that means nothing.
October 15th, 2008 11:27
Well while we are talking marriage, it seems like Madonna & Guy’s marriage has sadly reached it’s end. These Hollywood people get married and divorced so much it’s not even funny but what really bothers me is when children is involved.
People are always trying to hook William up with some other girl, but in the end he always let it be known that Kate is the important one and that seems to get alot of those other girls mad.
October 15th, 2008 11:56
“Pretty” are you able to expand on what the announcement is about?
I would be very surprised if it was just to respond to the protection officer article in the Daily Telegraph, as there have been a couple of articles written about Kate getting protection officers over the last year, which CH have ignored (espec since the articles don’t appear to be true). What would be great is if they are going to formally announce that Kate does need some protection, given the level of press attention & agro that she is getting and the danger that it may put her & others in (ie. if she crashes whilst having her hand over her face when driving)
Also how did you hear about it (if you are able to say), why would they announce an announcement??
October 15th, 2008 11:58
Well Rman
Madonna and Guy did at least last 7 years. That’s an awful long time by Hollywood standards. Hopefully this one won’t be bitter as there have been problems for a while it’s just a matter of working out the financial arrangements.
October 15th, 2008 12:04
H,I highly doubt there is any “announcement” coming next weds regarding some press article. CH doesn’t do such things as we all know. They surely would not announce a week ahead that they are announcing something in a week.
I did read once that certain editors( of respected newspapers and places like the BBC) would have short advance notice ahead of an engagement announcement but thats it. Otherwise they find out the news when we do.
October 15th, 2008 12:05
Pretty,
I did hear a week or so ago that there was to be an announcement or comments but I didn’t know under what context.
I did refer to it in a post but defered taking it any further until it was mentioned elsewhere.
gracie,
I personnaly think that they are still together as there is so much of their young lives that has been a meaningful loving and loyal relationship.
A relationship that has obviously not only been as lovers but as friends and also included many family events that PW so obviously appreciated.
There are however many chinese whispers going around ranging from an agreed several months trial separation to KM telling PW that she needs to get on with her life but if she was still unattached in X years and he was still interested they could talk again but would continue to meet occasionally as friends as his duty and commitments permitted.
It would be interesting to calculate the actual days they were together over the past year as against what other couples in similar relationships had.
I think they have both agreed their feelings for one another which have been a lot more publicaly expressed over the past few months than for a few years before but realise that duty, both family and constitutional may be a big barrier.
PW will need to realise that if he wants her then he must show his true feelings more publically than he has previously .
This I fear may be the biggest stumbling block as his stubbiness and paranoia over what he considers intrusion into his private life still obsess him. He must realise as his father and mother did years ago that the life they were been born into is very much public concern.
I wish both well and sincerely hope they can resolve all their difficulties both imagined and actual as it would be a great blow to both if they did agree to part irrevocably.
October 15th, 2008 12:05
H, I had the same questions too. I wonder where pretty heard it cause she has not responded when I asked her earlier. I have not found anything so far relating to it. I would not think that an engagement would have come before Charles b-day, so as not to take attention away from him. I wonder if it will be about a break up? IF that is the case they should go forward to make it public, so both PW and Kate can try to move on w/their lives. The public is not stupid and the longer they are not seen together the more speculation there will be.
October 15th, 2008 12:10
Ked, that sounds like Charles and Camilla to me. So what has made you change your attitude?
October 15th, 2008 12:19
If William and Kate are not going forward,I don’t think any announcement will be made. I think he will go do his RAF thing and she will remain behind. With images of them together for months on end people will get the picture. A “soft” breakup if you will.
October 15th, 2008 12:26
Ked, I thought all those public displays were premeditated on William part based on your theories?
October 15th, 2008 12:59
We just have to wait and see. What is happening now is they are simply busy and they must have realized that they would be very busy later this year so they spent extra time together awhile back. They didn’t waste anytime. Now we just have to wait and see what happens next. We are going through the stages with them without actually knowing them. This must be how the public felt back when other members of the royal family was taking their steps towards the alter. They just waited to see what happend next. It’s like they are telling us to be patient in their own way. The media just let that slip out the other ear.
October 15th, 2008 13:07
Lisa, if they are going to split then I think that CH are going to have to say some-thing. I don’t think that the press are going to give up hounding kate until they know one way or the other & I would hope that PW cares enough to try to minimise the attention & critism that she is getting. Also, I think the longer this goes on the worse PW is looking as well.
Sorry to re-hash, but what I really don’t get is why this is happening now & so suddenly. They have had their break up / quiet periods in April 2007 & in Winter 2008. Not only did they then continue going out, but instead since March they seemed be more visable with their relationship, more lovey dovey, she attended the Garter ceremony with the Royals (& other high profile events) & they went on holiday together both before & after his 5 week secondment in the Navy as if they couldn’t bear the time apart (& also I think that they were in Africa together in May before Phillip’s wedding as some-one saw her at the airport then). In the Aug holiday they were actually away with her parents – surely he would have made some excuse not to go if he was going to dump their daughter very shortly after?
Having said that Pw’s total disappearance over the last 5 weeks looks increasingly odd; but why would Kate stay hidden if she knew that they were breaking up? She must know that people aren’t just going to forget about her so it would be better for her that the split becomes known & that she can then show that she is getting on with her life.
Alternatively the announcement could be about the “secret SAS mission” that I mentioned before
I think that I am going to have to try to stop speculating now & just wait for the news.
October 15th, 2008 13:12
Because someone throws a “I heard”, look what it creates, great traffic in the BRW. Anyway good blogging, posting and reading, with the caution in the wind lines.
October 15th, 2008 13:15
That just we have to do H, is wait and see. You see the RAF thing really throw people off. If that was not announced then break up rumors would not be discussed. But something tells me that something good is going on and we again just wait and see what that is. Fingers crossed.
October 15th, 2008 13:16
CH said William would be training with the MoD, the air corps and the SAS in autumn. Who know where he is and what he’s doing right now. He may not even be in the UK or at least anywhere near Kate to actually be able to go out with her. It’s not only that we haven’t seen him with Kate, we haven’t seen him period.
Surely if he was enjoying single life somewhere we would at least have gotten a sighting or two of him out and about in some pub with friends or army mates – yet nothing… I an
m inclined to believe that the recent lack of news is due to William’s duty and not problems in the relationship.
How come Harry and Chelsy can spend months apart without as much as a whisper about problems like they did this summer and if we don’t see William and Kate together for a few weeks, evrything must be over?
October 15th, 2008 13:17
G’ah! Damn typos again…
October 15th, 2008 13:57
There’s not much of a worry with the relationship of Harry & Chelsy and they just focus on William & Kate more. Both couples draw my attention and I think it’s amazing how they manage to have a solid relationship is this media age. But Trixie it’s the same question I have been asking for some time now. Their relationships is just not good headline stories but the public wants to reassured that the future of The Monarchy will be okay so the public and media focus more on William & Kate.
October 15th, 2008 14:19
Hello,
Just think what may happen if, for any reason, PW doen’t go to Search and Rescue .
October 15th, 2008 14:32
Ked, why would he not go when CH has already announced it? What reason would they site for the change? It would have to be pretty good or else PW image would go to crap. Did he not make the decision himself to do the SAR? Ked, what are you getting at?
October 15th, 2008 14:33
KED, Give us the goods!!!
October 15th, 2008 14:49
There could be a few reasons that would keep William out of the program. many have been discussed here. First,the time investment may not be feasible for a man in his position,meaning he would not be able to pull his royal weight for quite some time. The investment in training him knowing he won’t be around long term. He could fail the vision test..I am sure there are more as well.
October 15th, 2008 14:52
But hasn’t CH already announced that he WILL train with the sea and rescue startng next January? I understood that to mean that his application was accepted – all the necessary tests and considerations made. So unless he got a medical condition of some sorts I cannot see why he would NOT do it.
October 15th, 2008 14:54
Lisa, I agree with all that you have said, but does it not seem silly that CH would announce this and then have to say he’s not doing it. I think that CH should not have approved it if they thought PW might flunk the entrance requirements, cause it would not bode well for PW. I think Ked is trying to start stuff cause we have nothing to talk about at this point.
October 15th, 2008 14:56
Trixie, totally right. Ked is starting to flip-flop on his theories to make us crazy!
October 15th, 2008 14:57
Who knows…maybe ked will enlighten us.
Plans can change. There are so many scenarios it would take us all day to list them. Maybe “waity Katey” told him she was done waiting…
October 15th, 2008 15:00
(laughing) Ked what are you getting at?
October 15th, 2008 15:01
I was reading on the other forum and they are saying that William and Harry are not going to Charles 60th. Has anyone heard of this?
October 15th, 2008 15:02
Lisa, maybe she did!
October 15th, 2008 15:04
No, gracie, haven’t read that anywhere.
October 15th, 2008 15:05
That’s it – I’ve had to give up on my resolution not to speculate already!!
Ked, you love stirring things up! – if you really do know something then please spit it out otherwise the rest of us are going to die of suspense. I some-times wonder whether you are a journalist in disguise trying to find a new angle
October 15th, 2008 15:23
Gracie, William & Harry may not be going to the “We Are Most Amused” gala. CH did not announce that they would attend just The Prince of Wales & The Duchess of Cornwall. That’s what they are talking about.
October 15th, 2008 15:55
Rman, maybe that’s right. Their claiming prior military engagements as the reason the princes won’t be attending. Who knows? Maybe Kate told PW to “straighten up and fly right.”
October 15th, 2008 16:04
Military commitments notwithstanding,I would imagine both William and Harry would be required to attend the Buckingham Palace party. It would really be disappointing to see Kate attend another family event alone. I really hope that does not happen.
October 15th, 2008 16:06
Rman, they are saying that PW and PH will attend “…Amused,” but will not be going to the party 2nights later due to military.
October 15th, 2008 16:11
I don’t know we just have to wait on that one. Kate is always determined to support his family at events even if she have to do it alone but hopefully she won’t be attending these events alone.
October 15th, 2008 16:13
Sorry I got it wrong, thank god I’m not their secretary! Rman is correct.
October 15th, 2008 16:18
Ked, what are you talking about?
October 15th, 2008 16:22
gracie,I don’t think ked knows anything. I think the question was thrown out there to stir things up,which apparently worked.
October 15th, 2008 16:26
All this speculation about them seperated, is almost like the last media blackout with one of the Princes, weren’t they also speculated to have been broken up??
October 15th, 2008 17:05
Lisa, I am starting to agree w/you on Ked.
October 15th, 2008 17:14
Guys Ked is just having a little fun with us, that’s all.
October 15th, 2008 17:24
I hear ya,rman and I am not going get into ked’s posts except to say that it appears some members do not appreciate this sort of hit and run dropping of hints with no follow up,especially right now when there is doubt about things.
October 15th, 2008 17:27
Obviously a majority don’t like a hit and run dropping of hints. I think the majority has expressed in some manner that opinion.
But I must say that his latest post had to do with the latest news posted by Steven, BRW referred to PH voted as most liked, wanted or whatever by gay people, it is clearly posted there, not under “Kate Middleton caught out dialing while driving”
October 15th, 2008 17:28
The point is, the royal family sells more papers when they are in a relationship rather than when they are single.
October 15th, 2008 17:34
But since Will, Ked have dropped bombs with no other than “I live close by, I heard in the pub I go in Kings road” or the sorts for a long time now, why bother to get annoyed about it. People discuss the hints thrown in the circle, some oldies have put the facts, end of the story.
Let the newbies enjoy and have fun with the hint posting, until a sour grape like me (not gonna put Trixie, Mapleleaf or any other person) drops in the links. Gotta have a lot of pacience to search database – copy/paste.
October 15th, 2008 17:37
Yup, agree Apryl, but the tabs know that Kate Middleton sells 5/1 over any Royal member, topping even Prince William, Harry, the Queen.
Got the statistics.
October 15th, 2008 18:05
Where is all of this information coming from that Harry and William will not attend some of the parties??
October 15th, 2008 18:06
Me
The newbies like me don’t like the run around either. It’s annoying enough not knowing what is going on never mind people stirring the pot….
October 15th, 2008 18:09
Someone here read over at the forum or created a thread that the Princes where not going to the “parties”. That’s all. There is only one existing news from the Telegraph which said that William and Harry will not attend the function, but no party was mentioned.
October 15th, 2008 19:00
Yep that’s also true, Me.
Most of us know at least some things about William and Harry, but not really about Chelsy or Kate.
October 15th, 2008 19:01
But, that’s the thing, the royals don’t WANT us to know everything about them, that would be an invasion of privacy.
October 15th, 2008 19:29
I misread what I had seem on another forum and I corrected myself afterwards. I am sorry for the mistake as we all do them. I know that several of you post on other blogs as well. I don’t. I like to read them to see if they have any new info that sometimes we don’t get here.
October 15th, 2008 20:04
Its okay Gracie, I read all the Royal forums, blogs related to the UK Monarchy. Its cool.
October 15th, 2008 23:02
what is pw react on this kate caught where is kate right now who is she calling at that time
October 16th, 2008 02:51
Prince William partying the night away at Whiskey Mist – October 16. I cannot enlarge the pic or access another one but it seems like he was alone.
http://colourpress.com/index.cfm?nPictureTypeNo=1
October 16th, 2008 02:53
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1078054/The-night-Paris-Christina-met-Wills-Eugenie-Bea.html
It seem sa little strange that William and Chelsy were out together without Harry. Isn’t Chelsy supposed to be in Leeds studying?
from the DM
The VIP section of London’s Whisky Mist bar must have been a little crowded last night as Hollywood and British royalty descended on the popular celebrity hotspot.
Heiress Paris Hilton and singer Christina Aguilera spent the evening rubbing shoulders with Prince William, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice and royal girlfriend Chelsy Davy at the Mayfair venue.
October 16th, 2008 04:34
Hello,
Check Sky .
PW may meet Olympic Athletes with HM later this am.
October 16th, 2008 04:42
Trixie,Maybe harry was unable to attend due to his military training. The bigger question is where was Kate? Under the weather hopefully. Otherwise I can’t say I recall William out to a club without her.
October 16th, 2008 04:45
Kate is in Berkshire working and unlike Chelsy she doesn’t take time off to party in London?
I think the last time Will ws out without Kate was last November but Kate is regularly out and about without him so I don’t see why he shouldn’t have the same “right” if she is unable to join because she’s WORKING!
October 16th, 2008 04:51
Trixie,good conclusions but it is disappointing that she was not there. It would have gone a long way in putting a stop to all this speculation. Sadly,this will just bring the break up rumors to a fever pitch today.
October 16th, 2008 05:10
I have to say, I don’t think that this is a good signal given the current “chatter” but you never know. It is possible that the reason PH wasn’t there but Chelsy was is that PH has just left for Africa for the trek & Chelsy had stayed down after the weekend to see him off.
PW could very well be delaying his trip out a day or so because of the heros parade as Ked suggests.
PW going out with Bea, Eugenie & Chelsy (& chelsy’s girlie friends) is rather an odd grouping. I didn’t think that PW socialised much with Bea?? (unless this is supposed to be a double signal!!)
One possible scenario is that Chelsy, who has gone out before with the Yorks decided to have a girlie night out given that she was down in London without Harry & because she was staying in Clarence House she asked PW if he wanted to tag along at the last minute. It’s about the only positive suggestion that I can think of.
On the other hand given Chelsy obviously wanted to send some time with “her man” before being parted for about 2 weeks it is surprising that Kate doesn’t want to too ……
October 16th, 2008 05:17
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/HeaxmldqVUX/Prince+William+Leaving+Met+Bar/2kIi8W_HZlp/Prince+William
More pics of William who apparently was at Met Bar – at least that’s what this caption at zimbo says. The pic the DM used is definitely out of this set.
I have yet to see a pic that actually shows him at Whiskey Mist. Zimbo doesn’t have any of him there.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/n28Vot5dUTz/Celebs+Out+Whisky+Mist+Nightclub
October 16th, 2008 05:18
H, he was at two clubs last night and judging by the pictures he was quite worse for the wear.Hopefully this does not turn into a bad day for William and Kate supporters
October 16th, 2008 05:25
What is Chelsy doing in London anyways? Isn’t she supposed to be at university?
I don’t think William was there WITH Chelsy and her friends. They didn’t arrive together and they didn’t leave together either. Chelsy probably stayed at her friends – not at CH – since she left with them. Bea and Eugenie are out and about so much nowadays that it could simply have been a coincidence that they were at the same spot together -IF WIlliam was indeed there, too. It is strange that none of William’s usual crowd was there – another oddity.
), Bea and Eugenie just is too odd. I cannot imagine that he would feel very comfortable but then there is so far no picture proof that William was indeed at Whiskey Mist and not at Met Bar only.
But William with a crowd of Chelsy, 3 of her friends (the brunette looks cute btw.
I do not trust the DM to be correct in that one since they didn’t even mention that the pic they used was actually taken at Met Bar.
October 16th, 2008 05:29
Yes, I was just looking at the photos on another site & he was out alone (he must have met up with friends inside) and looked “pi**ed as a fart” – even bumping into a bollard!! It can’t even be that late yet as he then goes on elsewhere. Given that they were in clubs maybe we will hear more about what happened inside as the day goes on
This really looks like last time when they split up. I have a very bad feeling
October 16th, 2008 05:39
Trixie, you are exactly right. I just checked the photos against each other – the Met Bar photos & the Daily Mail photos & the photo that the DM shows of PW was one of the ones at the Met Bar. So we don’t even know that he went to Whisky Mist at all.
So who was PW out with???????
October 16th, 2008 05:48
H, I agree. Seems really odd and you can’t trust DM to get the story right. Atleast William looks happy even if he is drunk. Usually he look sullen. This does not look good for Kate fans, that’s for sure. I can not think of a reason why she could not go, unless its because she does not want the press to think she is a slacking on the job since it’s mid-week. I hope PW is not pic w/a new girl as that would not help him PR wise.
October 16th, 2008 06:00
The DM has updated the story. It just get worse all the time…
October 16th, 2008 06:09
I’ve just read it, not good at all – Prince Harry was now was there as well – PW spends 30 mins flirting with a blond girl & Chelsy arrives late & then PH supposedly ignores her.
I wish that they would just announce a split if they have split up – this just looks like PW is rubbing Kate’s nose in it
October 16th, 2008 06:12
I don’t think Harry was there. If he was, I think Chelsy would have left w/him. Maybe this is suppose to be a distraction so William and Harry can go to Africa? Maybe Harry has already left. Until I see photos of Harry there I will not believe it. Odd story. Chelsy going to party w/Pippa. I think William needs to lay off the sauce! He looks thinner on his head and body, and stop using starch when ironing the jeans. Harry needs to show him how to dress! I said PW looked happy, but he just looks lost.
October 16th, 2008 06:14
The whole thing is odd. First of all,what happened to the bike race? Aren’t they supposed to be in Africa? Second,why hasn’t the DM jumped on the William and Kate breakup angle. Instead they seem to downplay things a bit. Chelsy partying with Pippa? Kate was not at that party either? Is she under the weather or in Africa already? So many more questions then answers…I also don’t believe all these details from inside that club.
October 16th, 2008 06:15
gracie,I TOTALLY agree about William laying off the sauce. not a good thing…
October 16th, 2008 06:17
H, I agree. We have not seen Kate for a month and when we do she on her cell phone in Berks. She is not out partying. If anything this is going to look bad for William if he breaks up w/her now. She looks like she is working and keeping quiet in Berks and PW still out getting drunk.
October 16th, 2008 06:24
I know Ked mentioned that maybe this whole scenario was planned to help get PW image back on track and breaking up w/Kate was apart of it, but this is not good PR for William. Its going to look like the last time they broke, that William dumped her cause he got cold feet, she was good enough, PC didn’t like her, etc.. and the RF will come out looking like snobs. PW does not look like a man who is happy or he wouldn’t get trashed when he drinks. No one else looked bleary-eyed.
October 16th, 2008 06:29
The new updated article makes it bad for Wills, Harry and Chelsy.
October 16th, 2008 06:31
I don’t think we have all the facts at this point. You brought up a good point,gracie..if harry was there,why no pictures? Why would Chelsy leave without him?
The theory about William breaking up with Kate/reuniting to get him image back was/is ridiculous.
William needs to stop getting trashed when he is out like this. Talk about bad PR? He gets trashed at every social event he goes to,it seems.
October 16th, 2008 06:32
Following the wording of the DM:
Blond trying hard to get Wills attention
Harry with 2 pals, Chelsy arrives late and Harry ignores her. –
Chelsy asks the DJ to put a song, dancing with girlfriends because Harry ignores her, the song is appropriate because of the H ignoring C. – So what is this – and PARTYING WITH PIPPA !!!
OH MY…
October 16th, 2008 06:34
Me,maybe both princes are in the royal doghouse!
October 16th, 2008 06:36
hahahaha
The DM sure did make a ROYAL gossip.
October 16th, 2008 06:38
I do believe the wise one of the group stayed home and is probably glad she did!
October 16th, 2008 06:40
I think that the pictures of Chelsy & her friends are probably of her arriving & not leaving. They don’t seem to have any pictures of any of them leaving
October 16th, 2008 06:42
For sure, it would have been a bashing all Kate article.
October 16th, 2008 06:44
I am so confused, really. The bodyguard that was w/PW at Met bar was also seen in photos w/ Beatrice at Whiskey. If you look at Wenn, Beatrice and Eugenie were also at another bar that night w/Fergie and Camilla al Fayed. Don’t they have underground tunnels systems in London? Maybe special people like RF can go between all these clubs underground? Just a thought as to why we don’t see them enter, just exit.
October 16th, 2008 06:46
gracie,I think once they show up the word gets out and the paps appear,which is why all the exit pics and few if any entrance shots.
October 16th, 2008 07:00
To sum up:
Fact: William was at Met Bar – no pic of anyone else with him there, no report about what he did there
fact: Chelsy was at Whiskey Mist as were Bea and Eugenie
DM info: William and Harry were at Whiskey Mist, too but there are no pics of them there at all – why when the paps got everyone else? Did they beam out of the venue?
DM: William TALKED to a blond woman for 30 minutes. Guess the guy isn’t even allowed to talk to someone of the oposite sex anmore. :rolleyes:
DM info: Chelsy was at another club before, celebrating with Pippa – no pics
DM info: Harry and Chelsy arrived seprately at Whiskey Mist with their friends. Haryr ignored Chelsy after she arrived at the club
none of the things the DM writes makes much sense to me. I expected them to write something about William and other woman but what they discribe sound VERY harmless to me – not even the usual talk about him dancing, laughing, hugging, kissing or whatever else they supposedly say he did with another woman…Where were HIS friends? Harry was there with two mates, Chelsy with her girls and William????
the Chelsy Harry episode is strange, too. Why would they go out seperately with their respecitve friends to the same club? Why would Harry ignore Chelsy if she especially went to London (probably to see him?)?
October 16th, 2008 07:08
Pretty (poster in the BRW) said something was up this wednesday (yesterday). Nothing good nor bad (engagement or breakup), so she probably is part of Chelsy’s friends and new about the “planned” outing.
October 16th, 2008 07:11
For all we know the blonde woman that PW was talking to could have been Chelsy. Fergie, Eugenie and Beatrice went to Zuma to eat maybe first? Camilla al Fayed was there too, but left w/other group of girls.
October 16th, 2008 07:15
Me, Pretty said that was next Wednesday and it would be an announcement of some sort. Not to many details though.
October 16th, 2008 07:15
I don’t find the PH & CD scenario that strange. Given that they were seen together in London on the w/e, they have probably been together for a few days now. So she decides to have a girls night out, he has a guys night out & she then meets up with him at the end of the evening.
To be honest, given the very vivid descriptions I would say that some-one saw the interchanges between paris hilton & the princes.
October 16th, 2008 07:33
H, I don’t find it strange either. I am surprised that no picture has surfaced of Harry being there.
October 16th, 2008 07:33
You do not find it strange to come and go with your friends to a club while your b/f comes and goes TO THE SAME CLUB with his friends seperately? And then you ignore each other? I would never do such a thing and I cannot imagine that 3 days together are enough to make them do such strange things…
However what I find most odd is that there simply aren’t any pics of William and/or Harry at Whiskey Mist. The paps were obviously there and got pics of everyone welse who was so why not of W&H?
I also find it odd that William reportedly sat alone at a table seperate from Harry to talk to that blond, yet at the same time the article doesn’t say that they arrived and left together, she was definitely not pictured with him at the Met Bar before and the DM doesn’t discribe their behaviour as very flirty or romantic so she does not seem to have been a date. So William was out completely alone? He didn’t arrive and leave with Harry either who was with two of his mates. None of William’s friends were there… Who goes out to a bar and a nightclub alone?
October 16th, 2008 07:48
William’s bodygard was seen at Whiskey w/Beatrice, but did not leave w/her. He’s the guy in the green coat. Unless he is a bouncer, but he looks more like RF security to me. I think William was too trashed to be seen walking out the front door as he was already looking smashed leaving the Met.
October 16th, 2008 07:50
… and Harry?
October 16th, 2008 07:51
wow, this is screwed up thats for sure! Soooo happy Kate was not there. I am personally not convinced harry was at WM at all. If he was,it looks like there could be trouble in H/C land…
October 16th, 2008 07:55
btw. william didn’t look all THAT drunk to me. He walked up straight and his bodyguard (who looks so tiny next to Will
) need not steady him. I never heard of the Princes leave a club through anything but the front door and I am sure if WIlliam was too drunk to leave on his own two feed the article would have made mention of that.
Yes William ran into that thing (don’t know what they are called) but that doesn’t mean he was drunk, just clumsy or blinded by the flashlights.
October 16th, 2008 08:12
Trixie, all you have to do is look at PW eyes to tell he has had a few to many. They look glazed and not able to focus well. Everyone has their own theory of drunkeness I suppose. Alcoholism runs in my family and I have seen that glazed look a many times before. Not saying PW is an alcoholic, but I think he had alot to drink that night.
October 16th, 2008 08:15
I didn’t say he was sober but a tall guy like him who is no stranger to alcohol needs A LOT to be incapable to walk the few steps to the car alone – which was your theory why there were no pics of him at Whiskey Mist. He surely drank but the the pics we have and the discription in the DM doesn’t indicate that he was completely wasted to the point that he couldn’t wlak anymore…
October 16th, 2008 08:18
What I would really like to know is where William has been all this time? I think that if he had come to WM w/someone or left w/someone we would have known about it by now.
October 16th, 2008 08:23
I assume with the MoD or the SAS.
October 16th, 2008 08:27
Trixie, that depends on if he drinks on a regular basis. I don’t know what his thresh hold for consuming alcohol is. Just because he is tall does not mean it takes more for him to get drunk. Your stomach/liver determines how much a person can handle. We can agree to disagree.
October 16th, 2008 09:21
http://www.osoblog.tv/2008/10/paris_hilton_parties_with_prin.html
I found this….what is going on with William and Kate? They seem to be more apart than together.
And here’s one of a pic with William in it, this one says Kate was absent as well:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1078054/When-Harry-snubbed-Paris-Queens-clubs-fails-win-royal-racy-dance.html
October 16th, 2008 09:22
Well it was good to see William. Kate must be working hard and keeping her image up. I think that their plan because she was getting a lot of negitive attention about not working. Yes I believe that he is working with the MOD as well. He just probably wanted to go out for a drink alone.
October 16th, 2008 09:26
I dunno, I would have gone with him, lots of women at bars *shrug.* I don’t think William cares anything about what people think about image, quite frankly, why should he? He’s rich.
October 16th, 2008 09:35
I think if William cared so much about his image he would not be going to clubs, looking non-sober. I don’t think that helps his image much. It also creates more inquiry into breakup rumors. Personally, I don’t get why William does not do more mature things instead of clubbing. He is bound to have other interest, right?
October 16th, 2008 09:37
It would have been very nice to see them out together but William does go out without her from time to time so it’s not that interesting but she may be holding out for the birthday celebrations.
October 16th, 2008 09:40
Yes I do think it will add to the rumors but Kate may just be looking after her image now and she has been doing that well for a month now.
October 16th, 2008 09:45
True, Gracie, but women are often far more sophisticated than men, no matter what the age (haha no offense to men).
October 16th, 2008 09:54
I spelled bored wrong. sorry. I agree w/ Apryl that I would not want PW to go to the clubs alone cause there are lots of girls. But, I suppose that’s were the trust issue would come in.
October 16th, 2008 10:11
Going to a club seems more like a date outing, esp. if you have a gf or bf…makes you wonder why Kate wasn’t there, I don’t think it had anything to do with her job, it was really late at night and most offices are closed at that hour.
October 16th, 2008 10:11
lol that’s okay about the spelling Gracie.
October 16th, 2008 10:23
Hello,
I don’t know how or where pretty got the information about an announcement but I believe that several editors did have a standby alert on yesterday.
The fact that there was that expectation may have lead to the publishing of the KM photographs which we know were taken several days earlier as a starter. That it hasn’t been followed up anywhere by a mention again today is most unusual. Normally the papers would milk it for the extra headline.
The reports of PW ’soak up’ on the town is also unusual especially in line with any flying he may be expected to do. All the flying services are very strict about excessive alcohol consumption by their pilots. He had obviously had a fair amount to drink but I admit to having seen him a lot worse.
Which brings me to one of the options I mentioned previously for KM , perhaps she has said come back in a few years if your still interested and possibly when you’ve grown up a little.
October 16th, 2008 10:26
Apryl, I agree. There would be no reason why she could not go, cause she has gone before w/PW and worked too. I can also understand why she would not cause of the PR issues she has had of late, but you would think William would not go if that was the case. William didn’t leave w/ any of his friends as he usually does, he left alone. Most guys go to clubs w/friends especially if your a prince who wants to blend in and does not like alot of attention. I think he had a date, with who, who knows? Maybe Kate went and left through back door? Something does not smell right in my book.
October 16th, 2008 10:31
Ked, I hope if that is the case that Kate made the decision. I think both she and William will move on then. Alot can happen in a couple of years especially to a prince. So do you think they were going to announce a split?
October 16th, 2008 10:32
Exactly
There is absolutely no reason why she couldn’t have been there. I sense a split is coming I’m afraid. She usually always goes out with William to these things….
October 16th, 2008 10:34
To top it all off, he was there with Paris HILTON. If that’s not a slap in the face to a woman, I dunno what is. Even though he didn’t do anything, most women are kind of jealous of her.
October 16th, 2008 10:34
Gracie
I think if the bad press continues for her they will have to announce a split. Especially if she continues to be hounded by the paps. She is a private individual and deserves to be left alone if she is no longer dating him. So sad. Oh well I guess they gave it a shot…
October 16th, 2008 10:42
There is one major reason for Kate not to be there: WORK!
Chelsy actually didn’t have a reason to be there either. Her lazy ass should have been at university in Leeds where it belongs.
I don’t get why Kate is “allowed” to go out and have fun without William – when other men are at the club – but he shouldn’t be allowed to be out without her? He didn’t DO anything but TALK to another woman. I doubt any g/f should have a problem with her “man” talking to another woman. And Paris Hilton!?! Give me a break. Even the DM had to admit that neither Prince showed the slightest interest in her and that they did their best to ignore her.
October 16th, 2008 10:53
Trixie
I think you are right about Paris Hilton she is nothing to worry about. The thing that concerns me is that Kate usually doesn’t go out without William unless he is out of town. For example when he was deployed she went to the Mandela concert and to Wimbledon. When they are in London they usually go out together. It’s just weird that he went out without her when they usually present a united front. Something is definitely not right..
Even with work in Berkshire she could have driven up in the morning early she has done that before.
October 16th, 2008 10:54
Trixie, I guess it depends on what type of relationship they have. I wouldn’t go to club w/o my husband cause I don’t see the purpose of it. We didn’t go to clubs together after we got married either and I married at 21. I never liked going to clubs when I was teenager either. But I don’t drink. Maybe William and Chelsy are dating now?
October 16th, 2008 11:00
Hiya everyone!
jj: What has happened? You are usually so optimistic like Rman.
Trixie: She might not have had any lectures the next day and decided to go to London to study. There are a lot of research places in London which could be useful to her, so at the same time she may have decided to go out for the night. Plenty of students go out clubbing. There aren’t always strict schedules at university and maybe her course allows her to spend a lot of time from the university. I think I will wait until I find out what type of degree she gets before I judge her. She was always criticized for her love of partying when she was in SA, yet she managed to get a first.
Nobody has a problem with Kate clubbing as long as it is not in excess (like summer 2007) and she ensures that her work to party ratio is balanced. As she is working (or we hear that she is), it would have been fine for her to go clubbing.
October 16th, 2008 11:19
I’ll believe its over if an announcement is made of break up, photographic evidence of Wills with another girl (or Kate), or even 6 months of no news together of these two.
Ked interesting theory (Kate)
October 16th, 2008 11:29
The only time Kate was out partying in the middle of the week with William this year was August 15 after their Mustique holiday. Other than that most times she’s been out and about was during the weekend. Berkshire may not be far but it’s still at least 2 hours drive (including the traffic). So 2 hours to London, two hours back the next morning after a night out just to have a party with your b/f? When you have to work the next day?
I honestly don’t see the big deal. Harry was frequently seen out and about with Will and Kate last year, without Chelsy who was in Leeds studying – no prob and now when Kate possibly couldn’t go out because she may have to get up early the next morning everyone makes a huge drama out of it.
October 16th, 2008 11:35
I doubt that she would have said we could get back together in a few years if you’re still interested and have grown up. I don’t think that I could give a real reason as such why I think that but in the past it has always been William who has broken up with Kate (I know Kate has issued ultimatiums and an “on a break”, but that is not a real end to a relationship), I think it would be out of character for her to do so.
Also, we haven’t actually seen any behaviour which suggests that William is NOT grown up. The only thing I could possibly think of is the fact that he has not married Kate and that is hardly a crime. In fact if he was not 100% or ready to marry yet, he is being mature in waiting instead of rushing in and potentially ruining a marriage which could have otherwise worked.
I think that they are still dating but could be drifting apart. They are not the same people that they were when they met and they now what different things. I could not blame either Kate or William if they decided to end it. However, if they sort everything out they may end up getting married in a couple years.
I think I will follow Me in her actions; waiting until we have some real news.
BTW: Did anyone read the article about Kate being investigated for driving with her mobile? I think there was an article in the Express about it. There is a quote from Thames Valley police which says that it is being looked into but the most probable course of action is a letter being sent to her advising her on her behaviour- so a warning really.
October 16th, 2008 12:05
I do always usually try to see the bright side but this nightclub business has me worried.Actually I’ve been worried ever since the announcement was made about him not taking on royal duties next year. But time will tell.
October 16th, 2008 12:10
Where is Kate? I hate to be pessimistic but have had a feeling for a while things aren’t well in paradise.
October 16th, 2008 12:24
Well we just have to wait and see. I was so hoping for a sighting from them since we haven’t seen them together in awhile. The last photo was the wedding. Even though she didn’t accompany him the other night, I feel things are still going well. But she has really been working and the headlines have been pointing out that Kate is silencing her critics. She is really laying low and I hope it’s all for the right reasons.
October 16th, 2008 12:27
B,
Interesting point about Thames Valley Police ’s possible warning to KM.
I wonder what happened to the driver of the dark coloured Audi RS when PH was seen in passanger seat being driven at 100 mph on M3 in May ?
Wasn’t it Thames Valley Police who were investigating that and I wonder who the driver was?
October 16th, 2008 12:31
Ked what do you think is going on? I just hope we get a sighting soon.
October 16th, 2008 12:33
So it sounds like that investigation will go no where. Odd, that the Sun discusses the night out but does not even mention Kate name at all in the story. The press writing about where’s Kate and it over. I guess they might have been told not to by RF?
October 16th, 2008 12:40
Rman, I don’t think Ked can tell us any more than he has or make sense of what he has told us. If you go by his theories, they agreed on a quiet split, months ago and Kate will be w/TvS.
October 16th, 2008 12:40
I think I’ve cracked the Kate mystery. Royal Idea, Australia say there is a rift between Kate and princesses Bea and Eugenie, and William is stuck in the middle.
October 16th, 2008 12:41
Sorry it’s from New Idea, Australia magazine.
October 16th, 2008 12:44
Ked, can you tell us if you have heard if PL is still in the picture?
October 16th, 2008 12:46
I can not believe that PW would let E&B come between him and Kate. They have been together too long for something petty like that cause issues.
October 16th, 2008 12:46
I do believe that rift was made up by the press. It just make good gossip. In still think all is well but maybe Kate went to the party for Pippa but there is no pictures.
October 16th, 2008 12:51
I mean the party with Pippa not for Pippa.
October 16th, 2008 12:55
Rman,
Sorry old man I just don’t know.
The number of ‘bar and club house rumours’ increase daily but the polite consensus seems to be that KM has told him what to do.
I don’t really think that has happened but if one hasn’t apparently seen a loved one for, reportedly several weeks, and go out to get sloshed , who knows what has happened.
Some of the photographs do make him look a little rough . What’s happened to the handsome young looking prince?
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October 16th, 2008 12:55
i’ve been reading this blog for quite some time- very interesting and entertaining. I was a big Diana fan growing up and I love Kate! What a very pretty & sophisticated lady. I cannot understand all the Kate haters over there – she is simply lovely. Anyway, my theory is that there will be a big announcement and they are just laying low. Remember when John Kennedy Jr got married – it was a total suprise; everyone had thought he & Caroline had broken up because there were no photos of them together. That is what I think is going on here, I think there will be an engagement announcement after Prince Charles Bday and Kate is keeping a low profile so that the papers have nothing negative to say. GO KATE!!!
October 16th, 2008 12:59
Rman,
Don’t think KM and PM have been seen together since their holiday in Caribbean. PM is out and about in London and KM is at home with parents.
Seems strange and inconsistent with earlier times.
October 16th, 2008 13:00
That fills me with enthusiasm Kd
October 16th, 2008 13:02
I tried to find anything about the Valmont and could not find an event posted for that night. Odd, that no paps where there cause usually Pippa gets caught by them.
October 16th, 2008 13:02
Oh well Ked, If Kate “told PW what to do”, then this reminds me of her Saint Andrews days, when he was about to quit university.
October 16th, 2008 13:05
Maybe PM is the leaker of the chip or she has the hots for PW?
October 16th, 2008 13:05
Thank you for you answer Ked. Kd, that do make me feel much better. I think we all can agree that something is cooking here.
October 16th, 2008 13:07
I agree w/Me, kd is full of enthusiasm!
October 16th, 2008 13:19
gracie, the Valmont was celebrating their 1st birthday (anniversary), don’t you find it strange that no photogs there to picture that “special” ocassion for that club.
October 16th, 2008 13:24
Me, yes! I could not find anything on the web. I would think that if PM and CD were there they would have photos. I think it is BS. If they end up engaged after all this, I am going to be MAD.
October 16th, 2008 13:28
kd, you forgot that before Caroline, there was the long-time girlfriend Daryl who got dumped for Caroline. If you want to take the negative route, that is.
October 16th, 2008 13:33
I think he is enjoying his last bachelor days, if I may say so. People are always making fun of his bald spot but what can you say, it runs in the family. He’s not that young William with full head of hair anymore. That’s life. Kd, you are so right GO KATE!!!.
October 16th, 2008 13:53
I think the media is trying to portrait KM as a careless woman (not fit to be queen), this must be one more of those campaign of those anti KM people to make her look bad in the eyes of the public so that PW will not marry her. But, does it really matter that these pictures were published? is this going to change the perception PW has over KM and their relationship? I would rather suggest people to get over it. PW is very stubborn and once he makes a decision (whether to marry KM or not) there isnt anything that will change his mind. So I would suggest the media to stop wasting their time.
October 16th, 2008 13:53
I will say it is odd that none of the papers have keyed in on the breakup aspect considering Kate’s absense. I wonder if something is going on and they may be aware of it…wishful thinking,maybe.
October 16th, 2008 13:59
I guess they spare this angle for the days to come. After all they don’t get a lot of material from the young royals lately and have to fill their paper tomorrow too…
No doubt by tomorrow William will actually have hugged and kissed that blond woman he was merely talking to today and he will probably have left the club through the backdoor to meet with her later on…
Kate was actually crying in the pics with her hand in front of her face and Pippa and Chelsy were engaged in a b**** fight at the other nightclub….
October 16th, 2008 14:05
Sadly,trixie, if William was flirting with this woman, it is possible that she left and he followed. It happens all the time in situations when men don’t wish to be seen leaving with a lady.
Too many possibilities going on here.
One other possibility is that the engagement is imminent and Kate cannot be seen right now.
October 16th, 2008 14:10
… he was not seen, i.e. pictured at that club at all. If he wanted to make a point he’d have made sure to be seen leaving alone, but he didn’t. Now lets not make mountains out of mole hills and give the papers any ideas.
The DM actually said verbatim:
“Until this point William had been sitting with a blonde girl who was trying her hardest to flirt with him.
To me this translates into , she approached him, he was polite enough to talk to her and that’s that.
I know that the DM said he left shortly after the woman but to me it sounded more like he “fled” from Paris Hilton who had sat down at his table (without asking no doubt)…
October 16th, 2008 14:34
I am enthusiastic and hoping there will be an engagement. If there is not, PW is the biggest idiot next to his dad… sorry. KM has always maintained great composure and I think acts more regal than any of the younger royals. Don’t you think it is odd that the DM was overly nice about the article of PH & PW out last night – no scandels and they didn’t even mention KM MIA? Do you think they know something is coming and want to make sure they get a good scoop – or invite to BP when an announcement is made? And how does anyone know that PW & KM have not seen each other -just becuase there are no photos does not mean they haven’t been together.
October 16th, 2008 14:37
Hello,
If and please everyone note IF PW was at the club and IF he was talking to a blond for some time and if he was enjoying the experience then why would she suddenly leave the table and presumably the club ?
That would be considered bad form as it would be up to PW to leave first or to ask her to leave especially as they say he was enjoying her company.
IF she left at his request and IF he did leave shortly afterwards then this would be a tactical ploy to enable them to meet at an agreed venue.
It is all IF’s but don’t knock it as being impossible, unlikely, but not impossible and PW seems to have learnt lots from PC over the past 10 years and reportedly acts on his advice in one of the biggest decisions of his life so far,so why wouldn’t he use the tried and tested ploy for an assignment.
PC aparently used this ploy to his ‘advantage’ many times in his youth and even during the early part of his reignited affair with Camilla.
At the very least, IF PW did leave shortly after the blond, it shows bad judgement , because he knows his movements would be observed and noted.
Another IF.
If PW was not at the reception hosted by HM for the Olympic athletes at BP that would be an unforgivable snub for his future subjects, many of whom could become prominent citizens during the early part of his reign.
However, he may well be on his way to Africa.
Please don;t neglect to note the IF’s.
October 16th, 2008 14:43
…. of course it is possible. Anything is possible if one simply lines enough IF’s together.
It is also possible that he was abducted by aliens and therefore was not seen leaving the club…or that he didn’t enjoy her company quite as much and simply told the blond to f*** off.
October 16th, 2008 14:48
Trixie,
Snap.
Baited and hooked
Enmity noted and observed.
October 16th, 2008 14:48
William is a very nice guy so if someone tries to talk to him he would acknowledge them but that’s it, I don’t think he would want to answer to Kate. Hopefully a annoucement will come. Did William attend the reception for the athletes?
October 16th, 2008 14:59
Rman, I do not think William wasat the reception at least the articles don’t mention him. Was he supposed to attend?
A few links:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/7884610
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5idVyJxrO65T1z9SW-vGZWSx4kp5Q
ked, I never made a secret out of my dislike for your conspiracy theories and constant “hint” dropping without any substance to back it off. You need not lay out “baits” for me. I attack from the front not from behind…
October 16th, 2008 15:03
Just because things don’t work out doesn’t mean he’s an idiot. Just sayin.’
October 16th, 2008 15:03
so you think that he would be an idiot for not marrying Kate, kd?
If he did not want to marry Kate there must be a reason and the only real reason I think of would be that he did not love her enough.
So when would he be the biggest idiot:
– not marrying Kate
- Or marrying a woman who he does not love enough and therefore will not be happy?
I trust William to make the right decision in whatever he does and I will wish him the best of luck in that decision, just as I would wish anyone else. If he does not marry her there would be a reason and we just have to accept and respect that decision.
Yay, Rman’s back, optimism at last.
I think too much has been made of this nightclub. It is true I think that they may be having problems in their relationship at the moment but that happens in most relationships. I can’t say anything about what the outcome maybe but I can say that all I think happened is that he went clubbing, met a nice lady, had a chat- perfectly innocent and was with a lot of friends, and then when he felt he had to leave for whatever reason he did.
End of story IMO; just a guy going out meeting friends. I am sure that if we suspected our own partners every time they chatted to an attractive person of the opposite gender, we would be completely paranoid!
October 16th, 2008 15:04
ked,
William and Kate were last seen and photographed together at the wedding in Austria, which took place over Friday and Saturday, the 5th and 6th of September.
They were photographed together at the wedding, and they flew to Austria together on British Airways. That was confirmed because they were met at the airport together. Prior to that they were photographed leaving Club Raffles together after they returned from their Mustique holiday in August. The club Raffles pics were taken about two weeks before they were snapped at Chiara Hunt’s wedding.
A week after the wedding in Austria William’s new job with the RAF SARF was publicly announced. 1 week after that was the roller disco party for charity.
We haen’t seen Kate or William since then, up until the photos of Kate showed up that were taken on the 14th and the 10th of October, and the photos of Wills that were taken last night.
But a month is not a long time not to see them together, at the beginning of this year they weren’t seen together at all from from the end of December 2007 until March 2008!
There were all sorts of silly rumours flying around that they were on the rocks, and then Wills and Kate embarrassed all the naysayers and scotched all the silly rumours by popping up very much together in March at Klosters.
I think it’s best if we all wait and see at this juncture. They’re human, so it’s certainly possible that they’ve broken up, but somehow I doubt it. I just haven’t seen anything yet that convinces me that they are broken up. I think Kate is just staying low key until this issue with the mobile phone dies out. Of course this is only speculation on my part, but for some reason I have the feeling Kate is feeling a bit fed up with the paparrazzi and the unwarranted publicity she’s been receiving ever since the roller disco party.
She was really reamed in the press over that one, maybe since the mobile incident she’s just feeling like she doesn’t want to deal with the cameras and the paps for a little bit.
October 16th, 2008 15:31
That’s very plausible Mapleleaf.
October 16th, 2008 15:32
Ked, I admire Trixie because its true she has been frontal with you.
I’ve had my fair share with you, but not the bad cookies and back and forth whiffffff
October 16th, 2008 15:32
M-leaf, I can’t blame Kate for not wanting to go out. Cell-phone driving is against the law, but I can’t imagine that would be enough for her to not want to go out with PW. JMO.
Ked, I would hope that PW would have enough smarts to breakup w/Kate before he begins to take girls home from clubs.
October 16th, 2008 15:49
I’m just saying that if PW is putting off getting married just becuase he said he didn’t want to get married because he wanted to wait until a certain age like PC did back then, losing the woman he loved, marry some other woman who he did not love ruin her life and then after all the horrible press marry the woman he should have married way back.
October 16th, 2008 15:52
Thanks Me! Gracie I agree. I don’t want this to seem like ‘gang up on Ked day’ or anything, I just wanted to make sure the information was out there. There are many of us like Me, and you gracie, and Lisa and Trixie and Rman and alsgal who aren’t just optimistic, but we’re realistic too.
I realise that it’s possible for Wills and Kate to have broken up or to break up; they’re human so ANYTHING is possible. I am a very practical and down to earth person, and I tend to see things in conventional, down-to-earth terms. I haven’t yet seen any signs that would tell me that Wills and Kate have truly broken up.
I don’t like the whole “Wills sitting with a blonde for 30 minutes” implication in the tabloid articles, but what keeps me from really paying any attention to that little tidbit isn’t what they’re saying, it’s what they AREN’T saying!
What the tabs aren’t saying is that Wills was seen dancing, touching, or snogging the woman he was sitting next to or any other woman in the club. They didn’t say Wills was there until 3 am or anything like that, and all of the articles I’ve read about Wills’ night out last night said that he went to two clubs, and that he was with friends.
What that means to me is that Wills was simply out enjoying himself, just like Kate herself has done on occasion and Wills wasn’t present. Now if reports start popping up that Wills is dancing and putting his hands on women, or getting really close to them or snogging someone, then I would assume that he and Kate had broken up.
But so far, that’s not what’s being said, and that’s also not what’s being implied either. As Rman often says, I think all we can do is wait and see at this point.
October 16th, 2008 16:22
M-leaf, good post!
kd, that’s one heck of a run-on sentence you got there!
October 16th, 2008 16:39
If he is putting off marriage at the moment there is a reason for it, even if it is because of his age. It is normally assumed that if a person has to ask for a second opinion or has any doubts at all they are not ready for marriage. He may feel too young for it and not ready for that type of committment. But if he is pressurized into it, then it will just be a recipe for disaster. The only way a marriage can truely work well is if both people are 110% sure and ready for that level of committment.
PW is not PC at all and there is no pressure on him to marry. The only pressure he has put on him are by people who make comments which imply that if he does not marry Kate, he will not be happy as he may end up marrying someone he does not love.
I trust him and I hope everyone else can. Besides, I know this might sound harsh but at the end of the day it is his life and his decision and we can only respect those decisions.
M-leaf is right. As I said above as well, too much has been made of him just talking to a woman. There are no signs that they have broken up but there have been signs which indicate the possiblity of a potential split:
- no announcement yet which Kate apparently wants (and I believe she does)
-He has just announced more military plans (I do not see the RF wanting Kate to start life as a royal as a military wife)
- He has gone clubbing without her, something they usually do together.
- She has moved to Berkshire and is known working full time (allegedly) for her parents. This suggests to me that there are no immediate plans for an announcement as she not as close to London, CH, courtiers and the RF in general. Some people are asking if her working is preparaton for a break up.
So it could happen, and it has the potential to happen. I think it is a delicate situation for them at the moment and it could go either way.
Night Night
October 16th, 2008 16:58
Hi all,
I think we really don’t need to worry — I can’t see a reason why this means anything much at all.
Fact: Kate was photgraphed driving near her parents place recently.
Fact: Kate has been working hard for her parents, and perhaps wants to avoid the “Boujis
Effect” and the annoying paps for a bit. Understandable. Also, we might consider that Kate might have been tired from work, could have had the flu, or something else which prevented her from going into London.
I just don’t see the big deal — William and Kate have appeared very close when we’ve seen them together, and that wasn’t so long ago.
My gut feeling is leaning more towards a big announcement coming and Kate and William purposely laying low until then.
Not to worry.
October 16th, 2008 17:00
Hi B
although I do agree with most of your points I am confused with two of them. Why wouldn’t the RF want Kate to start married life as a military wife? The Queen herself was a military life and it is reported that her time in Malta were the happiest years of her marriage?
Secondly why would moving to Berkshire as opposed to living in London indicate a problem? They could just as easily announce an engagement at Balmoral?
London is actually where Kate was getting her worst press & being hounded by the press partying, shopping etc
October 16th, 2008 17:25
Hello,
PW has a perfect ight not to ask KM to marry him. That is fundamental.
I also think that they have very deep feelings for one another which go back many years. It is also probably true that PW trusts KM implicitly and has found it difficult to trust others , possibly because of rejection or just a fear of kiss and tell.
I do not know the real reason why they got back together last summer but I have seen the photographs of them together since that time and many of them showed, at the very least a certain disinterest.
He also appeared to ignore her , not just physically but in ways that showed he seemed not to want her around at certain events especially on family gatherings or when there was any possibility of her being considered his true partner.
This obviously changed early in 2008 and I think at that time they were very close to marriage but I believe that pressure from senior royals put a stop to that progress. Their fear being that as he had expressed doubts at some time a marriage with KM just may not have lasted and that was something they could not contemplate or perhaps even allow.
His real objective of persuading a very reluctant KM to get back together will never be known . KM was reluctant because she had seen herself and family vilified publically but she obviously trusted in his love for her which may have backfired on her and placed her in a very difficult and embarrassing position.
The press and publicity has obviously not helped and PW made no public effort to help or support her to his discredit. Protocol or tradition could have been set aside if he really wanted to protect her image, reputation and to show his real feelings.
He didn’t and by his surprise decision to continue his service carreer despite its lack of preparation for his eventual kingship both shocked and humiliated KM.
PW it appears finds it difficult to project himself into Royal (and therefore public) activities and has a certain self consciousness when he is forced into carrying them out.
One day I hope he finds himself and recognise that love with a trusted partner could well fulfil his life and give him that fulfilment that he probably craves. His known heavy drinking may well be, at present his way of coping but it is not a way of solving problems and is certainly not fair to a certain lady who deserves more.
October 16th, 2008 17:33
A blogger on the other forum has stated that her husband is also in the EnduroAfrica ride and he left tonight. She says that there is a media blackout and the “boys” are already there. They are asking for the media to give them privacy so that they can enjoy their journeys!
October 16th, 2008 17:52
Ked, if what you have stated might be true, then why would KM even want PW in a couple of years after he has grown up? If her reason for getting back w/him are unknown then why would you suggest otherwise?
October 16th, 2008 17:52
I don’t know, I just think he doesn’t like her as much as everyone thinks….the press does have a knack for making a “mountain out of a molehill” so to speak. Especially the tabloids.
October 16th, 2008 18:00
gracie,
I think PW has to make his own mind up and not rely upon PC, a renowned marriage councillor, or other senior Royals. If/when that day comes he may just find a life. I was really commenting on PW reason for getting back together, KM’s was obvious. She believed what he told her and there is attraction between them.
Again gracie if what you have discovered is true his night out was his farewell prior to the rally and KM nowhere is sight.
What does that say ?
October 16th, 2008 18:02
I feel for her Ked, and yes the press has trashed the Middleton family with bullying and bashing. If this relationship drifts or drifted already and she was the one who took the step to do so, I feel for her and I will be happy for whatever wise decision she has done. I always hope every happiness for both anyway, for whatever they (W&K) want to do with their lives. But I feel one always suffers more than the other. I wonder who it would be, the future King or the lady who may do with her life really whatever she wants to do ?
October 16th, 2008 18:08
Ok, I think this has been rehashed to death. The truth is *none* of us knows the personal details of the lives or feelings of William and Kate. Only they do. Only they know why they are together and only they will know the reason if they stop being a couple.
As far as we know,they are still together. In light of the recent speculation,I was disappointed that Kate was not out last night but it in no way indicates a split or trouble in their relationship.
I am going to stand back and wait and see what happens.
October 16th, 2008 18:23
Ked, I am being serious and you have to throw the ” renowned councillor” bit in and make me crack up! If that was a farewell party and Kate was not there, then that’s not nice. I think Harry flew over earlier and that is why we have no pictures of him. Have you heard about PL still being around?
October 16th, 2008 21:40
Lisa I’m with you, they have not given us any hint that they are not together any more and I have said this for a longtime, we just have to wait and see.
Kate as been laying low for awhile now and the Telegraph did say that she is looking for some security that Prince Charles will pay for so this should tell us something. Hopefully we will get some pictures soon.
October 18th, 2008 03:59
what was the reaction of the clearance house regarding that situation? who is kate talking with her phone? where is she going on that date?
October 18th, 2008 15:05
http://tinyurl.com/4xfc8e
Well I can understand why they would want to investigate it. I don’t think a full punishment would be appropriate because the police were not there at the time and it would be a bit unfair. However, I think it is appropriate that a warning should be sent.
It does depend though on her previous road traffic offenses record. She has the ticket but I don’t think there is anything else so a letter would be best.
October 21st, 2008 03:30
my .02 and miscellaneous rambling thoughts:
It must have been a shattering blow for KM to hear PW’s plans for long term military service.
And PW’s public announcement of these plans, combined with his failing to mention KM or her place in his life, made it all the more ghastly.
The only possible redemption for PW and for their relationship was for PW to make an immediate announcement of their engagement. Nothing short of this could possibly counter the massive blow.
It wouldn’t be enough at this point for PW and KM to have some secret wedding plans. KM has been publicly cast aside and mortified.
And, no engagement announcement followed. Now KM has moved and hasn’t been seen together with PW since.
PW’s recent visit to the bar and his appearance with Paris and the other women clearly cast him as single and available. There is no way his chatting and familiarity with those women could be construed as innocent, and no way it could ever be acceptable or likely if he were still in a relationship.
The most perplexing aspect of all this is PW’s relationship with KM during the past several months. They seemed to be genuinely in love, following months of PW’s distant and chilly behavior toward KM. So, which was sincere? And how can PW switch so easily from one stance to another?
On another note: do the royals ever attend any cultural events? Have they ever been seen at a ballet? Or an opera? Or the like? Do they only frequent bars?
October 21st, 2008 04:04
I am sorry anastasia but I cannot follow your reasoning. I think it is based on 5 wrong premises
1. that Kate didn’t know William’s plans to go to the RAF in advance
2. that they cannot get engaged or married while he is with the RAF
3. that William owes it to Kate or to anyone to make any form of announcement about her role in his life
4. that he MUST get engaged to her now
5. that it is wrong for him to talk to other women especially when they are celebrities.
The RAF plans were certainly not an ad hoc decision because htings like that take a lot of planning and the Sun already reported it in May. I see nthing to indicate Kate was the only one left out of those plans in William’s life while even journalists knew about them.
Soldiers can marry while serving.
William NEVER comments on his private life – and rightly so, IMO. The statement once made regarding Jecaa proves that no amount of announcements will stop the press or gossipers from repeating their theories over and over again. Jecca is still called an ex-g/f despite the denial and his love for Kate would still be questioned by those who don’t believe in it even if he yelled it from the roof tops
William is not obliged to marry Kate Middleton or anyone for that matter.
I do not see anything in the pictures of him with Christina and Paris that is inapproriate for a man in a relationship and no paper even claimed he danced, touched etc. other women. Actually I think the fact that he mainly talked to those two celebs, points into the direction that he was NOT out to flirt and possibly find another woman since it is undoubtedly out of the question that he’d break up Christina’s marriage or start something with Paris. I have the feeling the ongoing Paris/William tidbits are a PR campaign by Paris Hilton – we all know she is a notorious media w****.
Again I have the feeling what would be considered completely normal and unproblematic with other couples is made out to be a huge thing when it comes to William and Kate.
*end of rant*
October 21st, 2008 04:09
I forgot point
6. that Kate has been “waiting around” for William all those years and that he basically demanded her to do so and therefore is now bound to her
I feel she would have lived her life the way she has anyways regardless of William. Apparently she holds no desire to establish a certain career and feels comfortable at her parent’s business. Despite of what the press always claims, she also doesn’t strike me as someone sitting around at her bum waiting for a call from Wills.
October 21st, 2008 04:10
anastasia,
I would suggest that your summing up is a fair and realistic take on the affair.
I have said before that people have not really understood PW’s attitude.
It is as if matters have really overtaken him and he now does not know how to react.
He has always been stubborn, and has never taken kindly to advice from any side and it may be that he has taken this way out of a situation
which was spinning out of control and which gives him time to think and consider.
With an ageing Grandmother/Grandfather who work hard, a father who does get distracted by wild schemes along with many good works, but who gets very little family support I would think that they all expected PW to get involved and take responsibility for what is his birthright. To be the King of England and Commonwealth.
It is hard to contemplate how years in S and R help him for his eventual position in life especially as his service will be cossetted without doubt.
There is no way any of his senior officers would put him at risk despite what may be said and it must be hoped that this will not endanger others. That should also be a serious cosideration.
October 21st, 2008 04:11
The only place Kate Middleton has been publically cast aside and mortified is in the over active minds of some internet posters who hope for a break between William and Kate.
Seriously,what is the deal here folks? To read some posts on this site and others,you would think some of these posters are close personal friends of William and Kate.
I have no idea what the state of their relationship is but I will tell you one thing..there are a few people out there who are going to be quite disappointed if this lastest “dumping” they are so convinced is happening turns into a royal engagement!
October 21st, 2008 04:27
ked, I agree with you in so far that there seems to be no real “masterplan” to prepare William to be head-of-state one day (unless such preparation takes place completely in private). As far as I know at 26 he has yet to make his first public speech which is certainly unusual but I also think that it WILL be of great benefit for him to work with the S&R for some time as long as he does continue to take on more royal engagements as stated by CH.
However I also do not have the impression that William acts against the will of the palace or his advisors. I think CH is very happy with him keeping a more low profile after all a full time royal William possibly with a wife by his side will be the number one royal in the UK asap! No chance for Charles and Camilla to convince the British public that THEY should be the next King and Queen.
Whether it is wise to push William in the back like that, I do not know. I personally wished HM would take a more prominent role in educating him after all Charles can’t teach him how to be the head of state since he isn’t either. He should really profit from the Queen’s vast knowledge but since HM herself does not seem to see a need to council him, maybe we overanalyse a bit …
Sorry for all those long posts but I can’t seem to make it short.
October 21st, 2008 04:47
Trixie,
For you and I to agree on even a small topic must be a first. (No scepticism intended I assure you).
It may not have been obvious but whilst typing the last post I suddenly did have a feeling of dread.
If PW continues with his S and R training ,which in itself does have elements of danger, what consideration would be given if during a future operation the status of the rescue changes and it is considered that for PW to continue may put his life or limb in danger. It does happen and there have been many fatal accidents with military helicopters
Who makes the decision to pull him out, replace his helicopter or allow him to continue when even < 1% error may have to be considered.
I do hope the view of operational commanders have been taken into consideration and that they acknowledge the risk and safety element.
October 21st, 2008 05:07
B,
Your point about the police not being around may be irrelevant.
A motorcyclist published a video of his driving at 130 mph on Utube, was arrested and imprisoned yesterday.
Photographic evidence seems therefore to be acceptable but t was interesting to note that the police wanted to speak to the photographer.
I wonder why ?
November 5th, 2008 05:16
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