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Kings of comedy take the stage for birthday tribute to Prince – Times Online
The Prince of Wales has spent more than 30 years pursuing his own agenda – but he gets little pleasure from it. As he prepares for his 60th birthday tomorrow, he has said that he enjoys only “bits” of his job, but does it because he feels that he must… (slideshow of pics here)
Prince Harry: ‘I’m not ginger. I’m auburn’ – Telegraph
Prince Harry appears to be in denial about arguably his most striking feature – his hair. After the finale of a comedy night in honour of the Prince of Wales’ 60th birthday, the Prince quipped to comedian John Cleese, “I’m not ginger. I’m auburn, that’s what I’ve been told.”…
Five reasons Prince Charles should think again about becoming king – National Post
He’s been waiting a long time, it’s true. Longer, in fact, than any previous Prince Of Wales. And his mother seems decidedly disinclined to fade off into retirement and let him have his whack at being King. It’s a pity. But isn’t it a bit early to get all forlorn? Here are a few things the Prince might consider before moping off for another slog through the moors…
‘HELLO!’ covergirl Pippa and the Stewart clan party at Claridge’s – Hello!
Having recently been named the country’s most desirable singleton, Pippa Middleton boosted her social cachet even further this week by mingling with the first families of British rock…
November 13th, 2008 13:33
Was PW not there? Hmmmm….
November 13th, 2008 13:47
i dont know why this website is being wasted in talking about someone who has no relevance to what it is being talked about. If KM pippa may still be hanging out with rich influential people but i dont think she would getting as much fame as she is getting now.
November 13th, 2008 13:53
the first pics of the gala dinner arrivals: Sophie and Camilla. Why does Camilla come by car from CH? It’s not that far I would have thought there’s some underground connection between the palaces.
http://tinyurl.com/6gzzj6
http://tinyurl.com/6mw3f5
November 13th, 2008 14:02
Trixie, they always go by car.
November 13th, 2008 14:26
Getty updated with pics of several European Royals. Princess Voctoria, Mary, Maxima, Mathilde… none of Will and Harry (yet)
November 13th, 2008 14:37
I wonder whether KM will attend with PW?
Depending on whether she attends or doesnt attend the party with PW, we will get to know more about the status of their relationship.
November 13th, 2008 14:41
We will probably hear about them on Sat at the Highgrove party. I just don’t think they will attend BP’s party. Kate & Chelsy I mean.
November 13th, 2008 14:42
Although it would be nice if they had dates for the BP’s party. I wouldn’t want to go all alone.
November 13th, 2008 14:46
I had no idea that so many European royals would be attending. How exciting! No sign of PW or PH as of yet. If KM and PW are no longer together, I bet some match making will be happening tonight!
November 13th, 2008 14:46
Yes a lot of people including “courtier sources” have said that neither KM or CD will attend the Buckingham Palace do. Saturday is the less formal & probably more fun event out of the two anyway..
November 13th, 2008 14:58
I am wondering if PW will be there tonight?
November 13th, 2008 14:58
Gracie that is funny. I don’t Kate nor Chelsy would have much to worry about.lol.
November 13th, 2008 15:06
Everyone they have taken pictures of so far look to be at least over 30. Not sure how old the Victoria of Sweden is but everyone looks OLD..
November 13th, 2008 15:19
I know Princess Madeleine is the same age as PW. Princess Victoria is the oldest, so I think she may be 30, but no older than that. The rest are over 35, except Princess Mary who I think is 34. I am sure there will be some young blood there, close friends of PC and their older children. I hope we get full shots, cause I would love to see what the princesses are wearing. All the bling! I noticed in the photos from getty, the European royals do not look like they are wearing there tiaras. Perhaps that is only for state visits?
November 13th, 2008 15:29
Some of them royals have daughters, nieces, a blood related who are from 8 to 12 years old. You know what I mean.
November 13th, 2008 15:31
Princess Madeleine is very pretty, I don’t think I have seen pictures of her arriving as yet. I don’t know Gracie I’m not sure if this is the type of event that you bring your children too. By the looks of who is attending it looks rather formal. But that’s just my opinion.
November 13th, 2008 15:32
PW and PH are there! Photos at bruno press.
November 13th, 2008 15:34
I am talking about children of PC friends etc. that are in their 20’s, around the age of PH or PW.
November 13th, 2008 15:40
Hey Gracie
Could you paste a link please? Can’t find it.
November 13th, 2008 15:41
thanks gracie. No Kate, no Chelsy as expected.
Princess Victoria is 31. I don’t think Madeleine is there or I guess she would have arrived with her sister, no?
November 13th, 2008 15:45
here are the pics of Will and Harry
http://tinyurl.com/5d44be
http://tinyurl.com/67325s
http://tinyurl.com/57xkf4
November 13th, 2008 15:46
http://www.brunopress.nl/fotoweb/GridNormal.fwx
Look under news section.
November 13th, 2008 15:47
Thanks Trixie, alot easier to find photos that way!
November 13th, 2008 15:56
Well it seems like they are having a great night.
November 13th, 2008 16:09
There have been no photo’s yet of charles’s other siblings – is princess Anne going does anyone know? Prince Andrew I think is still overseas. Also Princess Victoria is engaged, but her fiancee doesn’t seem to have been invited. Looking at the invitees. there is no way that Kate & chelsy would ever have been invited
November 13th, 2008 16:11
More photos
http://www.rexfeatures.com/live/2008/11/13/party_hosted_by_the_queen_for_prince_charles_60th_birthday
November 13th, 2008 16:11
Sophie was there, so I guess Edward went. I don’t know about Anne.
I think Princess Victoria is not engaged (yet). The world is still waiting for that announcement…
November 13th, 2008 16:12
Yes there are photos of Sophie, Kents. Rexfeatures.
November 13th, 2008 17:20
I would think that if Edward, Anne and Andrew went they would walk out w/the Queen like PC but in order of rank. So maybe that is why we only see photos of Sophie alone, maybe Edward is watching the kiddies. Princess Maxima is really posing in the back of the car for photos. Kinda funny, really. When I said children, I should have mention adult-children. I was thinking along the lines of Hon. Alexandra Knatchbull.
November 13th, 2008 17:23
Seems like if your name did not start with the initials HRH,you were not at this party Zzzzzzzzzzzz.
November 13th, 2008 17:31
Yeah Gracie
I’m not sure. It looks purely like Europen Royalty. Friends adult daughter I’m not sure will cut it for this event. Probably on Saturday that sort of thing will go on but I’m really not sure that this is the type of event that friends adult children would be attending. Remember there was a fuss about not everyone being able to attend the entire event just the drinks & that is why they had to organize the brunch to appease the people who were told they couldn’t come to the dinner.
It’s just my opinion…
November 13th, 2008 17:34
Sorry let me amend my posting to it looks like just royalty and VIP’s attended this event
November 13th, 2008 17:36
I bet there are alot of big egos in that room. Love to be a fly on the wall.
November 13th, 2008 19:25
Rock star Rod Stewart was due to perform at the event, attended by the queen and her husband Prince Philip, Charles and his wife Camilla, and more than 400 European royalty, friends and members of his charitable organisations.
Woops 400 + guests.
November 13th, 2008 19:30
The Sun did report that Kate and Chelsy were to be at Bucks, but that was several weeks ago. I don’t think Kate will be at Highgrove either. I hope to be proven wrong, but I think they have broke up. But we shall see!
November 13th, 2008 20:27
gracie,I don’t really understand why people think they have broken up. There are no facts to support it. As for the Buck event, it was an official royal engagement and like any other, girlfriends are not present. Thats protocol. The Highgrove party is more of a private event it seems and I am sure both girls will be there. I honestly think the new PR guy is simply trying to put some privacy back into their personal lives which has become like a soap opera playing out in the press.
November 13th, 2008 20:34
I thought Rod Stewart was doing the Highgrove event — and for the fancy schmancy BP gala, didn’t Ricardo Muti resign in a huff because HM dared to suggest he pare down his classical music program a bit? Maybe Charles treated his lucky guests to a cello solo instead, accompanied by Camilla on tambourine, both singing “Ain’t No Stoppin’ Us Now” by McFadden and Whitehead.
Although I still think Kate will be at Highgrove, I am starting to think if something had not cooled between W&K she probably would have been invited to this (and would have gone) if they were on a verge of an engagement, as I seem to recall both Sophie and Camilla were invited to these official but private events once they had reached a certain standing as Royal Girlfriend? Kate was at the Garter, so I guess there was a precedent.
Also, I believe I remember a beautiful Lady Diana attending a senior Royal’s birthday party at the Ritz or something, a few months before the official engagement was announced?
Even I am having a hard time making the argument that KM stayed way from this to avoid publicity as she seems to be barricaded in her parent’s house these days, so even if it did cause publicity, it would be dignified and favorable this time, so what would be the big deal?
We shall see. Perhaps PW is just playing games with everyone, and he is planning to ask Kate to marry him during a RF game of charades at Sandringham after Christmas?
November 13th, 2008 20:43
alsgal, how do we know Kate was not at Buck? I think it was a scaled down event meant only for the royals and there was limited space but she could have been there and simply not photographed. If she was there and I doubt she was because this event seemed very “state-like ” to me,can you imagine the stir it would have caused if she had been photographed with William? We just don’t have any facts to support a theory one way or another at this point. I am going on what I know as fact and that is that Kate Middleton is Prince William’s longtime girlfriend. Just because they have not been publically photographed recently does not mean their status has changed.
November 13th, 2008 20:56
William was spotted last night (wednesday). The article is in The Sun.
November 13th, 2008 21:04
So he was out tuesday night into weds morning. It must have been a private event/home because otherwsie he would surely have been photographed.
November 13th, 2008 21:06
Yeah, I read that article from the Sun. I don’t know, it does not seem genuine. It reminds me of how Tom Cruise stops and helps people who are broke down on the side of the rode and usually it coincides w/a movie premiere. Yes, it’s very nice if true, but he’s going to have to do alot more pit stops to make up for his abuse- of-power in the Chinook incidents.
November 13th, 2008 22:20
Lisa, using that logic I guess Kate very well could have been at the BP party and may even be living with William in a house near where he is training. She might in theory also be training as a SAR pilot right alongside him, because without photographs, and without an official statement one way or another, this is all just speculation isn’t it?
Since neither Kate nor PW have stated for the record lately that they are still dating (and in fact William’s only official recognition of KM was once in Nov. 2005 at a BP reception “things are going well” and once in the Ferne Cotton post-breakup interview that it was between the two of them) we have only assumed they are still dating because we’ve seen pictures of them together and have chosen to believe some tabloid accounts of their romance.
There are other tabloid accounts that claim they had a wobble and things have cooled between them.
If she is his girlfriend, and we accept that premise, they may be doing all sorts of things together that we will never hear about.
If she is no longer his GF, we won’t hear about that either unless someone leaks info.
November 13th, 2008 22:25
Don’t you think that if some major breakup had occurred the tabloids would be all over it? I am still not convinced they even had this so called “wobble”. It try to think logically and ask myself who close enough to them would allow this private information to get to the tabloids? I am trying to believe what I see for myself. The last I saw,William and Kate attended a wedding in Austria and seemed fine. If she is absent from Highgrove,I will begin to wonder why.
November 13th, 2008 22:31
Gracie, you’re right. It does sound very Tom Cruise-ish. And only a day or so after the Freedom of Information Chinook papers were released.
Duncan Larcombe must be William’s Stuart Higgins.
And who lives in West Drayton or near there?
Also, no mention of Kate again, very strange.
November 13th, 2008 22:36
Lisa, it does seem strange and I would also think there would have been some mention of a breakup, if it has or had occurred. I know it is weird that there is no mention of her. I don’t understand that one either.
She appears to have fallen off the earth, so if there’s no mention of her at Highgrove, that would be in keeping with the idea that she has indeed, fallen off the earth.
So, in a way a news blackout would make sense, yet then we can see that they didn’t honour that when they published photos of her on her cell.
So many contradictions for each and every on/off/onff theory.
November 13th, 2008 22:42
So far every article published about the Highgrove event says both girlfriends will be at Highgrove tomorrow. If there is some sort of news blackout on Kate it is due to one of two thing,IMO. Either Miguel Head brokered some deal to get the press to back off in order to stop the flow of gossip and bad press or the Middletons may have begun legal action in response to the crap they endure recently and therefore the tabs are being on their best behavour. If there was some big breakup between Kate and William, the papers would smell blood in the water and there would be no stopping them,IMO.
November 13th, 2008 23:11
The Highgrove event will be predominately close friends, so most likely lots of 60 and older, perhaps some younger, but an older crowd. Do you think the royal girlfriends would fit into this crowd? If they are not there then the age issue may be at play, so may not be a sign of romance “wobbles” or a breakup.
November 13th, 2008 23:29
The dinner at Buckingham was incredibly high profile with every other European royalty in attendance. It can’t get any more “official”, so I don’t understand why anyone should be worried why neither of the girlfriends was there. Highgrove’s party, on the other hand, sounds more possible, even if it involves an older crowd. Still, it’s private, so we probably won’t see any pictures and thus will never know why Kate has “disappeared from the face of the earth”
As for William’s recent noble act in a West Drayton accident… kudos to him if true! Don’t know what he’d be doing in West Drayton, but here are a few thoughts (very highly speculative, of course)…
(1) He just came from Heathrow Airport, which is around the area
(2) He was driving from Bucklebury to London? Lol. It’s imaginative but possible. I think one would pass by West Drayton when driving throught the M4 Motorway from Berkshire to London.
November 13th, 2008 23:56
The event at Highgrove will be very private and maybe a picture of Charles released to the public. We may get some pictures of guest arriving as well. Kate & Chelsy going to BP’s party was a big if. If they was engaged officially to William & Harry then they would have been there. That was more like a official royal party. Highgrove is more likely where they will be. I things suddenly got serious with William & Kate and they are conducting the relationship more privately at the moment. Which make you think that something is coming. Lisa you are right, the last time we saw them at the wedding they was fine so I truly believe they are doing great.
November 14th, 2008 03:34
If William was free to drive around to save other people Tuesday night, why was he not at the “We are amused” gala?
I wish we had a little more on the speech Will and Harry held.
alsgal, Camilla didn’ attend any high profile royal event prior to the wedding. She was only guest at a reception for a charity she was patron of that was attended by Charles and Queen Rania. But she didn’t go as Charles’ date but as patron of the charity. Sophie was at the decommission of the Royal Yacht Brittannia but not at some high profile party with all European Royal Houses present. Had Kate attended todays’ papers would be all about her and William – hardly a nice b-day present for Charles.
November 14th, 2008 04:56
Well with all the tabloid rumors circulating,the one Clarance House decides to deny on it’s home page is the one about Camilla giving Charles 60 birthdays gifts. I thought that was funny
I am not putting too much into the Sun story. If William was out on the town he would have been snapped unless he was a private residence. He may have been coming into Heathrow on a late flight which would explain why he was not at “We are amused” with Harry and C/C. BTW, other then some reports that she is working at PP and one photo of her in a car, we really don’t know for sure if Kate is holed up in Buckleberry. She could be living elsewhere. We simply don’t know.
November 14th, 2008 06:26
The RF has the Sun in their back pockets, especially Duncan. So the story could have been a way to explain why PW was not at the “Amused” because no explaination was given as to why he was not there. Now he could have been doing military duties, but I thought he was free until January.
November 14th, 2008 06:36
PW was spotted tuesday eveing to wednesday (1:plus a.m.) PH was spotted in Whisky Misk at an all boys night out. So perhaps the brothers where together for the evening, then parted ways.
West Drayton area, West London, going through: east highway Heathrow Airport, west highway Windsor/Buckleberry/Berkshire.
November 14th, 2008 06:57
I think Harry was out Wednesday night after the gala and the accident happened early Wednesday morning. I also think the Mirror would have menttioned William had he been at Whiskey Mist with Harry.
November 14th, 2008 07:01
Lisa, the 60 birthday present story was originally written by Katie Nicholls (DM) – yet another story that she has got wrong!!
Regarding Will’s rescue article that supposedly happened on the Tuesday night / Weds morning. Which was the night BEFORE the We are not amused gala. The thing about this story for me is that it is another story of PW out & about without Kate. Espec. since he can’t have seen her last weekend because of royal engagements. Dagsi, the article said that he was going home from a night out in London. I assume that he must be living in Windsor in that case, though it would have been quicker to go down the M4 rather than through West Drayton. It isn’t a very obvious route. Given that he is heading West out of London in theory he could be heading to Bucklebury instead of Windsor as that is just off the M4, further west. But I very much doubt that. Who turns up at nearly 2am at your girl friends parents house??
November 14th, 2008 07:13
That’s right, H, I don’t think William was on his way to Kate. But why drive all the way from London to Windsor after a night out and not just stay in Clarence House? I thought that’s his “home” now anyways?
Harry had a “guys night out” on Wendesday night.
http://tinyurl.com/68ewwn
Btw. where is Chelsy? Is she still in the UK because she hasn’t been pictured for a months now and the paps used to regularly get pics of her on campus. I think the last time she was photographed in Leeds is actually 1 October.
November 14th, 2008 07:44
I think we’re reading too much into William’s accident rescue. Thing is, all we know is there was an accident in West Drayton at 1:15am and William was heading somewhere. He didn’t leave the car, wasn’t spotted anywhere else, didn’t give an interview… So truth is we don’t know where he’s from, where he’s going or what he did that night. When the article used terms such as “heading home”, “night out” and “in London”, I think they’re just using general terms because it was late and West Drayton is in West London. For me, it’s unusual that he’d gone for a night out in London, wasn’t spotted anywhere, and head west for “home” since I never thought of Windsor as home. It makes more sense if he was somewhere west and was heading east to Clarence house. Still, this speculation gets us nowhere and should probably be dropped
November 14th, 2008 07:50
Yes, Trixie i wondered why he wasn’t staying in clarence house as well. Though I think PH lives / is based in Windsor so maybe they have accomodation together?? Who knows.
The other thing that I thought rather odd was the number of cars (4) & protection officers (10) that PW had & the fact that he was in a Limo. When PH got caught speeding I am sure that there was only one other car with protection officers.
November 14th, 2008 07:51
Yes Dagsi, we can add it to the list of other things that we don’t know either
November 14th, 2008 07:52
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But I very much doubt that. Who turns up at nearly 2am at your girl friends parents house??
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Chelsy would, she did it at 3:00 a.m to Harry’s house.
November 14th, 2008 07:56
H, where do you take it from that William was with 4 cars and 10 people? I thought the quote referred to other people helping as well not just William.
the quote:
“The victims said that when the accident happened they were immediately surrounded by about ten people from four vehicles.”
November 14th, 2008 08:00
Forgot to add that theoretically Kate may have been in the car with William. I doubt anyone saw him there anyways. People may have been told by the security guys later that they worked for William or someone from CH “leaked” the story for some positive PR. After all we are told William didn’t leave the car or that anyone was able to see whether there was someone with him – even less so when the only witnesses were indeed the victims of the accident. And since it was dark, one wouldn’t have been able to see too much from the inside of his limo anyways…
November 14th, 2008 08:03
Trixie, you are quite right, the article doesn’t say that they were all related to PW – it was just because the article was all about PW helping that I just read it as that. What you suggest is more likely. I was thinking that it was rather over kill (bad choice of words!!) as protection for PW.
November 14th, 2008 08:06
That would be a nice thought if they were together. We are never likely to know though – we are just going to have to wait until Saturday to see whether she turns up to the Highgrove Party.
November 14th, 2008 08:10
Me, I can just imagine PW rolling up in Bucklebury at 2am and tiptoeing past Kate’s parents bedroom door, whilst his protection officers kip on the sofa downstairs
November 14th, 2008 09:00
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1085693/All-grown-Chelsy-Davy-arrives-midnight-rendezvous-Harry-sleek-black-gown.html
Woops
November 14th, 2008 09:01
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1085693/All-grown-Chelsy-Davy-arrives-midnight-rendezvous-Harry-sleek-black-gown.html
This answers the question as to where is Chelsy. She is very dressed up – she certainly hasn’t been for a night out clubbing. I wonder whether she secretly attended PC’s birthday after all – though the DM said not??
November 14th, 2008 09:18
I doubt she’d wear such a dress to go to BP. Her boobs are hanging out far too much for a dinner with HM, IMO. But so much for crashing in at your lovers place in the middle of the night
That’s another weekday btw. she spend in London. Does she not study in Leeds anymore?
November 14th, 2008 09:21
Seriously, who the heck is Will Longbottom — what a name!
Chelsy looked great — did I read this correctly that Chelsy showed up at Clarence House after the BP party? She looked beautiful as ever, and I also agree w/ H, I doubt she would dress that way to go clubbing, so it does appear that she was at the BP party or that is one heck of a coincidence.
Kate might also have been at the BP party, although I would think if she had gone back to CH to stay w/ PW we’d have gotten a picture as well? Or at least one of her coming out of the Chelsea flat, or going through the BP gates?
Unless of course she tunneled in underground with the help of MI5 because everything between W&K is now top secret in the name of national security.
Lisa, I do understand what you are saying about it being so strange that there hasn’t been a real mention of a breakup, and would like to agree on the blackout theory as that makes a lot of sense — except for the cell phone incident, which took place in the middle of this whole supposed blackout.
It’s just hard to fathom why the papers (even the Telegraph) would publish pics of her on her cell (which led to unfavorable press) and not print more positive photos of her at the Waitrose in Bucklebury with her Mum, etc.
November 14th, 2008 09:39
If the girls did go to the party then it probably was done in a sneaky way.
November 14th, 2008 09:41
I am worried. It looks like Chelsy in that dress was definitely at the BP party. What worries me is if Chelsy went and Kate didn’t there is definitely trouble in Wills and Kate land. How on earth did they manage to sneak them in. I’m sure there is more than one entrance to BP which is probably how but I am worried.
November 14th, 2008 09:42
It’s very interesting how they are so fast to put up a picture of Chelsy but nothing of Kate.
November 14th, 2008 09:45
JJ, they probably didn’t go. That was a royal party. I just wish they did go. That kind of party was pretty much not in their place. They would have to engaged offically to have gone.
November 14th, 2008 09:46
On thinking about it, I really think that Chelsy must have attended the party at Buckingham palace (or at least the drinks part of it). We have never seen Chelsy attend a black tie function other than Boodles & she didn’t wear such a formal outfit then (her own friends don’t really seem the black tie type). It is too much of a coincidence that she happened to have been invited to a different formal black tie dinner in London, which she would choose to go to minus a partner, on the same night as Prince Harry is going to PC’s birthday gala.
Maybe gossip will start to leak out – espec given the large number of people who attended.
The other question then is, if Chelsy went, did Kate go too or not???
November 14th, 2008 09:54
It’s just bizarre that there’s not even a mention of “Kate was there” or “Kate was not seen” in any of the BP party articles — why would the press agree not to print the what-if stories about PW&K but happily print news about Pippa or Kate in her car on the cell phone?
Let’s say it was true she was at Birkhall as Hello! (which was repeating the original Express article) happily reported — why then no mention of Kate at the BP party though?
November 14th, 2008 09:54
Exactly Rman
H is right it is way too much of a coiencidence that she shows up in a floor length gown on the same night of the BP dinner. That’s not really Chelsy’s style now is it?
Something is going on and I’m not sure it’s the something I have been waiting for. They may have really split.
November 14th, 2008 10:02
Sorry guys, but I think the writing on the wall. I think the press might know what’s going on but maybe have been told to hold off until PC 60th is over. Chelsy must have felt naked compared to the gowns of European princesses. I admit, I do think her gown is a bit to casual for the Buck party, it to weird that she just happen to be out that night wearing something that would be considered dressy for her. Seriously, unless Kate is in hiding cause she is pregnant and they are trying to cover it up or they are toast.
November 14th, 2008 10:04
If they did go, they probably went to the Clarence House for drinks there or something. Kate just wasn’t pictured. Or Kate was pictured but the DM has been acting funny with Kate. They probably didn’t put up her picture. Boy I can imagine what they write on royal truth.
November 14th, 2008 10:05
JJ, if there is any gossip of girlfriends attending ot not attending the articles will prob. come out tomorrow. As most newspapers don’t tend to update their website frequently like the DM.
Kate could have gone back to her flat instead of CH if she was there & wanted to be more low key. I have to say though, I really am not very positive about their relationship. Things just don’t feel right
November 14th, 2008 10:18
Yeah she could have gone back to her flat. But IF they had split, and that is a big IF because I don’t believe that for one second. Why is she hiding? I mean we have not seen her since the roller disco event. So I think thingsare fine with them but we just haven’t seen a picture of her yet. I think we will see her arriving at Highgrove or after the party.
November 14th, 2008 10:22
So far no article about the BP reception says Kate and/or Chelsy were there. The DM doesn’t either. I personally don’t think Chelsy’s outfit looks regal and elegant enough to attend a dinner with HM. The only thing elegant about it is the fact that it is black.Her cleavage is hanging out, her hair is a mess and her eye make up too heavy. She doesn’t wear any jewlery, was dropped off by a cab in front of CH etc… to me none of these things point to her attending the BP event.
Actually we DID see pics of Chelsy dressed up at events with friends, those of her in France in a long yellow gown, at the Durban races in an elegant flowery dress, at the Kensington Roof Gardens’ in a silvery grey number with silver pumps, in black top, black pants combination leaving a private party with Harry etc. This dress is no more “dressy” to me than any of the outfits mentioned.
It just makes no sense why she would arrive alone at night in front of CH and be dropped off there right in front of the paps when she was at the BP event with Harry.
November 14th, 2008 10:28
I really hope she didn’t go to BP in that dress. She wouldn’t look right along side the other guests there.
November 14th, 2008 10:31
That’s right Trixie.
November 14th, 2008 10:33
Although Chelsy looked lovely, I do think to much cleavage for a formal dinner at Bucks. Look at what the other woman were wearing. It was like a state dinner, I would have hoped she would have worn her hair up. I am disgusted though. This cat and mouse game that PW or his PR have put together to either hide a breakup or just hide KM is in bad taste. If he has ended it w/KM than just announce it, cause what they are doing now is making PW look like an absolute *** of a man! Who behaves this way, is he 10yrs old? I have no problem if things did not work out w/ them as that is life, but the way in which this is being handled is horrible and KM is not a piece of trash that they can throw away and think the public will not want to know where she has been for all this time. The only thing I can think of for this behavior, is she is pregnant and they don’t want her to be seen. I think Princess Madeleine had similiar rumors about her in the press. Of course I don’t know how they explain how all of a sudden a child appears in a family that did not have one. It would not be the first time a child was born out of wedlock to a prince/princess and kept secret. This is only my OPINION, cause nothing else make any sense!
November 14th, 2008 10:34
The BP event almost looked more like a diplomatic reception — I could have sworn I saw a picture of Karzai over on Zimbio — is Charles friendly with the Afghan leader?
Chelsy was showing a little more than I probably would have if I had been meeting the Queen, so maybe she did come from another party? Odd that it was the same night though.
November 14th, 2008 10:39
… if Chelsy was indeed at a party with friends we’ll soon get the pics from facebook. Then we’ll know for sure
gracie, William never announced he had a relationship with Kate in the first place, if you expect him to announce that he doesn’t (anymore), I fear you will be dissapointed. After all Kate herself could ring up any paper and tell them it’s over if for whatever reason she has an interest that the world would know such a thing…
November 14th, 2008 10:50
Trixie, it’s a given that she was/is his girlfriend and yes it should be announced cause the game they are playing is horrible. I guess I might be disapointed, I assumed KM was his girlfriend as she was with him on so many occasion. But I guess I should not expect RF to be held to a higher standard of dignity. They don’t break up with girlfriends or what ever Kate is, they just disappear, much like an episode of the Sopranos.
November 14th, 2008 10:52
Crown Princess Victoria could not bring her longtime boyfriend. Prince Nicolaus could not bring his longtime girlfriend. It’s just not done. So I really doubt Chelsy would be there.
November 14th, 2008 10:53
That’s a good point Trixie although he did help Jecca and Arabella avoid needless speculation by having CH release statements clarifying that he was no longer going out with them.
How about this scenario:
William did mention his SAR application to Kate, but not the extent of his potential commitment — or maybe he thought he might not be allowed to go for one reason or another. So, maybe he told Kate it was a 80/20 chance against him even going.
Or maybe she thought he should have proposed when the announcement was made, so she could at least live on the base as his wife.
Maybe she feels like he is using it as an excuse not to marry her (smart girl!) and was very disappointed.
Maybe they reconciled after a weekend of onffing each other and now Kate, though disappointed is happy to wait. And wait. Maybe William doesn’t know what to do now.
Or maybe they are announcing their engagement over Christmas or in Jan./Feb. and this has all been part of a ridiculous game to trick the press and public.
November 14th, 2008 10:53
What would it change if William publicly announced he had dropped Kate (again)? Wouldn’t that make things WORSE for her than they are now? Currently the papers seem to leave her alone, she’s not hunted by paps and can go about her life. The second a break up was announced, they’d all be camping on her door step (again)…
Kate surely knows about the state of her relationship and quite frankly she is the only one who needs to know.
November 14th, 2008 10:55
It’s probably good for William to know as well.
November 14th, 2008 10:57
November 14th, 2008 11:02
November 14th, 2008 11:18
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Crown Princess Victoria could not bring her longtime boyfriend. Prince Nicolaus could not bring his longtime girlfriend. It’s just not done. So I really doubt Chelsy would be there.
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She went for the booty call and someone leaked to the paparazzi that Chelsy was in the front gates of Clarence House. She’s always pictured there, but no other personalities ?
Maybe the longterm boyfriends/girlfriends of the European single Royals did travel and where at the hotel doing other more fun non stiff stuff.
November 14th, 2008 11:20
If they were meeting up together back in their hotel rooms, I’m sure there was plenty of stiff stuff involved.
November 14th, 2008 11:22
OMG, alsgal. I am scandalised!
Me, where do you have that quote from?
November 14th, 2008 11:38
Alsgal
You are the best!! You definitely missed your calling as a comedian!!! The PW KM CD PH saga is similar to cluedo. It’s ridiculous. I wish they would stop this nonsense. But it is similar as we have mentioned to earlier on this year when Kate appeared to fall of the face of the earth. We didn’t see anything of her from the hunt in December until the Ski trip in March if my memory serves me correctly. We didn’t see any new years pictures or anything.. So who knows. I’m exhausted and fed up with these two and their games.
November 14th, 2008 11:54
Trixie, I was quoting dagsy.
Alsgal may be hired for Prince Charles 70th
November 14th, 2008 11:56
JJ, KM did appear once in a while remaining very low profile in her, brothers, mothers birthday celebrations between Jan and March 2008. There are photos of 2 days before 31st of Dec. 2007 arriving with the entire Middleton family from their Christmas holiday in Barbados.
November 14th, 2008 11:59
Thanks Me, it’s right Kate was pictured quite a lot in January in London with her family though we didn’t get any picture of her and William between Decemebr and March.
JJ,how is it playing games when Will and Kate do not parade around in front of the paps in London especially when any such outing always causes a string of negative articles in the papers?
November 14th, 2008 12:02
Well we are a crazy world (people) when they or she appear apparently “too” much, everyone moans. Nothing about her, everyone including her ditractors miss her dearly, strangely or whatever much.
November 14th, 2008 12:03
Miss her desperately, clingly, totally attached, checking out with more frecuency the royal blogs/sites.
Waity watchers, doormats.
November 14th, 2008 12:05
Talking about doormats, since Chelsy was or still is in London, came running all the way from Leeds to be dropped off Clarence House gates, does that make her a doormat, desperate, clingy and at Harry’s beck and call ?
I don’t see the hoopla on her. Anyway, whatever it is, I’d defend her and say, she has no classes on Friday and will spend the weekend in Highgrove.
November 14th, 2008 12:06
I wonder why Eugenie was not there.
November 14th, 2008 12:08
Maybe Eugenie and Andrew are not back from their Asian tour yet? I haven’t seen a pic of Andrew either.
Was Zara there? I only saw a picture of Beatrice arriving but she was alone.
November 14th, 2008 12:09
She probably was sick after so much clubbing and then travelling with her daddy.
November 14th, 2008 12:11
Trixie, you do make good points and I hope that I did not come across as rude.
I can’t imagine Chelsy wearing that dress, no matter how lovely she looked, to the Bucks party. In the presence of some of the middle eastern royals the dress would be offensive as part of their religious beliefs.
November 14th, 2008 12:12
Ok Trixie you have a point. But you have to admit that it seems that something is up. For Kate not to go out at all? No pictures at all not even going to the grocery store?? I mean there has to be a reason for that. I’m just desperate to see some pictures of her & to know that all is well.
November 14th, 2008 12:14
Trixie, I did see pictures of Prince Andrew, it was on IF.
November 14th, 2008 12:15
If Chelsy really was at the Buckingham Palace party in that dress I am sure someone firmly drapped that scarf around her to cover her chest…
It is odd, jj but then we never got pics of Kate at home regularly – only when she’s in London which she wasn’t for 2 months. That may be considered odd or unusual for her but given the reaction she got whenever she was seen out and about lately I can very well understand it.
November 14th, 2008 12:15
I understand Gracie your point we just very rarely see Chelsea in London in anything below the knee.
November 14th, 2008 12:15
Don’t think any paps will hide again behind the bush in some countryside road to take her picture.
Those pictures (driving in countryside road while talking celphone) are at the moment since a few or more weeks ago forbidden, caput, gone !
Trixie, there’s a photo of Bea arriving with daddy.
November 14th, 2008 12:17
jj, I agree something is up. IF they have broken up I would hope to atleast see Kate somewhere, but nothing.
Ked, where are you?
November 14th, 2008 12:17
Ok fair enough. I guess the game of cluedo (as in someone please clue me in as to what’s going on) continues. We wait for tomorrow night and Sunday morning. I hope there will be photographers stationed at Highgrove.I WANT PICTURES!
November 14th, 2008 12:18
Her bbb blue dress was fine, her P&A black number was also very nice, demure. This time nope ! Looks cheap, last minute, saggy boobs popping out, her hair needed some brushing.
Other than the poor girl almost tripped on her dress.
November 14th, 2008 12:18
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November 14th, 2008 12:19
November 14th, 2008 12:20
Guys I think we will hear about Kate tomorrow at Highgrove. That party will be more private with the girlfriends there. Kate & Chelsy did not go to BP’s party. Can’t wait to hear about them tomorrow.
November 14th, 2008 12:24
There’s bound to lots of paps for tomorrows event.
November 14th, 2008 12:25
I was looking at the DM about the Chelsy article and it says “reader comments are unavailable.” I have never seen them not allow reader comments even if they don’t post half of the ones anyway. I’m starting to think maybe Chelsy and Harry might be engaged. I definately think Harry will marry befor PW. I have never seen anyone just get dropped off at the front gates at Clarence, other than Chelsy. Her dress had a train, that she was holding up. So that is pretty formal for a cocktail party. I wish she would have worn her hair up, to make it look more formal. If Kate had worn that dress she would have been cruxcified!
November 14th, 2008 12:27
“Official photographers” – remember Camilla’s birthday – gran entrance 1 mile driveway.
Official photographers.
Paparazzi scouting in the highway 1 mile before private entrance – very difficult task indeed.
November 14th, 2008 12:34
Andrew arrived with Beatrice. He and Eugenie have not gone on their tour yet, because that was the official reason for them being absent from the Highgrove party. Maybe she was getting ready for that.
November 14th, 2008 12:35
Me, so right. Chelsy has a fantastic figure, but the material looks to be cotton/jersey and too casual for something like this. I really hope she did not wear that to Bucks in front of European royalty and all those jewels. I would think to attend her outfit would have to be approved by someone in CH or BP. Does anyone help these girls for these types of occasions? Kate looked lovely at Boodles and in good taste. I wish she was there.
November 14th, 2008 12:36
We need photos of Kate!! Wouldn’t it be sad if they sneak her into Highgrove? For all we know she is probably already there! And where is Ked? Don’t you find it strange how he disappears?
November 14th, 2008 12:39
Ked said he was travelling, and will get to us as soon as possible.
November 14th, 2008 12:41
The girls will probably go to Highgrove for the weekend. I think that’s how Kate was not seen last year for Camilla’s birthday. But they need to let her be seen a bit so the confusion will die down.
November 14th, 2008 12:42
Gracie
You are right there. Kate would have been done for if she had worn that dress but hopefully the girl knows better. This is standard for Chelsy in fact it is very formal for Chelsy so she slides!
Also I don’t know if it is worth mentioning but I find it interesting that a couple of weeks back if I remember Chelsy just popped into CH for “tea” as the DM reported it with her mother. I don’t think any of the middletons other than Kate have ever been anywhere near CH. Just a thought.
And yes Trixie you are right. These paps had better do their job tonight and tomorrow! This is the time they really need to be out in force. I need it if only for my peace of mind
November 14th, 2008 12:52
Hello,
I’ve been working in Austria and on way back had a stop over at Frankfurt and picked up a German Magazine , Bunte or Brunte, I think.
The was a article and photographs of PW and KM describing her a PW’s in house ‘geliebte’ without any long term prospect of marriage as she was ‘unerwunscht’ to his forefathers.
‘Geliebte’ is literally translated as ‘lover’ or ‘mistress’ and ‘unerwunscht’ as unwanted but I think the article meant that she was his long term companion but who was seen to be unsuitable as a wife by some royal relatives.
However I do believe that despite opinions from those seniors the last thing PW, BR/CH want is KM around for years as a loose cannon as she probably knows more about PW that any other person alive.
Consider yourselves and the amount you glean about your long term partners over the years and how much of that you really want to be known outside your relationship.
PW has never really acknowledged KM , in words that is, as anything more than a friend and CH have said she and PW are good friends of long standing but that PW has lots of good friends.
He doesn’t therefore have to say anything about a breakup and it’s doubtful that KM or her family will say anything so they will remain friends with no commitment or acknowledgement from PW .
They will be seen at some venues together , possibly with other friends accompanying them, and we will never know the difference. KM will be in the ‘pack’ and we’ll not know if she’s there to shut her up or because she is PW’s special
geliebte.
I have said before that most of us ‘posters’ will be long gone before any special or permanent news come out and I repeat that KM did not know of PW’s S and R plans until told the day before the announcement and who would blame her if she did throw things about.
November 14th, 2008 12:59
Sorry for seconds,
You may remember reading that certain plans and arrangements were being looked at by CH well ,I understand that was true and certain matters had even reached the stage of being drafted on at least two occasions over the past year and certain Editors had been put on stand by.
For some reason nothing happened and how many times have we heard that.
November 14th, 2008 13:04
I just want to know, why do people try to treat thing girl so wrong? Ked that German Magazine sound silly. William is more private so he does not say anything about Kate. Harry hasn’t said much about Chelsy but they get it out there that Kate & Chelsy are their girlfriends by going on expensive vacations with them, letting them accompany them to family events etc. They like the privacy that’s all. I don’t think people give William & Harry much credit because after what their parents went through, these boys has managed to have longterm relationships while at the same time, doing royal duties and living a non normal life.
November 14th, 2008 13:09
Hi Ked….
What do you think of the theory that PW decided to do S&R so that he and kate can try to revisit their private years that they had during their time at University?
That could also account for the pause on the CH plans that you mention…perhaps they got close to announcing an engagement, but then realized they’d lose their privacy, so PW went this route to protect that privacy instead?
Just playing devil’s advocate
November 14th, 2008 13:12
Ked, nice to hear from you. That’s really sad if Kate would except the terms you describe as it seems anyone w/any woman w/any ounce of self-respect would not go along w/this. Alsgal, brought up a good point while you were gone and I too have wondered if she was his” beard.” That’s the only reason I can see why she would go along w/this charade. I see that IC has been pictured w/Sam at Tods event recently, so who is going to be PW lucky lady now?
November 14th, 2008 13:18
I am so tired of hearing that KM is not suitable for PW. As I have stated before I think she acts more regal than most of the Royals. Just because she doesn’t have a title – who cares, she knows how to handle herself in public and I think she has a very regal air about her – and that mysteriousness about her that keep people interested in her. Just my opinion.
November 14th, 2008 13:20
But Ked, you have just kind of contradicted yourself if I am reading your 2 posts correctly. In the first you say that their relationship is casual & has never been acknowledged and then in the 2nd post you say that twice they have been very close to announcing an engagement.
I really do not believe that she would have been invited to PW’s Garter ceremony & stood with other members of the Royal Family if she was not acknowledged or accepted. Now it is very possible that PW has got cold feet & “done a runner” but that is a very different thing. In that scenario I really can’t believe that there wouldn’t be some kind of leak – firstly because as can be seen by the Hello spread, Kate still sells newspapers and secondly, if she has been jilted again then one of her friends (or Kate herself) will want to put her view across. This is just human nature.
Anyway, we will just have to be patient and see – firstly at Highgrove on Saturday and then IF Kate really has been ditched again then she will surface, as there would be no reason to stay hidden & she would need to find herself a new man!!
November 14th, 2008 13:27
Yes it is great to hear from you Ked. But you know I think the problem is people and even som e of the media thinks William is the ruler in the relationship. They think once he waves his wand then she will do and agree to everything. I don’t think that’s how it is and that’s why they make her look bad at all times. Like she’s a puppy. There’s two people in that relationship and they both have to come to an agreement on how the relationship will go forward. That is how all relationships work. I think he would be very bored out of his mind if he was the only person doing all the thinking. Things had to change and that’s why they got back together last year and boy did things change. The results of the change showed this year and it was crazy for us. So I do hope we hear about her tomorrow so this confusion can die down and we will have some light back on the situation.
November 14th, 2008 13:28
While Bunte is a pretty reliable paper in the same category as Hello they take their royal stories from the British press and many British papers have written about BP courtiers rejecting Kate as William’s bride (mind you the COURTIERS not the Royals let alone William himself).
Why would Kate agree to pose as a “beard” for William and take all the negative stuff that comes with it especially the damage to her reputation?
It doesn’t make a lot of sense, IMO to have one person pose as a “beard” for 5 years. William has enough female friends to confuse the press if he wanted to keep them off the track of his “real” g/f. He could occasionally have shown up with a varying number of women etc. to confuse everyone. Putting one special woman in the limelight wouldn’t be a very clever way to go about it. And which “real” g/f would agree to another woman “posing” as her man’s woman? And if you mean “beard” as cover up for a homosexual relationship the right cover up would have been a wedding with Kate…
November 14th, 2008 13:34
I don’t see why the RF would allow her to attend the Garter and Wings if she was just a friend as it has fueled speculation of the seriousness of the relationship. That being said, maybe the RF/CH did this intentionally as they know that PW being linked w/ any woman is better than not being linked w/a woman at all? If he and Kate have been nothing more than friends all this time, then I suggest his PR better find him a girlfriend and get him married off so the Kate speculation can be done. Why has she not been seen?
November 14th, 2008 13:36
Nothing make sense!
November 14th, 2008 13:38
Kd and H you guys are right. William has made it loud and clear without words that Kate is his woman and he’s not inlove with a titled woman. He is in love with the girl he met in college. He lived with her, he knows what she’s about. He’s close to her family and she has a stable background. That’s is what I like about The Middletons, they really support her and I believe they will do that still even when she’s away with the royals at Sandringham, Windsor, Buckingham Palace or wherever, they will be there for her and I think that is what William likes.
November 14th, 2008 13:40
Ked and kd?
I’m just not sure why everyone went into secrecy mode all of a sudden after 5 years of damn near wedded bliss between them. A few pics of her spread-eagled whilst raising money for innocent children and she’s persona non-grata? Were the yellow shorts really so bad?
Why has she disappeared though? To avoid bad press? C’mon everybody, do you think being seen at the BP party with all those royals would be bad pr? Wouldn’t that be one one the first things Mr. Head would have suggested to show Kate’s being groomed as PW’s wife — that she’s in the firm? We haven’t even seen her wholesomely shopping for organic produce with her Mum — really, would be bad pr for Kate?
I find it hard to believe the paps haven’t taken a single picture of her. Maybe she’s in Afghanistan.
btw ty jj and me, I would be delighted to perform for Charles’ 70th but unfortunately my musical ability is now limited to “Ode to Joy” (first verse only) on the Spanish accordian as that dreadful fishing accident last May prevents me from playing the flute anymore.
November 14th, 2008 13:46
Right Gracie, there is no way Kate would have gone to that ceremony if things weren’t serious. You can tell that these two are in love and like I said before don’t forget that she didn’t waste anytime to be with him after his stint on HMS Duke. They was back together before you could say 123.
November 14th, 2008 13:51
Alsgal, you are too much. The only ones we have seen is her sister and brother. I just hope we get a chance to see her soon.
November 14th, 2008 13:53
I’m a little devastated to say the least (although Ked you do sound remarkably like John from RA you are not him posting in disguise are you???).
Alsgal you are right it doesn’t make sense that she has gone to ground with not a peep from the press. So one of two things could be the reason for that. The press have been incahoots with Migel Head that an “announcement” which could fall under break up will be announced after Charles birthday & they will get key info if they shut up now. Or they have broken up and she will emerge back onto the scene next week.
Alsgal makes a good point in that if Kate were being groomed to be a bride she should have been there yesterday although if other weren’t allowed to bring their boyfriends….. I’m still very suspicious about Chelsy and her floor length dress. Ahhh this is driving me nuts..
November 14th, 2008 13:55
I agree Rman that the events which she attended this year were very important but it’s all very confusing right now. I don’t think that the shorts were that bad to be honest at all.Chelsy has been pictured in a far worse state. Something just doesn’t feel right here.
November 14th, 2008 13:59
What I don’t get is if they had really broken up why should Kate have gone into hiding over it? She didn’t last time and quite honestly she doesn’t seem the type to do so. And if her and Wills were at odds she couldn’t care less about his new PR campaign or Charles getting the attention on his b/day. I think if William had dumbed her she would have done everything to take away the spotlight from him abd Charles especially if Charles had indeed advised William over joining the RAF.
so I see the lack of news as a positive sign.
November 14th, 2008 14:00
I think there will be a big announcement soon and they are just waiting until PC birthday is over. Could you imagine if they would have announced an engagement before PC bday???? No one would have paid any attention to PC at all. And we have no idea if KM was at the BP party now do we?
November 14th, 2008 14:01
Good for Chelsy. So now we have a photo of Chelsy, dressed in black formal gown, arriving at the Palace, interesting. I think she looks wonderful. Memories of youthful Diana’s first black gown outing come to mind.
No photos of Kate. I honestly think Pr. William and Kate are not together in a serious way anymore or the girls would have probably been seen walking together as when they attended the same event in the past.
November 14th, 2008 14:05
Chelsy entered Clarence House, not Buckingham Palace and she arrived in the middle of the night alone – undoubtedly to spend the night with Harry. The picture (unfortunately) does not say where she had been – wearing that dress. She was not mentioned anywhere as guest at the BP reception that was just an assumption made because of her outfit.
November 14th, 2008 14:07
jj,alsgal, I am glad I am not the only one who is skeptical. Alsgal, as always, makes a fantastic point as to why she is in hiding. Why let her attend the Garter in public view and then not allow her to go to Bucks? The Sun even reported that she would be there. After seeing full length photos of what other royals wore, there is no way Chelsy could have worn that dress to the Bucks party. So either she was sent to CH for not dressing accordingly or their was a private cocktail party somewhere. I think the DM is trying once again to start something.
November 14th, 2008 14:13
gracie, I guess if Chelsy had been thrown out of the BP party we’d have heard about it. Similarly we probably would have heard if there had been another event apart from the official reception. Maybe we’ll get more on this soon who knows.
November 14th, 2008 14:19
jj,
That is just the worst possible thing you or anyone could say to me. I hope it was in jest.
I shall now go into sulk hiding and ban myself from posting for sevral hours.
Not too worry though, I’ve just sorted the mail and I have tickets again for saturday night.
Vote for Austin or Jody.
November 14th, 2008 14:23
Gracie, I think something will come out after Charles celebrations. They couldn’t do anything because right now the focus is on Charles. If she would have went to BP’s party, the talk would have been about her. So no the girls did not go. Tomorrow is not getting here fast enough, lol. I think after the birthday party something like a announcement will come out.
November 14th, 2008 14:25
Ked, I think JJ was joking. Don’t want to be like John.
November 14th, 2008 14:27
Aren’t the Royal invites sent out several months in advance?
It could be that Kate received hers and then she and William had their wobble, and that CH hopes she knows not to show up, as I don’t believe they disinvite people as it is an awkward thing to do?
This could also be waaay simpler than anything else: that PW isn’t ready for Royal duties OR marriage and wants to delay all of it for as long as he can, but they are still together.
He could very well be onffing Kate still out of habit and convenience, and just doesn’t know if he wants to marry her one day — he wouldn’t be the first bloke to feel ambivalent.
As for laying low, it could be out of heartbreak as her Sexy Me tactics worked to get him back but have thus far failed to yield a ring, which I think many of us believe is her goal. She may be out of tricks and depressed about it.
I’d buy the laying low bit but seriously, don’t you think PC and PW have enough clout that if PW was nearly engaged, they would invite her to the Palace. Maybe they did, though.
Since Ingrid S. and Hello have said Kate will be at Highgrove, I am thinking she will be there for they may still be friendly and the simple
explanation to all of these bizarre contradictions may be that neither of them know where this is headed.
btw if DL at the Sun is printing a plant that PW helped out the car crash people, why was he able to go to a night out in London but not the comedy event? Where was he?
November 14th, 2008 14:31
Ked
Yes I was joking! Poor attempt at humor sorry!
November 14th, 2008 14:36
Is it possible Chelsy wore a bolero style jacket over her dress to BP, and that she might have discarded on the way over to see Harry?
I’m just guessing, as I’d be surprised that she wore something so low cut. (But again, she did look terrific imo.)
It’s just pretty strange to see a normally casual Chelsy dressed up AND in London on this particular night.
November 14th, 2008 14:39
Chelsy looks great. Glad to see her in formal dress at the Palace, I consider Clarance House a Palace, which is why I said Palace.
Chelsy was spotted on the night of the Party and Kate is missing in action.
I think Kate and William are no longer a serious couple.
Good for Chelsy.
Kate may no longer be a Girlfriend anymore.
Maybe we’ll hear more.
November 14th, 2008 14:40
Rman,
Out of self imposed excile for one minute.
It is not PW who waves the wand. At this stage and this level he has the same amount of say as PC did when told to find a bride and produce some heirs, then asked Camilla to find the vehicle.
Rman, please understand the RF is not our type of family and at present it’s almost father against son and the prize The Crown. Don’t discount public opinion on ths despite PC’c popularity at the tim of his 60th birthday. The public are fickle.
Remember CPB’s supposed statement that PW and/or PH should not marry until into their 30’s.
Don’t discount anyone or anything. The stakes are high and it just may be the monarchy itself that is at stake so there is no room for error.
PW sowed the seed of doubt over a year ago and ‘they’ will never lt him forget it. He may pay for that immaturity for the rest of his life.
November 14th, 2008 14:43
jj,
I was only joking anyway..
Nice to hear from you though
November 14th, 2008 14:47
Right Alsgal. Maybe is was with Kate the other day and just decided not to go. I think Kate wants to be happy and I think girl deserves to have a ring on that finger, even if they won’t get married right away. I just don’t believe he will leave her high and dry while he’s away training. He must got something up his sleeve and we just don’t know about it.
November 14th, 2008 14:54
L,
Sorry I have just been catching up and read your post.
That is a distinct possibility and I have said that one explanation for PW hurried and unexpected announcement was his annoyance at not being allowed to live his life as he wants and with whom he wants .
L, dont apologise for playing DA. I do it enough myself frequently.
It adds to the fun we all enjoy on here. I hope
November 14th, 2008 14:57
Ked, knowing how Charles back in those day, I doubt that he would allow his sons to go through that. The Queen and royal family has learned alot since all of that happened. That’s why Charles’s marriage is working today, not just because Camilla is his longtime love but he knows what he’s doing this time around. At first he didn’t have a clue. He’s happy today because he knows that family matter and you have to take care of your wife. It’s the experience that taught him what he needed to know.
November 14th, 2008 15:02
I don’t think he would have built her up just to rip her back down but if he did, then some other man will take her and treat her the way she deserves to be treated. Hell it might be me, lol.
November 14th, 2008 15:07
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/14/entertainment/main4604083.shtml
So will the Royal girls be there? We’re talking of course about Kate Middleton and Chelsy Davy. Both have been invited and both have presents for the Prince.
William and Kate are as strong as ever after a bit of a wobble (she seemed to upset her man after been pictured at a roller disco in hot pants and top), while Chelsy Davy is the leader in the relationship with flame-haired Harry.
Of Chelsy, a source tells me, “She knows that she wants her own life, too. She is not overtly that impressed or shall we say concerned about all that Royal procedure stuff, and treats Harry so much than just a boyfriend. They are best friends, too … which makes him so happy.”
Of course, all eyes will be on what the girls are wearing, and make no mistake: there is a glint of green in each girl’s eyes as they wait to see who steals all the front tabloid pages and magazine covers. A source added, “It’s like a scene out of ‘Desperate Housewives’ … they know they both have to scrub up well.”
A friend of Chelsy leaking…
November 14th, 2008 15:09
Yeah I just read that, and it really gets you excited and it puts a smile on my face. In the words of JJ, Bring it on.
November 14th, 2008 15:13
Rman some comments are appearing in the Chelsy DM article, posters are missing “gorgeous Kate”.
The weard thing is that there where 19 comments about 4 hours ago, and now 13. When previously 8 of them comments where asking for Kate (in a nice way)
November 14th, 2008 15:19
Really? Well I just want to mention that Neil Sean did mention Diana and he said something that I have been trying to say all along, on how Charles feel about Diana. I’m sure he often think about her even on his birthday. I’m sure is just smiling don on him and proud of him like we all are. He’s done some pretty amazing things. It’s good to hear that about Kate. She is missed by the public.
November 14th, 2008 15:34
I hope if it is over for William and Kate it is revealed after these parties.
Kate hasn’t been spotted with William for weeks.
Even the hunting stories, no photos and were questionable.
November 14th, 2008 15:40
The DM does censor comments, but I find it curious that they would remove comments not critical of KM. Perhaps there really is a press “blackout”, but why? Legal action by the Middletons? Or perhaps, they are “blackballing” the Middletons. I noticed that the last Pippa story has not made it into the mainstream tabs anywhere, even though she is apparently on the cover of Hello! You would think that would have warranted a snarky article from someone.
November 14th, 2008 15:49
Rman, that makes me sad to think about Diana not being there. It is strange to think about the passage of time and how things do change, for surely when Diana was a young bride she dreamed of growing old with Prince Charles by her side.
‘Twas not to be, though.
We can only hope that William and Kate will one day, either now or sometime before 2037, be able to reach the best decision for their future together (hopefully a mutual one) and if they remain with each other it is for the right reasons for both of them.
It will be hard for William especially to ever know how much his status factors into a girl’s love for him, just as Kate will never be able to know if a man loves her for her or merely for her stunning good looks and enviable figure.
November 14th, 2008 16:02
There is a bit of a difference alsgal between being loved for being a Prince and being loved for being attractive. William is always going to be a Prince and social climbing women will always want him for their own. Kate on other hand is pretty but nothing amazing. The word “stunning” is often used too loosely to describe people. I think a truely beautiful woman is Jessica Alba (same age as Kate’s hence why I chose her). Kate is pretty but I wouldn’t say she has to worry when falling in love with someone, not like William does.
November 14th, 2008 16:14
Well, I suppose Kate could snag Arabella’s ex.
November 14th, 2008 16:20
Yes, B that is true but you know they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder and those of us who are rabid Kate fans think she is the bestest around, a beauty of almost epic proportions, the kind of beauty that could launch a thousand ships type o’ thing. While I’m aware many find Jessica Alba attractive I just don’t see it. But that’s just me, and I am legally blind and have not been able to drive a vehicle (legally) since 1993.
(Hence, the nasty fishing accident I referred to earlier. My dears, all I can tell you is, trout ain’t worth it.)
On the off chance Kate is not at Highgrove tomorrow night (and my tea leaves tell me she will be) I think we shouldn’t read too much into things. It could be simply a cooling off, and that Kate is repositioning herself to renew William’s love, or it could be she is absent because my theory that Kate is in Darfur with George Clooney turns out to be the correct one.
We shall see.
November 14th, 2008 16:25
Yes we shall see.
November 14th, 2008 16:43
B, I think Alba is pretty too, just not when she got to thin there for awhile. I don’t know Kate, so sometimes someones personality can make them not attractive even if they are. Does that make sense? I do think Kate has an girl-next-store quality and perhaps that is what attracts PW to her as well as other things too. There have been some photos of Kate where I thought she looked beautiful and others where she looks older than what she is. She has a welcoming smile, but like I said I don’t know her. There are others who are more beautiful, but I don’t think PW could handle a women that’s intimidating to him. Who that will be is anyone guess. Lady Tatiana Mountbatten is striking.
November 14th, 2008 16:45
I apologize if this has already been posted, but Richard Kay in the DM is reporting that Arabella Musgrave has parted from her long-term boyfriend.
November 14th, 2008 16:49
Well, maybe not. Found the above articel via a link though another blog, but can’t find it on the DM website. Read with caution I guess.
November 14th, 2008 16:53
Tatler had reported that as well along with the fact that Arabella was thrown out of Whiskey Mist twice this year.
November 14th, 2008 17:00
Thrown out twice hey…. Hmmm I hope she doesn’t have a drinking problem. Yes beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. I think Kate is the bees knees personally! Charles thinks Camillia is the bees knees so go figure. She is my opinion is no oil painting.. Different strokes for different folks!
November 14th, 2008 17:00
I do wish they would have full length photos of the gowns and jewels the ladies wore. I noticed Prince Frederick wore a blue suit. I also saw on Rex that Princess Maxima and Prince Wilhem through a hissy fit over photog taking their pictures, but the photogs had no idea who they were. She had on a red dress that looked pretty. They also have photos of the brunch that was given by Anson.
November 14th, 2008 17:18
Right on, JJ! Bee’s knee’s indeed!
Who was the reporter who said AM had been thrown out of WM? I remember hearing that too, just can’t remember where.
I’ve heard that Kate only drinks milk at the clubs, although I might have heard a report or two claiming otherwise. I prefer a molotov cocktail myself, but at least she is getting her daily calicum intake.
November 14th, 2008 17:30
My thoughts…I read the Neil Sean piece and given his poor track record it does not excite me. It seems awfully coincidental that Chelsy was dressed last night in a black evening gown even though the choice was in bad taste for the event,IMO. It is possible that the girls did attend the party but were not photographed, Many of the guests were not photographed. As for Kate’s absence, I am really not sure what is going on. I have a few theories but of course they are just theories. As I have said all along,I am trying to go by the fact and from what I know as fact,Kate and William are a couple and a serious one at that.
November 14th, 2008 17:38
hahahah
Milk at nightclubs! You can just see some poor minion running to the nearest Tesco’s like his life depended on it to get milk for Kate. But that’s a smart girl. She would be chastised for falling out of the club looking remotely refreshed as her beau so often is!
My tipple is a lemon drop martini!! Love them!!
November 14th, 2008 18:07
Hello,
It seems that everyone’s life almost depends upon KM being at the party tomorrow evening.
I don’t know if she will be there but do feel that until an announcement is made one way or another it would not be in her interest to venture out at this time at such a high powered event.
By fair means or foul KM has managed to stay out of the news apart from the speculative bits about where she spends her time these days.
To appear at PC’s party, with or without PW who , it has been said may not attend ,would renew the speculation of will they , won’t they and the paps will ,yet again be out in force.
I am sure that she knows this and may well make her humble apologies (if she’s received an invitation) and continue to sit it out until PW leaves to start his training at end december early january.
She would then be able to start up her social life gain , speculation would naturally have evaporated a little and she can pick up the pieces and develop her life while waiting the long months until PW makes their life changing decision.
Any appearance at such an event will negate any help the past 9/10 weeks may have done for her privacy and the pressures would start again.
November 14th, 2008 18:14
ked, in the simplest of term, yes or not, do you feel William and Kate are still a couple? Yes or no?
November 14th, 2008 18:20
Ked
I hear you but seriously that’s not a relationship if you can’t celeberate the important milestones together and that of your family. They can’t hide for ever. Most individuals have an expectation that she will be there tomorrow if she is not then real speculation will be rife. I think more of a fuss would have been made if she was pictured entering buckingham palace last night or had gone to the Bond premiere. This is a private party and many eyebrows will be raised if she is not there. Especially given Chelsy’s appearance in a floor length if not scanty drew.. i.e. I think she went but don’t know if Kate went too.
November 14th, 2008 18:33
lisa,
In their hearts , yes but I from what I have seen and heard both here and outside I do believe that there has been a considerable amount of pressure on both.
From reports, PW has spoken to the HM ,PC and
possibly to other member of the RF but what was said is unknown.
KM and her family have been pressurised in a different and cruel manner but consistent with similar pressures that in the past been exerted upon others in similar circumstances.
PW’s body language and facial expressions at present are not giving off the impression of a happy man. The reasons, well ………
November 14th, 2008 18:36
That was not a simple yes or not,ked,lol…
November 14th, 2008 18:44
I for one would just like to see here, even if she don’t go to the party tomorrow. A sighting of her and William will help put some things to rest so we can try to move beyond the talk of is they still on or not. I mean we always seem to do this when there aren’t seen in awhile. Ked I really laughed when you said that we are acting like our life depends on this. Lol, well what can you say we like seeing Kate and when this girl get serious, she gets serious. I mean we have not seen her at all.
November 14th, 2008 18:51
Call me crazy but the last time Kate was seen in public was at the wedding in Austria and she had a protection officer with her. Then she falls off the face of the earth. This is following a year in which she attended several high profile events and vacationed with William multiple time seeming very happy. IMO, one of the plausible explanations is that she is behind palace walls being prepared for an announcement that is coming soon. That theory is as likely as any other,IMO. We’ll see. Still maintaining that half full cup here!
November 14th, 2008 18:56
Well I agree with you Ked, they have a lot of pressure on them. We are always talking about a engagement but they may have decided to continue their obviously loving relationship but not take it to that step yet. Trouble is you always get the headlines that he don’t love her that much or he wants to see other people. And those headlines are so far from the truth. Or they just may get engaged but don’t formaly announce it until they are ready to do so. I think that is fine, but people have the impression that he is bailing out on her by going into the RAF and I don’t think he would do that to her. Not after they have come this far and have been through so much.
November 14th, 2008 18:59
Ked, so what are you saying that PW wants to be w/KM, but he is being forced to end it w/her? What the heck does PW have to be unhappy about? Looks like he gets whatever he wants and never pays the consequences for it. He should be smiling from ear to ear!
November 14th, 2008 19:02
One more point to make regarding my announcement theory. Parliament is seated from 11/17 to 12/18. They would have to announce during that time if they plan to announce before William starts his training in Jan…just a thought
November 14th, 2008 19:03
I think he looks pretty happy but that’s my opinion.
November 14th, 2008 19:04
Oh, thanks for letting us know that Lisa.
November 14th, 2008 19:10
Lisa,
Good thinking, thanks for the Parliment dates.
We shall see what PW very soon!
November 14th, 2008 20:13
I’m going to add my thoughts to the rest, but I have the dreadful feeling I’m going to upset some people with what I have to say. I was banned from RA for speaking my mind, I only hope Steven doesn’t feel the need to ban me from here as well.
I think this speculation over Chelsy being at BP last night is just a tempest in a teapot. Of course Chelsy and Kate were not at BP last night! Why in the world would anyone think they were? That party was formal, attended by 400 royals and VIP guests. It was NOT a party for girlfriends (Kate and Chelsy) and boyfriends (Princess Victoria’s boyfriend Daniel) to attend. Only an official fiancee or an acknowledged live-in partner could’ve attended that type of soiree’. It was formal, although not white-tie, and attended by many royals and heads of state. Many reputable newspapers said that Chelsy and Kate would not be there. Chelsy was photographed at 3am outside of Clarence House in a lovely dress that was just longer tea-length, and that isn’t long enough to be suitable for a formal dinner at which the queen was present.
Chelsy’s chest was also too uncovered to have been in the presence of the queen. In addition to that, if either Kate or Chelsy had been present at a formal party held in Buckingham Palace, there would’ve been absolutely NO WAY some footman or palace underling wouldn’t have sold that story to a newspaper.
At least 10 newspapers said that Kate and Chelsy wouldn’t be there. If they had been there after that, it would’ve been a huge story that someone would’ve felt compelled to tell.
I think the bottom line is that Chelsy was looking exceptionally pretty, and she wanted her boy to see her looking so beautiful and dressed to impress. As for Kate and Wills, I think they’re fine. All of the speculation that Wills has broken it off with Kate has no basis in concrete fact. What is fact is that we haven’t seen Kate. That’s a good thing for Kate, not a bad one. Keeping out of the spotlight has allowed Kate’s reputation to undergo a sort of public ‘repair’. There have been some nasty attacks against Kate, the whole ‘pregnancy scare’ being one of the most intrusive, obnoxious topics that was ever mentioned in an article; but it still didn’t amount to anything. The general public that made comments made favourable comments on the whole. Kate’s keeping her head down and out of sight, there is no way for fault to be found with her while she’s doing that. More importantly, if Kate was NOT still in a relationship with Wills, there would be no need for being quiet, there would be no need to be low key, there would be no need to prove she is working, there would be no need for any of that. All of those things are only necessary if William and Kate are dating.
A single woman and private citizen who isn’t dating a prince doesn’t have anything to prove to the public, and wouldn’t have to worry about her public image or her public reputation. I think Miguel Head has taken control of the situation, and Kate is in the midst of her ‘image repair’. I think this will continue in some form or fashion until Wills completes his 18 months of training.
Also, with the media and people being so uncertain of Wills and Kate even being together, it’s completely removed the ‘are they or aren’t they’ engagement pressure! They are able to see each other without having to endure the constant engagement speculation anymore. In most respects, it’s a good situation for their relationship, not a bad one.
November 14th, 2008 20:22
Great post ML, I guess RA has lost another valuable poster.
November 14th, 2008 20:30
I agree that Miguel Head had taken charge. If you think about it, it was just at the point that he came on board that everything went quiet.
I think that it is telling that the newspapers are still writing that they are still a couple. CBS news said that their relationship was as strong as ever even though they had a wobble. If they weren’t totally sure of that they would not have reported it. I think that a few papers are telling a little bit in a controlled way, to let the public know that they are alright. At least, that is my guess. I do hope that we see them together tomorrow. It will be a welcome sight.
November 14th, 2008 20:38
so, there’s no kate and chelsy appear? i thought they were invited?
November 14th, 2008 21:11
Mapleleaf,I don’t think I would be being too presumptuous to say that your thoughts and opinions are welcome here! Thanks for another excellent post!
November 14th, 2008 21:42
Mapleleaf, that was a great post and i hope you will post here more often. I truly enjoyed it and agree.
November 14th, 2008 23:12
Kat and Me and Lisa and Rman and everyone,I’m sending all of you guys a big cyber-hug for your kind words!!
I was worried that speaking my mind would cause me to be banned, and I thank you for being supportive and saying such nice things.
November 15th, 2008 01:30
Mapleleaf
Even though I’ve been flip flopping on the issue of what is going on I think your post was awesome! Honestly someone said the other days that this website was an elite group of banned posters!! John who knows what his problem is & quite frankly who cares. His loss is our gain!!
I enjoy coming onto this website daily and debating now matter how crazy my thoughts are!!!
Tomorrow draws closer!!!
November 15th, 2008 02:09
Hello,
Mapleleaf, it is so good to chat to you on here and I am sure your comments and reasoning will br much appreciated.
In your next to last parag. you state that KM’s ‘image repair’ will continue into the future and in your last parag. you say the present ’stand off’ and uncertainty of their being together has taken the pressure off the engagement question.
Surely if KM appears at the party this evening , with or without PW (it has been reported that he may not attend) then the engagement question will be resurected, the ‘image repair’ interrupted and the clamour for an engagement recycled thus making KM’s heartache and loneliness over the past two months worthless.
Under the present circumstances it must be advantageous for KM to make her apologies and stay away in the interest of her own wellbeing. If she does so or not will obviously depend on what PW or CH want her to do.
As far as CH and PW are concerned they need not do or say anything because it has never been formally acknowledged that there is or is not a love affair, just that PW and KM are good friends and PW has many good friends.
PW doesn’t have to make a statement if he decides not to go out with Guy Pelly so why should he have to make a statement saying he is or is not ging out with KM. This matter has been very cleverly orchestrated in favour of PW since June/July 2007.
November 15th, 2008 04:23
Scandalous pictures of Harry talking to a blond woman on a night out without his girlfriend…
Those playboy Princes, really, talking to women again! *note the sarcasm*
http://tinyurl.com/5bxy7r
November 15th, 2008 04:24
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1085858/What-Queen-think-Rugby-star-Mike-Tindall-shows-girlfriend-Zara-Phillips-new-oiled-torso.html
And Mike is deliberately showing all!!
Also if you take a look the DM has reworded their Chelsy article a bit – to bring in some mentions of Kate (positiveish) & making it crystal clear that neither girl went to the gala party.
By the way, just catching up with comments & I also really like your post Mapleleaf – fingers crossed
Also Ked, you say that PW has treated Kate no differently to some-one like Guy Pelly. I would have to say that I disagree with that comment. By inviting her to the wings ceremony & the garter cermemony in particular, he has singled Kate out. I didn’t see any of his other friends with him at these key events. I would say that 99% of the population if asked would interprete this as meaning that she is his Girlfriend with a big “G” & important to him. In addition this year & last year they went on several holidays alone & then on holiday with her family. Prior to their break up last year they only seemed to go on holiday in groups with other friends – so this is a change but it is a change that is singling Kate out further.
November 15th, 2008 04:28
Thanks for the link, H. So I guess deliberately posing half naked covered in oil is ok when you are male and dating HM’s granddaughter but God beware you are female, wear hotpants and fall while roller skating – that is an unforgivable faux pas.
November 15th, 2008 04:38
H your last comment is not quite true, Kate and William went to Ibiza with her family in 2005 I think it was (not sure about the year). Also, she did go the passing out parade with him, Cheltenham and other parties and balls such as the Boodles one where she wore the blue dress which was like Diana’s.
All in all, there has not been much of a change in terms of her going to public places with him more. Previously when there was an occasion like the Wings ceremony she went with him. All that has happened is that there were more of them this year.
P.S. good post ML
November 15th, 2008 04:42
There’s a slight difference Trixie. Mike has done this for charity, he has not ended up looking like a fool and the press has not mocked him. He is also only dating Zara Phillips not the heir to the throne.
When Kate fell over she looked very undigified and unregal. There was also a lot of alcohol present (it was a party after all) and seeing as every charity event she does seems to have alcohol present, that also did not help her image.
There is a big difference between the two of them.
November 15th, 2008 04:56
I am not denying that Kate’s picture was unfortunate and had better not been taken but I think there is an obvious double standard for men and women here. The main difference is that Mike did this shot ON PURPOSE. He knows he’s dating a granddaughter of HM and still saw nothing wrong posing in underwear, covered in oil. Imagine that had been Autumn (if you do not see Kate as an appropriate comparison)! The public outcry would have been HUGE!
Kate was being clumsy while roller skating and ended up in an unflattering picture. However she didn’t do it on purpose which to me makes the incident less grave than what Mike did. If at all it would compare to the St. Andrews underwear show but that was before Kate even dated William so she was not in a comparable situation then.
November 15th, 2008 05:04
H,
That is not what I am saying.
As neither CH nor PW has publically stated that it was a love affair they do not have to acknowledge it as such. Their only comment has been that they are good friends and PW has many good friends.
As for holidays , did he not recently (reportedly) go to Kenya with some very good friends, and earlier did he not go on a cruise with several good friends and didn’t he go on holiday surfing with friends.
What we believe we know is from newspaper reports and our own imaginations nothing more despite observations to the contrary. If they so wished PW/CH could always say any other interpretation of any event was but speculation.
PW or CH does not then have to confirm or otherwise that he is no longer seeing one of his good friends. That is my point.
I know perhaps as well as most how close PW and KM have been to one another but no one can ever say that it was confirmed from any reputable royal source.
Because of that lack of confirmation KM and her family have been criticised, humiliated and had their reputations sullied all because of a lack of acknowledgment from PW and/or CH.
That was my point.
November 15th, 2008 05:08
Hello,
Is it certain that MT and ZP are still going out ?
Have they been seen together since his return from the rugby tour ?
I don’t know and very little has been written about them recently whilst before they were in the press week on week.
News anyone ?
November 15th, 2008 05:28
It isn’t what they do that causes them to have negative press but HOW they do it.
Kate:
- alcohol present at disco
- undignified fall
- clothes were hardly demure
- appeared amateurish
Mike:
- professional photo
- He is wearing underwear (surely we cannot be shocked because we seen a man with his chest bare! I see worse when I go swimming sometimes, there is a man who always wears very small speedos- us girls never know where to look! Lol)
- Despite being in only his underwear, Mike looks very dignified and sensible. He is not falling over at a disco.
The problem that people had of Kate falling over like that was not what she wearing but the fact that she had allowed herself to be photographed in a situation where she looked undignified. Yes, she didn’t mean to fall over but that is not excuse. As a royal or royal partner people have to be more aware of their image. Mike was in control of his photo being taken and reveals no more than you or I might see if we went down to the beach
There are no double standards here at all. There is just a difference between falling over on rollar skates (having probably drunk some alcohol) and have a professional photo taken for a calender.
November 15th, 2008 06:31
B, if I understand you correctly had Kate posed for charity in underwear with oil all over her body, you would not have criticised her for it (or not as harshly) whereas you do because she fell at the roller disco.
Somehow I don’t think the press reaction would have been much more forgiving towards her, had she gone down Mike’s route instead of partying at the roller disco. She would never have fotten away with this the way Mike seems to. And that was mainly my point. A woman doing the exact same thing would have been called all sorts of unflattering names – especially if that woman was called Kate Middleton.
I think we apparently have very opposite ways to look at this, because I see it as “worse” to pose almost in the nude on purpose vs. to dress inappropriately and then accidently end up looking unregal. Whereas you seem to take the opposite view and say a staged half-nude photo shoot is “better” than an accidentally revealing picture.
November 15th, 2008 06:56
After reading the reworded version of the DM article on Chelsy,I am more convinced then ever that Miguel Head is behind all this and my hat is off to him! Great great job! The process of image building is a slow one but he is making all the right move. Kate’s absence from the scene right now is the right thing to do,IMO. It took her out of the line of fire.
November 15th, 2008 07:15
I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that Mike has not as much negative press because he at least looks dignified. Kate did not look dignified and that is what caused the negative press. In this case it has little do with what they are doing but rather HOW they are doing it.
BTW: Kate did when she was at St Andrews and nobody sees that as being wrong because it was for charity, she was dignified and she was not falling over having drunk alcohol.
November 15th, 2008 07:29
Hello,
I have previously said here (and taken criticism) that CH had a deliberate plan to advance PW’s popularity and to reduce KM’s. A plan hatched in May/June 2007 and now coming to fruition and nowhere so prominent than on BRW.
A year ago KM was paramount and very popular both here and in the country. Compare that position to her relative standing today and the comments now levelled at her even on this blog.
Then think why this has happened and where it was initiated. It isn’t very difficult to work out.
PW is a different character today than he was ten years or so ago an then think of the comments made by Diana’s brother Charlie Spencer at her service. He said then that he would continue Diana’s influence on the Princes and instil them with that sense of honour they would not get from the RF. (Windsors I think he said)
Unfortunately Charlie let himself down and was unable to maintain Diana type influence on PW and PH.
So in the country and here PW is once more the golden boy despite his immature, even selfish attitude to life. KM’s reputation and popularity has, strangely, travelled in the opposite direction and people do not even ask or consider why.
So think on these things and never underestimate the power and influence that can be brought to bear by the RF or more precisely by their retainers. It’s happened before our eyes.
November 15th, 2008 07:45
ked,the tabloid press along with a few poor choices on her part are responsible for Kate’s bad press,not CH. She has been removed from the line of fire to slow down and contain this,IMO. Miguel Head seems to be hard at work rebuilding William proactively which he should as William is the future king. Kate’s image will improve over time and in a more passive way,I believe. There is not conspiracy going on just a smart PR campaign. IMO.
November 15th, 2008 07:47
Ked, it’s not the royal family that brought Kate down. It’s bitter remarks from the “nattering nabobs of negativity” who have been sniping at Kate Middleton since the first time she was outed as William’s girlfriend. Anyway, I love how she has dropped out of sight but remains firmly in William’s life. The internet hater sites now have nothing to attack her for and worry 24/7 where she is and what she’s doing. Stalkers, every last one of them.
November 15th, 2008 07:53
Guest,I agree totally with you and furthermore I feel strongly that this was/is a carefully orchestrated effort to remove her from the line of fire and bring some sanity back to both their lives. remember also, we don’t really know where Kate is actually living,do we ?
November 15th, 2008 08:14
lisa, Guest,
Earlier this year I took the trouble of trying to place the initial comment on about 30+ ‘nasty’ comments directed at KM and her family.
Well over 60% started as ‘a BP aide said today’ or ‘ a CH contact revealed’ and even ‘HM has made it known’ and many similar comments.
Yes these are press stories and yes they exaggerate their royal connections or leaks but in all that time there wasn’t a single complimentary or mildly supportive comment.
Is that odd ?
I found it so.
November 15th, 2008 08:25
Ked, I do agree that things you have told us in the past really do seem to be happening now. When you first brought these things up, I was shocked. Now, I see that they are slowly coming to fruition and I am angry. Not at you, but at PW/CH, etc that could not think of any other way to end this relationship w/o trashing KM reputation. I don’t think PW reputation is in good standing as it once was. I believe it is because of his own doing and they can’t blame KM for that when she is not in the picture. I think PH will always outshine PW because he has a better spirit and that is something one does not get from hiring a new PR team. If they are over, who do you think the RF are trying to hook PW up with?
November 15th, 2008 08:34
B,
Mike T. dignified??? Wasn’t he recently arrested for drunk-driving?
November 15th, 2008 08:38
ked,the tabloids use generic terms to credit sources that don’t exist. Buckingham Palace aids do not speak to tabloids, nor would anyone close enough to HM dare to leak private thoughts to tabloid media. Sorry it it too far fetched.
November 15th, 2008 09:04
B, I have to disagree with you. There is a double standard. Men do not have to live up to the higher moral standards as woman. If Kate, Chelsy had taken a photo in say a bathing suit for a calendar like Mike did, they would be called all sorts of names! The press will never let Kate live down her fashion show at SA. The press have printed pictures of PW butt at Peter’s stag party and that is all but forgotten. Kate falls at Disco and it’s like she posed for Penthouse! It is an unfair standard men get away with alot more than a woman could, that glass wall has not been broken. Just look at how most of us comment on the lack of coverage in Chelsy dress and Mike is in his undies and no one cares.
November 15th, 2008 09:24
IMO, Kate’s reputation changed because her behaviour changed. After the break up she acted every bit the millionaire daughter/party girl/socialite. Before that she was hardly seen out and about but suddenly she was all over the clubs in short sexy dresses, smiling for the cameras. That is when the articles about her being a hypocrite with the press (complaints vs. camera ready smile), her lack of employment or serious ambition in life, her flirty nature etc. started. Now I am not saying that those press tales were reasonable or fair but they WERE based on a change in the way KATE acted.
The Waity Katey thing didn’t start because someone from CH told the DM to write it. It started at the IF because many posters there who did not like her in the first place had found a factual thing to b**** about on a daily basis and the papers picked it up. We may not share that view but it IS based on the fact that Kate did not seek employment for 18 months after leaving university, then only found part time employment at Jigsaw that allowed her to adapt her schedule to William’s, she left in October 2007 only to start working for her parents in January 2008. I do not intent to start another debate on whether that was pretty much the only choice Kate had, but it DOES make her look rather clingy towards William and dependent on her family.
The social climbing stories that came later are, IMO, due to some uncareful things both Pippa and James said. I am sure they meant them tongue-in-cheek or in a joking manner but when printed in a paper things like “My sister will be Queen” or “I want a rich titled husband” may come across wrong.
So Kate’s rep went down because of some decision she made in her life not because of some press campaign by CH especially because neither of these things make William look particularly well. To write that he wants his g/f to be “on call” or can’t see through a “social climber” are hardly flattering to him, so why would CH spread rumours like that? I think they would have tried to link her to other men if they had tried to ruin her rep and make William out to look like the “vicitim” in this.
Just like a change in her behaviour triggered the image change to the negative, her recent change in behaviour may trigger a change for the better – over time.
November 15th, 2008 09:42
Excellent post Trixie and I agree with you that although people might not like it Kate has made the decisions herself and the consequences are ones that she must accept.
November 15th, 2008 09:57
Great points, Trixie
I’m not sure what to think at this point — Kate’s rep has taken a beating over the past year while William’s has been brought steadily up. Why? I would think they’d also want to help Kate’s rep too if she was joining the BRF soon.
Even the Telegraph ran an exceedingly negative article when Kate was caught on her cell phone. There was no mention that she had perhaps been trying to alert someone about the paps and that’s why she had been pulled over. Certainly the CH press office could have strongly encouraged the DT to add a more positive article from behind the scenes.
Also, the pregnancy scare article originated in the same mag which broke the Harry Afghanistan story. Many cynics have speculated this “leak” was done on purpose so that they’d have an excuse to get Harry out of Afghanistan before the dangerous fighting started in the spring. That’s not diminshing him going over to a war zone btw — just saying that what many cynics have thought.
We could then argue there might be a CH source that cooperates with this magazine. If that’s true, perhaps they tried to sully Kate’s rep on purpose, planting a false story in a country that does not have the same severe libel laws that they do in the UK.
Also, the overkill of the first version of Kate’s work/charity efforts on the PP website seems more like the work of a protective mother than the restrained and pragmatic hand of a PR guy.
Let’s also not forget, Miguel Head is only a former Mininstry of defense spokesman. Max Clifford he is not. And Paddy Harverson is still in charge.
Lisa, rereading some of the Diana books, some of her ex-PR people were actually quoted as saying they did speak to many of the tab hacks off the record — and that there was a PR war going on between BP and CH even back then.
The BRF and the media have a symbiotic relationship — neither can exist without the other.
I suspect PW might love Kate but someone at the Palace or CH is not happy with his choice and they are trying to lower her rep to the point that she is no longer marriage worthy.
Of course, that is not fair, but I think that may be what has been happening.
November 15th, 2008 10:07
The general public doesn’t “know” all these things about KM that people on royal forums do
They don’t know every step she has taken, what her sister or brother said, what William felt when she wore hotpants to a disco party etc. And thank God for that. It’s downright scary how closely some people follow her and what they (think they) know about her. Every step, every smile or lack of it, every word in the press is scrutinized and interperated. Most of the time as negatively as possible. This is not the public and I don’t think there are those strong emotions among “real” people towards KM. I bet the pubic just now doesn’t have a clue that there might be a break-up, a press ban, an attempt to quietly get rid of her or whatever one can get the impression of on the forums. Not even the comments after DM or Sun articles reflect the public opinion. Only very specially interested people will look up royal stuff on the net. Some of these “specially interested people” know everything about PW, PH, KM and CH and their famlies and their friends even. But they have very little understanding for royalty, protocol, traditions and just ways of doing things in the RFs of Europe . BP is not in Hollywood as some people seem to think 
So I wouldn’t worry so much about Kate’s reputation and the need to restore the public respect for her. She doing fine.
November 15th, 2008 10:16
alsgal, the Harry Afghanistan story broke in New Idea, the pregnancy scare in Woman’s Day – not the same paper though I think they both belong to the Rupert Murdoch group but which news outlet doesn’t.
I DO think there’s been help regarding Kate’s PR. The lazy unemployment stories stopped, she is reported to work at PP. The party girl stories stopped, she’s not out and about in London anymore. The driving while on the phone story was the last negative one in the British press and is over a months old. The pregnancy scare story didn’t make it into the British press and was only picked up by one or two online blogs/gossip sites. Since no action was taken against the driving story by Kate, I am inclinded to believe she WAS actually making a call while driving. So the reports were accurate. Certainly you don’t expect CH to intervene so that the press would lie to the public to improve Kate’s image. IMO, that’s not the way to go about her PR change. They didn’t do that for William either. He was racked over the coals for the helicopter fiasco and rightly so. Sometimes you have to take a little beating to learn a valuable lesson.
We read at the PP site that they’d be involved with Starlight for Christmas and I expect to hear more about that soon. More positive PR.
Unlike William, Kate doesn’t have the possibility to be “visibly” doing good, press coverage, cute pics and BBC documentary included. She’s in no position to do so or she’d look pompous. So it’s harder to improve her image than William’s who pretty much only needs a couple of royal engagements and pics of him with African orphans to be seen in a better light. Kate doesn’t have that option and won’t be given it before an engagement. But that engagement won’t come unless her image is better. So she got herself a little into a mess there and will just have to sit it out for a few months now. But if she continues to lay low, work and do charity, her image will gradually change for the better.
November 15th, 2008 10:17
Yes and Lisa I remember hearing somewhere that I think Duncan Larcombe has gone on record to say that personal friends of the Queen have approached him expressing negative sentiments about Kate. I’m pretty sure that courtiers and aides leak on a regular basis.
B I agree with Trixie there. If Kate had appeared in the sisterhood photoshoot she would have been done for. The oiled up shot of Mike Tindall whether for charity or not was inappropriate in my opinion. He is half naked and dating a royal. Not done IMO. It looks like something out of a chipendale calendar & will surely raise eyebrows in Royal circles. Yes he was recently arrested for getting a DUI & like Trixie said if Kate had done half of these things she would be persona non gratta. I personally don’t think that the roller disco was the big deal it was made out to be.
I also don’t agree that William’s press profile has necessarily been raised in a positive light this year. We had him falling out of nightclubs drunk several times. Then there was the stag night helicopter debaucle. Then there was the landing in the middleton back yard fiasco & now the memo that his people didn’t even know what he was doing and were told not to ask. My point is that he has had his fair share of negative press this year alongside Kate.
I don’t know Ked I thought that the split last year was leaked to the press by CH & some sort of confirmation came from them???
November 15th, 2008 10:25
jj, it would be interesting to know whether those “friends” of HM have daughters/granddaughters they would love to marry off to William since that would be a HUGE motive for them to throw dirt at Kate. If they didn’t regard her as a threat and as close enough to possibly become married, why would they bother? Even if they leak, however that doesn’t mean their comments reflect the view of HM or of that of the RF in gengeral let alone of William.
November 15th, 2008 10:43
Oh yes Trixie I’m pretty sure that they do have eligible daughters and that is why they leaked. They were very annoyed that a “commoner” was making her way into the firm when their daughters were right there single and waiting. But you are right it doesn’t necessarily reflect the views of HM. HM has met KM on several occasions & I think likes her?
I just read the revised DM article. Wow what a difference 24 hours can make (and possibly a phone call) I did note the positive noises made about Kate & a very direct neither girl was invited (although it didn’t say neither girl attended)..
But all in all I think both of them will go to High Grove and I’m desperately hoping for pictures from somewhere. I think it is 3:00PM over there in blighty & the preparations must be in full swing!
November 15th, 2008 10:50
Well the girl needs some good press, I do know that and maybe she will get some good press while working with The Starlight Foundation next month. Guys I agree that Kate had been getting some negitive press later this year because earlier this year everyone was talking about her future status. I mean her attendence at the Order of The Garter really set things off. So I don’t think for one minute that Her Majesty said something bad about her to the media nor has CH. The press just started to get nasty with her. Things had to change and as we can see that is happening. There is no more nasty stories about Kate anymore because she is not seen at the moment. There is some repairing going on. It’s what they had to do.
November 15th, 2008 11:07
Oh & Ked one final thing to note about Kate not being acknowledged. The prime minister at the time Tony Blair made a statement about the breakup saying that you’ve had your statement now leave them alone. So I think even though CH may not have said they are a couple the prime minister of the country did pretty big deal if you ask me!
November 15th, 2008 11:28
Hi All!
Wow, Alsgal, you made me laugh all week and today you’ve posted some terrific observations.
I especially think the point about the ‘leak’ stories breaking in a country with less stringent libel laws is significant.
Also, a debate over whether there is a BP/CH campaign to discredit Kate or whether Kate is hurting herself is certainly valid. Evidence supporting both positions exists. Unfortunately, IMO there are individuals using KM’s real flubs against her.
Please let me add, I do not think HM or the rest of the BRF are actively trying to break up PW and Kate. However, courtiers, people in the royal circle with marriagable daughters, people who think PW should not marry ‘below’ him, people who think they are carrying out HM’s wishes, etc. are acting up.
Something has continued to bother me: In the summer of 2007, when KM and PW reunited, CH asked Kate to drop out of the dragon boat race, in part because it was ‘inappropriate’. Where were these same people when KM participated in the roller disco?
Wouldn’t Kate get more guidance from CH as time went along, not less, especially if an engagement were imminent? Especially if KM had chosen ‘inappropriate’ events earlier? Wouldn’t someone want to use the event to garner some positive PR for Kate, and at least have made some recommendations on her wardrobe for the evening? Or, if they thought it was a terrible idea, wouldn’t they have at least told her, ok lend your name to the event, but don’t go and participate?
I think KM was left to sink or swim on her own merits the night of the roller disco and, unfortunately, it appears BP/CH were disappointed. In their eyes, KM did not shine, and, unfortunately, she apparently had no help to make sure she was a success. Where were the people who could have advised her?
Books on strategy will often suggest: “Use your opponent’s natural weaknesses to bring about their downfall…” I think this is what is happening here.
November 15th, 2008 11:30
Maple leaf, Ked, and Trixie, excellent posts!
There are some people, IMO, who want to “dictate” that all public opinion regarding Kate should be POSITIVE and anything less is “mean-spirited” or “simply negative.”
I argue that the public have a right to dislike Kate Middleton and to be vocal about their dislike.
1) BTW, anyone who “marries” into this high profile position will be in the public eye for decades. Remember Diana?
2) A princess/princess-to-be needs to maintain a postive public image. Kate is viewed as a princess-to-be. She is dating a future King, not some bloke down the road.
3) Royalty must maintain a certain level of public acceptance/approval if they wish to continue thier traditions.
Trixie identifies the turning point in public opinion to after the first public breakup bwt. PW when KM. At this time Kate transformed herself from sweet undergraduate to a London party girl and many people did not like the “new” Kate Middleton and started to dislike and criticize Kate.
I know of many, many people who changed their minds about Kate from like to dislike around this time and have solid/valid reason for doing so.
Kate’s “new” party girl image snowballed into the most undignified fall at the rollerskating charityfor any royal-to-be IMO. Would we have seen such a fall from Matilda, Maxima, Letitia, Rania, Salma, etc. before they married their crown princes?
Kate was held responsible for this fall and the “penthouse” implications of the photographs taken, IMO.
Kate seems to deny the significance of her position which explains why some attack/criticize her, IMO.
If Kate wants to marry a future King, perhaps it would be wise to take public opinion very, very seriously.
Kate has a public image to maintain and she really should try treat it much, much better than she has.
I wonder if she and Miguel Head are trying to modify her public image and her absence from the public sphere is part of a repair program.
Her image is badly in need of repair, IMO.
November 15th, 2008 11:30
Trixie, thanks for clearing that up about the Afghanistan leak/pregnancy scare being in different magazines. Isn’t Rupert Murdoch a republican anyway? So, he might have an agenda of his own to weaken the Monarchy by influencing public opinion by printing negative articles.
I do firmly believe their are people close to the Queen (and PC) who have their own agendas and possibly daughters and granddaughters they are hoping to promote, so we can never really know who is behind this but we can assume there is some motive.
Look what a ***** Lady Fermoy was towards her own grand Diana after getting her installed — women like that are among the most dangerous because they are willing to sacrifice one of their own to maintain their status. (Lady Fermoy even went against her own daughter.)
So, the viciousness of those people who surround the Royals cannot be denied and I’m sure there are plenty still around.
I’m not so sure there has been any help for Kate, it is probably just the mere fact that she is staying away from shopping in London, nightclubs, and airports whilst traveling that helps to help reduce the number of waity/vacationing articles as without photographic proof, it’s hard to come up with a story.
I do suspect there was perhaps some legal action taken against one or two of the papers and they are now more careful about printing certain things?
November 15th, 2008 11:35
I think we are all like the blind man with the elephant: only the elephant knows the whole story.
With respect to the assertion that KM was asked by CH to drop out of the dragon boat race: both CH and the Sisterhood went on record as saying that CH had nothing to do with it. The spokesman for the Sisterhood stated that she was advised by her own attorneys to drop out for security reasons, among others.
November 15th, 2008 11:38
HI Phoebe,
Do you work for CH?
November 15th, 2008 11:38
And I think it is a shame that a young woman can’t enjoy her youth without the harassment and humiliation of herself and her family.
November 15th, 2008 11:39
No, I don’t work for CH. I just read the papers very carefully.
November 15th, 2008 11:55
Stephanie, just saw your post and that is a terrific point about using one’s opponents natural weaknesses — sadly, I do think may be what has happened or what is currently happening.
Interesting idea also about them dissauding her from the participating in the dragon boat race but giving the go-ahead with the roller disco. Many of us could see well ahead of time that it would not be a dignified event seeing as it would potentially give the press lots of opportunities to photograph Kate falling down (which they did) and most would agree 80’s anything tends to make most people look less than regal. (Of course, it was a good cause but the unfortunate choice of the yellow short-shorts effectively negated that.)
I agree she would have benefitted from some professional PR advice, but I think even basic common sense would have ruled out doing something like this, or thinking it would be OK to join a boat race headed by an adult sex party organiser?
Unfortunately Kate, in some of ill-chosen charitable activities, has either appeared a bit of an exhibitionist or shown that her personal judgement is sadly naive sometimes. The grey men at the Palace are surely worried by this, as she is a grown woman with a first rate university degree and they might wonder, hmmmm, could she not do the math on the yellow short shorts or Emma Sayle (the adult sex paty organiser)?
Remember, just because all of this wouldn’t matter for a regular Joe or Jane, it does matter for Kate because her rep must be spotless, and her associations also. Unlike Harry, or William or Bea, she is still “auditioning” and will be held to a higher standard then most.
If she’d had a job rescuing puppies or something earnest and sincere, the press wouldn’t have been so hard on her. It was the absence of more serious pursuits that made them think she was a bit of a hedonistic fluffball. Which is obviously unfair, but does explain why she has to lay low a bit now and hope that people will forget and see her as a hardworking, charitable catalogue shopper.
I dont think Mike will be marrying Zara after this.
November 15th, 2008 12:05
Phoebe, Kate is not allowed to enjoy her youth — none of them are. Why? Because they aren’t supposed to be “just like everybody else” they are supposed to be exceptional people, mature beyond their years, and worthy of the respect and admiration they are given. That to whom much is given, much is expected and all that.
It’s not fair, but it’s just the way things are. The most popular Royals (and royal spouses) have all acted mature beyond their years, even in their youth. When they do do normal things like going to nightclubs and getting tipsy, they have all been ridiculed in the press.
The fact is, if Kate wants to be Queen, she will have to behave as if she is already one, and will need to learn to make decisions now that will not come back to haunt her.
November 15th, 2008 12:22
There is nothing even about Kate on this post and yet she still causes news!
November 15th, 2008 12:24
I don’t want to sound harsh but Kate is hardly in her youth as such any more. She is nearly 27 and only a few years from 30. At that age, most women are working hard, going out with friends when they have free time but most do not get drunk all the time because they work. A lot of women are also getting married and having children by 27 (I’m not sure what the average age for that is so I can’t say most but I know a lot are).
IMO youth is between 13 and 19. The age when partying all the time, getting drunk, clubbing etc should end by the time a person is 25. By that age most people are out of uni or beginning careers and to be honest they are growing up and should behave like it. That is not to say they cannot go and have a good time of course they can but they are not youths any more.
November 15th, 2008 12:26
I think “the press” (and I use that term advisedly) have been hard on KM because she and her family refuse to cooperate with them.
I guess that I will be in disagreement with the majority of folks that post on these sites. I’ll put out some random thoughts so people know where I stand:
1. I don’t think there is any romantic relationship between PW and KM. I think it is wholly a creation of the tabloid media to sell papers. PW is close friends with KM and her family and has been since their days at school.
2. As CH has repeatedly said, KM is a private citizen. As such, she is entitled to her privacy. As is her family. I have seen no evidence to suggest that she disagrees with this assessment.
3. As stated above, the DM campaign to smear KM and her family arises from their pique at the fact that she and her family refuse to cooperate and “spill the beans”, so that the DM can sell more papers. Therefore, anything reported in the DM should be taken with a grain of salt, to put it mildly.
4. I think the current press blackout on the Middletons has arisen from the family threatening legal action of some sort. Good on them. The only drawback I see to this is that I won’t get to find out who the cutie is that Pippa has been seen with in the last couple of set of pics on Getty Images (even I can be a celebrity junkie at times).
5. I admire KM and wish her the best.
November 15th, 2008 12:36
Phoebe,
#1 is a very, very interesting idea!
#4 Are you kidding? The “cutie” dating Pippa? I guess he is just not my type. LOL!
November 15th, 2008 12:42
His pictures don’t do him justice.
November 15th, 2008 12:44
My dearest Alsgal always makes so much sense. It’s hard to top her words. The only thing I woudl add, is I think the RF see Kate as a loose canon and can’t take the risk of having her apart of the RF. Her behavior and the press negative articles have, I believe done her in. If she shows tonight I would not read alot into it. I think PW/CH are trying to make this a soft fall and then it will be done. But whatever happens I do wish both well and I hope we continue to talk about potential mates.
November 15th, 2008 13:03
I don’ think Kate is “done in” for good. I agree that she’ll have to turn her image around but that’s not impossible just look at Harry and Chelsy. Kate has 18 months to do so.
Camilla had the worst image possible and she was “allowed” into the BRF regardless. Kate’s “image problems” pale in comparison.
November 15th, 2008 13:10
I wonder if we will only get photos of guests arriving in cars again? What time does the party start?
November 15th, 2008 13:21
Can paps get close enough to Highgrove to get pictures? Have there ever been pap pics taken at Highgrove? I can’t remember.
November 15th, 2008 13:46
I agree Trixie
Camillia’s has been trashed through the papers for about 10 years if I’m doing the math correctly. Her image IMO was the evil wicked woman & they managed to make her look not too evil so anything is possible. She still doesn’t according to some polls have a good following but she is still next inline to be the Queen….
Chelsy has appeared an awful lot of questionable photographs. & is still as thick as thieves with Harry. So it is possible for Kate to change her image she just has to have some advise since by the sounds of things her common sense is questionable at times & lay low until the re-vamp begins.
November 15th, 2008 13:51
If any of you happen to see a white flocked evergreen tree occasionally move outside the gates in Tetbury, do not be alarmed, for it is one of our operatives in deepest darkest cover.
I have warned Cecil (codenamed HoneyBunny) to refrain from using the flash like he did last time with the infamous pitchfork incident, so hopefully we will have pictures, albeit somewhat blurry ones, shortly.
Interesting theories indeed. If Kate’s just a friend though, who has PW been with in the biblical sense for all this time? Perhaps that affectionate kiss PW gave the horse in front of the crowd was telling us more than we realised at the time. Or perhaps would like to know, although at least there would never be a risk of the horse selling his or her story to the Sun.
Phoebe, that cutie with the Pipmeister I thought was Wilfred More Nisbett, of the Edinburgh More-Nisbett’s. I love how his pale redheaded skin contrasts so nicely against Pippa’s slightly more tanned tone. Very complimentary, this pair. A lovely couple, and I’m glad to see Pippa still gets out and about from time to time.
Gracie, thank you for your kind words dear but it is amazing how many points one can cover if one limits one’s post to 1500 words or less.
November 15th, 2008 13:54
Pictures were taken of folks arriving for Camilla’s sixtieth last year.
November 15th, 2008 13:55
November 15th, 2008 13:56
Alsgal, I thought your operative was Ked!
November 15th, 2008 13:59
Bruno has photos of Rod arriving at Tetbury!
November 15th, 2008 14:03
I don’t speculate about who PW has “been with in the biblical sense”, if anyone. That’s his business. That said, I find it interesting that KM is only one of several close friends of PW, some male, who have, with perhaps two exceptions, been present at PW’s “personal miletsone” events, and only she has been singled out as the love interest. I won’t say specific names because I’m not sure how far the UK’s libel laws extend.
November 15th, 2008 14:08
You can name TvS if you want to. He was also in New Zealand wth William on his first official royal tour (I do not remember what excuse they gave for him being there). Luckily enough Kate seems to get on with TvS very well.
I am sure though if William tried to hide a homosexual relationship, he’d be married to Kate by now since he would have no reason not to marry a trusted friend wo apparently doesn’t talk. Are Royals allowed to have homosexual marriages? I now those are legal in the UK – also for royals? That would be the first time the UK had two Queens.
Sorry but I just can’t take specualtion like that seriously…
November 15th, 2008 14:08
Phoebe
You also have to remember that CH went to a great deal of trouble to get Pippa’s camera back with “intimate” photographs of William & Kate back. I’m pretty sure if it was just a “friend” they wouldn’t have sent the MI5 around…
November 15th, 2008 14:19
No, Gracie — Ked was on schedule to be the moving rhododendron, as the camouflage deer costume worn at least year’s birthday bash for Camilla ended badly, very badly for another young man who was in BRW’s employ. Let’s just say everything has been worked out with PETA regarding that particular incident, and leave it at that, shall we? (The young man is fine, btw, and the wound has healed completely.)
Phoebe — libel laws? Oh dear, I think I see what you are inferring. So I must be off with my equine suspicions, then. In code, I will just say, when you think of it, is the first thought
T.hat’s V.ery S.uspicious?
November 15th, 2008 14:23
Trixie, I just saw your post and I was shocked by the boldness of your post. If we were on the IF, we would all surely be banned at this very moment! :0
November 15th, 2008 14:27
I am quite shocked at my own boldness but I just couldn’t let that Queen joke pass and hey TvS would make a cute Consort at least …
November 15th, 2008 14:30
Cute as a button indeed!
November 15th, 2008 14:38
My point is that often the evidence presented in support of a romantic relationship between PW and KM may not be evidence at all. As far as Pippa’s camera, we only have the Sun’s word for it that the pictures were in fact “intimate”. Who else has seen them? And whether MI5 were involved or not, I don’t know, but a crime was committed and the camera was in fact stolen property. Perhaps we should just move on.
Those with links to photos, please post (if allowed).
November 15th, 2008 14:45
So far there are only pics of Rod Stewart and quite frankly not very interesting ones. Here’s a link:
http://tinyurl.com/5zl4m5
November 15th, 2008 14:47
can’t wait to see more pictures.
November 15th, 2008 14:54
Whi is this man?
http://picture.belga.be/belgapicture/picture/11227554.html
November 15th, 2008 15:23
Iranian comedian Omid Djalili
I think he participated in the We Are Most Amused show on Wed(?) night.
November 15th, 2008 16:19
more pics. Noone interesting
Tara palmer Tolkinson
http://tinyurl.com/6×4zye
Rowan Atkinson
http://tinyurl.com/6dkgvl
Prince and Princess Michael of Kent
http://tinyurl.com/5t8tem
November 15th, 2008 16:24
sorry Palmer Tompkinson
November 15th, 2008 17:28
Trixie, your links don’t work for me. Can you give me the name of the website, and I’ll try and find them myself.
November 15th, 2008 17:30
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/73101/Do-Ya-Think-Im-Sixty.html
Article on the event – it says Kate & Chelsy are there but no gossip!!
November 15th, 2008 17:58
That’s for the link H! Here’s a quote from the News of the World article:
“A total SEVENTY-FIVE celebs mingled with the Prince and his family—including wife Camilla, sons William and Harry and their girlfriends Kate Middleton and Chelsy Davy.”
November 15th, 2008 19:26
Pippa’s “cutie” is allegedly Simon Youngman, per Katie Nicholl. Also per KN, Charles allegedly blew off the birthday brunch organized by Elizabeth Anson, claiming he never planned to be there.
November 15th, 2008 20:13
Phoebe,
Billy of the Drum is no longer Pippa’s boyfriend, he’s the guy in the picture. Pippa has a new boyfriend, the diamond heir.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1086223/Now-Kate-Middletons-little-sister-Pippa-finds-heir-own.html
Mapleleaf,
About the Highgrove party for Charles the DM wrote, “Princes William and Harry are thought to have stayed overnight at Highgrove and their girlfriends Kate Middleton and Chelsy Davy were also thought to have made an appearance.”
Does that mean that Kate Middleton definately attended the party?
November 15th, 2008 20:19
WHY WASN’T KATE AND CHELSEY THERE? DID THEY HAVE NOTHER PARTY TO GO TO?
November 15th, 2008 20:38
I do believe they were there. Probably went before hand since William & Harry was already there. Now I hope that we will see the couples out later.
November 15th, 2008 20:38
We will never know if they were there unless photos get out. Alsgal mentioned that Billy The Drum mom is snobby and probably would not approve of PM if her sis was w/PW. I kind of added my own words to Alsgal comment, so don’t quote me line for line. Sorry dearest A. The point I was making is PM is w/a wealthy man but no aristo, so maybe KM and PW have split. Maybe the Midds are no longer “in” the royal circles anymore. Just a hunch. I don’t put alot of stock of them being together still. I think the press is being fed the info that she was there to go along w/the soft split. RA sounds alot like Ked. John just got back from a trip too, like Ked. I hope he is not Ked. I am sad, as I was hoping for some photos of Kate arriving.
November 15th, 2008 20:40
I would say that they was there with the boys.
November 15th, 2008 20:45
Lyndsay, H posted a link to a News of The World article, it’s a few posts up. The NoTW article says that Wills and Harry and Kate and Chelsy were all there.
Here is a link to a Daily Mail article that says Wills and Harry spent the night at Highgrove Friday night, and that both Kate and Chelsy were at the party:
http://tinyurl.com/6cyp3s
I think it’s possible Kate and Chelsy stayed at Highgrove on Friday night also, or maybe they arrived there very early this morning.
November 15th, 2008 20:46
Gracie there was no photo of Kate being at last years party but we know she was there. I wonder how we never see any of the royals going home. I just wish we will see the people already because this is getting silly. I don’t think there is a so called “soft split” but we just haven’t seen W&K out in awhile. They often disappear from time to time then reappear. That happens.
November 15th, 2008 20:49
Right they was there but no photos. I’m just hoping we will see them out somewhere soon. They probably did arrive early or the day before.
November 15th, 2008 20:51
Gracie
That’s so funny I was thinking exactly the same thing about RA’s John who just so happened came back from a trip which sounded very like the one which Ked mentioned. I don’t want to call anyone out but the post which Ked made earlier on in the week about Kate continuing to hang around with William as a friend in the pack and being a loose cannon is almost word for word what John wrote on his website in the comment section last month. I’m just saying…
November 15th, 2008 20:57
jj, yeah it seems a little weird. Especially since they both have come back from traveling. Wasn’t it you who asked earlier if he was John and Ked said he was hurt?
November 15th, 2008 21:13
PH, I’m sorry I didn’t see your post when I posted my comment.
Yes, I do believe Kate and Chelsy were there. I can’t see the purpose of so many newspapers lying about Kate and Chelsy being present, or what the newspapers would gain by lying about it. It’s hard to believe things without photo validation, but unless we get pictures of them, how would we know if Wills and Harry were even there?
For that matter, several articles said that Camilla’s children Tom Parker-Bowles and his sister Laura Lopes were there, yet we didn’t see photos of them arriving either.
I don’t think newspapers always tell the whole story or the totally true story, but in this instance the newspapers have nothing to gain by lying about Kate and Chelsy being present, just like they have nothing to gain by lying about Tom Parker-Bowles being present.
I wish some more photos would pop up so that they validate the newspaper articles,
but I doubt that’s going to happen.
According to the UK Press, the BBC, and the News of The World, Wills and Harry spent the night at Highgrove, which we shouldn’t forget is their home.
It’s very possible that both Kate and Chelsy spent the night at Highgrove on Friday night as the guests of their boyfriends, and they might spend the night tonight as well. It certainly makes sense, especially if Wills and Harry wanted them to stay as their guests for the weekend.
Highgrove is a large manor house with 9 main bedrooms and several guest rooms. There’s more than enough room for Kate and Chelsy to stay for a weekend:
http://tinyurl.com/5rnr5k
November 15th, 2008 21:17
The DM article says guests were coached in. Seems kind of extreme, but it would explain the lack of pictures. Either that or folks went in the back way; or the paps are teriffied and didn’t show up.
November 15th, 2008 21:22
I just read that Katie Nicholl is planning on writing a book on Kate. now that should be a literary masterpiece…
November 15th, 2008 21:25
Yes it was me Gracie. I just got a bit suspicious when I read his post about Kate’s role going forward in Williams life it just sounded very similar. I was half joking but half thinking hmmmmmm.
Or like I’ve mentioned before they could have been on the floor or in the boot of some car. Who knows. I wonder if there is more than one entrance to Highgrove?? But yes a lot of people who attended were not photographed so ..
November 15th, 2008 21:30
It appears that “John” is spreading his “wedding is indefinitely off” on quite a few forums…whatever. he is a blogger. The only difference between us and him is bandwidth.
November 15th, 2008 21:47
I thinked if PW and KM will split up they would be in mags.and newspapers stating that they split since then they dont have a news about them. about the rumors or speculation about kate pregnancy the clearance house or PW state that he wants to be interviewed. and seems the clearance house doesnot mind that already.
November 15th, 2008 21:52
Thanks for that information about the guests being coached in Phoebe! It makes a lot of sense, and it would definitely explain why we saw so few photos of the guest arriving.
It would be hard for the paparrazzi to get photos of Kate, Chelsy, or anyone else, especially at night, if they’re sitting inside a big motor-coach.
For those who wanted to see what Highgrove looks like, here’s the link I posted in my other post above:
http://tinyurl.com/5rnr5k
It looks like Highgrove only has a long access road in front, but maybe there is another road far in the back out of sight.
November 15th, 2008 22:09
Wow the grounds look amazing Mapleleaf!!! Lisa the whole things is hilarious really.
November 15th, 2008 23:46
Mapleleaf,
Thanks for wonderful picture of Highgrove.
There are some wonderful interior shots of Highgrove in “The Housekeeper’s Diary:Charles and Diana Before the Breakup” (1995) by Wendy Berry. The book was “banned in Britain.”
Where on earth did you find that photo? It is amazing, the house is spectacular!
November 15th, 2008 23:55
Hello,
Hey. I am not John!
I do not know John and I am not a journalist .
I have only just got in after a hectic night following an evening and night at the BBC watching Strictly come dancing and went out to drown sorrows with a few friends.
I checked to see what has been happening to read that I am accused of being John Evans from RA. That I can assure you is completely untrue and I can assure you that I feel very unhappy at being thought to be that person.
Will write more to morrow.
Good night (morning)
November 16th, 2008 00:52
I believe you Ked, you live in another area totally different and very far apart from John, other than that, many to all posters at some point have “similar” thoughts and opinions towards any royal or related person.
November 16th, 2008 04:37
Chelsy was caught leaving a London club Saturday with her friend Olivia Perry and some guy. I guess she was not in Highgrove then.
http://tinyurl.com/59sokl
November 16th, 2008 04:50
The article was scanned by mapleleaf and posted over at IF. I took the freedom to post it here as well, I hope that’s ok.
November 16th, 2008 04:51
None of the journalists seem convinced that either Kate or Chelsy were there. The DM says something like it is believed that Kate and Chelsy were there, but those photos obviously show that she was not, unless they have mixed up the dates of the photos or something. In which case the papers do not know at all if the girls were there or not as they said Chelsy was but she wasn’t after all.
So what do we think? I say wait until we have more info and a real source but I have a feeling that it will not happen. I could not imagine that they would invite William’s girlfriend but not Harry’s. That would be a real insult to Chelsy and Harry. Likewise, I could not see Chelsy rejecting an invitation because it would not look good for her and would most likely disappoint Harry.
Oh it’s so confusing!
November 16th, 2008 04:58
Seeing that Chelsy didn’t go to Highgrove (if the pictures in the Daily Star is correct and wasn’t taken on Friday), I conclude two things.
1. She was not at BP on Thursday because I see no reason why she would attend the high profile BP event but not the more private Highgrove party and btw. the dress she wore out to the club looks more demure than the one she wore Thursday night
2. neither g/f was invited to any of the parties.
It is true that so far no paper seems to have any inside reports of the Highgrove event. Nothing about what the girls supposedly wore etc. That leads me to conclude that they do not know for sure that they were there.
November 16th, 2008 05:01
Who knows when those pictures of Chelsy were actually taken. Daily Star is a bottom feeder,lol…I bet that with Kate being so low key right now the tabs are going to zero in on Chelsy…good luck to her. I think it will be come the Pippa and Chelsy show..oy.
November 16th, 2008 05:02
I just found this article which sounds like Chelsy was out on FRIDAY which would of course mean she could still have been in Highgrove Saturday.
http://tinyurl.com/5q2dl8
But this is from the people.co.uk which is extremely unreliable.
November 16th, 2008 05:39
HI my name is sarah and I’m from belgium and leaves near Paris (in france). My sister lives and works in london. She was a waitress (?) as an extra in tetbury (I think it’s charles house Highgrove). She wanted to take pictures (hidding) but she could’nt arrived. But both girls were there. Kate was there on friday (she saw here when she comes first to help the arrangements with her boss and the team) and Chelsy arrives on saturday afternoon (2pm). I asked her how they were dress (one in black, the other in cream). Both were very lovely and beautiful
November 16th, 2008 05:44
Sarah, thank you so much for that. Did your sister say anything about how William & Kate behaved towards each other. Did they seem close?
November 16th, 2008 05:47
I forgot, Anne’s husband was there but without his wife (i dont know whyn maybe sick) and zara was here too. The children of camilla and béatrice too. and the most beautiful was sophie who was splendid (?)
November 16th, 2008 05:48
Guys, if Kate really did turn up on the Friday then this is significant. On Friday night PC seemed to be just having a private night in with his immediate family. For Kate to be there must say something about the strength of their relationship. I am crossing my fingers again
November 16th, 2008 05:56
So, I ask a few questions to my sister but she wants to sleem (it an hour less in london). Chelsy follows Harry everywhere (she seems less confortable and a little shy, but harry takes her hands all along) but kate speaks with everyone and lives her life (my sister says she is more confortable and speaks a lot with the hands and is not shy at all) chelsy was a little lost without harry but kate knows quite everyone. Zara was not quite well (a little sad, but why ?) william was teasing kate a lot and was very happy and a little tan and harry too (but just a little) at one moment william catch kate and say something in one ear and she explose of laughs . Sorry for the moment I have to do some shopping for lunch. I’ll be back in half an our.
November 16th, 2008 06:05
Sarah, that is absolutely fantastic to hear. I / we are worried about whether Kate & William are still together as there have been rumours of “wobbles” and it is good to hear that they seem to be going strong.
Any details that you are able to give are much appreciated. Thank you
By the way, was she wearing Black & Chelsy, cream or the other way around? Long or short?
November 16th, 2008 06:35
Everyone, you’re welcome. I think Highgrove is very pretty also.
Chelsy was actually at the club on Friday night, not Saturday. The party at Highgrove was last night, which was Saturday night.
The photo taken of Chesly and shown in the Daily Star was taken Friday night/early Saturday morning.
The Daily Star article doesn’t claim Chelsy wasn’t at Highgrove on Saturday night. What it said was :
“YESTERDAY Chelsy was snapped in the early hours”
meaning, it was late Friday night/early Saturday morning when Chelsy was snapped leaving Amika nightclub.
The fact is, the Daily Star article is a scan of a PRINT tabloid page. It’s an actual, physical, printed tabloid page. The latest it could’ve gone to print was early Saturday evening.
So by the time the party at Highgrove started, the Daily Star tabloid was printed and headed for the newsstands. There is no way Clive knew on Saturday afternoon/evening what happened Saturday night and early this (Sunday) morning.
I do believe Kate and Chelsy were at Highgrove last night. The photo agencies have only shown the photos of about 14 people or so, but supposedly about 100 people actually attended the party.
So either there are people who attended the party whose photos we haven’t seen online, or we have to assume only 14 or so people actually attended the party for Charles at Highgrove.
Supposedly there were about 100 guests at the Highgrove party. We haven’t seen their photos online, so does that mean they weren’t really there at Highgrove?
Let’s be realistic: If any of the guests arrived by coach, then we AREN’T going to get photos of those people. How many people can comfortably fit on a coach? Maybe 35? The online photos aren’t going to show us their photos.
In this case, I don’t think we can assume the online photos are showing us ALL of the guests who attended, because if that was the case, then they had an awfully small party for Charles at Highgrove!
There were at least 2 articles that definitely said Kate and Chelsy were there, the NoTW article and the UK Press Association article.
I think they were there, because in this instance I can’t see what the newspapers would gain by saying the girlfriends were there if they really weren’t.
November 16th, 2008 06:44
Wow guys, I didn’t see Sarah Nicolas’ comments before I posted mine.
Sarah Nicolas, thank you very much for your information. Please thank your sister as well!
November 16th, 2008 06:54
I’am back. I phoned my mother (who is in Paris) and she told me she phoned too my sister (who was angry we wake up her so early). These infos are from my mother. Just a few things, the party was not in the main house. The guests had to cross a part of the garden (with beautiful lights blue and red) to arrive in another part of the house outside where there were many tables with flowers and “nappe” white. the prince did a littlle speech to welcome everybody. My sister said she didnt like the way Chelsy was makup (with blue) she thinks it doesnt suit her. But Kate was in brown (the makup). My sister likes the way Chelsy looked at harry. She said Chelsy is more a “jeune fille” and kate a “woman” and it’s the same in their behaviour. I thought Chelsy was the one who has the most “confidence” and it ’s finally kate my sister told me. By the way I love the post of Mapleleaf. If I remember something else, I tell you.
November 16th, 2008 07:01
just one more thing (sorry but I just remember things little by little, next time I call my sister I take note…) .There are many entrance to highgrove, because my sister doesnt come by the main entrance (they were not allowed) and the photographs just wait near the main entrance.
November 16th, 2008 07:05
Also thank you for all of your exclusive information.
Did you sister say if she liked the way Kate looked at William as well? Did they seem close like Harry and Chelsy?
It sounds like Kate was mingling with everyone very well, but she’s been in that sort of environment more than Chelsy has, so it would make sense that she is more comfortable.
I do hope William and Kate were close. Harry and Chelsy sound like they were probably adorable together!
November 16th, 2008 07:17
I guess Chelsy likes her blue eyeshadow? So sad we may never get photos of Kate being there.
November 16th, 2008 07:24
Ked, I am sorry and don’t be angry.
November 16th, 2008 07:27
sarah, thanks for posting. I really hope what you write is true but forgive me that I remain sceptical for now.
I’d still LOVE to see pics. SOMEONE must have managed to take a quick shot with a mobile camera – we got pics of Will’s birthday party. Why not now? Or why no pics of Kate leaving her home in Berkshire? Will and Kate taking a walk? Anything? Please!
November 16th, 2008 07:28
Sarah said William was teasing Kate a lot. I guess that means that they are close. No problems in that relationship, like the non-dramatic among us have said all along
November 16th, 2008 07:51
Would you take pictures if you were invited to that party and asked not to? I hope no guest would do that. And therefore we should not want pictures from this event.
And we will have to believe that it took part even though we have no pictures from the party itself. And we will have to believe that there were more guests than those 10-15 we have seen arriving. We will have to believe that many members of PCs family were there although we haven’t seen anybody arriving. We will have to believe that PC himself arrived there on Friday or Saturday, but we’ll never see pictures of that. It’s very likely that William and Kate arrived on Friday and that they probably haven’t left yet. So there won’t be any pictures.
The closest we will come to knowing anything is information from people who were there when it took place. The guests are not going to say much, the press was not there, so it’s not such a surprise that a waitress is our best source. But what a source! They see and hear a lot. I think what Sarah has been telling, sounds pretty likely and I have no reason not to believe her.
November 16th, 2008 07:55
Hello Trixie, for the photos, my sister was not authorised to keep her mobile with her. When she arrived she had to change her clothes and put her coat and bag and clothes in a special place and the people working for the evening were breafing by a staff responsible what to do and what not to do. camera and mobile were forbidden.
November 16th, 2008 08:12
dagy what you’ve said is the same way I think too, and I believe Sarah Nicolas also. We were just lucky that Sarah decided to share her information with us.
I’ve always assumed that at a place like Highgrove the security people would make the extra/temporary staff do something similar to what Sarah was describing that her sister had to do.
It’s really the only practical way they can control the situation, and verify that the staff didn’t sneak a mobile or a camera in.
November 16th, 2008 08:37
There are pictures on rex that show arrivals of Zara and her dad, Simon Sebag, Camilla and daughter Laura in what looks like a van. Maybe they were not arrivals but departures now that I think of it as Sophie had no coat on in the latest pics and you could see her dress was white. Ya’ll might have already seen these already though, but I think they were updated today.
November 16th, 2008 08:45
I am realistic enough to know no pics would come out but a girl can dream, right. I loved the birthday pics so much that I just hoped for a similar treat this time.
November 16th, 2008 09:09
Gracie, Hi can you telle me how to find REX I type rex on google and didn’t anything
November 16th, 2008 09:12
sarah, here’s a link to the arrival pictures:
http://tinyurl.com/62au2p
November 16th, 2008 09:19
Great, but when you clic on the photos, you can’t have a larger version… what a pity ! I don’t know half of the people. Unknown in france I’m afraid.
November 16th, 2008 09:55
Sarah,
I am so happy you shared the information you gathered about the Highgrove party. The reality does seems different than media impressions. Love your sister’s observations about Kate and Chelsey.
Thanks again,
PH
November 16th, 2008 09:57
My sister and her boss and the team go to Highgrove in one hour to take off the material they land/bring (prêter) for the evening. They leave behind them a part of things they were not able to take off at 3am (end of the evening). So I asked she calls me to give me some news (if there is news to give). I email you if there is something. I can’t call her before 8 or 9 pm (it’s nearly 4pm in France, and for my sister 3pm).
November 16th, 2008 10:27
Hello,
Yesterday I was told that KM is not in country and I have been trying to confirm or otherwise this morning.
I share this with you but can not confirm at present. It is said that she is in Dublin but again I can’t confirm and it may be that it is said that because KM has travelled from Bristol to Dublin a number of times in past months.
I will continue to try and get confirmation but understand lady who initiated this is herself out of the UK for three or four days.
I was never able to confirm original story that KM had traveled from Bristol to Dublin and return.
November 16th, 2008 10:31
Is it worth noting that Mike Tindall did not accompany Zara Phillips? I wonder after the photo shoot if all is well in Tindall/Phillips land?
Sarah thanks so much for sharing it was really nice to hear about the boys and girls!!!!
November 16th, 2008 10:41
Ked, she’s in to give us all a surprise, work related.
November 16th, 2008 11:07
Me,
Have you therefore heard anything to that effect ?
I must admit to thinking that her promotion in PP may mean that she is opening a new office/warehouse in Dublin. I believe that there are huge taxation based incentives there especially for export related business.
I am anxious to confirm this story as it may then lead on to something else I can’t yet mention.
November 16th, 2008 11:16
I did hear the rumor, but I’m with you on this, wait and see to confirm the Dublin flights.
November 16th, 2008 11:39
Hello,
I am a self-employed photographer whose photos have been carried by Rex and Getty. There were 6 photographers outside the gates of Highgrove yesterday morning, which had increased to 11 in the evening, all stationed outside the main gates of Highrove, as the Royal Protection service does not tolerate them anywhere else near the property.
A Land Rover registered to Mr. Michael Middleton was seen entering Highrove around 4:00 p.m. yesterday, and Michael and Carole Middleton were clearly seen in the front, Michael driving, Carole as his passanger. Kate Middleton was not visible, so we had the assumption that she must have come earlier, or perhaps was hiding in the back. One of the photographers asked Mr. Middleton to please comment on the rumour that his daughter was soon to be engaged to Prince William, but he said nothing as he rolled up his window (after presenting something to the policemen on duty) but smiled graciously and waved as he drove past. Mrs. Middleton also smiled slightly but did not wave. Both were wearing day clothing, so it appears they perhaps changed once they got to the main house and as their Land Rover was not seen for the rest of the evening, it is assumed they stayed as overnight guests of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall.
Make of that what you will.
November 16th, 2008 11:47
November 16th, 2008 11:50
You where working, post the pics.
November 16th, 2008 11:52
All these ideas and theories are all very well, but if there are no pictures to validate them they are worthless.
November 16th, 2008 11:57
phyllis a, thank you for that. I’m trying to be patient because I truly she and William will reapear in the public soon. But you got so many bloggers and sites that is ready to lock that relationship up and throw away the key. And I’m trying to tell everyone, wait not just yet. There’s something good going on and it’s we the public that just have to be patient and wait for what’s coming.
November 16th, 2008 11:59
phyllis, is there anywhere we can see your pics from Saturday?
November 16th, 2008 12:01
My point exactly. So take anyone’s “word” with a grain of salt. Ditto for the stories in the DM or anywhere else that make a claim one way or another about ANYTHING. If the DM and other tabs have been wrong about Kate and William breaking up (when they were still together) why are they assumed to be correct now that they are claiming Kate was there? That makes no sense, as that relies purely on the ssumption that she would be there if she is still PW’s girlfriend. Without verifiable proof, it’s still only speculation.
She might have been there, she might not have been there. It’s still 50/50. Just as before.
‘Tis Alsgal, btw.
November 16th, 2008 12:20
Well done, Alsgal! I think some people do forget to take the good news with a grain of salt, like they do with the bad….
November 16th, 2008 12:27
Ked, what kind of info can you not tell us yet? If KM is starting her own business in Dublin, well that’s not a huge deal and I wish her well. What else would be so secretive that you can’t mention? By what you have told us, I can assume that KM and PW care deeply for one another but will do their own things. So what’s else is there left to say? If what Phylis is saying is true than I can’t see why the Midds would attend and possibly stay the night if something serious is not going on between KM and PW.
November 16th, 2008 12:30
Gracie….
You should probably read the 2nd post by Phylis…it was Alsgal pulling the wool over everybody’s eyes to prove a point
November 16th, 2008 12:30
phyllis a
Your pst is date stamped Nov 16th 2008,11.39 that is today sunday.
You state 6 photographers sat am and 11 sat pm.
At 4pm saturday a land rover entered H. with Mr and Mrs M inside.
How do you know Land Rover registered to Mr M. Do you have police powers to search car registrations ?
You the claim Mr and Mrs M stayed Sat night as guests ?
Is that corbrect please ?
November 16th, 2008 12:35
Alsgal, your a bad girl!! There goes my only shread on KM and PW still being together.
November 16th, 2008 12:37
Hello,
I knew from other info that there was irregularities in that post.
Good spoof Alsgal but don’t test the strength of our hearts again. There aren’t enough emergency helicopters a bout at present here in UK.
Seriously now.
Did anyone read the Coroners report on Army officers death togther with reference to shortage and reliability of helicopters for battle field emergencies?
November 16th, 2008 13:00
Sorry all, I did not mean to cause any heart attacks or get anyone’s hopes up.:)
But please remember it is always good to remain skeptical, and to always question the source. Just because something seems to confirm what we ourselves hope to be true, does not mean it is true. We tend to think that things which confirm our POV make sense, and things which contradict our point of view do not.
At this point, I believe there is no way of knowing what PW and KM’s intentions are as perhaps they themselves do not even know at this stage. Perhaps even those closest to them are taking a wait-and-see approach as well.
So, it looks like for now, that we will have to be Waity’s as well.
November 16th, 2008 13:04
Good one alsgal.
A good example of tough love there, I think sometimes good news is welcomed willing with smiles but the bad news is always shunned to one side. You have made a very good point.
I think we must consider objectively what is being said and then make our own decisions, if they differ from someone else’s thats fine but I would not want the wool to be pulled over anyones eyes.
November 16th, 2008 13:18
So why shouldn’t Chelsy be invited to the party?
I suppose you are all very sceptical to the papers saying that she was there?
November 16th, 2008 13:25
The people at the Royal forum is now making fun of this site and all the fake posts. Is it smart to give this forum that type of image really? And why should somebody with some inside information ever want tro post here again?
November 16th, 2008 13:36
Ty B, I agree with you. Everyone should be allowed to have their own opinions about this, or should at the very least, have the right to remain as thoroughly confused and slightly annoyed by the lack of clear information as I am.
Any more thoughts on the Pippa/Simon Youngman article in the Daily Mail? And all this time I thought that cute redhead was Billy More-Nisbett. No wonder he doesn’t look like his “parents”, Alan and Patrea More Nisbett! I was beginning to think Mrs. Nibett might have some explaining to do to Mr. Nisbett!
If the DM article is even true
and that dude is who they say he is (didn’t Hello say that the same Redheaded Man w/ Pippa at the Claridge’s Rod Stewart party was Billy More Nisbett? I thought Hello! was more reliable then most) then that was one snarky article.
“Pippa, who has a taste for wealthy men” ???!@#@!
Seriously, why not just call her a golddigger and be more obvious, as that is what they were clearly inteneding?
Just an utter lack of respect.
Interesting that his father is supposedly in the diamond business. A few have suspected that some in the BRF are a bit anti-semitic because of the Duke of Windsor, Princess Margaret, and Philip’s brother-in-law who was a Nazi. I have often wondered if what they are implying, but not daring to print, is that Carole Middleton, although CofE now, is descended from Jewish stock and that is one reason why the grey men at BP are perhaps against Kate and the Middletons in general? It’s one more theory anyway.
November 16th, 2008 13:43
Ked, no I did not read it, but it does not surprise me. I assume you are mentioning this because of PW S and R position?
November 16th, 2008 13:51
Now the Daily Star is getting on Harry & Chelsy. I’m just waiting for a sighting.
November 16th, 2008 13:52
alsgal, I always find it interesting how the papers fail to mention that both Kate and Pippa are millionaire daughters themselves. They are quite a “good catch” by all standards. Who is to say they are the ones chosing and no the ones chosen by the men they date? The article says the guys family is “fairly wealthy” – so are the Middletons. Since he has to work for a living in event planning no less, I dare assume his family wealth is not great enough to support him so he is in no better social “class” than Pippa herself especially if he doesn’t even hold a title of some sorts.
November 16th, 2008 13:53
Btw 15 out of the 17 comments online for the Pippa article are negative, and the two that can perhaps be deemed neutral only say, “Who cares?”
Given that only a year ago, the DM used to leave out negative comments about the Middleton sisters (according to many posters at other Royal forums) I’d say Miguel Head isn’t doing much to help these days.
Even if the blackout theory is correct, it doesn’t seem to be in practice at the Mail, as running a negative article about Pippa and printing the unfavourable social-climber comments hardly shows they are afraid of Gerrard Tyrell.
November 16th, 2008 13:56
I just read your posts because I’m back and just had my sister on phone. I ‘m surprised of your posts and dont understand. Is it normal to think people said lies (mensonge, I think it’s the word). I was not obliged to post and I didnt known with whom to share without put my sister in a difficult position. I just check google france with the words “british and royalty”. It’ not so great to do that. So if I post something new You are going to bash me and analyse my post and decide it’s not true ? Im really sorry if you are all so spectical about simple things in life. That’s ok for me.
November 16th, 2008 14:01
Or they did go to the party and stayed over night. Got up the next morning and had breakfast with Charles & Camilla.
http://tinyurl.com/5etshe
Who is Sarah Nicolas? and what is she talking about?
November 16th, 2008 14:03
sarah, you shouldn’t take any scepticism personally but unfortunately it happens quite often that people claim to have “inside knowledge” and therefore some posters have become rather wary of posts like this.
As you can read, ked, says he heard Kate was in Dublin – whereas you say your sister saw her in Highgrove. So whom are we supposed to believe since not both of you can be right and there’s no media report backing either of your stories?
I for one like to hear what your sister told you though I as well remain cautious before I get my hopes up for Will and Kate.
November 16th, 2008 14:06
Rman, thanks for the link. Unfortunately the DM is the last paper I’d believe anything from. If they know what happend why did they not mention what the girls wore, how they had their hair done, make up?
November 16th, 2008 14:10
Just at the moment Rod Stewart confirms to Rock and Folk journalist on Canal + (interviewed) the presence of the two royal girlfriends (the first question of the journalist) and said he reforms his group (I missed the name) from the 17 november and play with them.
November 16th, 2008 14:11
Sarah, I’d like to hear what you have to say if there are any more updates. What you have to say is appreciated. It is all getting quite confusing at this stage!!
November 16th, 2008 14:12
Trixie, I think you are right — the Middletons and the Youngmans are probably considered equals as their money is self-made. Whereas George Percy and Ted Innes-Ker (Northumberland and Roxburghe heirs) and even Billy are considered part of the old guard.
For all we know, Pippa’s family might be richer then Billy’s, but we can probably assume the Middletons are not richer then the Duke of Roxburghe (80+ million pounds) or Northumberland (300+ million pounds) so at least with those last two, if Pippa dated them, she would have been marrying up both status-wise and financially speaking. Billy would be a step up status wise (by British standards) but no telling what their liquidity is.
We don’t know much about the Middletons financial status, either. Given the number of employees, they are considered a small family business, and I’d predict their income has been anywhere from $ 1-5 million per year after expenses but before taxes for at least the past 5 years. Just a guess, please don’t quote me on that.:)
What the DM is probably inferring is that Pippa has never been seen dating anyone who is not rich. While she certainly would have met a lot of these types at Marlborough/Edinburgh her track record in attracting well-off boys (given that she’s attractive but no great beauty and has a lowly job) it is somewhat remarkable. Lots of rich girls date the odd poor but handsome guy (or bad boy) sometime on their way to the alter. I don’t think Pippa will be doing that.
Also Trixie, you can often read “party planner/fashion house PR spokeswoman/society interior decorator” as someone who doesn’t have to work, but who is being supported by their parents whilst they scale the social ladder.
November 16th, 2008 14:16
The name of the groups is “Faces”.
And thank your sister.
November 16th, 2008 14:18
Please do not be offended sarah at all. Here at BRW we do analyse comments and new information very careful, mainly because we have been told inaccurate information before which we have believed and then felt hurt. Do not take it personally, people here are just very cautious. The information you have given us is very useful but do not feel obliged to tell us if you do not wish to.
Dagy: people are skeptical over whether either girl was there or not. We know that they would not invite one and not the other. I personally believe that both were there as the articles now seem sure whilst before they did not. This implies that they have had a confirmation by an unknown source.
I do not think that Kate’s Jewish roots have anything to with it. In fact as she is CoE, I doubt it matters at all what religion her ancestors were. I think the “taste of wealthy men” remark was just a subtle way of saying it, they did not want to call her a goldigger because that would be very insulting, therefore they just imply it. However, considering the status and wealth of all her previous boyfriends she does seem to prefer wealthy men but perhaps they are only the only people she mixes with, who knows?
Trixie: By fairly wealthy I think they are comparing him to someone like William who is very wealthy. The Middletons themselves have no real status in society. They have built their status on dating rich, upper class men. I am sorry that it is harsh but it is true. Even going to Marlborough would not have bought them as much as status as they have know. Kate and Pippa would have just become another girl who went to a posh private school if Kate had not dated PW.
I am offended though (for personal reasons) that you think just because a person works they obviously are not that wealthy. I work, my partner works and a lot of people who I know do yet none of us actually needs to, we work because we enjoy it and like to contribute to society and our country.
As for the social class status comment, Zara Phillips does not hold a title, does that make her the same status as Pippa? His family may not be the traditionally aristocracy so in terms of title and being part of the upper class they do not have a high social status. BUT they have mixed within those circles for much longer, have more connections and influence within the social class and therefore are of a higher social class. We much remember that there are many levels within each of the categories of social class, there is not just the lower, middle, upper middle and upper class. there are many different sections within each of those as class boundaries are no longer clear.
Kate and Pippa maybe millionaire daughters but compared to a lot of millionaires their family is not that rich. I would like to know how much of their wealth is actually in assets i.e. their home rather than real money.
November 16th, 2008 14:19
I do not know enough about Pippa’s “date track record” to say she never dated a “poor guy” – poor in a relative sense I am sure since “poor” people wouldn’t have attended Malborough or Edinburgh, get into Bouji or to a hunting party to meet Pippa.
I also wouldn’t be aware of any woman in William and Harry’s circle dating “below” her status. Has Chelsy ever been with a poor guy, Holly (though everyone is “poor” from her daddy’s pov), Isabella, Jecca? Why single out Pippa?
November 16th, 2008 14:24
Because Pippa’s family is one of the newest of the new rich. Chelsy’s parents were wealthy before she was born. Holly and Isabella were born into that circle and with that wealthy.
Pippa on the other hand has entered the circle due to going to Marlborough (which helped her meet the right people) and by her sister dating William (which helped her social status improved so she becomes a figue in society rather than someone on the sidelines).
November 16th, 2008 14:25
B it is sort of moot to debate “what if”. Obviously we would never have heard about either Middleton sister if it wasn’t for Kate’s relationship to William but that goes for many woman in his circle with the exception of Holly Branson maybe. That doesn’t mean that they may not have been dating the odd aristo guy anyways.
November 16th, 2008 14:33
Holly wasn’t born into wealth any more than Kate. Her daddy made his money just like the Middletons made theirs only that he made MUCH more of it then them.
I see we are back at the old debate that you have to have your family wealth for some decades before daring going anyhwere near an aristo. So it’s ok to date rich men when your family has been rich for centuries or daddy is a billionaire but if your parents are “new money” you have to date Joe the plummer or you’ll be called a social climber.
Either they are all snobs only dating rich guys (because they can) or they are all dating within their “circle” since they all obviously part of the same circle whether others may regard them as belonging to the same “class” or not. After all Kate apparently managed to get “in” with Wills circle rather easily to the point that they now date for about 5 years. Pippa moved in with aristo heirs at university before it was even known her sister was dating the heir to the throne. Maybe all those “classes” only exist in our heads because the young aristo set certainly doesn’t seem to obey the old “rules”.
November 16th, 2008 14:36
Last post of the day, Im feeling tired (I’m pregnant with a first child). So last news (please just believe). Camilla come to see the staff and the extra to say a few kind words to everyone and say thank you. Nobody else was around the time my sister was there this afternoon. Just a comment from my sister, Camilla is more pretty thant she used to think. And for the infos of the morning (I question her a lot, because it interest me, but not her, not in the same way as me), she thinks both girls are lovely, very smiling, etc… Maybe I post tomorrow morning. Bye for the day
November 16th, 2008 14:37
I never ever heard of Kate, Pippa, James or any member of the Middleton family mixing with those circles before Kate went to St Andrews and dated William, have you?
There are hundreds and hundreds of girls who have gone to Marlborough college and most of them get a very good education, meet some people who become social high but a majority do not end up dating members of the aristocracy. As I said above in terms of wealth, Kate and Pippa are from the new rich class. I know it sounds snobbish but we all know that the old rich like to marry the old rich and stay within their social class, which is why it is so difficult to enter their social circle. Kate and Pippa were close to people in that circle but I seriously doubt that either of them could have entered it in the manner that they have if Kate had not met PW.
November 16th, 2008 14:47
B, how many reports of Kate, Pippa and James’ friends before Kate dated William do you have? I have not seen a single one. Neither of us knows what their circle of friends looked like back then.
So does that mean William is not part of the “old rich” because he apparently didn’t think Kate “below” himself. Edward didn’t think Sophie” below” himself either and she’s not from old money. The same goes for Peter. Apparently this rule doesn’t apply to him either since he married Autumn despite of her “low” social status. As I said those “rules” may exist more in our heads as outsiders than they do in the members of the “upper class” concerned or at least in the heads of the Royals who are a class of their own anyways.
November 16th, 2008 14:47
Algal point taken however I did get excited when I read the post. I actually could see them being there. Sarah thank you for your post. Do not take the doubting seriously. It is not hopefully taken personally. Any information please pass it along. I am still keeping my fingers crossed for them.
November 16th, 2008 15:00
Of course William, Edward and Peter are from the old rich. They just fell in love with a woman and because they did it allowed those women to enter a class which they would probably have been unable to mix with as much as they now do. As I said above the fact that they were able to meet those men shows that they had the right connections but it is extremly unlikely that they would ever have been able to be part of the inner circle if the women had not dated William/Edward/Peter.
BTW: we have read articles which contain snippets about Kate’s friend before she met William. I’m not going to bother to find an example as I really don’t care that much tbh, but the implication behind them was that whilst Kate knew some people within that circle she was not part of the inner circle herself.
Trixie I was making a comment about HOW they managed to get into that circle and class not whether it was right or wrong. I never once said that Kate or Pippa should not be able to date and fall in love with someone richer or socially higher than them.
Congrats on your pregnancy. I am currently pregnant with my second child and am also beginning to feel tired. I think I shall also be going. Pregnancy really takes it out of me, does it to you? Congrats anyway.
Good bye and good night (morning)
November 16th, 2008 15:02
True Kat, after all, the public got to know that W&K where back last year thanks to a poster in IF.
November 16th, 2008 15:23
Yes Sarah, thank you for much for the information and anything more that you can tell of as to how William and Kate seemed towards each other would be much appreciated. Did they seem caring and affectionate towards each other? Did they spend much time together? Thank you
November 16th, 2008 15:40
By the way, have people seen the latest Daily Express article
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/71451/Middleton-camp-is-fighting-back-
This is now the 3rd daily express article in 3 weeks I think after a period with no news at all (& usually the Daily express doesn’t really focus on Royal stories). First the one saying that Kate had been “promoted”, 2nd the one about the Birkhall visit & now this one about how Kate’s mum is feeling at the moment & that PW’s friends are suggesting that he plays around. They are all “exclusives” & all rather “pro” the Middletons. I wonder whether they have a “leaker in the camp”?? & what it could mean.
When you read the 3rd of the 3 articles it does rather sound like the pre-emptive strike before a break up. Though the thing that doesn’t sound at all true is the bits about PW’s friends comments as alot of them I thought seem to be very friendly to Kate?? What do other people think?
November 16th, 2008 15:44
Has anyone read the comments in DM about the Pippa story? They are horrible and say that Kate is a goldigger, so to speak. I don’t think this would be happening if KM and PW were still together. The article is about Pippa and they still have throw in negative Kate comments. I would believe she was there at High is there where photos to prove it. Why not end all this speculation by releasing a photo of Kate if she was there? That’s because the RF does not want PW to look like a jerk for breaking up w/her again, so saying she there w/no photos makes him look like his a good guy for when then time comes and they have said their over. JMO.
November 16th, 2008 15:50
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1086210/Royal-fry-Charles-party-guests-recover-princes-60th-birthday-bash.html
According to Rebecca English, KM and CD where at the party and spent the night at Highgrove.
Around the table, which buzzed with lively chatter, with birthday boy was his wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, his sons, William and Harry, and their girlfriends, Kate Middleton and Chelsy Davy.
November 16th, 2008 15:52
Gracie, yes Katie Nicholl is a disgrace, Pippa works as a party planner, for all what we could know she is using the girl for every photo she appears with a friend as a boyfriend. Its obvious Pippa has connections, but why bother in still trying to destroy the reputation of the Middletons.
November 16th, 2008 15:59
H, I think there are probably some of PW friends that may truly like Kate, but there are those who might be nice to her in person but talk bad about her behind her back. It would not surprise me if some of PW snotty friends don’t think KM is good enough for a prince. But these people would probably feel that way about anyone who he dates. I guess we will find out who her true friends are if a break-up occurs. I do agree with you that the article sounds like they are hinting of a breakup. With PC parties over, I would think word would come out, but like Ked mentioned we might not hear anything until PW leaves for duty in Jan.
November 16th, 2008 16:16
I wonder if KM is planning to work/own at an art gallery in Dublin?
November 16th, 2008 16:18
Gracie, those comments will come no matter what. It’s just some expression from viewers that’s all. Not everyone think that way. William & Kate have a big fan base and people do like seeing them together. As we can see H a lot of William friends is Kate friends as well. They was there having fun at the Roller Disco, even the ones that wasn’t on the committee. The Middletons’ has had their share of bad press and talked about all the time. But all they can do is ignore it and if things get too out of hand, they will deny it. There’s a price to pay if your daughter is dating the heir to the throne but they manage to keep going and not worry about everything. You can’t worry about everything or else you would go crazy. I’m not worried about if she was there at the party beacuse we should just face it, if the girls was invited then they was there. That’s it. Now that we got Charles’s birthday out of the way, I’m looking forward to a sighting. I’m blocking out alot of speculation because non of it makes any sense and there is alot of rubbish going around. The media at times have a way of treating Kate and her family so unfairly at times for no reason at all, I’m mean some of this stuff just plucks my last nerve.
November 16th, 2008 16:27
Well,it has been an interesting day around here,hasn’t it? I find the posts by sarah Nicholas to be believeable but of course this is the internet so everything is to me taken with a grain of salt.
Alsgal you are very naughty but you did prove one thing I have always known and that is that it is very easy for one person to post under different names to promote an agenda.
Does Rebecca English really expect us to believe her tale of the breakfast table? Although very plausible and even likely,I can’t imagine how a staff member of the DM would know such facts. The DM as of today was still talking about the 60 gifts that Camilla gave to Charles for his birthday. The same 30 gifts that CH denied on it’s website days ago. It goes to show you how sloppy they are in the research and facts dept.
November 16th, 2008 16:29
Now Gracie I do agree with you that some of the friends may not like her but all that matters is that William likes her. But I don’t think anything is hinting on a breakup. Which you know must really gets on William & Kate’s last nerve too. Everytime you look up someone is talking about a breakup. I remember last year when they did breakup for awhlile. Everybody was saying that the relationship was over, finished and it just had simply ran it’s course. Then before you could blink your eyes, those two was right back at each others side. And appeared stronger than ever. Something happened this year to them. They took things to another level and she stood by him with a proud smile on her face while he was in training and while he got his wings. William & Kate is strong but many are still thinking that they are not. But the only ones can show you is them.
November 16th, 2008 16:31
Lisa I thought the samething, how would they know what they had for breakfast?
November 16th, 2008 16:32
gracie, people have been calling the Middletons social climbers ever since the break up last year and that label stuck. It is far too easy to apply for it to be removed easily especially because I believe there are many snobby aristocrats around who would make snarky remarks because they have their own relatives to promote for the crown.
I do not see how that indicates anything about the state of the relationship. How could CH stop people from having that opinion or the DM from posting those comments? I also don’t get why CH should release a picture of Kate at the party. They have not released any pictures form the Highgrove party and given that sarah sid Kate arrived on Friday already it would explain why she was not pictured arriving Saturday night with the other guests.
Had the paps gotten a pic of her, todays papers would be about nothing but her and Wills when it should be Charles’ weekend.
I do hope we get a clarification in the coming weeks/days though.
Does anyone know whether William will be at the Germany/England football match Wednesday?
November 16th, 2008 16:38
Rman,they wouldn’t. It’s all BS.
November 16th, 2008 17:01
If some of you need a laugh, here’s a good one:
http://tinyurl.com/62um69
“Feisty ‘Mail on Sunday’ diarist Katie Nicholl has a history of breaking stories about Kate Middleton and is, I hear, planning a book about her. Earlier this year she reported that Middleton has earned the moniker Waity Katie, as she does nothing but wait to marry. According to one ‘Mail’ colleague, that was Nicholl’s nickname before she got hitched.”
Katie Nicholl is reflecting herself onto Kate.
November 16th, 2008 17:10
Hello,
I’m speaking from memory but that Express story reads like the stories printed in April 2007.I think I even remember some of the paragraphs as sounding identical.
So for circulation and the absence of real news they dig it up and splash it out again.
I still think that they are all missing the real story happening under their noses. They are all so anxious to get a story especially to link up or break up PW and KM.
What they may well be missing is something that has been going on in ruling families throughout the ages. The fight between various members.
These days it is probably fought in a civilised manner without use of poison,sword or assassin and not for the crown or land. It is not even a ‘Greek’ type tragedy with siblings fighting over a female.
This is probably a lonely Prince fighting for the right to live his own life and marry his own love.
When you think about it and it’s perfectly feasible for ’seniors’ to try to influence a particular choice because of cetain implied sortcomings in a partner.
PW is basically shy and not very outgoing so finds it difficult to oppose his seniors but at the same time is very stubborn and may know what he wants.
Perhaps had he been more forthright in the past he may not have had to face this problem now.
Or…….. it’s difficult to really accept the possible right/wrong choice.
I hope he has the backbone to make that choice whichever way it goes and then be big enough to live wih it for 60+ years.
November 16th, 2008 17:11
I know when I read that, I was like OMG. So Katie Nicholl’s is the original Waity Katie. LOL.
November 16th, 2008 17:17
So it was a muesli and oatmeal breakfast then?
Rebecca English is one of the journos who also had Kate getting engaged for not one, not two but for the past three Christmases, so I guess we have to take her stories with a grain of salt as well.
Seriously so much of this tabloid stuff has been wrong that I guess we will all be guessing until we see either a picture of W&K coming out of Boujis together or we see them out and about dating other people.
My hunch is Kate was upset by the delay the SAR announcement caused, but that she quickly forgave William and is now willing to wait for the next 7 years or 60,000 miles, whichever comes first.
November 16th, 2008 17:21
Alsgal…
In terms of wear-and-tear I think Kate has far exceeded the 60,000 mile mark already!
November 16th, 2008 17:25
Great comment Ked. Fight William fight!!!
I wonder do Kate ever sit back and as herself how did I end up here? Diana always said that when she was just a child she knew something was coming her way. She didn’t know what it was nor when it would come but she knew something big was coming her way. So I wonder if Kate ever knew that something big like this would walk into her life.
November 16th, 2008 17:33
L, jmo but Kate’s beautiful complexion always reminds me of dew on the grass on the first day of spring, and she will continue to hold up well, I think. Her mother is a very youthful looking 64 and her sister also looks good for being in her late 20s, so going on genetics alone, Kate’s future is as bright as her gorgeous smile.
Has anyone noticed how bizarrely written the UK Press Association blurb on the Highgrove bashwas? It says Rod and Penny arrived at 5.25 pm for a twenty minute soundcheck “before Penny arrived by herself two hours later.” The blurb was accompanied by a picture of them arriving together. Huh?
November 16th, 2008 17:41
This is new…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/3468876/Over-60-and-still-sexy-The-question-for-Prince-Charles-and-Rod-Stewart.html
November 16th, 2008 17:55
I think that we can safely say that Kate was at the event.
Ked, I think that what you say makes alot of sense. I have to also say that it makes my heart sink when I think about it as I have been in a similarish kind of situation (he wasn’t a prince though!!) and in my case it did not have a happy ending. I would not wish this situation on anyone – especially since if PW does love her & gives in & gives her up, it will be unlikely to lead to happiness. There is always regret and also the danger that you re-kindle things later, hurting others.
ps. Before anyone runs for the Kleenex, I was fine, met a great guy now my husband – My ex Fiancee though ……
November 16th, 2008 17:56
Now I’m a huge fan of Rod’s and other than sailing, I love that song Have I Told You Lately and that party must have been filled with love when he sung that.
November 16th, 2008 17:59
Lisa, that is reassuring to know Mandrake says both girls were there, as Mandrake seems to get things correct more often than Katie Nicholl.
I firmly believe that Kate has chosen to hang on to William, and that she is simply waiting for him to grow up and get over the baggage he carries because of his parents marriage.
Five more years, and 20 Party Pieces catalogues later, he will finally commit.
We must all be patient.
November 16th, 2008 18:00
H, that’s why William & Kate is strong because in that world there is so much against you. That love is strong.
November 16th, 2008 18:01
Alsgal,I am confident that it won’t be 5 years. Hang in there!
November 16th, 2008 18:08
Right Alsgal, you hang on to the ones you love. Also I think William & Kate are very good friends which make their loving relationship work. But it’s just not her hanging on, it’s him as well. Lets be real here, they found something good.
November 16th, 2008 18:10
Lisa, my liver will not accomodate five more years of this stress-induced drinking, so let’s hope we are in the 18 month revamp plan instead.
W&C wedding in summer 2010, or I might need to change my Forum name to Sir Osis.
November 16th, 2008 18:12
Rman, that is so right. And we know that even though it looks like PW is putting his career ahead of his relationship with Kate, we have to accept that she is OK with that, and that he is OK with that.
November 16th, 2008 18:12
Right Lisa, something will come, we just have to be patient and not let all the gossip get to us, which happens from time to time.
November 16th, 2008 18:43
I just hope that if the pressure to not marry Kate is from BP/CH/Queen, that PC of all people would support PW because he knows better than anyone what life is like w/a woman you don’t love. So I would assume the pressure to not marry must be coming from other palace members. It sounds like PW chose this new change in his life unexpectedly and it was made by his own decision. So I can’t see PW being told he can’t marry because he has more training to do. So what kind of pressure is he under? It seems to me that he would not have made the decision he has made if he was to marry KM. How much more time does one need to decide if they are ready to marry, 13yrs? I suppose everyone is different, but I would say that is a pretty good stretch of time. Others will disagree with me, no doubt, but usually one knows w/in atleast a couple of years time if she is marriage material. Maybe the palace is putting pressure on PW to marry her? I would think the press attacks would have been limited if that was the case. So what is it, the pressure? The pressure to be a man, perhaps.
November 16th, 2008 19:06
I am sure PW has plenty of pressures in his life. We all do. He is a future King,thats in itself must be mindboggleing. I don’t think anybody in him family is pressuring him not to marry Kate . It is all nonsense if you think about it. This is the royal family we are talking about. I highly doubt anybody on any internet site knows what is going on with their personal lives, We all need to calm down, take a step back a look at this realistically. We don’t know their plans because it is their personal business and they are trying to keep it that way. No big conspiracy.
November 16th, 2008 20:01
You are right Lisa.
November 16th, 2008 21:56
Lisa,
You are absolutely right. I am going to back off from speculating about this relationship starting NOW. It is impossible to know what is really going on between PW and KM.
We only know what is comfirmed by CH, which isn’t much.
I am done!
November 16th, 2008 22:04
I’m rooting for them,I really am. I hope it works out and I think it will but I am going to try to not get sucked into all this internet blogger “inside information” BS. It makes your head spin in three directions. One day,hopefully soon,we will get a clear,accurate picture one way or another and we can speculate til the cows come home and it isn’t going to change the outcome. Goodnight all
November 16th, 2008 23:09
miscellaneous rambling thoughts:
last time i visited ‘royal anecdotes’, i left a very innocuous comment about the royals; i also mentioned how lucky we were here in the u.s. to have such a wonderful presidential candidate in Barack Obama.
well, my comments were never posted, so i concluded i was somehow banned. interesting.
i won’t ever visit that site again, since every bit of traffic helps the owner get revenue.
in any case, we’re ecstatically happy that Obama will be our 44th president! we’re so lucky to have such a wonderful man at the helm.
otherwise: it looks as if KM is seeking solace by going undercover.
the media has been so mean-spirited toward her; if the photos of her from that skating rink episode were bothersome, then how petty is that! granted, she probably shouldn’t have been captured in such a pose, but neither should she be pilloried for it.
so many of the comments about her in the media are just vicious.
and, as has been said here often, those nasty media comments call attention to pw’s failure or reluctance to defend km publicly.
it seemed such a stinging blow for km to suddenly learn of pw’s new career plans. there would have to have been a major counterveiling move on pw’s part to blunt that shock and public moritification, yet nothing was forthcoming.
so….on the one hand, i hope pw proposes, since that would probably make km happy at this point in her life.
on the other hand, i tend to think she could do so much better; she could marry a more mature, caring and decent fellow, who would treat her well both short and long term.
so….
November 17th, 2008 01:33
Hello; it’s 06.50am in Paris, very early for me. if you prefer me not to post anymore, just ask, but please dont say BS of what I say, it’s not nice and I see no reason not to believe me. You known Lisa life is certainly more simple than you think. There will always be people who are witness of unexpected things (perhaps you have friends yourself who one day told you, oh I saw X in the street, or I meet X at the shop). It was just the same way it happens for my sister. She works partime for an evenementiel group (??? who organise events in the region of cirencester). she just was selected on wednesday afternoon. I dont follow royalty but I had to speak to someone, in france my friends were not very interested but it’s normal (of course they asked questions to me/my sister, my family too, it’s the human nature to be curious, but I didnt feel a real interest). So yesterday at 11hpm (paris hour) I finally had an email from my sister (an answer to an email I address her at 06pm and concentrated on the boys and the girls because it’s your interest). For me it’s a little bit different because what really interested me was the decoration, the house, the kitchen, the people working here, the prince of wales (how is he, very old fashioned or not… things like that). So for william and harry they were very in love with their girlfriends, chelsy was finally confortable during the evening (I know she told me she was not yesterday morning), both boys presents their girlfriend when needed, the prince of wales seems to like very very much both girls who seems perfectly at ease with him and with the duchess and be part of the family (my sister observe a lot because she stays “on guard” in the dining room without anything to do, I dont know how to explain). Both girls were at the same table as William and Harry (but william and harry were at separate tables). Another member of the team my sister works for, saw charles in great conversation with kate and william on friday night and there was a lot a smiles and laughs. The prince seems quite happy with the two girls. Kate and Chelsy spend a lot of time with Zara and Béatrice and chat a lot. Béatrice wears a lovely “coiffure” and is (my sister said) really pretty but short compare to Kate and Chelsy. Zara took both girls in her arms and is very “touchy”. Kate and Béatrice seems at a moment to speak about theirs hair (she could’nt hear the conversation, but the gesture explain it was probably that). there was a photographer who took shots of everyone (just one man) dressed like a guest. William forced kate to have their photo(she has a cold and wears something on the shoulders) and harry was teasing them during the shoot. Then harry and chelsy did the same.Kate and Chelsy at one moment stay at tables and Chelsy leaves hers to sit at william and kate’one and speak to kate and Béatrice joined them. Very animated conversation the girls laughts a lot. The boys were away at this moment. William and Harry speaks a few words (essentially William) for their father at the beginning of the diner. so do Camilla (two/three words for her).
I have others infos but I have to prepare myself (I work for some weeks again). So I can’t post before tonight. My sister has a good memory and is collecting infos from others people of her company. Bye
November 17th, 2008 01:48
Well it do sound good Sarah. Can’t wait to hear more.
November 17th, 2008 03:41
Sarah, thank you for the information and the insider view! I hope you told your sister we thank her as well. What you tell us is fascinating, and very interesting.
I look forward to reading about the info your sister has from the other people in her company.
Have a nice day!
November 17th, 2008 04:44
sarah Nicholas,please don’t be offended by my comments. I assure you I was not suggesting your information specifically was BS. In fact if you refer back to my first post yesterday evening I stated I found your information to be believable. My frustration was/is more with certain tabloid papers that some bloggers feed off of to drive their own agenda. I appreciate your efforts and hope you will continue to join us here.
November 17th, 2008 05:45
Here’s another link to the arrival pics. You can enlarge those. I LOVE Zara’s earrings.
http://tinyurl.com/5sbq23
November 17th, 2008 06:19
Trixie thank you, I love Sophie’s dress, it looks beautiful. i wish that we could see more of the dresses.
November 17th, 2008 07:42
Oh wow Sophie’s dress is super elegant, how beautifull. Zara looks really nice too.
November 17th, 2008 07:57
Where is Mike Tindall?
November 17th, 2008 08:13
Oiled up in boxers
November 17th, 2008 08:18
Sarah, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE SCUTTLEBUTT, but please be careful and don’t get your sister found out, because she wouldn’t work in that line of business again!
November 17th, 2008 09:34
So, this weekend only proved one thing and it’s that it’s the same old, same old.
My predictions:
December we will see one picture of W&K coming out of a strange eatery in London that specialises in Iguana Head Soup and Kate will be smiling ear to ear, although William, dressed in a blue shirt, will look annoyed at the paps.
Later in December we will see a blurry picture of Kate walking behind William at Sandringham carrying a dead something or another. Kate will be smiling and looking blissfully happy and comfortable in her surroundings, not unsurprising to veteran Kate watchers as few others are aware of the fact the Party Pieces actually started in 1984 as Pheasant Pieces, but after a guest in the Sony Japan group inadvertently shot one of their neighbors during a Glorious Twelfth shoot on the Bucklebury estate, they lost their operating license. William will, of course, look annoyed at the paps.
End of January will find the Middletons celebrating Carole’s birthday, all looking ecstatically happy, save for Mr. Middleton of course, who will appear concerned by PP’s rising inventory levels and the failure of their line of “Circumcision Circus” accessories designed to help fellow party members at little Sam or Jake’s bris forget that they are there to see Junior get his pecker snipped.
February will find Kate and William in the Alps, Kate smiling radiantly and William dressed as a bank robber, looking annoyed at the paps.
March will find the young couple headed off to Mustique again, where, despite not knowing the villa’s owner, chatelaine Lula Belle has nonetheless felt secure enough in their relationship to have handed over the keys in return for some good publicity and a verbal promise not to repeat last year’s Loo Incident.
Kate will be snapped on a boat smiling, and William, wearing jalapeno pepper swim trucks, will look annopyed at the paps.
April, we will find BRW members drinking heavily out of frustration that spring has come, there was no engagement, and everyone has realised 2009 will be no different than 2008,2007,2006, and 2005 were. No one will be surprised to read in Mandrake that William remains hestitant to marry at this time despite loving Kate deeply, and that is fine with Kate, as she is not yet ready to have babies, and is perfectly content to photograph cupcakes for at least the next 8 years, if not longer.
November 17th, 2008 09:45
It’s interesting reading John’s last comment on RA – he has moved on from his “bolting bloke” position, even he is now hedging his bets either way. I don’t think that anyone really has a clue at this stage but given they were together at Birkhall and now at Highgrove at least they seem to be together still & hopefully by what Sarah says, happy. As Lisa, says we will just have to be patient
Me, I’m just trying not to imagine Mike Tindell oiled up in his boxers & a dickie bow!! Given that Mike, Beatrice’s boyfriend & Gabriella Windsor’s & Tara’s boyfriends were not there may mean that (unmarried) partners were not invited?? – except Kate & Chelsy
November 17th, 2008 09:46
alsgal,
No way. From January 2009 the next 12 to 18 months PW will be lucky to get four weeks and every 6th weekend off.
November 17th, 2008 09:49
Asgal, I’ve just read your post, laughing – the scary thing is that you will probably be right, though I think that she has been promoted from teacake duty!!
November 17th, 2008 09:55
alsgal, I love your sense of humour but like H I guess your “prediction” isn’t very far from the truth though I would be surprised if William got quite as much vacation time next year as he did this year.
Lucky me I won’t be disappointed because I don’t expect an engagement before winter 2009/spring 2010 anyways. If it doesn’t come THEN I’ll be disappointed.
November 17th, 2008 10:19
The next 18 months PW will be in trainning, this means monday to friday, if the training course is completed successfully, then he will be the next 36 months (after those 18 months training) working like any other military with weekend shifts, possibly months without seeing his own family or Kate. But during training course, his weekends will still be free, other then the special permissions to carry out royal duties. Info: PoW website.
November 17th, 2008 10:25
Same goes for the 4 month trial training course test that Prince Harry will be doing to go on further to the next level of training if he passes. In Harry’s case, he might NEED to study during his free weekends, since the course seems to be extremely difficult (an expected 13 hours a day from monday to friday, brain fryer). Maybe he will do the contrary, release the stress during the weekends with Chelsy or not – bookworm study all the components of the fighter helicopters he is willing to challenge.
November 17th, 2008 10:37
wow, cool thanks for the inside-scoop sarah!
maybe we could start an “official” were everybody can guess when an engagement will be announced… i think winter 2009/2010! with a wedding in late summer 2010. that way they would be able to have a couple of kids while they would still be out of london and most of the paps.
anyone else?
November 17th, 2008 10:44
Alsgal, I am assuming that your name is Phyllis by day and at night your stage name Alsgal? “Circumcision Circus” is a great idea and I think you might give Donald Trump some ideas for the next season of the Apprentice. Who could pass up a pecker party?
November 17th, 2008 11:03
If you believe in Tarot readings, over at IF it says that w/in the next 6mo PW should take care of his health and not put himself into any dangerous situations as an accident may occur. I am still shocked at the fact they are letting PW take on more pilot training w/the risks it envolves and him being so close to the throne.
November 17th, 2008 11:33
I have another tarot reading with KM coordinates and something big is going to happen to her life, coordinates are longitude/latitude, place and estimated time of birth. Related to William’s tarot, his sign and hers are a perfect match.
I don’t follow astrology that much, but I read out of curiosity.
November 17th, 2008 11:34
Dearest Gracie, Phyllis is actually my stripper name but you are welcome to call me whatever you want
I am also having a hard time understanding why they are allowing a childless PW and PH to undertake such a dangerous profession.
Why then bother paying for the Royal Protection service? It makes no sense.
Can’t say I know much about Tarot readings (tea leaves and “reading” the bird excrement on my husband’s truck windshield are my preferred forms of forecasting) but that is worrisome.
I somehow think despite the supposedly rigorous training, PW will manage to attend lots of parties in various barracks across the UK with Kate dressed as Nurse Naughty, so I just don’t see much changing as far as them getting to see each other on the weekends. As I’ve said all along, the only thing that will change is that it will more of a problem to get Kate to wherever William is training. Let’s hope PW throws in a few gas cards into Kate’s gift bag along with the costume earrings this Christmas.
November 17th, 2008 11:43
Maybe Woman’s Day had a point and William will not remain childless for long
I guess as long as he doesn’t use RAF helicopter to get to Kate, William will be fine.
November 17th, 2008 11:47
Sarah, thank you for the effort of giving us every bit of information. And please don’t feel bad that people will naturally feel suspicious. I enjoy reading your posts, and would love more information… anything more… such as did anyone dance? How would your sister say William, Harry, Kate and Chelsy are as people? Are they friendly to the servants/workers? Anything would be nice.
November 17th, 2008 11:47
Oh man you guys make me laugh too peee.
November 17th, 2008 11:56
Someone mentioned tarot therefore I want to reveal that I dreamt Will and Kate’s engagement interview last night – and I saw THE RING – very pretty and colourful with a huge yellow diamond. In my dream Kate had actually done her PhD all this time … I guess I spend too much time online looking for W&K info over the weekend
November 17th, 2008 12:01
Alsgal, I swear I could have seen you before on the the Las Vegas strip! If I remember correctly you were straddling a rhinestone gun w/ a cowboy hat and pasty’s on? Oh wait, that was Dita von Teese, sorry for the mistake.
I am wondering if no KM sightings could possibly mean a bun is in the oven? I think the longer she goes w/o being photo, that will be a possiblty for some. I can see her lying low to help her PR, so no clubbing etc. But what about just going to the grocery store or to the theatre or something.
November 17th, 2008 12:02
Me,
I understand that the shortage of S and R helicopters and trained instructors means that most of the training is ‘on the job’.
This means serving in operational units and acting as observers , winch men , load masters and general utility duties as well as classroom and study.
This means that away from lectures ,practical training is on ‘watch’ time, and is very hectic and time consuming.
Add that to the remoteness of the stations , the scrutiny of unauthorised flights and PW may find himself confined in a way that he has not been used to during his service so far when his leave time seems to have been most generous.
This is not playing soldiers this is real service.
November 17th, 2008 12:08
gracie, there would not be much point for Kate to “hide” within the first months of a pregnancy would there? It only shows after about 3-4 months and then shecouldn’t possibly go mia for half a year and then suddnely return with a baby…
No it is rather obvious that the photo blackout started after the pictures of her driving in Berkshire which looked like she had been pursued by paps by car. I assume either her or CH took legal action about those so that she’s now left alone. She was never pictured “grocerie shopping” in Berkshire anyways as far as I remember…
ked, I guess you are right William will probably not have the generous 6 weeks of holidays he enjoyed this year – not if he really takes this seríously and then one or two weeks are already reserved for attending Jecca’s wedding in Kenya I am sure.
November 17th, 2008 12:10
I just rewrote with my wording what I read from the POW site related to PW 18 month training.
But, I did read from the RAF page that all training of the different aircrafts have sufficient material to be used for such purpose, nothing more or less is taken away for warfare. The military will always want more budget on their side, its up to government to approve. Many military bloggers whine about their equipments with the actual afgan and Irak versus what the US have, from basic uniform and high tech state of the art accessories, the US may monitor their team while on a mision, UK on the other side lack.
November 17th, 2008 12:53
Trixie,
I am not sure of your response.
Is it sarcasm or realism.
By the way do you know when that is?
November 17th, 2008 12:55
Hi, to clarify, my sister is not part of the prince of wales staff, she was acting as a temporary worker (she works part time for a company 1 who provides salaried ??? to another company 2 when it needed extra staff. And this time it was for the special evening. But in one year its the first time she works for the company 2.) She makes a commitment to reveal no infos, knowledge which could carried damages. But I suppose the infos I gave hurt nobody and were just kind words and were not send to the press. She was not totally ok with me, but it’s done. In fact she is creating a company (chinese take away) with a colleague (from vietnam) who was too at the evening. They left the Temporary company mid-december. For the moment they work and follow accounting lessons (?). Now last news because after I’ll have nothing else to expect : Gabriella was at william’s table and she dance a rock with kate (2 girls), and kate with william (william and harry are bizarre dancers said X). Chelsy dance too and is quite good, she dances alone and with harry, zara, a lot of pop music. The girls were quite good, composed, very polite. kate seemed to have already met some personalities who were present, this is to explain why she felt at ease faster than chelsy. I asked if it seems there was problem between Kate and William and both my sister and X said that would amaze them because they really seem in love, like harry and chelsy (my sister said william speaks with his hands to control the shyness). I have to prepar the diner. So bye for the moment
November 17th, 2008 13:02
ked, my comment was meant tongue-in-cheek since I do not know when Jecca marries or where for that matter. Since her fiancé is of aristocratic British background as I understand, they may very well marry in the UK. And spring is just a very likely time for a wedding… Given that he even travelled to Kenya for Jecca’s brothers wedding I bet that William will be there no matter where or when Jecca ties the know. All I know for sure though is that she is engaged.
thanks, sarah
November 17th, 2008 14:02
Trixie,
Are you sure PW was in Kenya ?
Who was driving the Audi sports when with PH in Passanger seat night before PP wedding.
Reported to police. No action
Guess who ?
November 17th, 2008 14:28
Ked,
I am suddenly confused – not hard feat. But, are you implying that Prince William was in England, but purposely did not attend Philip’s wedding?
November 17th, 2008 14:32
OK. Let’s say William loves Kate and wants to marry her eventually, just not now.
Let’s agree KM must also want to marry PW, or she wouldn’t have had much of an incentive to put up with being second third or fourth fiddle in his life for so long. (I am basing this on the Belle Robinson interview, William’s inability to provide a private security guard for Kate despite his access to immense wealth, and his refusal to even publicly acknowledge KM as his GF, which is based on the fact that at every major event — Sandhurst, weddings — it could also be argued that there were lots of his other friends around as well so theoretically she could be just a female friend.)
Does anyone believe Kate really likes having her and her family’s named dragged through the mud during PW’s self-imposed wait, though?
Does anyone sincerely believe she REALLY wants to wait to get married only when she’s ready to have babies, and in the meantime prefers being unable to commit to a career and not being able to make a home for them, which has essentially resulted in her living in a state of delayed adolescence at her parents house?
I believe in the tooth fairy before I’ll believe that.
So, let’s look at this from another POV. Is PW truly the kind of guy a regular girl would want to marry since he doesn’t seem to give a damn about what he is putting his supposedly beloved GF through? That his needs, wants, career, fears and desires are obviously coming before those of Kate’s?
Kate has already become a bit of a joke for having waited so long for him to propose, and I can’t imagine another 18 months will help that.
Just makes me wonder why he is so hesitant that he is willing have the repuation of his GF destroyed while he takes his sweet time making up his mind.
November 17th, 2008 14:36
I’m even more confused — who the heck ins Philip?
November 17th, 2008 15:00
Alsgal – Sorry, I meant Peter Philip-
Ked, are you implying Prince William wasn’t in Kenya the day of the wedding???
November 17th, 2008 15:12
Alsgal
I am dying laughing right now. I haven’t laughed so much in ages. Seriously you should if you are not arleady be a writer or something!!
I don’t think KM likes hers or her families name dragged through the mud at all. All I can think of right now is that there is some sort of plan in place which she has been made aware of one way or another. Either they will get married in the year x or you can hang out if you want to but this is not going anywhere so take it or leave it.
Those are really the only two options & who knows how long it will be before we know the answer.
Trixie I agree there would be no point in her hiding if she was pregnant. If she really was they would have needed to have moved her outside of England somewhere remote to keep that quiet.
That story is worth too much to too many people someone would have leaked it for real by now. Receptionist at doctors office, Ultrasound tech the list goes on (unless they were like Tom Cruise and bought an Ultra sound into the house for private viewings). The amount of money that exclusive would bring would be astronomical….
November 17th, 2008 15:43
alsgal, if Kate has become a joke to some that’s due to her own decisions. Noone forces her to “delay” any career. She is free to work wherever she choses. As we have learned over tha last months the paps don’t follow her everywhere. She is only “hunted” in London. A job anywhere else would have posed zero problems. And it’s not like she ever TRIED having a career since I guess we all agree that the parttime employment at Jigsaw was hardly a career choice. She could also go to college study international relations, languages, politics – things that may help her later in her “job” as Princess. That she lives at home with mommy and daddy and works for their firm is her decision. While I personally see it as a good choice, I don’t see it as the only one she had. So if others make fun of her for it, she has to live with that just like she has to live with the consequences of any decision she makes in life and just like William has to live with being called a selfish ditherer by some for the decision HE made. William will probably never have the chance to live any dreams of his own because of the role he was born into. His whole life is pretty much mapped out for him. I cannot blame him for fulfilling at least that ONE dream of his – to become a pilot. And given that I think Kate is a loving g/f, who comes from a family of pilots I cannot imagine that she begrudges him his dream either.
November 17th, 2008 15:45
The probability might be low that KM is, but as I have said before all you have to do is look at the history of the RF and see a many of wives, girlfriends have had babies-they go into hiding, leave the country, have the baby and no one knows. I am not saying this is what is going on, I am merely stating that it does and can happen.
I agree with Alsgal, I can’t imagine why PW would want KM to endure more speculation and redicule from the press while he goes to train. If he has not taken that into consideration than he is not a kind man. I also have to wonder why KM would be happy with this type of treatment or situation. Is it all about the title of does she have low self-esteem?
November 17th, 2008 15:52
As far as I know there was never any evidence that William was in kenya for a wedding during Peters wedding. I think he stayed away for two reasons. One because he did not want the press to exploit his and Kate’s appearance and secondly because Kate would have to sit apart from him in church. JMO. I think he was in the UK the whole time. No way he was going to show up there and have the Hello make tons on $$$ on him and Kate. JMO.
November 17th, 2008 15:59
Why not simply ask Kate (and Chelsy) to stay at home if he didn’t want Hello to make big bucks from the pics? Why snubb Peter’s wedding altogether and look suspicious because of the rumours about him going to Kenya alone? No I think he was indeed at Jecca’s brother’s wedding. That story is far too crazy for a tabloid to make it up.
They have creative minds but they are not THAT creative.
November 17th, 2008 17:01
Somewhat off topic but I see there are new health concerns about the self-tanning drug Melanotan, which in addition to turning the pigment darker in the skin, reduces the appetite. I wonder if somebody’s sister takes this?
Trixie, I am also of the mind PW was in Kenya — why wouldn’t he go to his favorite cousin’s wedding, and if he was so afraid of the Hello coverage, why would he send Kate?
November 17th, 2008 17:24
Excellent post Trixie!
William only gets one chance at doing something which he wants, why should he not be allowed to take that chance even if it means, god forbid, everyone has to wait a while for them to marry (if they ever do)?
I have said the same thing so many times and I feel so relieved that someone is also saying it. Kate is 26 years old and can make her own decisions. She is an adult and should live with the consequences.
I have also asked why she could not work outside of London as well. It seems to me that the only time she was followed was when she went into very public areas.
November 17th, 2008 17:27
Chelsy sat apart from the RF as well in the church and Harry did not have a problem. I very much doubt that he did not go because of the seating arrangements. He should know by now that as a royal he could not sit with his girlfriend and had to sit with the other royals. He must be mature enough to realize that now.
November 17th, 2008 17:38
If in fact William was in the country at the time of Peter Phillips wedding, but did not attend, there could be any number of reasons why not. Why throw that out now? Do you think that has any relationship to the discussion?
November 17th, 2008 17:44
Hello,
I mentioned a day or so ago that slowly but surely KM’s popularity and even reputation was being eroded before our very eyes. I also said, I think that this was happening in the populace at large and also, of all places on BRW.
Just read the last dozen or so comments then think back and ponder , would you have made derogatory statements like that even a few months ago.
So again I say it who has won ? CH/BP ? Most definitely the plan has worked and is still working. Where there is a throne at stake anything and everything is allowed. See “Queen Camilla” and note the steps taken even against family members. There is but one loyalty and there a people in position to ensure compliance.
Think back to the Kenya reports . Jecca’s family in Kenya is well known and very influential and on land owned compare with the large ducal estates in the UK. On top of that the heir to the throne of ‘mother’ Great Britain is in attendance.
No wedding reports?
At least three UK tabloids and The Times reportedly sent experienced investigative journalists and big $’s to Kenya and found what ? Not a peep, not a photograph, not a stolen mobile snap.
Wedding ? What wedding ?
This of course may just be a figment of an active mind or is it ?
November 17th, 2008 17:56
OK, I think I am beginning to see your point, but I am not sure.
True, there was no official confirmation that PW was in Kenya at the time of PP’s wedding. So, let’s assume he wasn’t and in fact there was no wedding. This suggests that someone is engaging in a sophisticated disinformation campaign. For what purpose? Your implication seems to be that it is to undermine public opinion as to KM. How? That would only work if the public knew that PW was not in fact in Kenya and stayed away deliberately, and would require PW’s cooperation. Sorry, I don’t buy it.
November 17th, 2008 19:00
Well I don’t remember ever seeing any photographs of William in Kenya? Does anyone else. I mean they live on a huge estate in the middle of nowhere it’s pretty much like Highgrove i.e. private land if you are not supposed to be there you are going to get into trouble. Or let look at Mystique. There were alot of people on that Island and the only pictures that usually get out are the ones on the water. In a private wedding on private land no reason that William should have been photographed at all.
The only reason I can see William not wanting to go to Peter’s wedding was because of the Hello involvement. BUT that point is mooted because the Queen was there and if she can get photographed at their wedding then who the heck is William.
November 17th, 2008 19:09
Ked, since this alsgal is not the sharpest knife in the drawer so would you mind explaining what you mean? Were you implying that this was done to discredit Kate, as Phoebe speculated? Why miss going to his cousins wedding in order to do that? Surely there are easier ways, and ones that don’t involve dicrediting himself while he’s at it (the Chinook Taxi Service)?
Anyhoo, getting back to what’s next for our two lovebirds, even if Kate was at Highgrove and William was all over her like a tick on a Labrador retriever, does that mean anything has changed?
Owing to last year’s dumping and the sheer duration of the “will they/won’t they” speculation many in the UK now seem convinced PW is reluctant to marry Kate. Many of these same people people think she is not a hard worker, and everyone else either does not know much about her, or don’t really care.
Even if they get it together and get married in the summer of 2010, at this point, the reaction from certain parts of the public and most of the press will likely be that of, big whoop, what took them so long?
The perception of PW dithering certainly has killed any sort of pure maiden fairytale aspect they were hoping for — that and the short dresses and constant tales in a few of the tabs of the Middletons social climbing. Seeing Kate accompanied by a sullen or drunken looking PW (even if it’s the paps he’s upset with) in most of the photos we’ve seen of them together has done little to dispel the suspicion that she has caught him, and not the other way around.
Miguel Head needs to get going on repackaging this fairytale and pronto IMO.
November 17th, 2008 19:13
Phoebe
Sorry, two different aims which I put into the same post.
The first part is the gradual erosion of KM’s popularity and the attempt to renew PW’s which he partly ruined with his helicopter capers.
The Kenya part was I think as a result of a “misunderstanding” at the PP’s stag night and PW needed a reason not to attend the wedding.
If it was because of Hello involvement he should know by now, like PC found out, that it is the female of the species who attract the largest number of photographers.
Of course it could have been some secret military operation he had to attend.
I think Jecca’s brother did get married to a lady of Welsh (I think) extraction but I believe dates did not coincide with PW’s absence .
November 17th, 2008 19:27
Alsgal, totally agree. When this incident happened I formed the opinion that PW did not go because he and Peter had some type of falling out during/over what happened at the stag party. PW PR team hatched up this Kenya wedding, w/no photos, no follow up, etc. I am sure Kate was not pleased PW did not attend w/her, but she looked like she had a good time anyway. What bothers me more is why she continues to except his behavior towards her?
November 17th, 2008 19:30
Ked, what is KM doing in Dublin? Does she have family there?
November 17th, 2008 19:31
I find the secret military operation most credible. We know he was in a war zone at some point, and what would be the best time but when the world is focused on a royal wedding at which he is expected to be present?
As far as eroding KM’s popularity, I am not convinced that her star was ever that high. I think aside from a small percentage who think she is great, and a small percentage who think she is not so great, there is a vast middle who couldn’t care less. And that has always been the case, from the first time that her picture was splashed across the cover of the tabs (Remember “Kiss Me Kate”?)
November 17th, 2008 20:33
If the goal here has been the erosion of Kate, and the glorification of William, the exact opposite will be the result. If William was not in Kenya, and let’s just say, had a “falling out” with Peter Philip, he is cad at best. An honrable person would never do that to their cousin; not to mention leaving his girlfriend to fend for herself. If any of this story is remotely true, I must say William has grown into his father’s son, sadly.
I personally love and buy the whole fairytale of Kate and Williams meeting, but I will say it is getting stale at this point.
November 17th, 2008 22:29
Why would Ingrid Seward say in an interview a few months ago, “If Kate wants William, she will get him?” What does that mean? That implies that it’s all Kate’s decision.
November 17th, 2008 22:42
jane why don’t you write to Ingrid Stewart and ask her to elaborate on her comment?
It may be Kate’s decision as it is Kate whose life will be surrendered to the royal family and to the public if she marries William. Not an easy decision by any means. Additionally and children she bears will be children of a monarch,which carries a huge responsibility,lack of privacy and the same loss of freedom Prince William experiences. In reality,it is really not about a title and a tiara as so many think.
November 18th, 2008 02:00
Why do some insist only Kate’s reputation has suffered during the last months? What about William? He hardly looks like a Golden Boy with all the stories about his useless lazy girlfriend who acts like a royal doormat and party girl and is a desperate social climber (press words not my opinion), the helicopter incident etc? You make it sound like William comes out as the shining star in all of this and he simply doesn’t. If CH/BP was behind Kate’s degrading popularity – and I firmly believe they are not because many accusations against her are based on her own decisions – they managed to ruin the Golden Boy on the way. So whom does the decrease in both William’s and Kate’s reputation serve? Not William. So one may at most see this as part of a campaign to promote Charles whose reputation has increased in relation to his eldest son – but then it would have nothing to do with Kate but was directed against William and Kate is just the weakest link to attack…
However, I think I posted before that the decrease of her popularity started when she went on party girl mode after the break up and was not seen pursuing any goal in her life (that we know of). Since she is the only royal girlfriend doing so I also don’t believe the stories saying CH advised her to this respect or at least she was the only one guillable enough to listen to apparently useless advise.
November 18th, 2008 02:39
That is what I have been saying for months Trixie.
People always make it seem like it is always William’s fault that Kate has suffered over the past few months. Well, a bad rep for his girlfriend does not give him a good one. If Kate did not like what was going on, she would have done something, simple as that.
In ref to Ingrid Steward, whilst she maybe right many times I don’t think anybody has a clue what Kate and William are doing at the moment and to a large extent, I don’t think they do either.
November 18th, 2008 09:02
B, I agree w/ your points and even Ingrid seems to be at a loss as to what will happen next — just go take a peek online at Majesty Magazine and read her Editor’s Letter for this month. Sounds like she doesn’t know what’s coming either.
I’m happy to say that, at least through my interpretive reading of the almost blizzard like amount of bird excrement on Big Al’s windshield, I do know what’s coming.
Kate is going to stick beside William.
I must say that crystal ball gazing aside, we can all see merely going by her past behavior, that Kate has shown she is ready, willing, and able to put up with anything PW sends her way or leaves her to deal with. What motivates her to do that, when mere mortals would have told Prince Bill to take a hike, a really long hike, I do not know.
I’m even willing to bet my motorised stairlift that despite the occasional and gentle “wtf do you mean, a six year commission?!” protest, she will gladly wait, whether that’s another 18 months, 7 years, 13 years, etc. Just however long it’s going to take, Kate will wait.
November 18th, 2008 09:07
This is all so crazy!! Do you really think PW would go to all that trouble just to make the public dislike KM so he can leave the relationship looking good???? This is insane. Who knows why PW didn’t go to PP wedding, maybe he didnt’ want anymore press about the stag party – becuase you know they would have brought that up. But this whole garbage about PW trying to get out of the relationship w/KM and worried about what the public will say is total rubbish. I think if PW wanted out he would leave – so he might get bad press for about a week, big deal. Then off to a new girl and the press would be all over that and forget about KM. I think PW & KM have plans and we are so eager for them that everyone is letting their minds go crazy!
November 18th, 2008 09:23
Since KM has been out of the picture he has managed to endure bad press w/o her help. I do agree with B that KM bad press reflects on PW, but he has no excuses or his PR team when KM is in the shadows. So the press can’t blame her for his actions.