i dont know why this website is being wasted in talking about someone who has no relevance to what it is being talked about. If KM pippa may still be hanging out with rich influential people but i dont think she would getting as much fame as she is getting now.

Trixie, they always go by car.

I wonder whether KM will attend with PW?
Depending on whether she attends or doesnt attend the party with PW, we will get to know more about the status of their relationship.

Although it would be nice if they had dates for the BP’s party. I wouldn’t want to go all alone.

Yes a lot of people including “courtier sources” have said that neither KM or CD will attend the Buckingham Palace do. Saturday is the less formal & probably more fun event out of the two anyway..

Gracie that is funny. I don’t Kate nor Chelsy would have much to worry about.lol.

I know Princess Madeleine is the same age as PW. Princess Victoria is the oldest, so I think she may be 30, but no older than that. The rest are over 35, except Princess Mary who I think is 34. I am sure there will be some young blood there, close friends of PC and their older children. I hope we get full shots, cause I would love to see what the princesses are wearing. All the bling! I noticed in the photos from getty, the European royals do not look like they are wearing there tiaras. Perhaps that is only for state visits?

Princess Madeleine is very pretty, I don’t think I have seen pictures of her arriving as yet. I don’t know Gracie I’m not sure if this is the type of event that you bring your children too. By the looks of who is attending it looks rather formal. But that’s just my opinion.

I am talking about children of PC friends etc. that are in their 20′s, around the age of PH or PW.

thanks gracie. No Kate, no Chelsy as expected.

Princess Victoria is 31. I don’t think Madeleine is there or I guess she would have arrived with her sister, no?

http://www.brunopress.nl/fotoweb/GridNormal.fwx

Look under news section.

Well it seems like they are having a great night.

More photos

http://www.rexfeatures.com/live/2008/11/13/party_hosted_by_the_queen_for_prince_charles_60th_birthday

Yes there are photos of Sophie, Kents. Rexfeatures.

Seems like if your name did not start with the initials HRH,you were not at this party Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

Sorry let me amend my posting to it looks like just royalty and VIP’s attended this event

Rock star Rod Stewart was due to perform at the event, attended by the queen and her husband Prince Philip, Charles and his wife Camilla, and more than 400 European royalty, friends and members of his charitable organisations.

Woops 400 + guests.

gracie,I don’t really understand why people think they have broken up. There are no facts to support it. As for the Buck event, it was an official royal engagement and like any other, girlfriends are not present. Thats protocol. The Highgrove party is more of a private event it seems and I am sure both girls will be there. I honestly think the new PR guy is simply trying to put some privacy back into their personal lives which has become like a soap opera playing out in the press.

alsgal, how do we know Kate was not at Buck? I think it was a scaled down event meant only for the royals and there was limited space but she could have been there and simply not photographed. If she was there and I doubt she was because this event seemed very “state-like ” to me,can you imagine the stir it would have caused if she had been photographed with William? We just don’t have any facts to support a theory one way or another at this point. I am going on what I know as fact and that is that Kate Middleton is Prince William’s longtime girlfriend. Just because they have not been publically photographed recently does not mean their status has changed.

So he was out tuesday night into weds morning. It must have been a private event/home because otherwsie he would surely have been photographed.

Lisa, using that logic I guess Kate very well could have been at the BP party and may even be living with William in a house near where he is training. She might in theory also be training as a SAR pilot right alongside him, because without photographs, and without an official statement one way or another, this is all just speculation isn’t it?

Since neither Kate nor PW have stated for the record lately that they are still dating (and in fact William’s only official recognition of KM was once in Nov. 2005 at a BP reception “things are going well” and once in the Ferne Cotton post-breakup interview that it was between the two of them) we have only assumed they are still dating because we’ve seen pictures of them together and have chosen to believe some tabloid accounts of their romance.

There are other tabloid accounts that claim they had a wobble and things have cooled between them.

If she is his girlfriend, and we accept that premise, they may be doing all sorts of things together that we will never hear about.

If she is no longer his GF, we won’t hear about that either unless someone leaks info.

Gracie, you’re right. It does sound very Tom Cruise-ish. And only a day or so after the Freedom of Information Chinook papers were released.

Duncan Larcombe must be William’s Stuart Higgins.

And who lives in West Drayton or near there?

Also, no mention of Kate again, very strange.

So far every article published about the Highgrove event says both girlfriends will be at Highgrove tomorrow. If there is some sort of news blackout on Kate it is due to one of two thing,IMO. Either Miguel Head brokered some deal to get the press to back off in order to stop the flow of gossip and bad press or the Middletons may have begun legal action in response to the crap they endure recently and therefore the tabs are being on their best behavour. If there was some big breakup between Kate and William, the papers would smell blood in the water and there would be no stopping them,IMO.

The dinner at Buckingham was incredibly high profile with every other European royalty in attendance. It can’t get any more “official”, so I don’t understand why anyone should be worried why neither of the girlfriends was there. Highgrove’s party, on the other hand, sounds more possible, even if it involves an older crowd. Still, it’s private, so we probably won’t see any pictures and thus will never know why Kate has “disappeared from the face of the earth”

As for William’s recent noble act in a West Drayton accident… kudos to him if true! Don’t know what he’d be doing in West Drayton, but here are a few thoughts (very highly speculative, of course)…
(1) He just came from Heathrow Airport, which is around the area
(2) He was driving from Bucklebury to London? Lol. It’s imaginative but possible. I think one would pass by West Drayton when driving throught the M4 Motorway from Berkshire to London.

If William was free to drive around to save other people Tuesday night, why was he not at the “We are amused” gala?

I wish we had a little more on the speech Will and Harry held.

alsgal, Camilla didn’ attend any high profile royal event prior to the wedding. She was only guest at a reception for a charity she was patron of that was attended by Charles and Queen Rania. But she didn’t go as Charles’ date but as patron of the charity. Sophie was at the decommission of the Royal Yacht Brittannia but not at some high profile party with all European Royal Houses present. Had Kate attended todays’ papers would be all about her and William – hardly a nice b-day present for Charles.

The RF has the Sun in their back pockets, especially Duncan. So the story could have been a way to explain why PW was not at the “Amused” because no explaination was given as to why he was not there. Now he could have been doing military duties, but I thought he was free until January.

I think Harry was out Wednesday night after the gala and the accident happened early Wednesday morning. I also think the Mirror would have menttioned William had he been at Whiskey Mist with Harry.

That’s right, H, I don’t think William was on his way to Kate. But why drive all the way from London to Windsor after a night out and not just stay in Clarence House? I thought that’s his “home” now anyways?

Harry had a “guys night out” on Wendesday night.
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Btw. where is Chelsy? Is she still in the UK because she hasn’t been pictured for a months now and the paps used to regularly get pics of her on campus. I think the last time she was photographed in Leeds is actually 1 October.

Yes, Trixie i wondered why he wasn’t staying in clarence house as well. Though I think PH lives / is based in Windsor so maybe they have accomodation together?? Who knows.

The other thing that I thought rather odd was the number of cars (4) & protection officers (10) that PW had & the fact that he was in a Limo. When PH got caught speeding I am sure that there was only one other car with protection officers.

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Chelsy would, she did it at 3:00 a.m to Harry’s house.

Forgot to add that theoretically Kate may have been in the car with William. I doubt anyone saw him there anyways. People may have been told by the security guys later that they worked for William or someone from CH “leaked” the story for some positive PR. After all we are told William didn’t leave the car or that anyone was able to see whether there was someone with him – even less so when the only witnesses were indeed the victims of the accident. And since it was dark, one wouldn’t have been able to see too much from the inside of his limo anyways…

That would be a nice thought if they were together. We are never likely to know though – we are just going to have to wait until Saturday to see whether she turns up to the Highgrove Party.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1085693/All-grown-Chelsy-Davy-arrives-midnight-rendezvous-Harry-sleek-black-gown.html

Woops

I doubt she’d wear such a dress to go to BP. Her boobs are hanging out far too much for a dinner with HM, IMO. But so much for crashing in at your lovers place in the middle of the night

That’s another weekday btw. she spend in London. Does she not study in Leeds anymore?

If the girls did go to the party then it probably was done in a sneaky way.

It’s very interesting how they are so fast to put up a picture of Chelsy but nothing of Kate.

On thinking about it, I really think that Chelsy must have attended the party at Buckingham palace (or at least the drinks part of it). We have never seen Chelsy attend a black tie function other than Boodles & she didn’t wear such a formal outfit then (her own friends don’t really seem the black tie type). It is too much of a coincidence that she happened to have been invited to a different formal black tie dinner in London, which she would choose to go to minus a partner, on the same night as Prince Harry is going to PC’s birthday gala.

Maybe gossip will start to leak out – espec given the large number of people who attended.

The other question then is, if Chelsy went, did Kate go too or not???

Exactly Rman

H is right it is way too much of a coiencidence that she shows up in a floor length gown on the same night of the BP dinner. That’s not really Chelsy’s style now is it?

Something is going on and I’m not sure it’s the something I have been waiting for. They may have really split.

If they did go, they probably went to the Clarence House for drinks there or something. Kate just wasn’t pictured. Or Kate was pictured but the DM has been acting funny with Kate. They probably didn’t put up her picture. Boy I can imagine what they write on royal truth.

Yeah she could have gone back to her flat. But IF they had split, and that is a big IF because I don’t believe that for one second. Why is she hiding? I mean we have not seen her since the roller disco event. So I think thingsare fine with them but we just haven’t seen a picture of her yet. I think we will see her arriving at Highgrove or after the party.

I really hope she didn’t go to BP in that dress. She wouldn’t look right along side the other guests there.

Although Chelsy looked lovely, I do think to much cleavage for a formal dinner at Bucks. Look at what the other woman were wearing. It was like a state dinner, I would have hoped she would have worn her hair up. I am disgusted though. This cat and mouse game that PW or his PR have put together to either hide a breakup or just hide KM is in bad taste. If he has ended it w/KM than just announce it, cause what they are doing now is making PW look like an absolute *** of a man! Who behaves this way, is he 10yrs old? I have no problem if things did not work out w/ them as that is life, but the way in which this is being handled is horrible and KM is not a piece of trash that they can throw away and think the public will not want to know where she has been for all this time. The only thing I can think of for this behavior, is she is pregnant and they don’t want her to be seen. I think Princess Madeleine had similiar rumors about her in the press. Of course I don’t know how they explain how all of a sudden a child appears in a family that did not have one. It would not be the first time a child was born out of wedlock to a prince/princess and kept secret. This is only my OPINION, cause nothing else make any sense!

… if Chelsy was indeed at a party with friends we’ll soon get the pics from facebook. Then we’ll know for sure

gracie, William never announced he had a relationship with Kate in the first place, if you expect him to announce that he doesn’t (anymore), I fear you will be dissapointed. After all Kate herself could ring up any paper and tell them it’s over if for whatever reason she has an interest that the world would know such a thing…

Crown Princess Victoria could not bring her longtime boyfriend. Prince Nicolaus could not bring his longtime girlfriend. It’s just not done. So I really doubt Chelsy would be there.

What would it change if William publicly announced he had dropped Kate (again)? Wouldn’t that make things WORSE for her than they are now? Currently the papers seem to leave her alone, she’s not hunted by paps and can go about her life. The second a break up was announced, they’d all be camping on her door step (again)…
Kate surely knows about the state of her relationship and quite frankly she is the only one who needs to know.

I thought we all agreed the guy was clueless…

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She went for the booty call and someone leaked to the paparazzi that Chelsy was in the front gates of Clarence House. She’s always pictured there, but no other personalities ?

Maybe the longterm boyfriends/girlfriends of the European single Royals did travel and where at the hotel doing other more fun non stiff stuff.

OMG, alsgal. I am scandalised!

Me, where do you have that quote from?

Trixie, I was quoting dagsy.

Alsgal may be hired for Prince Charles 70th

Thanks Me, it’s right Kate was pictured quite a lot in January in London with her family though we didn’t get any picture of her and William between Decemebr and March.

JJ,how is it playing games when Will and Kate do not parade around in front of the paps in London especially when any such outing always causes a string of negative articles in the papers?

Miss her desperately, clingly, totally attached, checking out with more frecuency the royal blogs/sites.

Waity watchers, doormats.

I wonder why Eugenie was not there.

She probably was sick after so much clubbing and then travelling with her daddy.

Ok Trixie you have a point. But you have to admit that it seems that something is up. For Kate not to go out at all? No pictures at all not even going to the grocery store?? I mean there has to be a reason for that. I’m just desperate to see some pictures of her & to know that all is well.

If Chelsy really was at the Buckingham Palace party in that dress I am sure someone firmly drapped that scarf around her to cover her chest…

It is odd, jj but then we never got pics of Kate at home regularly – only when she’s in London which she wasn’t for 2 months. That may be considered odd or unusual for her but given the reaction she got whenever she was seen out and about lately I can very well understand it.

Don’t think any paps will hide again behind the bush in some countryside road to take her picture.

Those pictures (driving in countryside road while talking celphone) are at the moment since a few or more weeks ago forbidden, caput, gone !

Trixie, there’s a photo of Bea arriving with daddy.

Ok fair enough. I guess the game of cluedo (as in someone please clue me in as to what’s going on) continues. We wait for tomorrow night and Sunday morning. I hope there will be photographers stationed at Highgrove.I WANT PICTURES!

http://www.bigpictures.co.uk/lowres2/00000000089/big20081114set235_9264.bro

Guys I think we will hear about Kate tomorrow at Highgrove. That party will be more private with the girlfriends there. Kate & Chelsy did not go to BP’s party. Can’t wait to hear about them tomorrow.

I was looking at the DM about the Chelsy article and it says “reader comments are unavailable.” I have never seen them not allow reader comments even if they don’t post half of the ones anyway. I’m starting to think maybe Chelsy and Harry might be engaged. I definately think Harry will marry befor PW. I have never seen anyone just get dropped off at the front gates at Clarence, other than Chelsy. Her dress had a train, that she was holding up. So that is pretty formal for a cocktail party. I wish she would have worn her hair up, to make it look more formal. If Kate had worn that dress she would have been cruxcified!

Andrew arrived with Beatrice. He and Eugenie have not gone on their tour yet, because that was the official reason for them being absent from the Highgrove party. Maybe she was getting ready for that.

We need photos of Kate!! Wouldn’t it be sad if they sneak her into Highgrove? For all we know she is probably already there! And where is Ked? Don’t you find it strange how he disappears?

The girls will probably go to Highgrove for the weekend. I think that’s how Kate was not seen last year for Camilla’s birthday. But they need to let her be seen a bit so the confusion will die down.

Hello,

I’ve been working in Austria and on way back had a stop over at Frankfurt and picked up a German Magazine , Bunte or Brunte, I think.

The was a article and photographs of PW and KM describing her a PW’s in house ‘geliebte’ without any long term prospect of marriage as she was ‘unerwunscht’ to his forefathers.

‘Geliebte’ is literally translated as ‘lover’ or ‘mistress’ and ‘unerwunscht’ as unwanted but I think the article meant that she was his long term companion but who was seen to be unsuitable as a wife by some royal relatives.

However I do believe that despite opinions from those seniors the last thing PW, BR/CH want is KM around for years as a loose cannon as she probably knows more about PW that any other person alive.

Consider yourselves and the amount you glean about your long term partners over the years and how much of that you really want to be known outside your relationship.

PW has never really acknowledged KM , in words that is, as anything more than a friend and CH have said she and PW are good friends of long standing but that PW has lots of good friends.

He doesn’t therefore have to say anything about a breakup and it’s doubtful that KM or her family will say anything so they will remain friends with no commitment or acknowledgement from PW .

They will be seen at some venues together , possibly with other friends accompanying them, and we will never know the difference. KM will be in the ‘pack’ and we’ll not know if she’s there to shut her up or because she is PW’s special
geliebte.

I have said before that most of us ‘posters’ will be long gone before any special or permanent news come out and I repeat that KM did not know of PW’s S and R plans until told the day before the announcement and who would blame her if she did throw things about.

I just want to know, why do people try to treat thing girl so wrong? Ked that German Magazine sound silly. William is more private so he does not say anything about Kate. Harry hasn’t said much about Chelsy but they get it out there that Kate & Chelsy are their girlfriends by going on expensive vacations with them, letting them accompany them to family events etc. They like the privacy that’s all. I don’t think people give William & Harry much credit because after what their parents went through, these boys has managed to have longterm relationships while at the same time, doing royal duties and living a non normal life.

Ked, nice to hear from you. That’s really sad if Kate would except the terms you describe as it seems anyone w/any woman w/any ounce of self-respect would not go along w/this. Alsgal, brought up a good point while you were gone and I too have wondered if she was his” beard.” That’s the only reason I can see why she would go along w/this charade. I see that IC has been pictured w/Sam at Tods event recently, so who is going to be PW lucky lady now?

But Ked, you have just kind of contradicted yourself if I am reading your 2 posts correctly. In the first you say that their relationship is casual & has never been acknowledged and then in the 2nd post you say that twice they have been very close to announcing an engagement.

I really do not believe that she would have been invited to PW’s Garter ceremony & stood with other members of the Royal Family if she was not acknowledged or accepted. Now it is very possible that PW has got cold feet & “done a runner” but that is a very different thing. In that scenario I really can’t believe that there wouldn’t be some kind of leak – firstly because as can be seen by the Hello spread, Kate still sells newspapers and secondly, if she has been jilted again then one of her friends (or Kate herself) will want to put her view across. This is just human nature.

Anyway, we will just have to be patient and see – firstly at Highgrove on Saturday and then IF Kate really has been ditched again then she will surface, as there would be no reason to stay hidden & she would need to find herself a new man!!

While Bunte is a pretty reliable paper in the same category as Hello they take their royal stories from the British press and many British papers have written about BP courtiers rejecting Kate as William’s bride (mind you the COURTIERS not the Royals let alone William himself).
Why would Kate agree to pose as a “beard” for William and take all the negative stuff that comes with it especially the damage to her reputation?
It doesn’t make a lot of sense, IMO to have one person pose as a “beard” for 5 years. William has enough female friends to confuse the press if he wanted to keep them off the track of his “real” g/f. He could occasionally have shown up with a varying number of women etc. to confuse everyone. Putting one special woman in the limelight wouldn’t be a very clever way to go about it. And which “real” g/f would agree to another woman “posing” as her man’s woman? And if you mean “beard” as cover up for a homosexual relationship the right cover up would have been a wedding with Kate…

Nothing make sense!

Ked and kd?

I’m just not sure why everyone went into secrecy mode all of a sudden after 5 years of damn near wedded bliss between them. A few pics of her spread-eagled whilst raising money for innocent children and she’s persona non-grata? Were the yellow shorts really so bad?

Why has she disappeared though? To avoid bad press? C’mon everybody, do you think being seen at the BP party with all those royals would be bad pr? Wouldn’t that be one one the first things Mr. Head would have suggested to show Kate’s being groomed as PW’s wife — that she’s in the firm? We haven’t even seen her wholesomely shopping for organic produce with her Mum — really, would be bad pr for Kate?

I find it hard to believe the paps haven’t taken a single picture of her. Maybe she’s in Afghanistan.

btw ty jj and me, I would be delighted to perform for Charles’ 70th but unfortunately my musical ability is now limited to “Ode to Joy” (first verse only) on the Spanish accordian as that dreadful fishing accident last May prevents me from playing the flute anymore.

Alsgal, you are too much. The only ones we have seen is her sister and brother. I just hope we get a chance to see her soon.

I agree Rman that the events which she attended this year were very important but it’s all very confusing right now. I don’t think that the shorts were that bad to be honest at all.Chelsy has been pictured in a far worse state. Something just doesn’t feel right here.

I think there will be a big announcement soon and they are just waiting until PC birthday is over. Could you imagine if they would have announced an engagement before PC bday???? No one would have paid any attention to PC at all. And we have no idea if KM was at the BP party now do we?

Chelsy entered Clarence House, not Buckingham Palace and she arrived in the middle of the night alone – undoubtedly to spend the night with Harry. The picture (unfortunately) does not say where she had been – wearing that dress. She was not mentioned anywhere as guest at the BP reception that was just an assumption made because of her outfit.

gracie, I guess if Chelsy had been thrown out of the BP party we’d have heard about it. Similarly we probably would have heard if there had been another event apart from the official reception. Maybe we’ll get more on this soon who knows.

Gracie, I think something will come out after Charles celebrations. They couldn’t do anything because right now the focus is on Charles. If she would have went to BP’s party, the talk would have been about her. So no the girls did not go. Tomorrow is not getting here fast enough, lol. I think after the birthday party something like a announcement will come out.

Aren’t the Royal invites sent out several months in advance?

It could be that Kate received hers and then she and William had their wobble, and that CH hopes she knows not to show up, as I don’t believe they disinvite people as it is an awkward thing to do?

This could also be waaay simpler than anything else: that PW isn’t ready for Royal duties OR marriage and wants to delay all of it for as long as he can, but they are still together.

He could very well be onffing Kate still out of habit and convenience, and just doesn’t know if he wants to marry her one day — he wouldn’t be the first bloke to feel ambivalent.

As for laying low, it could be out of heartbreak as her Sexy Me tactics worked to get him back but have thus far failed to yield a ring, which I think many of us believe is her goal. She may be out of tricks and depressed about it.

I’d buy the laying low bit but seriously, don’t you think PC and PW have enough clout that if PW was nearly engaged, they would invite her to the Palace. Maybe they did, though.

Since Ingrid S. and Hello have said Kate will be at Highgrove, I am thinking she will be there for they may still be friendly and the simple
explanation to all of these bizarre contradictions may be that neither of them know where this is headed.

btw if DL at the Sun is printing a plant that PW helped out the car crash people, why was he able to go to a night out in London but not the comedy event? Where was he?

Is it possible Chelsy wore a bolero style jacket over her dress to BP, and that she might have discarded on the way over to see Harry?

I’m just guessing, as I’d be surprised that she wore something so low cut. (But again, she did look terrific imo.)

It’s just pretty strange to see a normally casual Chelsy dressed up AND in London on this particular night.

Rman,

Out of self imposed excile for one minute.

It is not PW who waves the wand. At this stage and this level he has the same amount of say as PC did when told to find a bride and produce some heirs, then asked Camilla to find the vehicle.

Rman, please understand the RF is not our type of family and at present it’s almost father against son and the prize The Crown. Don’t discount public opinion on ths despite PC’c popularity at the tim of his 60th birthday. The public are fickle.

Remember CPB’s supposed statement that PW and/or PH should not marry until into their 30′s.

Don’t discount anyone or anything. The stakes are high and it just may be the monarchy itself that is at stake so there is no room for error.

PW sowed the seed of doubt over a year ago and ‘they’ will never lt him forget it. He may pay for that immaturity for the rest of his life.

Right Alsgal. Maybe is was with Kate the other day and just decided not to go. I think Kate wants to be happy and I think girl deserves to have a ring on that finger, even if they won’t get married right away. I just don’t believe he will leave her high and dry while he’s away training. He must got something up his sleeve and we just don’t know about it.

Ked, knowing how Charles back in those day, I doubt that he would allow his sons to go through that. The Queen and royal family has learned alot since all of that happened. That’s why Charles’s marriage is working today, not just because Camilla is his longtime love but he knows what he’s doing this time around. At first he didn’t have a clue. He’s happy today because he knows that family matter and you have to take care of your wife. It’s the experience that taught him what he needed to know.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/14/entertainment/main4604083.shtml

So will the Royal girls be there? We’re talking of course about Kate Middleton and Chelsy Davy. Both have been invited and both have presents for the Prince.

William and Kate are as strong as ever after a bit of a wobble (she seemed to upset her man after been pictured at a roller disco in hot pants and top), while Chelsy Davy is the leader in the relationship with flame-haired Harry.

Of Chelsy, a source tells me, “She knows that she wants her own life, too. She is not overtly that impressed or shall we say concerned about all that Royal procedure stuff, and treats Harry so much than just a boyfriend. They are best friends, too … which makes him so happy.”

Of course, all eyes will be on what the girls are wearing, and make no mistake: there is a glint of green in each girl’s eyes as they wait to see who steals all the front tabloid pages and magazine covers. A source added, “It’s like a scene out of ‘Desperate Housewives’ … they know they both have to scrub up well.”

A friend of Chelsy leaking…

Rman some comments are appearing in the Chelsy DM article, posters are missing “gorgeous Kate”.

The weard thing is that there where 19 comments about 4 hours ago, and now 13. When previously 8 of them comments where asking for Kate (in a nice way)

I hope if it is over for William and Kate it is revealed after these parties.
Kate hasn’t been spotted with William for weeks.
Even the hunting stories, no photos and were questionable.

Rman, that makes me sad to think about Diana not being there. It is strange to think about the passage of time and how things do change, for surely when Diana was a young bride she dreamed of growing old with Prince Charles by her side.

‘Twas not to be, though.

We can only hope that William and Kate will one day, either now or sometime before 2037, be able to reach the best decision for their future together (hopefully a mutual one) and if they remain with each other it is for the right reasons for both of them.

It will be hard for William especially to ever know how much his status factors into a girl’s love for him, just as Kate will never be able to know if a man loves her for her or merely for her stunning good looks and enviable figure.

Well, I suppose Kate could snag Arabella’s ex.

Yes we shall see.

I apologize if this has already been posted, but Richard Kay in the DM is reporting that Arabella Musgrave has parted from her long-term boyfriend.

Tatler had reported that as well along with the fact that Arabella was thrown out of Whiskey Mist twice this year.

I do wish they would have full length photos of the gowns and jewels the ladies wore. I noticed Prince Frederick wore a blue suit. I also saw on Rex that Princess Maxima and Prince Wilhem through a hissy fit over photog taking their pictures, but the photogs had no idea who they were. She had on a red dress that looked pretty. They also have photos of the brunch that was given by Anson.

My thoughts…I read the Neil Sean piece and given his poor track record it does not excite me. It seems awfully coincidental that Chelsy was dressed last night in a black evening gown even though the choice was in bad taste for the event,IMO. It is possible that the girls did attend the party but were not photographed, Many of the guests were not photographed. As for Kate’s absence, I am really not sure what is going on. I have a few theories but of course they are just theories. As I have said all along,I am trying to go by the fact and from what I know as fact,Kate and William are a couple and a serious one at that.

Hello,

It seems that everyone’s life almost depends upon KM being at the party tomorrow evening.

I don’t know if she will be there but do feel that until an announcement is made one way or another it would not be in her interest to venture out at this time at such a high powered event.

By fair means or foul KM has managed to stay out of the news apart from the speculative bits about where she spends her time these days.

To appear at PC’s party, with or without PW who , it has been said may not attend ,would renew the speculation of will they , won’t they and the paps will ,yet again be out in force.

I am sure that she knows this and may well make her humble apologies (if she’s received an invitation) and continue to sit it out until PW leaves to start his training at end december early january.

She would then be able to start up her social life gain , speculation would naturally have evaporated a little and she can pick up the pieces and develop her life while waiting the long months until PW makes their life changing decision.

Any appearance at such an event will negate any help the past 9/10 weeks may have done for her privacy and the pressures would start again.

Ked

I hear you but seriously that’s not a relationship if you can’t celeberate the important milestones together and that of your family. They can’t hide for ever. Most individuals have an expectation that she will be there tomorrow if she is not then real speculation will be rife. I think more of a fuss would have been made if she was pictured entering buckingham palace last night or had gone to the Bond premiere. This is a private party and many eyebrows will be raised if she is not there. Especially given Chelsy’s appearance in a floor length if not scanty drew.. i.e. I think she went but don’t know if Kate went too.

That was not a simple yes or not,ked,lol…

Call me crazy but the last time Kate was seen in public was at the wedding in Austria and she had a protection officer with her. Then she falls off the face of the earth. This is following a year in which she attended several high profile events and vacationed with William multiple time seeming very happy. IMO, one of the plausible explanations is that she is behind palace walls being prepared for an announcement that is coming soon. That theory is as likely as any other,IMO. We’ll see. Still maintaining that half full cup here!

Ked, so what are you saying that PW wants to be w/KM, but he is being forced to end it w/her? What the heck does PW have to be unhappy about? Looks like he gets whatever he wants and never pays the consequences for it. He should be smiling from ear to ear!

I think he looks pretty happy but that’s my opinion.

Lisa,
Good thinking, thanks for the Parliment dates.
We shall see what PW very soon!

Great post ML, I guess RA has lost another valuable poster.

so, there’s no kate and chelsy appear? i thought they were invited?

Mapleleaf, that was a great post and i hope you will post here more often. I truly enjoyed it and agree.

Mapleleaf

Even though I’ve been flip flopping on the issue of what is going on I think your post was awesome! Honestly someone said the other days that this website was an elite group of banned posters!! John who knows what his problem is & quite frankly who cares. His loss is our gain!!

I enjoy coming onto this website daily and debating now matter how crazy my thoughts are!!!

Tomorrow draws closer!!!

Scandalous pictures of Harry talking to a blond woman on a night out without his girlfriend… Those playboy Princes, really, talking to women again! *note the sarcasm*

http://tinyurl.com/5bxy7r

Thanks for the link, H. So I guess deliberately posing half naked covered in oil is ok when you are male and dating HM’s granddaughter but God beware you are female, wear hotpants and fall while roller skating – that is an unforgivable faux pas.

There’s a slight difference Trixie. Mike has done this for charity, he has not ended up looking like a fool and the press has not mocked him. He is also only dating Zara Phillips not the heir to the throne.

When Kate fell over she looked very undigified and unregal. There was also a lot of alcohol present (it was a party after all) and seeing as every charity event she does seems to have alcohol present, that also did not help her image.

There is a big difference between the two of them.

H,

That is not what I am saying.

As neither CH nor PW has publically stated that it was a love affair they do not have to acknowledge it as such. Their only comment has been that they are good friends and PW has many good friends.

As for holidays , did he not recently (reportedly) go to Kenya with some very good friends, and earlier did he not go on a cruise with several good friends and didn’t he go on holiday surfing with friends.

What we believe we know is from newspaper reports and our own imaginations nothing more despite observations to the contrary. If they so wished PW/CH could always say any other interpretation of any event was but speculation.

PW or CH does not then have to confirm or otherwise that he is no longer seeing one of his good friends. That is my point.

I know perhaps as well as most how close PW and KM have been to one another but no one can ever say that it was confirmed from any reputable royal source.

Because of that lack of confirmation KM and her family have been criticised, humiliated and had their reputations sullied all because of a lack of acknowledgment from PW and/or CH.

That was my point.

It isn’t what they do that causes them to have negative press but HOW they do it.

Kate:
- alcohol present at disco
- undignified fall
- clothes were hardly demure
- appeared amateurish

Mike:
- professional photo
- He is wearing underwear (surely we cannot be shocked because we seen a man with his chest bare! I see worse when I go swimming sometimes, there is a man who always wears very small speedos- us girls never know where to look! Lol)
- Despite being in only his underwear, Mike looks very dignified and sensible. He is not falling over at a disco.

The problem that people had of Kate falling over like that was not what she wearing but the fact that she had allowed herself to be photographed in a situation where she looked undignified. Yes, she didn’t mean to fall over but that is not excuse. As a royal or royal partner people have to be more aware of their image. Mike was in control of his photo being taken and reveals no more than you or I might see if we went down to the beach

There are no double standards here at all. There is just a difference between falling over on rollar skates (having probably drunk some alcohol) and have a professional photo taken for a calender.

After reading the reworded version of the DM article on Chelsy,I am more convinced then ever that Miguel Head is behind all this and my hat is off to him! Great great job! The process of image building is a slow one but he is making all the right move. Kate’s absence from the scene right now is the right thing to do,IMO. It took her out of the line of fire.

Hello,

I have previously said here (and taken criticism) that CH had a deliberate plan to advance PW’s popularity and to reduce KM’s. A plan hatched in May/June 2007 and now coming to fruition and nowhere so prominent than on BRW.

A year ago KM was paramount and very popular both here and in the country. Compare that position to her relative standing today and the comments now levelled at her even on this blog.

Then think why this has happened and where it was initiated. It isn’t very difficult to work out.

PW is a different character today than he was ten years or so ago an then think of the comments made by Diana’s brother Charlie Spencer at her service. He said then that he would continue Diana’s influence on the Princes and instil them with that sense of honour they would not get from the RF. (Windsors I think he said)

Unfortunately Charlie let himself down and was unable to maintain Diana type influence on PW and PH.

So in the country and here PW is once more the golden boy despite his immature, even selfish attitude to life. KM’s reputation and popularity has, strangely, travelled in the opposite direction and people do not even ask or consider why.

So think on these things and never underestimate the power and influence that can be brought to bear by the RF or more precisely by their retainers. It’s happened before our eyes.

Ked, it’s not the royal family that brought Kate down. It’s bitter remarks from the “nattering nabobs of negativity” who have been sniping at Kate Middleton since the first time she was outed as William’s girlfriend. Anyway, I love how she has dropped out of sight but remains firmly in William’s life. The internet hater sites now have nothing to attack her for and worry 24/7 where she is and what she’s doing. Stalkers, every last one of them.

lisa, Guest,

Earlier this year I took the trouble of trying to place the initial comment on about 30+ ‘nasty’ comments directed at KM and her family.

Well over 60% started as ‘a BP aide said today’ or ‘ a CH contact revealed’ and even ‘HM has made it known’ and many similar comments.

Yes these are press stories and yes they exaggerate their royal connections or leaks but in all that time there wasn’t a single complimentary or mildly supportive comment.

Is that odd ?

I found it so.

B,

Mike T. dignified??? Wasn’t he recently arrested for drunk-driving?

B, I have to disagree with you. There is a double standard. Men do not have to live up to the higher moral standards as woman. If Kate, Chelsy had taken a photo in say a bathing suit for a calendar like Mike did, they would be called all sorts of names! The press will never let Kate live down her fashion show at SA. The press have printed pictures of PW butt at Peter’s stag party and that is all but forgotten. Kate falls at Disco and it’s like she posed for Penthouse! It is an unfair standard men get away with alot more than a woman could, that glass wall has not been broken. Just look at how most of us comment on the lack of coverage in Chelsy dress and Mike is in his undies and no one cares.

Excellent post Trixie and I agree with you that although people might not like it Kate has made the decisions herself and the consequences are ones that she must accept.

The general public doesn’t “know” all these things about KM that people on royal forums do They don’t know every step she has taken, what her sister or brother said, what William felt when she wore hotpants to a disco party etc. And thank God for that. It’s downright scary how closely some people follow her and what they (think they) know about her. Every step, every smile or lack of it, every word in the press is scrutinized and interperated. Most of the time as negatively as possible. This is not the public and I don’t think there are those strong emotions among “real” people towards KM. I bet the pubic just now doesn’t have a clue that there might be a break-up, a press ban, an attempt to quietly get rid of her or whatever one can get the impression of on the forums. Not even the comments after DM or Sun articles reflect the public opinion. Only very specially interested people will look up royal stuff on the net. Some of these “specially interested people” know everything about PW, PH, KM and CH and their famlies and their friends even. But they have very little understanding for royalty, protocol, traditions and just ways of doing things in the RFs of Europe . BP is not in Hollywood as some people seem to think
So I wouldn’t worry so much about Kate’s reputation and the need to restore the public respect for her. She doing fine.

Yes and Lisa I remember hearing somewhere that I think Duncan Larcombe has gone on record to say that personal friends of the Queen have approached him expressing negative sentiments about Kate. I’m pretty sure that courtiers and aides leak on a regular basis.

B I agree with Trixie there. If Kate had appeared in the sisterhood photoshoot she would have been done for. The oiled up shot of Mike Tindall whether for charity or not was inappropriate in my opinion. He is half naked and dating a royal. Not done IMO. It looks like something out of a chipendale calendar & will surely raise eyebrows in Royal circles. Yes he was recently arrested for getting a DUI & like Trixie said if Kate had done half of these things she would be persona non gratta. I personally don’t think that the roller disco was the big deal it was made out to be.

I also don’t agree that William’s press profile has necessarily been raised in a positive light this year. We had him falling out of nightclubs drunk several times. Then there was the stag night helicopter debaucle. Then there was the landing in the middleton back yard fiasco & now the memo that his people didn’t even know what he was doing and were told not to ask. My point is that he has had his fair share of negative press this year alongside Kate.

I don’t know Ked I thought that the split last year was leaked to the press by CH & some sort of confirmation came from them???

Oh yes Trixie I’m pretty sure that they do have eligible daughters and that is why they leaked. They were very annoyed that a “commoner” was making her way into the firm when their daughters were right there single and waiting. But you are right it doesn’t necessarily reflect the views of HM. HM has met KM on several occasions & I think likes her?

I just read the revised DM article. Wow what a difference 24 hours can make (and possibly a phone call) I did note the positive noises made about Kate & a very direct neither girl was invited (although it didn’t say neither girl attended)..

But all in all I think both of them will go to High Grove and I’m desperately hoping for pictures from somewhere. I think it is 3:00PM over there in blighty & the preparations must be in full swing!

Oh & Ked one final thing to note about Kate not being acknowledged. The prime minister at the time Tony Blair made a statement about the breakup saying that you’ve had your statement now leave them alone. So I think even though CH may not have said they are a couple the prime minister of the country did pretty big deal if you ask me!

Maple leaf, Ked, and Trixie, excellent posts!

There are some people, IMO, who want to “dictate” that all public opinion regarding Kate should be POSITIVE and anything less is “mean-spirited” or “simply negative.”

I argue that the public have a right to dislike Kate Middleton and to be vocal about their dislike.

1) BTW, anyone who “marries” into this high profile position will be in the public eye for decades. Remember Diana?

2) A princess/princess-to-be needs to maintain a postive public image. Kate is viewed as a princess-to-be. She is dating a future King, not some bloke down the road.

3) Royalty must maintain a certain level of public acceptance/approval if they wish to continue thier traditions.

Trixie identifies the turning point in public opinion to after the first public breakup bwt. PW when KM. At this time Kate transformed herself from sweet undergraduate to a London party girl and many people did not like the “new” Kate Middleton and started to dislike and criticize Kate.

I know of many, many people who changed their minds about Kate from like to dislike around this time and have solid/valid reason for doing so.

Kate’s “new” party girl image snowballed into the most undignified fall at the rollerskating charityfor any royal-to-be IMO. Would we have seen such a fall from Matilda, Maxima, Letitia, Rania, Salma, etc. before they married their crown princes?

Kate was held responsible for this fall and the “penthouse” implications of the photographs taken, IMO.

Kate seems to deny the significance of her position which explains why some attack/criticize her, IMO.

If Kate wants to marry a future King, perhaps it would be wise to take public opinion very, very seriously.

Kate has a public image to maintain and she really should try treat it much, much better than she has.

I wonder if she and Miguel Head are trying to modify her public image and her absence from the public sphere is part of a repair program.

Her image is badly in need of repair, IMO.

I think we are all like the blind man with the elephant: only the elephant knows the whole story.

With respect to the assertion that KM was asked by CH to drop out of the dragon boat race: both CH and the Sisterhood went on record as saying that CH had nothing to do with it. The spokesman for the Sisterhood stated that she was advised by her own attorneys to drop out for security reasons, among others.

And I think it is a shame that a young woman can’t enjoy her youth without the harassment and humiliation of herself and her family.

Stephanie, just saw your post and that is a terrific point about using one’s opponents natural weaknesses — sadly, I do think may be what has happened or what is currently happening.

Interesting idea also about them dissauding her from the participating in the dragon boat race but giving the go-ahead with the roller disco. Many of us could see well ahead of time that it would not be a dignified event seeing as it would potentially give the press lots of opportunities to photograph Kate falling down (which they did) and most would agree 80′s anything tends to make most people look less than regal. (Of course, it was a good cause but the unfortunate choice of the yellow short-shorts effectively negated that.)

I agree she would have benefitted from some professional PR advice, but I think even basic common sense would have ruled out doing something like this, or thinking it would be OK to join a boat race headed by an adult sex party organiser?

Unfortunately Kate, in some of ill-chosen charitable activities, has either appeared a bit of an exhibitionist or shown that her personal judgement is sadly naive sometimes. The grey men at the Palace are surely worried by this, as she is a grown woman with a first rate university degree and they might wonder, hmmmm, could she not do the math on the yellow short shorts or Emma Sayle (the adult sex paty organiser)?

Remember, just because all of this wouldn’t matter for a regular Joe or Jane, it does matter for Kate because her rep must be spotless, and her associations also. Unlike Harry, or William or Bea, she is still “auditioning” and will be held to a higher standard then most.

If she’d had a job rescuing puppies or something earnest and sincere, the press wouldn’t have been so hard on her. It was the absence of more serious pursuits that made them think she was a bit of a hedonistic fluffball. Which is obviously unfair, but does explain why she has to lay low a bit now and hope that people will forget and see her as a hardworking, charitable catalogue shopper.

I dont think Mike will be marrying Zara after this.

There is nothing even about Kate on this post and yet she still causes news!

I think “the press” (and I use that term advisedly) have been hard on KM because she and her family refuse to cooperate with them.

I guess that I will be in disagreement with the majority of folks that post on these sites. I’ll put out some random thoughts so people know where I stand:

1. I don’t think there is any romantic relationship between PW and KM. I think it is wholly a creation of the tabloid media to sell papers. PW is close friends with KM and her family and has been since their days at school.

2. As CH has repeatedly said, KM is a private citizen. As such, she is entitled to her privacy. As is her family. I have seen no evidence to suggest that she disagrees with this assessment.

3. As stated above, the DM campaign to smear KM and her family arises from their pique at the fact that she and her family refuse to cooperate and “spill the beans”, so that the DM can sell more papers. Therefore, anything reported in the DM should be taken with a grain of salt, to put it mildly.

4. I think the current press blackout on the Middletons has arisen from the family threatening legal action of some sort. Good on them. The only drawback I see to this is that I won’t get to find out who the cutie is that Pippa has been seen with in the last couple of set of pics on Getty Images (even I can be a celebrity junkie at times).

5. I admire KM and wish her the best.

His pictures don’t do him justice.

I don’ think Kate is “done in” for good. I agree that she’ll have to turn her image around but that’s not impossible just look at Harry and Chelsy. Kate has 18 months to do so. Camilla had the worst image possible and she was “allowed” into the BRF regardless. Kate’s “image problems” pale in comparison.

Can paps get close enough to Highgrove to get pictures? Have there ever been pap pics taken at Highgrove? I can’t remember.

If any of you happen to see a white flocked evergreen tree occasionally move outside the gates in Tetbury, do not be alarmed, for it is one of our operatives in deepest darkest cover.
I have warned Cecil (codenamed HoneyBunny) to refrain from using the flash like he did last time with the infamous pitchfork incident, so hopefully we will have pictures, albeit somewhat blurry ones, shortly.

Interesting theories indeed. If Kate’s just a friend though, who has PW been with in the biblical sense for all this time? Perhaps that affectionate kiss PW gave the horse in front of the crowd was telling us more than we realised at the time. Or perhaps would like to know, although at least there would never be a risk of the horse selling his or her story to the Sun.

Phoebe, that cutie with the Pipmeister I thought was Wilfred More Nisbett, of the Edinburgh More-Nisbett’s. I love how his pale redheaded skin contrasts so nicely against Pippa’s slightly more tanned tone. Very complimentary, this pair. A lovely couple, and I’m glad to see Pippa still gets out and about from time to time.

Gracie, thank you for your kind words dear but it is amazing how many points one can cover if one limits one’s post to 1500 words or less.

Bruno has photos of Rod arriving at Tetbury!

You can name TvS if you want to. He was also in New Zealand wth William on his first official royal tour (I do not remember what excuse they gave for him being there). Luckily enough Kate seems to get on with TvS very well.

I am sure though if William tried to hide a homosexual relationship, he’d be married to Kate by now since he would have no reason not to marry a trusted friend wo apparently doesn’t talk. Are Royals allowed to have homosexual marriages? I now those are legal in the UK – also for royals? That would be the first time the UK had two Queens.

Sorry but I just can’t take specualtion like that seriously…

No, Gracie — Ked was on schedule to be the moving rhododendron, as the camouflage deer costume worn at least year’s birthday bash for Camilla ended badly, very badly for another young man who was in BRW’s employ. Let’s just say everything has been worked out with PETA regarding that particular incident, and leave it at that, shall we? (The young man is fine, btw, and the wound has healed completely.)

Phoebe — libel laws? Oh dear, I think I see what you are inferring. So I must be off with my equine suspicions, then. In code, I will just say, when you think of it, is the first thought

T.hat’s V.ery S.uspicious?

I am quite shocked at my own boldness but I just couldn’t let that Queen joke pass and hey TvS would make a cute Consort at least …

My point is that often the evidence presented in support of a romantic relationship between PW and KM may not be evidence at all. As far as Pippa’s camera, we only have the Sun’s word for it that the pictures were in fact “intimate”. Who else has seen them? And whether MI5 were involved or not, I don’t know, but a crime was committed and the camera was in fact stolen property. Perhaps we should just move on.

Those with links to photos, please post (if allowed).

can’t wait to see more pictures.

Iranian comedian Omid Djalili

I think he participated in the We Are Most Amused show on Wed(?) night.

sorry Palmer Tompkinson

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/73101/Do-Ya-Think-Im-Sixty.html

Article on the event – it says Kate & Chelsy are there but no gossip!!

Pippa’s “cutie” is allegedly Simon Youngman, per Katie Nicholl. Also per KN, Charles allegedly blew off the birthday brunch organized by Elizabeth Anson, claiming he never planned to be there.

WHY WASN’T KATE AND CHELSEY THERE? DID THEY HAVE NOTHER PARTY TO GO TO?

We will never know if they were there unless photos get out. Alsgal mentioned that Billy The Drum mom is snobby and probably would not approve of PM if her sis was w/PW. I kind of added my own words to Alsgal comment, so don’t quote me line for line. Sorry dearest A. The point I was making is PM is w/a wealthy man but no aristo, so maybe KM and PW have split. Maybe the Midds are no longer “in” the royal circles anymore. Just a hunch. I don’t put alot of stock of them being together still. I think the press is being fed the info that she was there to go along w/the soft split. RA sounds alot like Ked. John just got back from a trip too, like Ked. I hope he is not Ked. I am sad, as I was hoping for some photos of Kate arriving.

Lyndsay, H posted a link to a News of The World article, it’s a few posts up. The NoTW article says that Wills and Harry and Kate and Chelsy were all there.

Here is a link to a Daily Mail article that says Wills and Harry spent the night at Highgrove Friday night, and that both Kate and Chelsy were at the party:

http://tinyurl.com/6cyp3s

I think it’s possible Kate and Chelsy stayed at Highgrove on Friday night also, or maybe they arrived there very early this morning.

Right they was there but no photos. I’m just hoping we will see them out somewhere soon. They probably did arrive early or the day before.

jj, yeah it seems a little weird. Especially since they both have come back from traveling. Wasn’t it you who asked earlier if he was John and Ked said he was hurt?

The DM article says guests were coached in. Seems kind of extreme, but it would explain the lack of pictures. Either that or folks went in the back way; or the paps are teriffied and didn’t show up.

Yes it was me Gracie. I just got a bit suspicious when I read his post about Kate’s role going forward in Williams life it just sounded very similar. I was half joking but half thinking hmmmmmm.

Or like I’ve mentioned before they could have been on the floor or in the boot of some car. Who knows. I wonder if there is more than one entrance to Highgrove?? But yes a lot of people who attended were not photographed so ..

I thinked if PW and KM will split up they would be in mags.and newspapers stating that they split since then they dont have a news about them. about the rumors or speculation about kate pregnancy the clearance house or PW state that he wants to be interviewed. and seems the clearance house doesnot mind that already.

Wow the grounds look amazing Mapleleaf!!! Lisa the whole things is hilarious really.

Hello,

Hey. I am not John!

I do not know John and I am not a journalist .

I have only just got in after a hectic night following an evening and night at the BBC watching Strictly come dancing and went out to drown sorrows with a few friends.

I checked to see what has been happening to read that I am accused of being John Evans from RA. That I can assure you is completely untrue and I can assure you that I feel very unhappy at being thought to be that person.

Will write more to morrow.

Good night (morning)

Chelsy was caught leaving a London club Saturday with her friend Olivia Perry and some guy. I guess she was not in Highgrove then.
http://tinyurl.com/59sokl

None of the journalists seem convinced that either Kate or Chelsy were there. The DM says something like it is believed that Kate and Chelsy were there, but those photos obviously show that she was not, unless they have mixed up the dates of the photos or something. In which case the papers do not know at all if the girls were there or not as they said Chelsy was but she wasn’t after all.

So what do we think? I say wait until we have more info and a real source but I have a feeling that it will not happen. I could not imagine that they would invite William’s girlfriend but not Harry’s. That would be a real insult to Chelsy and Harry. Likewise, I could not see Chelsy rejecting an invitation because it would not look good for her and would most likely disappoint Harry.

Oh it’s so confusing!

Who knows when those pictures of Chelsy were actually taken. Daily Star is a bottom feeder,lol…I bet that with Kate being so low key right now the tabs are going to zero in on Chelsy…good luck to her. I think it will be come the Pippa and Chelsy show..oy.

HI my name is sarah and I’m from belgium and leaves near Paris (in france). My sister lives and works in london. She was a waitress (?) as an extra in tetbury (I think it’s charles house Highgrove). She wanted to take pictures (hidding) but she could’nt arrived. But both girls were there. Kate was there on friday (she saw here when she comes first to help the arrangements with her boss and the team) and Chelsy arrives on saturday afternoon (2pm). I asked her how they were dress (one in black, the other in cream). Both were very lovely and beautiful

I forgot, Anne’s husband was there but without his wife (i dont know whyn maybe sick) and zara was here too. The children of camilla and béatrice too. and the most beautiful was sophie who was splendid (?)

So, I ask a few questions to my sister but she wants to sleem (it an hour less in london). Chelsy follows Harry everywhere (she seems less confortable and a little shy, but harry takes her hands all along) but kate speaks with everyone and lives her life (my sister says she is more confortable and speaks a lot with the hands and is not shy at all) chelsy was a little lost without harry but kate knows quite everyone. Zara was not quite well (a little sad, but why ?) william was teasing kate a lot and was very happy and a little tan and harry too (but just a little) at one moment william catch kate and say something in one ear and she explose of laughs . Sorry for the moment I have to do some shopping for lunch. I’ll be back in half an our.

Everyone, you’re welcome. I think Highgrove is very pretty also.

Thanks for posting that for me Trixie, I don’t mind at all. I only want to point out 1 thing:

Chelsy was actually at the club on Friday night, not Saturday. The party at Highgrove was last night, which was Saturday night.

The photo taken of Chesly and shown in the Daily Star was taken Friday night/early Saturday morning.

The Daily Star article doesn’t claim Chelsy wasn’t at Highgrove on Saturday night. What it said was :
“YESTERDAY Chelsy was snapped in the early hours”
meaning, it was late Friday night/early Saturday morning when Chelsy was snapped leaving Amika nightclub.

The fact is, the Daily Star article is a scan of a PRINT tabloid page. It’s an actual, physical, printed tabloid page. The latest it could’ve gone to print was early Saturday evening.

So by the time the party at Highgrove started, the Daily Star tabloid was printed and headed for the newsstands. There is no way Clive knew on Saturday afternoon/evening what happened Saturday night and early this (Sunday) morning.

I do believe Kate and Chelsy were at Highgrove last night. The photo agencies have only shown the photos of about 14 people or so, but supposedly about 100 people actually attended the party.

So either there are people who attended the party whose photos we haven’t seen online, or we have to assume only 14 or so people actually attended the party for Charles at Highgrove.

Supposedly there were about 100 guests at the Highgrove party. We haven’t seen their photos online, so does that mean they weren’t really there at Highgrove?

Let’s be realistic: If any of the guests arrived by coach, then we AREN’T going to get photos of those people. How many people can comfortably fit on a coach? Maybe 35? The online photos aren’t going to show us their photos.
In this case, I don’t think we can assume the online photos are showing us ALL of the guests who attended, because if that was the case, then they had an awfully small party for Charles at Highgrove!

There were at least 2 articles that definitely said Kate and Chelsy were there, the NoTW article and the UK Press Association article.

I think they were there, because in this instance I can’t see what the newspapers would gain by saying the girlfriends were there if they really weren’t.

I’am back. I phoned my mother (who is in Paris) and she told me she phoned too my sister (who was angry we wake up her so early). These infos are from my mother. Just a few things, the party was not in the main house. The guests had to cross a part of the garden (with beautiful lights blue and red) to arrive in another part of the house outside where there were many tables with flowers and “nappe” white. the prince did a littlle speech to welcome everybody. My sister said she didnt like the way Chelsy was makup (with blue) she thinks it doesnt suit her. But Kate was in brown (the makup). My sister likes the way Chelsy looked at harry. She said Chelsy is more a “jeune fille” and kate a “woman” and it’s the same in their behaviour. I thought Chelsy was the one who has the most “confidence” and it ‘s finally kate my sister told me. By the way I love the post of Mapleleaf. If I remember something else, I tell you.

Thank you for saying you liked my post Sarah Nicolas.

Also thank you for all of your exclusive information.

Did you sister say if she liked the way Kate looked at William as well? Did they seem close like Harry and Chelsy?

It sounds like Kate was mingling with everyone very well, but she’s been in that sort of environment more than Chelsy has, so it would make sense that she is more comfortable.

I do hope William and Kate were close. Harry and Chelsy sound like they were probably adorable together!

Ked, I am sorry and don’t be angry.

Sarah said William was teasing Kate a lot. I guess that means that they are close. No problems in that relationship, like the non-dramatic among us have said all along

Hello Trixie, for the photos, my sister was not authorised to keep her mobile with her. When she arrived she had to change her clothes and put her coat and bag and clothes in a special place and the people working for the evening were breafing by a staff responsible what to do and what not to do. camera and mobile were forbidden.

There are pictures on rex that show arrivals of Zara and her dad, Simon Sebag, Camilla and daughter Laura in what looks like a van. Maybe they were not arrivals but departures now that I think of it as Sophie had no coat on in the latest pics and you could see her dress was white. Ya’ll might have already seen these already though, but I think they were updated today.

Gracie, Hi can you telle me how to find REX I type rex on google and didn’t anything

Great, but when you clic on the photos, you can’t have a larger version… what a pity ! I don’t know half of the people. Unknown in france I’m afraid.

My sister and her boss and the team go to Highgrove in one hour to take off the material they land/bring (prêter) for the evening. They leave behind them a part of things they were not able to take off at 3am (end of the evening). So I asked she calls me to give me some news (if there is news to give). I email you if there is something. I can’t call her before 8 or 9 pm (it’s nearly 4pm in France, and for my sister 3pm).

Is it worth noting that Mike Tindall did not accompany Zara Phillips? I wonder after the photo shoot if all is well in Tindall/Phillips land?

Sarah thanks so much for sharing it was really nice to hear about the boys and girls!!!!

Me,

Have you therefore heard anything to that effect ?

I must admit to thinking that her promotion in PP may mean that she is opening a new office/warehouse in Dublin. I believe that there are huge taxation based incentives there especially for export related business.

I am anxious to confirm this story as it may then lead on to something else I can’t yet mention.

Hello,
I am a self-employed photographer whose photos have been carried by Rex and Getty. There were 6 photographers outside the gates of Highgrove yesterday morning, which had increased to 11 in the evening, all stationed outside the main gates of Highrove, as the Royal Protection service does not tolerate them anywhere else near the property.

A Land Rover registered to Mr. Michael Middleton was seen entering Highrove around 4:00 p.m. yesterday, and Michael and Carole Middleton were clearly seen in the front, Michael driving, Carole as his passanger. Kate Middleton was not visible, so we had the assumption that she must have come earlier, or perhaps was hiding in the back. One of the photographers asked Mr. Middleton to please comment on the rumour that his daughter was soon to be engaged to Prince William, but he said nothing as he rolled up his window (after presenting something to the policemen on duty) but smiled graciously and waved as he drove past. Mrs. Middleton also smiled slightly but did not wave. Both were wearing day clothing, so it appears they perhaps changed once they got to the main house and as their Land Rover was not seen for the rest of the evening, it is assumed they stayed as overnight guests of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall.

Make of that what you will.

You where working, post the pics.

phyllis a, thank you for that. I’m trying to be patient because I truly she and William will reapear in the public soon. But you got so many bloggers and sites that is ready to lock that relationship up and throw away the key. And I’m trying to tell everyone, wait not just yet. There’s something good going on and it’s we the public that just have to be patient and wait for what’s coming.

My point exactly. So take anyone’s “word” with a grain of salt. Ditto for the stories in the DM or anywhere else that make a claim one way or another about ANYTHING. If the DM and other tabs have been wrong about Kate and William breaking up (when they were still together) why are they assumed to be correct now that they are claiming Kate was there? That makes no sense, as that relies purely on the ssumption that she would be there if she is still PW’s girlfriend. Without verifiable proof, it’s still only speculation.

She might have been there, she might not have been there. It’s still 50/50. Just as before.

‘Tis Alsgal, btw.

Ked, what kind of info can you not tell us yet? If KM is starting her own business in Dublin, well that’s not a huge deal and I wish her well. What else would be so secretive that you can’t mention? By what you have told us, I can assume that KM and PW care deeply for one another but will do their own things. So what’s else is there left to say? If what Phylis is saying is true than I can’t see why the Midds would attend and possibly stay the night if something serious is not going on between KM and PW.

phyllis a

Your pst is date stamped Nov 16th 2008,11.39 that is today sunday.

You state 6 photographers sat am and 11 sat pm.

At 4pm saturday a land rover entered H. with Mr and Mrs M inside.

How do you know Land Rover registered to Mr M. Do you have police powers to search car registrations ?

You the claim Mr and Mrs M stayed Sat night as guests ?

Is that corbrect please ?

Hello,

I knew from other info that there was irregularities in that post.

Good spoof Alsgal but don’t test the strength of our hearts again. There aren’t enough emergency helicopters a bout at present here in UK.

Seriously now.

Did anyone read the Coroners report on Army officers death togther with reference to shortage and reliability of helicopters for battle field emergencies?

Good one alsgal.

A good example of tough love there, I think sometimes good news is welcomed willing with smiles but the bad news is always shunned to one side. You have made a very good point.

I think we must consider objectively what is being said and then make our own decisions, if they differ from someone else’s thats fine but I would not want the wool to be pulled over anyones eyes.

The people at the Royal forum is now making fun of this site and all the fake posts. Is it smart to give this forum that type of image really? And why should somebody with some inside information ever want tro post here again?

Ked, no I did not read it, but it does not surprise me. I assume you are mentioning this because of PW S and R position?

alsgal, I always find it interesting how the papers fail to mention that both Kate and Pippa are millionaire daughters themselves. They are quite a “good catch” by all standards. Who is to say they are the ones chosing and no the ones chosen by the men they date? The article says the guys family is “fairly wealthy” – so are the Middletons. Since he has to work for a living in event planning no less, I dare assume his family wealth is not great enough to support him so he is in no better social “class” than Pippa herself especially if he doesn’t even hold a title of some sorts.

I just read your posts because I’m back and just had my sister on phone. I ‘m surprised of your posts and dont understand. Is it normal to think people said lies (mensonge, I think it’s the word). I was not obliged to post and I didnt known with whom to share without put my sister in a difficult position. I just check google france with the words “british and royalty”. It’ not so great to do that. So if I post something new You are going to bash me and analyse my post and decide it’s not true ? Im really sorry if you are all so spectical about simple things in life. That’s ok for me.

sarah, you shouldn’t take any scepticism personally but unfortunately it happens quite often that people claim to have “inside knowledge” and therefore some posters have become rather wary of posts like this.
As you can read, ked, says he heard Kate was in Dublin – whereas you say your sister saw her in Highgrove. So whom are we supposed to believe since not both of you can be right and there’s no media report backing either of your stories?

I for one like to hear what your sister told you though I as well remain cautious before I get my hopes up for Will and Kate.

Just at the moment Rod Stewart confirms to Rock and Folk journalist on Canal + (interviewed) the presence of the two royal girlfriends (the first question of the journalist) and said he reforms his group (I missed the name) from the 17 november and play with them.

Trixie, I think you are right — the Middletons and the Youngmans are probably considered equals as their money is self-made. Whereas George Percy and Ted Innes-Ker (Northumberland and Roxburghe heirs) and even Billy are considered part of the old guard.

For all we know, Pippa’s family might be richer then Billy’s, but we can probably assume the Middletons are not richer then the Duke of Roxburghe (80+ million pounds) or Northumberland (300+ million pounds) so at least with those last two, if Pippa dated them, she would have been marrying up both status-wise and financially speaking. Billy would be a step up status wise (by British standards) but no telling what their liquidity is.

We don’t know much about the Middletons financial status, either. Given the number of employees, they are considered a small family business, and I’d predict their income has been anywhere from $ 1-5 million per year after expenses but before taxes for at least the past 5 years. Just a guess, please don’t quote me on that.:)

What the DM is probably inferring is that Pippa has never been seen dating anyone who is not rich. While she certainly would have met a lot of these types at Marlborough/Edinburgh her track record in attracting well-off boys (given that she’s attractive but no great beauty and has a lowly job) it is somewhat remarkable. Lots of rich girls date the odd poor but handsome guy (or bad boy) sometime on their way to the alter. I don’t think Pippa will be doing that.

Also Trixie, you can often read “party planner/fashion house PR spokeswoman/society interior decorator” as someone who doesn’t have to work, but who is being supported by their parents whilst they scale the social ladder.

Please do not be offended sarah at all. Here at BRW we do analyse comments and new information very careful, mainly because we have been told inaccurate information before which we have believed and then felt hurt. Do not take it personally, people here are just very cautious. The information you have given us is very useful but do not feel obliged to tell us if you do not wish to.

Dagy: people are skeptical over whether either girl was there or not. We know that they would not invite one and not the other. I personally believe that both were there as the articles now seem sure whilst before they did not. This implies that they have had a confirmation by an unknown source.

I do not think that Kate’s Jewish roots have anything to with it. In fact as she is CoE, I doubt it matters at all what religion her ancestors were. I think the “taste of wealthy men” remark was just a subtle way of saying it, they did not want to call her a goldigger because that would be very insulting, therefore they just imply it. However, considering the status and wealth of all her previous boyfriends she does seem to prefer wealthy men but perhaps they are only the only people she mixes with, who knows?

Trixie: By fairly wealthy I think they are comparing him to someone like William who is very wealthy. The Middletons themselves have no real status in society. They have built their status on dating rich, upper class men. I am sorry that it is harsh but it is true. Even going to Marlborough would not have bought them as much as status as they have know. Kate and Pippa would have just become another girl who went to a posh private school if Kate had not dated PW.

I am offended though (for personal reasons) that you think just because a person works they obviously are not that wealthy. I work, my partner works and a lot of people who I know do yet none of us actually needs to, we work because we enjoy it and like to contribute to society and our country.

As for the social class status comment, Zara Phillips does not hold a title, does that make her the same status as Pippa? His family may not be the traditionally aristocracy so in terms of title and being part of the upper class they do not have a high social status. BUT they have mixed within those circles for much longer, have more connections and influence within the social class and therefore are of a higher social class. We much remember that there are many levels within each of the categories of social class, there is not just the lower, middle, upper middle and upper class. there are many different sections within each of those as class boundaries are no longer clear.

Kate and Pippa maybe millionaire daughters but compared to a lot of millionaires their family is not that rich. I would like to know how much of their wealth is actually in assets i.e. their home rather than real money.

Because Pippa’s family is one of the newest of the new rich. Chelsy’s parents were wealthy before she was born. Holly and Isabella were born into that circle and with that wealthy.

Pippa on the other hand has entered the circle due to going to Marlborough (which helped her meet the right people) and by her sister dating William (which helped her social status improved so she becomes a figue in society rather than someone on the sidelines).

Holly wasn’t born into wealth any more than Kate. Her daddy made his money just like the Middletons made theirs only that he made MUCH more of it then them.
I see we are back at the old debate that you have to have your family wealth for some decades before daring going anyhwere near an aristo. So it’s ok to date rich men when your family has been rich for centuries or daddy is a billionaire but if your parents are “new money” you have to date Joe the plummer or you’ll be called a social climber.
Either they are all snobs only dating rich guys (because they can) or they are all dating within their “circle” since they all obviously part of the same circle whether others may regard them as belonging to the same “class” or not. After all Kate apparently managed to get “in” with Wills circle rather easily to the point that they now date for about 5 years. Pippa moved in with aristo heirs at university before it was even known her sister was dating the heir to the throne. Maybe all those “classes” only exist in our heads because the young aristo set certainly doesn’t seem to obey the old “rules”.

I never ever heard of Kate, Pippa, James or any member of the Middleton family mixing with those circles before Kate went to St Andrews and dated William, have you?

There are hundreds and hundreds of girls who have gone to Marlborough college and most of them get a very good education, meet some people who become social high but a majority do not end up dating members of the aristocracy. As I said above in terms of wealth, Kate and Pippa are from the new rich class. I know it sounds snobbish but we all know that the old rich like to marry the old rich and stay within their social class, which is why it is so difficult to enter their social circle. Kate and Pippa were close to people in that circle but I seriously doubt that either of them could have entered it in the manner that they have if Kate had not met PW.

Algal point taken however I did get excited when I read the post. I actually could see them being there. Sarah thank you for your post. Do not take the doubting seriously. It is not hopefully taken personally. Any information please pass it along. I am still keeping my fingers crossed for them.

True Kat, after all, the public got to know that W&K where back last year thanks to a poster in IF.

By the way, have people seen the latest Daily Express article

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/71451/Middleton-camp-is-fighting-back-

This is now the 3rd daily express article in 3 weeks I think after a period with no news at all (& usually the Daily express doesn’t really focus on Royal stories). First the one saying that Kate had been “promoted”, 2nd the one about the Birkhall visit & now this one about how Kate’s mum is feeling at the moment & that PW’s friends are suggesting that he plays around. They are all “exclusives” & all rather “pro” the Middletons. I wonder whether they have a “leaker in the camp”?? & what it could mean.

When you read the 3rd of the 3 articles it does rather sound like the pre-emptive strike before a break up. Though the thing that doesn’t sound at all true is the bits about PW’s friends comments as alot of them I thought seem to be very friendly to Kate?? What do other people think?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1086210/Royal-fry-Charles-party-guests-recover-princes-60th-birthday-bash.html

According to Rebecca English, KM and CD where at the party and spent the night at Highgrove.

Around the table, which buzzed with lively chatter, with birthday boy was his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, his sons, William and Harry, and their girlfriends, Kate Middleton and Chelsy Davy.

H, I think there are probably some of PW friends that may truly like Kate, but there are those who might be nice to her in person but talk bad about her behind her back. It would not surprise me if some of PW snotty friends don’t think KM is good enough for a prince. But these people would probably feel that way about anyone who he dates. I guess we will find out who her true friends are if a break-up occurs. I do agree with you that the article sounds like they are hinting of a breakup. With PC parties over, I would think word would come out, but like Ked mentioned we might not hear anything until PW leaves for duty in Jan.

Gracie, those comments will come no matter what. It’s just some expression from viewers that’s all. Not everyone think that way. William & Kate have a big fan base and people do like seeing them together. As we can see H a lot of William friends is Kate friends as well. They was there having fun at the Roller Disco, even the ones that wasn’t on the committee. The Middletons’ has had their share of bad press and talked about all the time. But all they can do is ignore it and if things get too out of hand, they will deny it. There’s a price to pay if your daughter is dating the heir to the throne but they manage to keep going and not worry about everything. You can’t worry about everything or else you would go crazy. I’m not worried about if she was there at the party beacuse we should just face it, if the girls was invited then they was there. That’s it. Now that we got Charles’s birthday out of the way, I’m looking forward to a sighting. I’m blocking out alot of speculation because non of it makes any sense and there is alot of rubbish going around. The media at times have a way of treating Kate and her family so unfairly at times for no reason at all, I’m mean some of this stuff just plucks my last nerve.

Now Gracie I do agree with you that some of the friends may not like her but all that matters is that William likes her. But I don’t think anything is hinting on a breakup. Which you know must really gets on William & Kate’s last nerve too. Everytime you look up someone is talking about a breakup. I remember last year when they did breakup for awhlile. Everybody was saying that the relationship was over, finished and it just had simply ran it’s course. Then before you could blink your eyes, those two was right back at each others side. And appeared stronger than ever. Something happened this year to them. They took things to another level and she stood by him with a proud smile on her face while he was in training and while he got his wings. William & Kate is strong but many are still thinking that they are not. But the only ones can show you is them.

gracie, people have been calling the Middletons social climbers ever since the break up last year and that label stuck. It is far too easy to apply for it to be removed easily especially because I believe there are many snobby aristocrats around who would make snarky remarks because they have their own relatives to promote for the crown.
I do not see how that indicates anything about the state of the relationship. How could CH stop people from having that opinion or the DM from posting those comments? I also don’t get why CH should release a picture of Kate at the party. They have not released any pictures form the Highgrove party and given that sarah sid Kate arrived on Friday already it would explain why she was not pictured arriving Saturday night with the other guests.
Had the paps gotten a pic of her, todays papers would be about nothing but her and Wills when it should be Charles’ weekend.

I do hope we get a clarification in the coming weeks/days though.

Does anyone know whether William will be at the Germany/England football match Wednesday?

If some of you need a laugh, here’s a good one:

http://tinyurl.com/62um69

“Feisty ‘Mail on Sunday’ diarist Katie Nicholl has a history of breaking stories about Kate Middleton and is, I hear, planning a book about her. Earlier this year she reported that Middleton has earned the moniker Waity Katie, as she does nothing but wait to marry. According to one ‘Mail’ colleague, that was Nicholl’s nickname before she got hitched.”

Katie Nicholl is reflecting herself onto Kate.

I know when I read that, I was like OMG. So Katie Nicholl’s is the original Waity Katie. LOL.

Alsgal…

In terms of wear-and-tear I think Kate has far exceeded the 60,000 mile mark already!

L, jmo but Kate’s beautiful complexion always reminds me of dew on the grass on the first day of spring, and she will continue to hold up well, I think. Her mother is a very youthful looking 64 and her sister also looks good for being in her late 20s, so going on genetics alone, Kate’s future is as bright as her gorgeous smile.

Has anyone noticed how bizarrely written the UK Press Association blurb on the Highgrove bashwas? It says Rod and Penny arrived at 5.25 pm for a twenty minute soundcheck “before Penny arrived by herself two hours later.” The blurb was accompanied by a picture of them arriving together. Huh?

I think that we can safely say that Kate was at the event.

Ked, I think that what you say makes alot of sense. I have to also say that it makes my heart sink when I think about it as I have been in a similarish kind of situation (he wasn’t a prince though!!) and in my case it did not have a happy ending. I would not wish this situation on anyone – especially since if PW does love her & gives in & gives her up, it will be unlikely to lead to happiness. There is always regret and also the danger that you re-kindle things later, hurting others. ps. Before anyone runs for the Kleenex, I was fine, met a great guy now my husband – My ex Fiancee though ……

Lisa, that is reassuring to know Mandrake says both girls were there, as Mandrake seems to get things correct more often than Katie Nicholl.

I firmly believe that Kate has chosen to hang on to William, and that she is simply waiting for him to grow up and get over the baggage he carries because of his parents marriage.

Five more years, and 20 Party Pieces catalogues later, he will finally commit.

We must all be patient.

Alsgal,I am confident that it won’t be 5 years. Hang in there!

Lisa, my liver will not accomodate five more years of this stress-induced drinking, so let’s hope we are in the 18 month revamp plan instead.

W&C wedding in summer 2010, or I might need to change my Forum name to Sir Osis.

Right Lisa, something will come, we just have to be patient and not let all the gossip get to us, which happens from time to time.

I am sure PW has plenty of pressures in his life. We all do. He is a future King,thats in itself must be mindboggleing. I don’t think anybody in him family is pressuring him not to marry Kate . It is all nonsense if you think about it. This is the royal family we are talking about. I highly doubt anybody on any internet site knows what is going on with their personal lives, We all need to calm down, take a step back a look at this realistically. We don’t know their plans because it is their personal business and they are trying to keep it that way. No big conspiracy.

Lisa,
You are absolutely right. I am going to back off from speculating about this relationship starting NOW. It is impossible to know what is really going on between PW and KM.

We only know what is comfirmed by CH, which isn’t much.

I am done!

miscellaneous rambling thoughts:

last time i visited ‘royal anecdotes’, i left a very innocuous comment about the royals; i also mentioned how lucky we were here in the u.s. to have such a wonderful presidential candidate in Barack Obama.

well, my comments were never posted, so i concluded i was somehow banned. interesting.

i won’t ever visit that site again, since every bit of traffic helps the owner get revenue.

in any case, we’re ecstatically happy that Obama will be our 44th president! we’re so lucky to have such a wonderful man at the helm.

otherwise: it looks as if KM is seeking solace by going undercover.

the media has been so mean-spirited toward her; if the photos of her from that skating rink episode were bothersome, then how petty is that! granted, she probably shouldn’t have been captured in such a pose, but neither should she be pilloried for it.

so many of the comments about her in the media are just vicious.

and, as has been said here often, those nasty media comments call attention to pw’s failure or reluctance to defend km publicly.

it seemed such a stinging blow for km to suddenly learn of pw’s new career plans. there would have to have been a major counterveiling move on pw’s part to blunt that shock and public moritification, yet nothing was forthcoming.

so….on the one hand, i hope pw proposes, since that would probably make km happy at this point in her life.

on the other hand, i tend to think she could do so much better; she could marry a more mature, caring and decent fellow, who would treat her well both short and long term.

so….