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November 11th, 2008 05:47
Trawling around the ‘net tonight I found this photo of Prince William arriving in Cardiff, Wales for a rugby match on the 8th November.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brainless-angel/3016965992/sizes/l/
November 11th, 2008 06:11
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2008/11/11/kate-middleton-hello/
This week’s magazine, issue number 1047, contains an insider report on the second-in-line to the throne and his girlfriend, who next year will have been together seven years. Read the answers to the burning questions on everyone’s lips, including why they haven’t been seen together lately, and what’s happened to the wedding plans.
Can anyone get his/her hands on the “inside report”?
November 11th, 2008 06:30
Trixie, I’ve tried to buy the digital version but it is not out yet. I’m going out later so I will get it then, but I wouldn’t be able to post the info till this evening. We did say that they needed to set the record straight & they are – it’s so annoying that I can’t buy the article online!!
By the way, given the title “Kate’s back!” with the picture of the middleton sisters & NOT of PW & Kate I am guessing it’s not marriage anytime soon. It’s interesting Ked said that we would hear news soon – I am sure he must work in the press.
November 11th, 2008 07:40
H, I think we are on to Ked! We’ll if Kate’s friends are talking to HELLO! again and she is still w/PW I can’t imagine it would go over well. Yet, it is the only way to get her side out w/o having a sit-down interview. It sounds like it might have little on Kate and more on Pippa.
November 11th, 2008 07:52
Gracie – the digital version is now online (go to the website & it is top right) so you can take a look; I don’t have a chance to read it as I have to run out of the door. Hopefully they will have it at the train station & I will read it on the train. Helen
November 11th, 2008 08:30
I bought the digital version. Really nothing new in it, says they are still together but marriage will not happen until atleast 2010. Kate is laying low due to the bad press and working at PP. She and PW threw a party at Birkhall, as we know, were they entertained friends. Made a point to say PC does not normally let them use the house for parties. Kate will be at Highgrove party and Pippa is the “It” girl of the moment working for Table Talk. James is working The Cake Kit. Written by Judy Wade, really just a rehash of what we already heard. She did say the palace did not like Kate’s photos from Disco.
November 11th, 2008 09:30
Wills, i think you not just speech at centre Point but i hope for all your new gossip of ypur lover pregnant!! he..he..it’s like pers conference he..he..
November 11th, 2008 10:33
Thank you for the inof, gracie. I had hoped for some real news but this sounds pretty much like a summary of the articles of the last weeks. No new revelations at all – that’s false advertising if you ask me.
November 11th, 2008 11:55
Trixie, I was not expecting much but still a little disapointed. I think the piece was more about selling Pippa, personally. Pippa on the cover alone would not sell issues, but w/Kate it would. Even the stuff about Pippa was taken directly from Tatler. I think HELLO! subscriptions is probably hurting and they came up with this to sell copies.
November 11th, 2008 12:10
As far as royal news is concerned with Hello! they tend to be a week behind the main stories and 98% of it is straight from other newspapers. The other 2% is for the odd occasion they begin speculation or a story or when they have a different source.
November 11th, 2008 13:49
Well that is no big news, we all know they are fine but just busy.
November 11th, 2008 13:51
I don’t know why the media has to make a big deal about William & Kate all the time. They are fine so that is that.
November 11th, 2008 13:54
Well it looks like we are left to wait for Charles’ birthday parties to get more of an idea what’s going on. Luckily it’s only 2 and 4 days to wait.
November 11th, 2008 14:12
Even if we don’t get any pictures we are going to hear about two royal couples that knocked everybody socks off.
November 11th, 2008 14:14
In the meantime does anyone know what William and Harry are currently doing? The PoW site diary doesn’t list any further engagements for William. Is he back with the Blues and Royals?
November 11th, 2008 14:32
I don’t think he is but just don’t have any royal duties at the moment. Probably taking a little break at home, he’s been busy throughout the week. Time to sit back and relax with your woman now, lol.
November 11th, 2008 15:54
Hello ! may be late in their royal articles, but 100 % of what they publish is always correct, just check out the archives and anyone who follows royalty will see.
You will not find Testino, Sisterhood Amazon or any trashy bit.
Yes they all are positive, but so what, at least when proof of event shows up, Hello !
November 11th, 2008 16:19
Well I got all excited to see the Hello! Issue only to find out that it was all stuff we already knew. From what it sounds like William and Kate want to put off being the royal couple as long as they can. This military gig will give them privacy similar to what they had at SA, away from the public eye and plenty of “couple” time. Good for them. Once they marry,that will all be out the door.
November 11th, 2008 16:24
But from what we heard so far the article only repeats stories printed in other papers before like that Kate and Will are not in a rush to have children and therefore do not yet consider marriage (from the Telegraph), that they spend the last weekend in Birkhall (Daily Express), that a wedding wouldn’t come before 18 months passed (the Telegraph again). The other information consists of public knowledge namely that Will will train with the SAR for the next years and Kate works at PP.
What did the article say about Pippa?
November 11th, 2008 16:25
I’m telling you that they have a plan in place and they will stick to it. But it will only cause more speculation. If you read some comments on Royal Truth website, it’s just crazy but William & Kate seem to always freeze that stuff out and carry on with their lives together.
November 11th, 2008 16:25
My comment was meant as reply to Me. I agree, lisa.
November 11th, 2008 16:37
I have to say that I was very disappointed in the Hello article – espec since it called itself an “exclusive”. I could almost see the other news articles over the last few weeks quoted, one after the other (even if they don’t necessarily logically fit together). The only additional piece of insight was that they gave us the exact dates of the Birkhall visit & they quote that PW can’t afford to pay for Kate’s protection.
Though the article was largely positive to them I found a couple of bits rather worrying. I should caveat this by saying that this is all assuming that Judy Wade knows anything at all about the situation:
- In one pargagraph she says that actually Kate is not interested in settling down & getting married yet anyway because of her loss of independence (Daily Telegraph article I guess) & yet in an earlier paragraph she says that wedding plans have been put back & have been delayed indefinitely (The Sun article I guess). Well that statement suggests that they had been talking / actively planning getting married but now have stopped. These 2 statements are contradictory
- One of the questions is “isn’t it strange for a girl of 27 to live with her parents?”. The answer given to this qu. is “The minute Kate begins sleeping under the same roof as her prince, it would signal their total commitment to each other. In other words, it would be as good as an announcement of their engagement. Raising the public’s expectations in this way would be unfair when it is unlikely that they will marry for a few years. It also gives both no chance to back out should they suffer any doubts that their marriage would work”.
Well that sounds like PW really does not want to commit & doesn’t know his own mind, otherwise why is he still at this stage worried about not being able to back out?
- Finally in the last paragraph it says so what does the future hold? Jude Wade says that there is little doubt that Kate has a permanent hold over William’s heart (ahhhhhhhhhhh!!) & that we should expect them to carry on as they are at the moment for the next few years. Her last paragraph says “they will however continue to escape whenever they can to enjoy skiing & sunshine holidays…. But if kate is prepared to wait & wait a little bit longer, one day she seems sure to have William’s ring”.
Well what a relationship for 2 27 year olds, who have been dating for 6/7 years, to just see each other for holidays. I can’t believe that she would suggest that that is any kind of proper relationship – it sounds very casual & she also ends the article with a re-emphasis of more waiting AND waiting for Kate – which isn’t a great statement either and certainly doesn’t put the whole thing in a good light.
Anyway, I would probably guess that Judy Wade doesn’t really know any inside info & is just re-iterating what she reads in the press. But I do think that it is a very strange article & if it was a PR attempt I don’t think that that article will stop the whispering.
November 11th, 2008 16:37
True, Trixie, I’d say its a confirmed article.
November 11th, 2008 16:52
Well,having not actually read the article myself,it really sounds like more guessing and speculation. I doubt anyone “official” gave these comments simply because no one with inside information would be discussing the marriage plans of the future King without fear of exposure so I have to take this with a grain of salt. Did someone say the article says William can’t afford to pay for Kate’s security? Not on his military salary he can’t but I would imagine there is enough money in his inheritance account to cover it.
It sounds like Hello! chose to capitalize on some recent articles and threw this together to sell magazines. JMO.
November 11th, 2008 16:57
I shouldn’t write such long posts – as in the mean time every one else has already made similar comments
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Lisa, rather than them getting lots of “couple time & privacy” I think that this article suggests that they will hardly see each other at all for the next couple of years except for holidays. He will be on intensive full time training in North Wales & she will be buried in Berkshire (keeping a low profile) & working full time for her parents. I am just hoping, like Roman, that there is actually a plan behind all this but I don’t see how an article suggesting that Kate should wait & wait helps.
November 11th, 2008 17:00
Quote from H:
…”can’t believe that she would suggest that that is any kind of proper relationship – it sounds very casual…”
Oh that does sound casual and does not bode well for the future if they only see each other occasionally. I hope that is not true but it may well be next year due to SAR.
If it is so casual then, are they ready for an engagement? I think that is the question that needs to be asked, not should they because they have dated for 5 years but rather are they ready to yet.
“One of the questions is “isn’t it strange for a girl of 27 to live with her parents?”. The answer given to this qu. is “The minute Kate begins sleeping under the same roof as her prince, it would signal their total commitment to each other. ”
She could live on her own under her own roof in London. Who says she has to live with her parents or her partner? This is the 21st century, women do live on their own. Sound like the interviewee forgot about that option.
Rman: which comments?
IMO, I do not think that they are ready for marriage. If we are to believe the news atm they are cooling down a bit. It seems to me that this relationship is hot, cold, hot, cold all the time. Once there is some consistency they will be fine but until then I think it will be too risky to take on such a large committment. Still best of luck to them whatever they decide.
November 11th, 2008 17:04
I don’t think there is a plan set in stone actually. I think they are making this up as they go along. People have been saying “I bet they will….next year” or “They will do this…” or “They have a plan to do this…” and William and Kate always surprise us and do not do it. If they had got married every time someone had predicted that they would they would have had more weddings that I have had hot dinners.
Waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting etc will not help Kate at all. It will do very little for her self esteem and confidence. Public opinion would be affected even more and if they do ever break up, she could end up feeling very lost as she has no real career or anything else to fall back on. I said yesterday what I thought the best option for her would be atm and I strongly believe that she does need to do something.
November 11th, 2008 17:06
H,I have not read the article, does it actually say they will see each other infrequently for the next two years?
The part about them living under the same roof signaling a total commitment is BS too because William and Kate have already shared the same home.
I can’t imagine them not doing soemthing to deal with the proximity issue. The public just may not know about it. Afterall,William, like many other officers is in the military, not a monestary!
November 11th, 2008 17:09
Lisa, yes the article says that PW’s total income (including private income) was only £250k pa. & that he couldn’t afford to pay for protection for Kate!
I do agree that I think that this article was totally cobbled together from other articles, you can literally recognise some of the wording -and with little thought of consistency. Some-times though, some-body may not know anything conclusive which they can point to but be getting a feeling for which way things are going and there is something about the tone of the article that is odd. I don’t know what other people think who have read the article??
November 11th, 2008 17:11
I’ll get the article tomorrow H and we can have a good natter about.
From experience Hello! does tend to just take things from other newspapers so it wouldn’t surprise me if they had this time.
Anything else good in the magazine?
November 11th, 2008 17:21
Lisa, Hi, yes the article does actually say that they will just be able to get away for holidays together. (Though of course in reality they could also meet up at weekends)
Also, & this is what I mean by it being contradictory, it mentions in one breath that they have lived together in St. Andrews but then in the next breath it says that they can’t do that again because of raising people’s expectations!!. I’m sorry that I can’t post the article so that you can read it as well.
The other thing that the article “”confirms”" is that her roller skating fall has sent shudders down the corridors of BP & led to back stabbing comments about conduct unsuitable for a future queen…. (Daily mail & daily express articles)
November 11th, 2008 17:25
I think it is different for two people to live together at uni and to live together as a couple. Personally I do not think William should live with anyone before he marries her, I just think it would put too much pressure on him and would make the press assume too much. Besides, it is hardly the right image for the future head of the CoE is it?
November 11th, 2008 17:26
Well,it sounds like the article is full of holes. As for the shuddering at the Palace regarding the conduct of a future Queen,maybe they should take a look at the past conduct of the current royals including Prince Phillip,Prince Harry,Prince William and Prince Charles before passing judgement on Kate, who last I looked was not a royal.
November 11th, 2008 17:34
Hi B, yes it would be great to get your view tomorrow. Quickly flicking through the rest of the magazine (I hadn’t read it all, just gone straight to the Will & Kate article!!) – I think that it must be a very slow news week. The whole magazine just seems to be re-iteration of news stories eg. Barack Obama winning, Prince Andrew & Eugiene in China, Simon Cowell breaking up etc etc. and then an interview with Anthea Turner & then of course the Will & Kate “”exclusive”", an article on Pippa & the middleton’s generally and then an article on 60 years of Prince Charles. So in short, not a great week!!
Hope that you are feeling better
November 11th, 2008 17:40
Sometimes the only way any of this makes sense to me is if Kate is a paid beard. That is often the explanation for when things don’t make sense and there is a major WTF situation.
Who else would want to live like that?
Seeing each other only on vacations and the odd weekend? Who are they kidding? That seems pretty normal in the early stages of a relationship, but after 5 years, and after having shacked up together?
IMO stunning Kate must either have extremely low self-esteem or she is very calculating to be willing to accept William’s crumbs at this point.
I also don’t buy the independent Kate angle — she has never supported herself and lives with her parents. That doesn’t make her a bad person, but it does provide evidence to the contrary.
If the article is even true. As someone already pointed out, Hello has been fairly accurate. Right now, I’m not sure that’s a good thing.
November 11th, 2008 17:40
Thanks H for the info about Hello! I think I will get though for the extra on William and Kate.
I am feeling better thanks. My partner came home on Friday and has been able to help look after my daughter. I’ve delayed my degree for a year because of the pregnancy which is annoying but for the best. Morning sickness is beginning to get a little better I think. It should go soon which is good. Thanks for asking though
November 11th, 2008 17:41
Yes I agree Lisa, espec given that this week that PW had to supposedly apologise for his conduct for inappropriate use of a military helicopter & not telling his superiors what he was doing.
which do you think is the more serious incident – falling over in shorts (whilst attempting to raise money for charity) or the afore mentioned!! Mmmmmm let me think
November 11th, 2008 17:52
Alsgal, I have often wondered that myself, but afraid I would get attacked for saying it. I also ponder why the other aristo girls don’t seem to be lining up for PW. I guess they know all to well the pitfalls of being in the RF? I seriously don’t know why Kate does not kick him to the curb. The more stuff that comes out detailing their relationship just makes it look like she is in eternal pergatory. I know the stuff is mostly crap, but all signs seem to point to a dead end.
November 11th, 2008 18:14
Gracie, it does seem like eternal purgatory indeed.
It wouldn’t seem that way if Kate spent a year on a sheep ranch in NZ knitting colourful sweaters, trekked across Nepal with her golden retriever, or taught underprivileged kids how to scuba dive off the coast of Belize — or even if she did something interesting close to home.
We all know that she won’t because she’s afraid to be too far away from PW.
Which wouldn’t seem so pathetic at the moment if he, too, was the stay-at-home house mouse type. At least they’d be well-matched.
Yet out of all the things he could do to serve his country, he has chosen a career that keeps him far away from her most of the time? All he has to do in order to see more of her is marry her so she can live on base. Why doesn’t he, if he loves her so much?
November 11th, 2008 18:21
Asgal. Gracie, That was my initial feeling when I read the Hello article, that though they supposedly set out to say that people who throught that their relationship was dodgy were wrong – that the points that they then highlighted did actually sound like they were cooling things off – not seeing each other much, BP back stabbing because of her fall, PW deciding that he didn’t want to do royal duties yet & marriage plans delayed, not being able to live together, PW exchanging telephone numbers with Paris Hilton & Kate having to wait & wait. What I wondered was whether this was being done to make people think, just what you are both thinking – what woman would put up with this – so that if Kate were to break things off that it wouldn’t come as too much of a shock. People would almost be resigned to it at this stage. The only thing about this scenario is that it really isn’t painting PW in a great light – though there is always the age old excuse that is brought out that “our lives were just moving in different directions, we were looking for different things & just grew apart, though we are still great friends – blah, blah, blah” – you could almost hear it.
Or alternatively on a positive thought, it could all be a huge double bluff so that PW can make a huge romantic gesture & say that we were going to wait but I loved her so much that I didn’t want us to be apart for so long….. I would much prefer this version
November 11th, 2008 18:23
DID YOU ALREADY READ THIS???
NOT HAVE BABY NO!!!
KATE IS NOT PREGNANCIES….
BRW
November 11th, 2008 05:20
Phantom pregnancies make stars shine – Sydney Morning Herald
“On the whole, headlines on gossip magazine covers are a load of tripe. Savvy readers of the weekly tattle rags are deeply aware of thisstories and column titbits that have nothing to do with facts. That’s if there are any facts to report…”
http://www.smh.com.au/news/lifeandstyle/people/phantom-pregnancies-make-stars-shine/20
November 11th, 2008 18:24
Alsgal, you are so right. If he cared deeply about her, he would protect her as much as possible from the press. Charles did it for Camilla. I know PW get a certain amount of $ from the purse, but did he not recieve money from Diana estate when he turned 25? Some potential bride for PW is getting shielded from the press so that she will be pristine when she and PW announce an engagement. That’s what I think the RF wants. I am sorry but I am not empressed with PW actions in his private or public life. He seems like another spoiled, rich, prince. Some may disagree w/me, but I have not seen the making of a great man. He could end all this crap and announce they have ended it. Live with the consequences and move forward. I think Kate should to. She should value herself more and cut ties w/him and make a life of her own. JMO.
November 11th, 2008 18:35
H, I know you would — and believe you me, so would I, but we just haven’t seen much indication yet that he will gut up and marry her anytime soon.
As for it not painting PW in a great light, I have to respectfully disagree and say I’ve changed my mind on that one. I am now of the mind that he owes her nothing, just as she owes him nothing, and that she is free to do whatever she wants, just as he is appears to be doing whatever he wants. (Even if that “whatever” has turned their relationship into something of a logistical nightmare.)
Thinking back to Christmas 2006 when the Middletons expected PW to show up at their beautifully decorated rental house in Scotland, when he didn’t show, and seemed to have gotten cold feet. He seems to get that way every time some sort of commitment is expected.
He seems to prefer to lay low and to have his freedom.
IMO that sort of man suits one kind of woman and that is a fiercely independent kind of woman, one who clearly has a life of her own.
God bless her, but I’m not so sure that would describe Kate.
November 11th, 2008 18:36
Gracie, I absolutely agree.
November 11th, 2008 18:59
Well, it has been said in the past that Kate used to be very shy and not popular, so perhaps some of her insecurities have not gone as far away as she would like us to believe…i.e. her comment about PW being lucky to be dating her rather than the other way around….
So, perhaps it is a lack of self-esteem that keeps her around, or perhaps it’s that he’s her first real love; and we all know that sometimes that can be an addiction that’s difficult to get over, no matter what the signs may tell us! Or, last but not least, perhaps PW really knows how to Bangor (Sorry for stealing your clever verbiage from last night, Alsgal!)…
Then again, it could always be that they’re perfectly happy and just really good at keeping the media out of their relationship nowadays….(had to throw that in for Rman
November 11th, 2008 19:59
I would imagine it would be hard to give up the royal lifestyle of a prince. I do think she might have some self esteem issues. She might have a hard time defining who she is as an individual away from PW and vice versa. That happens alot when you get married or stay in a long term relationship from a young age. She has no idenity w/o him and working with her parents is just another crutch. JMO.
November 11th, 2008 20:31
Pippa at Claridges party. http://www.rexfeatures.com
November 11th, 2008 20:45
Gracie, I have seen that so often it’s hard to imagine how Kate would function with only herself at the center of her own universe. I would hope that if she doesn’t get what she wants by marrying William, that she will eventually figure out what SHE wants out of life and perhaps not what others want for her. That is a huge difference. What are her special gifts and abilities apart from being William’s loyal GF or being a good daughter to her parents? I think many would like to know what makes Kate unique. Unfortunately for now, we are all in the dark.
To dabble in some ‘babble, at nearly 27, she has either had a very dynamic mother at the center of her life, or a very strong-willed and self-centered Prince (as Princes tend to be) and now, Mum again and her Prince.
Question is, has she ever separated and found her own voice? Her own gifts? Her own talents?
Perhaps she has, but that’s a bit hard to do when one remains dependent on another.
November 11th, 2008 20:50
How depressing it is today.
It’s funny because I have a friend who was in a relationship with her boyfriend for 6 years and they recently split up. It did send a shiver down my spine and they are both having a really tough time letting go.
I know a lot of people think negatively about Kate because she “maybe” having trouble letting go but it takes all sorts to make the world go around. I think that if things really are as the press portrays them to be i.e. Prince William doesn’t have the balls to tell her it’s over and she is hanging on for dear life that it is really sad on both sides. It’s tough to let go after all that time and obviously William plays a part in this too. If he was decisive and ready to break the tie things could be easier for them in the long run.
He doesn’t appear to me to be someone who is ready for marriage & I think there is a big possibility that they will eventually split and he will eventually marry some aristo when his training is done. Maybe she will be the love of his life & maybe the aristo will just serve a purpose.
Kate will be fine regardless. She has a solid family behind her and although if they do split it maybe tough she is going to do just fine. I will still look for Kate in the papers for years to come & I still like her regardless of her so called “clingy behavior” and “inability to move on” She is human and she has done her best IMO & many could have behaved a lot worse.
William has a path set out for him. He has his brother his friends and his father (cammy if you must) & a country to eventually rule over. But he too will be fine & that’s it really. They will figure it out or not one way or another.
November 11th, 2008 20:52
Alsgal, great points. Experiences give you wisdom. Sounds like a fortune cookie! What’s up w/Pippa being the hot chick on the block? Latest photos look like she is w/her Scotsman. Forget his name. Something it up, Alsgal. Why are there no photos of Kate going out? She should be allowed to do so. Do you remember when I wondered if Kate look fuller in some pictures? I wonder if that is what could be going on now and why no sight of her?
November 11th, 2008 21:18
Sorry folks the whole Pippa is the next best thing to sliced bread is beyond me. I don’t get it,I really don’t. Not only don’t I get it but I find her presence annoying me for some reason.:(
November 11th, 2008 21:29
Gracie
I think Pippa is just living her life & taking advantage of the opportunities which are coming her way. Because she is Kate’s sister she is invited to a lot of events and probably a lot more of the high profile sort. She is in the Events Management industry and is no doubt encouraged by her employer to network at events & make more contacts and drum up business.
Kate is in Buckleberry working… She is either under orders to lay low or just getting on with and moving on with her life sans William.
November 11th, 2008 21:41
Alsgal
Didn’t kate take time out to go to Florence or somewhere in Italy??
November 11th, 2008 21:44
“Kate is in Buckleberry working” Hmmmm…I don’t know jj…Working is one thing,falling off the map is another. Kate needs to make a public appearance soon. I must admit I am still wondering if Kate’s absence will end with a grand entrance for the record books.
November 11th, 2008 22:15
Lisa
What else could she be doing? Thank God Thursday is approaching. Which day is the BP bash and which date is the Highgrove event??
November 12th, 2008 01:39
I seriously do not understand your points. William can just as well marry Kate while with the RAF as he could have as full time working royal. As unmarried working royal he wouldn’t have had more time for Kate either being all over the UK and common wealth for public engagements. Did you really think they would be engaged by now?
I still think Zara will be the next grandchild of HM to marry. All of her grandchildren have had relationships of over 4 years longitude by now. I think weddings go by age – not by succession. First it was Peter, then Zara and after that William and then Harry if he’s still with Chelsy after then 7 years of her waiting and waiting and waiting…
One wedding per year after the other (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)
Where could Kate and Will currently move in to together? He hardly spends time in CH and is mostly at various military bases due to the different stints this year. So what’s the point for Kate to live in CH when William isn’t there?
Neither of us knows how often they see each other or are in contact. I doubt it is merely the odd vacations just because that’s pretty much the only time we see them. Otherwise one would have to conclude Kate dropped off the face of the earth one month ago because she was not pictured ever since. I also doubt the SAR training will be oh-so-hard and time consuming. It is military service not slavery and military service personell unless in emergency mission or deployed abroad works a regular 8-hour-day. I don’t think William will be on emergency call during the first 18 months of training. When with the Blues and Royals and the RAF earlier this year he also had every weekend off. I don’t think that’ll be any different next year.
I also noticed that Chelsy Davy has not been seen since the Africa farewell party a months ago. There were also no stories about her. Maybe someone at CH finally stepped in to get “the girls” away from the paps though that doesn’t stop the papers from writing stories as we all know.
gracie, Charles watched Camilla being shred to pieces for 10 years by the press before he heroically “protected” her (and himself). Kate has only had some bad press for about a year now. She’d better get used to it because royal or not the likes of the DM will b**** and whine about everything she does regardless.
November 12th, 2008 01:42
jj, BP is tomorrow and Highgrove on Saturday. Please let us get pics of Kate or we\’ll all go nuts here…
November 12th, 2008 01:56
Trixie, I hear you. I can’t stress it enough that will figure this all out. If they have then great. I don’t know why others is always thinking that kate is holding on to dear life on William. Look, the couple is in love and when you are in love with each other, you do things to make the relationship stay alive. I know that Kate’s disappearance just hads to the speculation and now that the pregger rumor is out, you get even more speculation. Have you guys read the Royal Truth site? They seem to think Kate would do that to land William. I mean I just hate these rumors. All I can say for right now that I hope we see Kate soon. I like her sister and all but that’s not who I want to see right now. Although it’s good to see somebody with the last name Middleton.
November 12th, 2008 07:40
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084918/The-House-Twinsor-How-Charles-Camilla-turning-other.html
update!
November 12th, 2008 07:44
Write up from Pippa at Claridges – The Hello title
“‘HELLO!’ covergirl Pippa and the Stewart clan party at Claridge’s”
The title & the associated article made me feel quite queezy!! It was as if the Claridges bar party was all about Pippa. How do you think BP / CH will like Kate’s sister being billed as a “HELLO covergirl”?
It was interesting that the Daily Mail covered the event, but didn’t even mention that Pippa & her boyfriend had attended. This is very unusual for them.
More pictures
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-GB&family=editorial&p=Pippa%20middleton&assetType=image&src=quick#
November 12th, 2008 10:10
Looks like Pippa and her little Drummer boy will soon be engaged.
November 12th, 2008 10:12
I must not have paid attention enough in the last months. Who is this guy? Is this Georg Percy?
November 12th, 2008 10:31
they have not been dating seven years dec 2003 makes 5 years
November 12th, 2008 11:21
Yes who is the guy that Pippa is dating?? Does anyone have anymore information??
November 12th, 2008 11:31
William More Nisbett born in 1979, one of three children of Alan and Patrea More Nisbett, who have a stately in Edinburgh called the Drum House designed by Adam along with a riding school. House rich and cash poor, I’d guess.
Would say he’s a step down from Ted and especially George if Pippa is going for money and status over anything else.
November 12th, 2008 12:03
Very old Scotish and considered very blue blooded, Patrea was lady in waiting for Princess Anne.
November 12th, 2008 12:32
Well
He doesn’t look too comfortable in front of the camera. Depending on how things work out with Kate & William he had better get use to it & with a smile. He looks like someone peed in his cornflakes in most pictures
November 12th, 2008 13:13
JJ, I agree. He looked very nervous to me and certainly doesn’t have the ease of manner Harry was born with. Actually, I feel almost uncomfortable for PW whenever I see him speak.
I think William lacks confidence and probably has a fragile ego. He must be very sensitive and aware of his shortcomings or he wouldn’t try so hard to joke about them. He constantly puts himself down so often, which is a charming British trait, but in PW’s case it is almost overdone. For instance, Charles is also that way, but I think he has much more self-confidence than his earlier days.
It’s actually quite sad to see PW like that.
He should have more faith in himself. I would hope a naturally confident partner could help him relax a little and see his own great possibilities, and I’m not so sure Kate has been able to do that, “Big Willy” flattery aside.
He needs a genuine friend to cheer him on, IMO, one who is completely without personal motives.
November 12th, 2008 13:18
I agree that other than Sir Rod, the party was mainly rock royalty. So I thought that it was a step-down for PM to be there too. BN does not look comfortable in front of cameras and alot of aristo frown upon celebrity. What’s pathetic KM association w/PW helps PM options for men. As far as I know BN does not run in royal circles? Correct me if I am wrong. PM seemed very smitten with Percy in photos, I wonder what happend? Kate needs to be seen!
November 12th, 2008 13:21
Alsgal, who could that be? Maybe someone older than himself, just by a couple of years. But that would not be good for reproductive issues unless they get married and have kids pronto.
November 12th, 2008 13:30
Alsgal, I actually think jj meant Billy Nisbett not Wills. However I agree he looks uncomfortable and insecure most of the time.
Yet, I don’t think confidence comes from outside influences like a partner. No woman could “make” him confident. It has to come from the inside and usually develops with achievement. And to be honest William hasn’t really achieved much at 26 yet. He has an average university degree and basic military education but that’s pretty much it. He has no significant charity of his own only patronages he took on from his late mother – whose footsteps he will never succeed to fulfill because he lacks her charisma. He also doesn’t seem to have a major interest (pretty much like Kate). That’s why I see the pilot training as something positive. It looks like an idea that was genuinely his own and maybe his pilot training and job will give him a sense of achievement.After all he’ll be saving other peoples’ lives that should be a rather fulfilling task.
November 12th, 2008 13:32
Alsgal, I’m sure Kate can put William at ease and help him out more but the problem is she has never been given the chance to. It’s nice to have someone there to make you feel good and to cheer you on but Kate is never with him at these events, which I think he need her there. It’s been said that Charles is more at ease since Camilla is by his side now. There are times When I’m at important events I feel nervous, but once the girl of my dreams was at the event with me, I couldn’t stop smilling. I was just filled with so much confidence. Sometimes you just need that little extra push. Harry is more of a natural, William just need a little hepl that’s all.
November 12th, 2008 13:37
I do mean help in that last part. William just have to carve out a role for himself. Charles had to do that. There’s not much for a Prince of Wales to do so Charles put himself to work by traveling and finding things that really interest him. William has yet to really do that.
November 12th, 2008 13:38
Gracie, the kind of confidence I’m thinking of is the kind his partner would have probably been born with, and that also perhaps was honed over time, through achieving goals and overcoming obstacles independently which is how true self-esteem is forged.
I’m thinking Kate is a sweet girl, and undoubtedly pleasant and fun, but that false bravado style of, “He’s lucky to be going out with me” and when she sometimes posed for the paps it makes me think it’s to overcompensate for a lack of the “real stuff.”
Surely Kate’s mother has it, because she built something from scratch through hard work, which was successful long before PW entered the mix. I’m thinking Kate is a Mummy’s girl and some of that confidence rubbed off on Kate. Problem is, it was inherited, not earned like Carole’s was. In reality, it’s probably more of a veneer than anything else, because other than her degree, she hasn’t accomplished much on her own imo.
I know that’s harsh, and I’m not saying Kate’s a bad person, but I’m just saying she and William are sort of the same in that sense, so they might need the same thing from each other, which usually doesn’t work so well. Maybe that’s the “something” that has been holding PW back?
November 12th, 2008 13:39
Hi Alsgal
I was actually talking about William Nisbett not looking comfortable in front of the camera & if things do end up turning out positively between Kate and William & himself and Pippa get serious he is going to be in the spot light a lot more. But definitely the same applies to William. I don’t know I would say that William looked fairly relaxed at the Garter ceremony. Although Kate was walking at a rather rapid pace to keep up with William he looked a lot more relaxed than say his arrival to the bond ceremony where he looked very uncomfortable.
An older partner might work but as Gracie says he would need to get to work on that pronto. If things don’t work out with Kate he will be about 30 when he gets out right? His options will start to be substantially narrowed. I know that SRJ and Prince Edward didn’t get married until their mid 30s .
It does make me wonder though that the reason that William did pick this SAR thing was because he really didn’t want to start ribbon cutting. It might not have necessarily had anything to do with not wanting to marry Kate. It was only when you brought that up Alsgal that I thought this kid (william) really doesn’t like the lime light. What if he doesn’t want to rule at all? Could Harry take his place (not that he would want to either)?
November 12th, 2008 13:45
Trixie, great points.
Rman, I agree having Kate to cheer him on helps, but what he really needs is to unleash his inner William and I don’t think Kate, perhaps with her own lack of confidence that would have come from accomplishment, has been able to help PW unlock that.
SAR is a great step, and let’s hope Kate also finds her own SAR, or her huge transformational passion. I just don’t think wanting to marry a particular person qualifies in that regard.
November 12th, 2008 13:46
The Telegraph has a new angle to William’s SAR decision (how many are there now 3, 4?
) that fits in the whole public duties debate:
http://tinyurl.com/5afs8h
“The Prince of Wales was naturally involved in the unexpected decision of Prince William to remain in the RAF for five more years. Prince Charles, after half a century in the public spotlight, understands his son and heir’s wish to extend for as long as possible his privacy. The decision, which also took Buckingham Palace by surprise, will have an unspoken benefit for the Prince. First overshadowed by Diana, he knows, too, that he will be eclipsed by his dashing young son when he becomes a full-time working member of the Royal family. With Prince William in uniform until he is 31, Prince Charles will remain the public focus of the Royal family, alongside the Queen.”
November 12th, 2008 13:48
alsgal, maybe having children would be “it” for Kate (and for William, too). Both seem like “children” people to me – for lack of better word. And since they were already practising pregnancy stories in the press…
November 12th, 2008 13:49
I don’t know Alsgal
With the stories of the poor girl having to go and give restaurants the once over to make sure the seating was ok (so that William could have his back to everyone) & having to get the boys inline when they are horsing around on motorbikes fixing to have a motor cycle accident. It’s shows if anything she isn’t a mouse or a complete walk over.
Rman is right in that sense. She hasn’t been given a true chance to shine as yet. Yes she has put her life on hold for William but really did she have much other choice? I think in the beginning if she had worked for her parents she would have definitely have been accused of using her royal connections to further the family business. I just think she is made of sterner stuff than people give her credit for. After all how many of us would have coped over the last 6 years. Definitely not I!
November 12th, 2008 13:51
JJ, clueless me!
It’s a shame Harry wasn’t born first as he seems to have the temperament but I can only speculate as to whether PW hates the limelight but wants the spoils enough, or has a enough of a sense of duty to gut up and be King one day. Question is, does he want to be King or is he pursuing a dangerous career in the hopes it might never be a choice? In other words, does he have a bit of death wish?
I can’t see KM staying with PW if he opted out and let Harry rule.
November 12th, 2008 14:01
I don’t think William will abdicate now. Isn’t it a little late for that? I think 18 or 21 would have been the right age for that. I don’t think he’s enough of a rebel to do that especially not since I think “abdication” is a forbidden word in the Windsor household. He sure doesn’t like the limelight but I don’t think it’s his royal duties as such that he minds – just the press attention regarding his private life. I am also not sure whether Harry has the right temperament to be King. He is great as a Prince and humanitarian, he certainly has the star power – but he doesn’t have the regal grace a head of state needs, IMO. He isn’t able to put on a poker face and that’s one of the major ability any head of state needs. William is not yet able to do that either but I think he has more of a capability to hide his true feeling than Harry does who always wears his heart on his sleeve. Whenever I see William in a solemn or serious situation he usually looks regal and graceful, Harry doesn’t. He shines whenever he’s in “happy” occasions, meeting people etc. but that won’t be his major tasks as head of state.
Harry is perfectly suited for the role he was born into. A working royal supporting the King and Queen.
Now it’s exactly that openness that makes Harry so appealing (and always makes me want to pinch his cheek) but openness is not a good character trait to have when you need to be able to swim with the politial sharks in this world.
November 12th, 2008 14:04
I agree, I don’t think she’s a pushover at all. But just because she’s bossy doesn’t mean she has self-esteem. It doesn’t mean that, if Life Kate out of her comfy home life and away from being Perfect princess material that she’d be able to function without her crutches. We just don’t know.
Let’s also say that she has not been under the microscope for all five years — there was the St. A’s blackout, so it was really only from summer 2005- march 2007 when her lawyer filed the PCC complaint that she had to withstand the spotlight. Even then, there were only a few occasions, like her 25th birthday, where it was Diana-like.
She certainly didn’t seem hounded by the press during the clubbing phase in 2007 and many times after that, or those smiles deserve an Academy award.
So, I think it’s debatable whetherthe glare of publicity has been all so horrible for her.
November 12th, 2008 14:06
Aslgal
So you don’t think that Kate truly loves William then? That she really just wants to be with him for his…throne??
That’s a good article Trixie & I guess does touch on the subject of William not wanting to overshadow his dad. I do wonder why he is being allowed to go down that path Alsgal. It is a very dangerous one & especially since William will be rescuing people probably mostly in bad weather conditions which is where I would suspect some of the accidents happen? The fact that both of them are going to be flying sends shivers down my spine and not in a good way. I don’t like it at all….I would much prefer ribbon cutting and feet firmly on the ground where I can see them thank you very much.
November 12th, 2008 14:07
sorry, typo — if life took kate
Trixie, you are probably right about Harry but having a sullen King who hates the press and doesn’t want anyone butting into his private life is not very desirable either –
November 12th, 2008 14:10
I get what you are saying Alsgal but William does need the help although he lights up a room, he’s doing it alone and don’t always look comfortable doing it. I think Kate has alot of confidence and lots of drive but a light is never shined on it. She tried with the roller disco but the media made too much out of her fall and paid very little attention to what the event was for. That is why I have been saying for a longtime now is that they need to let her come out and let her be open to other organizations and for her to get involved in other charities so she can get herself out there. I do think she needs the experience too. If she is given the chance, that girl can really shine. Camilla was given the opportunities and look where she is now. But there’s nothing like a supportive partner by your side. But we have no idea what they have planned for the future and next year.
November 12th, 2008 14:14
right, alsgal… but isn’t that what HM is? She’s hardly known to be very smiley though I personally find her very warm and caring but she’s still sort of distant. I doubt she’d want anyone sticking their nose in her private business. She doesn’t look like she likes the press much either, she has never given an interview from what I know – but she does her job regardless. I think her and William have a lot in common in that respect. They are both very private persons who do not seek the limelight but were born in a position that forces it on them. But it remains to be seen whether William also has her stearn sense of duty. .
November 12th, 2008 14:16
jj, we can never know for sure but I am sure the material goodies are at least one reason she puts up with his lack of commitment and has allowed her life to revolve around his.
Would she do that for Joe the Mechanic? Did she do that for Rupert the Solicitor?
If that kind of life was so totally horrible as PC and other super rich and famous people claim, why don’t we see more of them walking away from it all and becoming anonymous refrigerator repairmen in Wisconsin? Seriously, the positives must far outweigh the detriments, otherwise they’d choose the alternative.
November 12th, 2008 14:25
Kate likes to smile at the camera but I think that is from her warmth. She seem to be a warm person but in many ways she is silenced so that great personality that has captured William heart is very much unknown to us. So we truly don’t know when she is very nervous and what she really think of all the attention she gets. She is just seen making the best of it. She seem to be calm when she is with William and the royal family. I remember when they first made their big public appearence together after the short breakup. They went to a club and when they was getting into the car, William looked fed up that they was surrounded by the paps but she just smiled at him and seem to try to calm him down. She she seem to be a more calming spirit for him. We all know Camilla is like that for Charles, who hates the media. But again Kate is never really given that chance in the public. She is pretty much kept in the background.
November 12th, 2008 14:28
That is an excellent point Trixie about the Queen, and I suppose we have to remember that when she was a young woman, there was not the celebrity fuelled 24/7 news media that there is today. People also left home and married earlier, so maybe 25 then was older than 25 is considered now, with 40 being the new 30 and all that?
Is William dutiful? Yes, I think so, and is becoming more so as he gets older. I agree the thought of dangerous jobs for both Princes is terrifying to me. I cannot believe someone didn’t override this, especially as we hear they take precautions such as almost never having PC and PW on the same plane, etc. But this is OK? What’s next? Base jumping?
Rman, with all due respect, I think the verdict is still out on Camilla. Many are asking, is it enough for the consort to merely be someone who who makes the King or Royal spouse happy, but is otherwise not much up for the role? I think only 17% currently approve of her, so that’s not much in my estimation. It’s certainly not for a lack of effort on Charles’ part.
November 12th, 2008 14:36
Very true Trixie. I think it’s harder for the young generation of the royal family to have that great sense of duty like the Queen. I often amazed how she and Philip, Anne, Andrew, Edward and of course Charles is so dedicated to serving the country and how much work they do. They have done this stuff since they was young and don’t seem to be slowing down. I guess the changing of the times has made things different.
November 12th, 2008 14:40
Oh I’m sure the material goodies are no hardship Alsgal, but even that wouldn’t be enough to keep me around. I don’t cope too well with high pressure/visibility situations & kates “position” has that written all over it.
Joe the mechanic and Rupert the solicitor she wouldn’t need to do any of that hoopla for. It’s only because of his position that she has to do things like that.
Well you are right on that front Alsgal PC seemed to have these crazy housewives fighting over who was next to be his mistress. Although he maybe a loving and caring man he isn’t really much to look at now is he. & there is less of a possibility that these women would be lining up if he wasn’t air to the throne apparent. But like my mother says about a lot of rich men & their trophy wives it’s an exchange of services. Most rich men with beautiful trophy wives aren’t much to look at (huge generalization here) But they attract these women because they are rich. The women get the pampered lifestyle the men get gorgeous arm candy which they can show off (Hugh Heffner. (Rman please as a man don’t take offense) & everyone is happy until the younger model comes along. So in that sense I have no sympathy for either party.
November 12th, 2008 14:42
Now that is true Alsgal. Not alot of people approve of Camilla manily because of what happened in the past and Camilla does seem to be lazy. I think Camilla had one goal in mind and that was to continue to be by Charles’s side but that too much of the responsibility of the job.
November 12th, 2008 14:46
I agree JJ.
November 12th, 2008 14:58
JJ, I agree that does seem to be a bit almost like glorified prostitution, just a fancy way of trading money-for-sex. The man (usually) trades his wealth and power for something pretty to look at/play hide the weiner with. You even see that with rich old ladies and their boy toys, so it does seem to involve money in exchange for looks/sex.
The relationship usually only lasts as long as both parties can maintain their part of the deal, so I agree those relationships are not the purest examples of love, as something as wonderful as love and trust is basically turned into an excahnge of services.
Fine if both parties are happy with that. But I’d call that a transaction, not true love.
That’s also why imo it’s great when equals marry or become partners.
I guess it’s only fair to ask if William would be dating Kate if she dressed and acted like a nun, as long as were talking about exchange of services.
So maybe they are happy with the arrangement thus far, or maybe PW has decided he wants a newer model? Even if Kate marries him, she’s going to have to live with that possiblity for the rest of her married life.
November 12th, 2008 15:00
Alsgal, you make a great point. Maybe PW and KM are to much alike that they hamper each others growth. I think both KM and PW have alot of growing up to do, but I don’t think it will happen if they stay together.
November 12th, 2008 15:07
My example of when a royal marries an equal-
http://www.rexfeatures.com/live/2008/11/11/crown_princess_mary_recieves_the_woman_of_the_year_award
November 12th, 2008 15:14
Guys the two can grow together, they don’t have to be apart to do that. They just have to take it to another step. I think this year they got serious and have taken things to another level. I don’t think for one minute William would trade Kate for something else.
November 12th, 2008 15:18
Pictures of PH at PC “we are not amused” on getty.
November 12th, 2008 15:22
Love those pictures Gracie. Why do I see William & Kate when I look at that royal couple? Mary has done some great things while being married to The Crown Prince. She’s had so much great opportunities in that royal world. This is why I have been saying that Kate really need to get out there and bring more support to the charity world. She will also need William’s support. I just loved that he was there for her at the charity event last year.
November 12th, 2008 15:24
Thanks for the hint, gracie. There’s some more pics at rexfeatures
http://tinyurl.com/68g3c6
Charles, Camilla and Harry attended the gala. Where is William?
November 12th, 2008 15:26
Wonder why PW was not at “…Amused?” I thought he was free until January?
November 12th, 2008 15:29
I’m surprised to not see him there.
November 12th, 2008 15:29
Trixie, did you notice the Queen Victoria thong? I think that’s in bad taste and I bet the Queen would not like that. How can the RF complain about KM, when they attend a party w/QV thongs as a give-away? I see we think alike, were is PW?
November 12th, 2008 15:35
PH is such a cutie! He gets better as he gets older. Is it me or does Camilla looks tired in photos, maybe all the traveling as of late.
Alsgal, are you gonna get a pair of the QV thongs?
November 12th, 2008 15:40
Wow, usually it’s Harry who is gone and William who is stuck with Camilla.
Rman, Gracie, Crown Princess Mary is a beautiful, intelligent woman who had a life of her own before she even met her Prince. That seems to be a good thing, especially these days with royals marrying commoners, even though a better term would be probably be “exceptionals” as Mary, Mette, Letizia, Maxima, etc. could hardly be considered common.;)
November 12th, 2008 15:42
Gracie, I’m not sure they’d give me the coverage my sofa-shaped arse needs.
November 12th, 2008 15:47
So Thursday is the Buck party and Saturday is Highgrove. Is PW on duty?
Alsgal, I don’t think PW will get to choose who he marries. It might be arranged to look that way for the benefit of PW, but behind the scenes the arrangement would be planned. JMO.
November 12th, 2008 15:55
I agree with alittle Gracie that is planned but William has let them know that Kate is his woman. That’s why they have taken to her so well. They really do like her and I don’t believe that the royals was all that upset over the roller disco event.
November 12th, 2008 15:58
It’s curious that William aparently had other responsibilities whereas Harry was free to go. I had thought Harry was the one still having military duties while William is “off” till January. Doesn’t look that way. I guess we’ll be told soon where Wills was.
I seriously hope noone arranges any marriage for William. I hope the house of Windsor has learned that lesson.
November 12th, 2008 16:03
Oh no I don’t William would have it. A arranged marriage would be a total mess. People think William is ruled around by the royals but that’s not true. He may take alittle orders but they won’t go that far.
November 12th, 2008 16:03
Gracie, given that it’s sometimes hard to figure out why sometimes PW is on duty but can still manage to socialize and other times he is on duty and can’t be there — it will be interesting to see if he avoids the Kate speculation by not even being at Highgrove by being on duty.
Since it’s so easy for the tabs to make things up, even if they do claim Kate was there with PW or was there alone (to “represent William”) we will all be in the dark until we see pictures of them together.
Who do you think he’ll end up with? Kate or a Double-Barrell?
November 12th, 2008 16:09
Alsgal, I never thought about that. Maybe he won’t go to any one of them. Maybe he and PC have had a falling out? Maybe he is still w/KM and she can’t go do to an expanding condition? I think we will be disapointed by the parties. I bet my thongs KM won’t be there!
November 12th, 2008 16:13
Guys I truly think Kate and Chelsy will be there but we probably won’t any pictures which will lead many to think they was not there. All we need is a sighting.
November 12th, 2008 16:13
why is there no news report about this gala? The pics have been up for about an hour and no report? Usually the reports are up even before the pics hit the picture sites…
November 12th, 2008 16:13
Just saw your posts — do you think it would be a mess, though? I mean, even a marriage by choice has a 50% chance of failing — maybe just both parties knowing it was an arrangement but they could have a little sumpin’ on the side would make for a better, albeit old school style royal marriage?
November 12th, 2008 16:14
That’s the major problem, they need to stop all of this hiding. It’s being overly done now.
November 12th, 2008 16:22
That is the truth Rman. What’s the point of all this childish game playing, why can’t they act like adults if they’re still together?
It’s not like all of their Special Op Covert Love Crap has kept people from speculating for the past five years.
People are going to do that anyway.
Gracie, I’ll set my W&C plastic lawnchair with the customised beer holders on fire in my driveway if they aren’t together at Highgrove this Saturday night and I mean that.
November 12th, 2008 16:23
November 12th, 2008 16:26
Alsgal, I do think it will be a mess. Marriage is not a game and I think the royal family has learned from the past that royal marriages need to be taken seriously. That’s why we have seen such happiness with The Earl & Countess of Wessex, they married for love. Elizabeth & Philip married for love, Anne & Tim married for love. I don’t anything about the royal world when it comes to marriage. You marry someone because you love them and you want to share your lives together. The biggest royal arraged marriage was in my opinion George V & Queen Mary. They learned to love each other and he once said that never had any interest in any other woman but his own. In today’s modern world that stuff just don’t work all that well. Love is key.
November 12th, 2008 16:28
Yeah this hiding thing is getting tierd now.
November 12th, 2008 16:31
An arranged marriage MAY work if by accident you find the “right” person so if the two people immidiately hit it off. However that is hard to find and would be extrem coincidence. Maybe that was the case with George V & Queen Mary or maybe they just didn’t expect the big fluffy love story everyone wants nowadays.
I think pretty much the couple would have to date for awhile to be sure but then it would not really be an “arranged” relationship any longer but have developped into a “real” one. What certainly does not work is the Charles/Diana option to just have the family chose the next best virginal aristo bride and hook her up with the heir before they even know each other.
November 12th, 2008 16:36
That’s true — particularly as Diana had no idea that she was effectively being used as a Rent-a-Womb.
November 12th, 2008 16:38
Rman, maybe I am negative, but as to all those listed marrying for love is questionable. I think the Queen married PP for love, as to his motives I am not sure. He has had a reputation as a player since they married. PE and Sophie marriage is still questionable to me. I don’t see out pouring of love between them and having children together does not mean that they are happy. It what is expected of royals. I think the closet I have seen to love in the Windsor family is Fergie and PA and I think they had an open relationship and she got caught. I gotta hand it to Princess Anne cause she atleast does not pretend to be something she is not.
November 12th, 2008 16:43
Alsgal
You crack me up but I do take you seriously and I can imagine you lighting the chair up!
Trixie that’s what I worry about that may happen if things fall apart from Kate and he is in the service for 7 years. He gets out the pressure is even stronger & he finally just gives in and lets the courtiers choose because he can’t be bothered with it??
But yes the hiding is getting tiresome & they just need to get on with it. Stories will be written regardless so man up an deal with it. It really does make me worry how William is going to cope with ruling the Kingdom when he can’t deal with the pressures that he is facing right now?? Maybe Charles is the better man for the job after all?
November 12th, 2008 16:44
PW was last night in the Middleton compound at the bonfire. He was kidnapped by MaMidds and drugged on hot cocoa. Wokeup this afternoon with Kate who did not take the pill and that is going to be the next Kate storyline in the tabloids.
November 12th, 2008 17:06
Lol…Me when I first started reading your post I thought that William had actually gone to the bonfire! It wasn’t until the second sentence that I realized that it had not actually happened.
Gosh alsgal what’s happened to your fighting spirit and your eagerness to always defend Kate? Your posts sound like the sort of thing I usually write, please don’t lose your determined spirit with these two, it won’t be same on BRW if I don’t get to debate with you.
I’m teasing alsgal
, I do agree with everything that you have written and in fact I don’t know what else to add apart from see alsgals posts for my view on this. 
November 12th, 2008 17:10
I have a question for you all actually. Who says that he has to marry Kate at all?
I am sure that most of us here know people who have dated for 5 or more years and have then broken up. Why should there be the pressure on them?
William is only 26 as well and he has just got to a point in his life when he has a choice for the first time about what he wants to do. He has decided that he wants to help in the SAR, what’s wrong with that? I don’t think he is ready for marriage at all and perhaps he has said to Kate that this is something that he feels her should do before he marries or continues with royal life. Perhaps he feels that he should take this chance to have a normal job which he will enjoy and have an active role in saving peoples’ lives. He will only get this opportunity once.
November 12th, 2008 17:34
That’s just the thing, I truly believe Kate is supporting William’s dream and she’s not standing in his way like many people thing by his side through it all. She looked so happy at the wings ceremony and so proud of him. That is what people are so confused on. They think his relationship with Kate is holding him down and like he’s in a cage. I think that is very hurtful to Kate to read in the tabs or even on royal blogs that she’s the problem. All we have seen is Kate being there to support him throughtout his training and I believe she other than his family is encouraging him. That is what I like about this relationship is the support that it produces. I just hate when the media make her out to be a problem and think she is waiting on him hand and foot. Kate is a support to him and I think she understands the pressure he is under. So I think the media gets it wrong when they say that he doesn’t want to be tied down with marriage, I think they are focusing on hi training right now. They still can get married or just decide to wait for awhile but somehow I think she knows her day is coming.
November 12th, 2008 17:38
Sorry for the misspellings. I was just typing away.
November 12th, 2008 17:41
Yeah right, he or she do not have to marry out of pressure from the tabloid speculation.
The latest telegraph bit of William furthering his privacy is very telling to me. A privacy which he lived during Saint Andrews and I think is not bad at all, instead of waiting like PC for the crown and looming for a bunch of years as a PoW.
November 12th, 2008 17:42
I hope so Rman I really do hope so.
I think many like me are just impatient to have it happen now. I think it was either Trixie or Maple Leaf that has said that is half of the problem here people expectations an not being in the know.
I don’t believe that Kate holds William back. People say that he is quite a stubborn young man so I’m sure he would cut her loose if he REALLY didn’t want to be with her. It’s just tough waiting and waiting and waiting. But like my father says if we are frustrated waiting can you imagine what it is like for her.
November 12th, 2008 17:46
I’ve been waiting too. Probably will be waiting for the bro’s engagements, marriages, children, PC coronation. I’ve been waiting for Zara and Mike, whom seem to have gone awol.
November 12th, 2008 17:58
That’s true JJ, the waiting is killing. Just when you think the waiting is over, something else pops up. Where is Mike & Zara. You think Zara is still recovering from that fall?
November 12th, 2008 18:40
Yes I guess we haven’t seen much from Mike and zara for a while either. All quiet on the western front with regards to all of the “young” Royal couples. She probably is recovering from that fall it was pretty nasty. Trixie was right we haven’t seen much of Chelsy either. Bring on Friday. I guess that is when we will hear if CD and KM attended tomorrow’s events?
November 12th, 2008 19:39
Team Highgrove has a picture of William and Kate that I have never seen before. I think she is wearing his coat. It’s an older shot but I don’t know how old. Cute though.
November 12th, 2008 20:01
If Zara broke her shoulder as was reported, then she is still recovering. My husbank broke his shoulder last November and it took several months of rehab for him to recover.
November 12th, 2008 20:22
That picture was taken weeks after their split. They was at a bonfire. That’s why we know they made up not too long after the split. The two do look good in the picture and he’s looking at her with so much fondness.
November 12th, 2008 20:50
Thanks for the info. I had never seen that picture. It is a great one. I have a feeling that split was more brief then people realize and they used it to get the media to quiet down about their relationship just like they are probably doing now.
November 12th, 2008 21:29
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November 12th, 2008 21:56
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085234/The-Prince-Angst-Troubled-Charles-turns-60-amid-concerns-Camilla-King.html
Interesting read
November 13th, 2008 01:29
Is there still no article up about the “We are not amused gala”? That’s weird. Is the event not important enough to be reported on?
The bonfire pic is from November 2006. I agree Rman I love the way Will’s looking at Kate while she’s laughing. So cute!
November 13th, 2008 01:35
I take that about the articles back. It’s apparently too early for me to google properly…
Yet I couldn’t find any explanation for William’s absence.
November 13th, 2008 02:08
Hi,
There’s an article by Richard Kay saying that Arabella Musgrave has just broken up with her boyfriend James …something… . They had been dating for the same amount of time as Kate and William have been.
It just shows doesn’t it that dating for 5years does not mean that a) that is the person you will marry and b) that it will not go wrong.
I think that there is too much unecessary pressure on them because dating for 5 years these days before marriage is not a long time any more.
November 13th, 2008 03:50
I thinked clearance house should make an announcement regarding PW newest gossip regarding kate middleton pregnancy.- if and if only it is true. but if not PW and KM will demand a public apology to those who wrote damaging intrigues about them/ the magazine who wrote untrue gossips.
November 13th, 2008 05:36
Arabel was so happy to be booted from Whisky Misk twice this year for innapropriate behaviour, the BF and his family where embarrased by the Tatler comment.
November 13th, 2008 08:12
Seems like Richard Kay is trying to start rumors by mentioning Arabella and PW might seemingly be interested in her split. I think she is pretty, not to sound cruel, but she has unusually large forehead and would do better w/bangs. Honestly, I don’t see that she is any more attractive than KM. I find it odd that in the article written about PC “Amused” none mention why PW was not there. Usually they include this as they know inquiring minds want to know why he was a no show.
November 13th, 2008 09:16
No tabloid or press speculated why William was not there, interesting. Same treatment with Catherine.
November 13th, 2008 09:21
I think Richard Kay was just trying to give the folks at the IF something to talk about. Wasn’t that nice of him?
November 13th, 2008 09:46
Gracie, you are being quite the diplomat. Arabella’s forehead is so large they could show projector slides on it and her chin isn’t that dainty either. A handsome girl is what we would call her back in the day, but a pretty one, I just don’t think so, at least not compared to Jecca who I consider a real beaut.
Maybe Richard Kay’s implying that there is trouble in paradise, although I think if they had split up we would have heard about it.
I do think William loves KM, but that he’s just not going to be ready for marriage for a long, long time.
As long as Kate doesn’t force the issue, they’ll probably waddle on as sex buddies, but if she presses and makes too many demands on his time then he might be hoping she’ll get fed up and walk away, allowing him to remain the good guy.
I think so often of Charles, who is married to his work and who was said to enjoy the bachelor life, and who for the longest time preferred just making pit stops at his chick’s house for a quick tire change rather then actually having the intimacy of a day-to-day life together that was required within marriage.
November 13th, 2008 10:22
I am surprised too at how many articles think PC is not ready to be King, especially w/Camilla. Well tonight is the Buck party, so we shall see what happens!
November 13th, 2008 10:35
From all I am reading,Charles is quite ready to be king and will make an excellent one. The Camilla issue” is what it is”. If Charles waits another say 15 years or so to assume his role then maybe by then Camilla will have the chance to gain some acceptance. The one problem Camilla will face IMO is how her acceptance is altered by William wife. If William’s wife turns out to be wildly popular, Camilla will have a rough road ahead of her because as Charles and Camilla age,I believe more and more people will call for William to become King. This is assuming William finds his footing as a royal and grows up a bit,which one would assume would happen after marriage.
November 13th, 2008 10:54
Camilla IMO could improve her unpopularity by doing two things:
1) Publicly expressing deep and geunine remorse and accepting FULL responsibilty for her role in breakup of the marriage of C&D
(and pigs will fly …)
2)Getting off her royal bum and attending as many engagements as possible. Sorry but the excuse that she is 60+ and not used to working is bullcrap and it’s not going to fly with the British public who have an 82 year-old Monarch and 87 year-old consort who work AMAZINGLY hard. Not to mention it’s especially bad when the economy is down for the public to read about lazy people who’ve married or inherited their wealth. Of course they’re not sympathetic — why should they be?
She needs to do both as only doing one of these is not sufficient.
The other option is for Camilla to die soon. That would greatly improve things for Charles.
November 13th, 2008 10:57
I think there is too much history between PC and Camilla that leaves a bad tastes in peoples mouths. We know way to much about his personal life and Camilla’s. Camilla might be a wonderful person, but PC will have a hard time getting people to forget that she was his mistress. I would have more respect for him if he has stood up for want he wanted instead of marrying Diana. I also think it is ashame, if true, that he would not want PW wife to upstaged him or Camilla. That is not the thinking of a mature, caring man.
November 13th, 2008 11:09
The part about Camilla dying is harsh but I agree alsgal that she would probably never become a deeply loved Queen not even if she does what you suggest. How many people would take an “apology” from Camilla seriously? Not too many I assume. At best she could hope to be respected for being hard working (like Anne is) but I very much doubt that she would ever get to Anne’s level of comittment to royal duties. Certainly so far she hasn’t shown anything that indicates as much. It is sometimes almost comical how the PR advisers do not come up with the simplest solution to public relations problems – like the idea to have Camilla work hard to gain respect. They spin and spin and it doesn’t help…
November 13th, 2008 11:13
Gracie, I agree and I think there is also a feeling amongst the general public of, what, do you take us for complete fools to buy this Thirty Year Great Love Affair nonsense? People are not that stupid or easily led, and have not forgotten Kanga or Janet Jones or any of the other beds Charles visited during this supposed Great Love Affair with Camilla. Certainly they have not forgotten that Diana was an unwitting participant in this threesome.
Yes, of course people make mistakes and must move on, but I think there is a genuine sense that Charles and Camilla have blamed Diana for their immorality, which is not showing good character or even basic decency. We will never, of course, be able to know if she had been able to move on and they should have protected her memory better after her death.
They tore Diana down to build Camilla up, when a simple mea culpa would have served their cause just as well, if not better.
Charles is a good man in many ways, but his greatest shortcoming seems to be his propensity to blame others.
One he takes responsibilty for his own actions and happiness, perhaps people will genuinely adore him, as he has long wished. JMO.
November 13th, 2008 11:17
Trixie, I apologise that it was a harsh thing to say about Camilla but I think many might quietly agree?
The PR advisors probably know what needs to be done but Charles seems to prefer sychophants who agree with his POV, so that is perhaps why what seems like the common sense thing to do is not being done.
November 13th, 2008 11:21
Charles and Camilla marriage was made easier by Diana’s sad death. The ghost of Diana looms large over their union and that can not be easily forgotten.
November 13th, 2008 11:23
What is up w/their marriage not be legal? I have never heard that one before until recently. That would be something!
November 13th, 2008 11:35
gracie, from what I understand there is an old law that states members of the BRF cannot marry in a civil registry. Tony Blair’s government said this law had subsequently been overriden by European Human Rights law so that Charles could marry in a civil ceremony like he did. Apparently not everyone shares this view.
November 13th, 2008 11:36
I am not a Camilla fan by any stretch but I often wonder why,when Diana’s boys have seemed to embraced Camilla,why can’t the public? To me Camilla is just sort of “there”. She is a companion to Charles and he seems to be happy with her so who am I to pass judgment? Many people hold responsibility for the failed marriage of Charles and Diana. Camilla is only a small part of that. If Charles wanted to make his marriage work,he would have cut her off as soon as he married Diana but he didn’t.
I do think that sometime leaving the past in the past and embracing the present so to make the future richer is a batter way to go.
November 13th, 2008 11:56
I think PC is so much better than his reputation.
He is not mainstream thinking, but since then is that a bad thing? He is compassionate. He did a good job as a single father. He will be a good, decent king one day. Lets face it, the Queen is a tough act to follow! PC will certainly do a better job than this shallow, superficial Prince Albert of Monaco, who is not achieving anything and even is not able to commit to any women (he is over 50 by now). And I am always surprised to read that people want William to become King right after QE II. PW seems to be a nice guy, but he is far too immature and does not seem to have any visions/ideas yet. He is too busy with his career and love life.
November 13th, 2008 12:09
I’m not a cammy fan either Lisa. Unfortunately I have trouble warming to the woman. I just can’t seem to do it no matter how much I try. You make a good point about William and Harry embracing her. But still I struggle. PC marriage with Diana was a disaster from the get go & I blame that on his inability to commit & just really being afraid that something better was around the corner.
We are all hoping that history won’t repeat its self here. Anyway is there any news on the Buckingham Palace dinner as yet? What time is it over there anyway??
November 13th, 2008 12:12
And to assume that PC does not want PW to marry because he is afraid that the couple will be more popular than him and Camilla – this seems outrageous. Everybody says he dearly loves his sons and is very proud of them and wants them to be happy – you can really see it in the pics. Lets not forget he was not allowed to marry the person he wanted originally to marry (yes, those were the Seventies) – and I am sure he wants his sons to be happy in their marriage. He would never forbid his sons to marry the woman they love.
Btw – I am not a PC fan. I just think he is better than his reputation.
November 13th, 2008 12:25
Lisa, I think your are right.
And jj, actually, I was under the impression that PC and Diana were quite happy the first years, at least the pics from then show how lovingly he looked at her. I think Diana was way too young to marry. And perhaps a bit too fragile for this position.
What I am trying to say is that I do not think that only PC was to blame for the failure of his first marriage. It takes two to tango.
November 13th, 2008 12:46
Indeed Chris234
It does take two to tango. Diana was very young and fragile. But unless a woman is open to having an open marriage and is aware of what was going on and in complicance with it from the get go it’s not going to work. If Charles hadn’t dithered in the first place & had picked Camilla before she got tired of waiting for him then we wouldn’t have had any of this fiasco.
We also wouldn’t have William and Harry & I like them too much to wish Charles had gone down a different path. Who knows what their kids would have looked like. Ugh (sorry can’t help it)
November 13th, 2008 12:57
Chris,I see things a bit differently. Charles needed an heir and he was getting older with no prospects of an acceptable bride in sight. I think Diana was being groomed all along for that role behind the scenes. When she became of acceptable age,they set the wheels in motion. I think Charles made an effort to make things work but the gap between them was too wide and he was attached to Camilla. Charles knew how to be charming in public,though,thats for sure. Diana was fragile and did not have the chops to sit by,wait it out and turn a blind eye to Charles and his mistress as many princesses and queens before her did. It is such a shame because she could have done so much..
November 13th, 2008 13:00
Speaking of PC & Diana and all that mess – one, PC shouldn’t have been so selfish when he was younger & should have married Camilla then. But he waited to long, she was already married and then the Palace wanted him to marry a virgin… remember that??? And how many of those were around then? So basically Diana was used from the start – she did her best to stay in the marriage, but PC was selfish and wouldn’t let go of C.
November 13th, 2008 13:06
Yup, the guys are good looking.
Anyway, I always understood that it was both ways: Charles was not allowed to marry Camilla, as she was a commoner and not a virgin anymore (phew, those Seventies) and somehow the whole RF, in particular his Grandma and HM expected him to marry a virgin aristocat. And yes, Camilla did not want to wait any longer for a proposal. As almost always, it is never one-sided.
Well, that is all in the past – Diana is dead, nothing will bring her back, her death was tragic enough. And if PW and PH seem to be able to accept her (which is the most important) – who am I to judge her?
November 13th, 2008 13:17
Somehow it’s very hard for people to understand that Charles & Diana was in love during their marriage. Althought they made a great team as Prince & Princess of Wales, the marriage just didn’t work. They had lots of pressure on them and they both wondered off to other people. It became nasty at certain points in the media but it was a difficult thing for them. What people seem to block out that Diana & Charles became good friends after their divorce. And he would often pop by Kensington Palace just to visit her. So it wasn’t actually all nasty between them like others like to write about. Diana did accept that Camilla was in his life and she tried to move on. That is why I think people just need to leave Charles & Camilla alone and let them be happy. Now there are reports that Charles & Camilla have their big rows too but that is what Camilla fought all those years for so now she got it.
November 13th, 2008 13:19
BTW I’m not a Camilla fan either but I know we all need some happiness in our lives so that is what Charles got once again.
November 13th, 2008 13:43
Pictures are starting to appear on Getty images
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&p=prince%20charles&src=standard
November 13th, 2008 13:44
Sorry only Cammy and Sophie so far..
November 13th, 2008 13:51
So it’s not true that Camilla bought Charles 60 presents for his birthday. Why would the DM say that?
November 13th, 2008 14:15
Rman, I agree. Look at the old pics, expecially when Will was born. D & C really seemed to be happy. Eventually the pressure was too high. It is really a relief to see that their sons seem to be able to have a loving longterm relationship, after all what they had to experience in their youth and even worse, that rubbish was written in the press about their parents (and still is written).
November 13th, 2008 14:35
Chris234, it’s just true but we won’t read much about the loving relationship they had because they think it won’t sell. What sells about royalty and even celebrities is gossip and juicy gossip at that. It’s sad but the ones that keep that memory alive is William & Harry.