Prince William and his girlfriend, Kate Middleton, have been left off the alumni list at St Andrews University’s new £2million museum.
Peter Pan author J.M. Barrie, actor John Cleese, and Olympic champion Chris Hoy, have all made the list.
But a spokeswoman said there are no plans to add the Prince’s name to the alumni list. She said: “They are not part of the museum nor are there any plans at present to include them.”
Prince William left St Andrews in 2005 after four years of study with a 2:I in geography, making him the most successful of only three royal graduates in history after his father and uncle, Prince Edward, who both achieved 2:IIs at Cambridge.
The Prince met Ms Middleton at St Andrews in 2001 and the couple officially became an item in 2003. They separated last year but were later reconciled.
The university is the oldest in Scotland and third oldest in the English-speaking world. It was founded between 1410 and 1413. The number of applications to the university doubled in the year that the Prince joined. (via The Telegraph)
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Could anyone find an explanation why they didn’t include William? Is that just Scottish snubbery against the English or did they state any reason? I can sort of understand why Kate wouldn’t be included. She has not (yet) achieved anything remarkable in her life and is not a public persona in her own right either but why was William left off? He is the future King after all and brought much more attention to SA than the other alumni together.
Prince William might have requested it for himself and on behalf of his girlfriend??? Mystery.
Turkey is basting and I’m sneaking a piece of pie! HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!
I could sort of understand if they only included alumni who excelled in their respective profession. Since neither William nor Kate have (yet) achieved much in that area but if they only included “famous” alumni’s then I see no reason why those two should be left off the list since it is undeniable that they are the two best known students SA ever had.
All those in the list have donated money
I am surprised that PW/PC have not donated money to SA. I can understand that maybe the others have garnered more respect for the works they have done, but what school would not be honored to have a prince attend it? Unless, like Guest stated maybe he did not want to be included on the list.
I’m not surprised, how posh and uppity a private university to spend 2 Million pounds in the making of a museum. I’m not against it, nice to walk it, but I’m sure William has other priorities that are already mapped out for him.
Maybe when he becomes King, Saint Andrews will include him in for sure.
One day perhaps years later, Prince William may be included, since he will be King.
I see no reason on earth why Kate Middleton should be included, one of her first and most famous photos out of the University is in underwear!
She is famous for what at St. Andrews, living with, dating the future King. She has not even used her degree at all, she has quit the one job she had, there is not much to accolade except keeping William the future King interested for five years and if he does not marry her, what has she accomplished in her own right. She basically keeps company of the future King, not much more to her.
in underwear and guess what for CHARITY organized yearly by SAINT ANDREWS
Her only real claim to fame is keeing the Prince interested for years and years, she hasn’t done a thing with her education or her degree. Her most famous photo out the University is in undies, even if it was charitable.
I think she wants the crown, and rather badly, at that.
I find it curious why paps are waiting at places that PM attends. I am wondering if she does not call the paps/someone else ahead of time. They have been doing it in Hollywood for years. It just seems odd that KM is in hiding and no paps get photos of her, but they get photos of her sister? If she and PW are still together and KM is lying low to help her image, than PM being photo’d makes some wonder if all the stuff about the Midds tipping the press off could be true or not. I can see PM getting photo’d at events were other celebrities attend, but the other day she was just walking down the street.
All VIP events have paps.
Exactually, all of those events have paps. I know one thing for sure, Kate deals with a lot by being the longtime companion of William’s. There’s so much attention on her and she just seem to take it head on as it comes. It tells you a lot about her but I hope we will get to know her a little better because the media has this way of branding her Waity Katie and a girl who is waiting for the crown and it can be very far from who she is and what she’s all about. It’s very possible that she is a very good cook because William did say in a interview that his flatmates made very good meals. There seem to be so much more to her than what we see and that’s the woman William knows.
She has dodged bullets her way, enough is enough, she is out of the limelight, the Queen telegraph articles sounds more like a Kate article in practice.
And it seems Party Pieces ALREADY carried out the starlight charity and is ongoing.
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And again Pippa works for an events management company. It’s good for her to be at events especially in these challenging times to drum up business for the company which she works for as well as making business contacts. But on the whole Pippa lives in London and she is just getting on with her life.
I’m sure the lead the quiet life decree extends to Kate and Chelsy which is probably why Chelsy freaked when she saw the paps at that bar the night before the High Grove do.
Kate attracts the most attention I believe in my opinion is just doing what she is told. I’m still hoping for a new years announcement but if not then we wait until the end of Williams training.
Is it not okay to ask questions? To wonder why if there is some kind of deal w/publishing or taking photos of KM is off limits, but not to anyone else in her family? What KM family does can effect/not effect her image as well. If they are viewed by some as being press loving, than would it not be best for the whole of the family to lay low so as to not play up to the image that is written about them? It does not behoove KM to be hiding to improve her image when PM is out getting photo’d, doing what KM has been written negatively criticized for? I am not the only one on this blog who has wondered why PM is more visable as of late nor does it mean that by asking these questions that I am being a KM basher. I think it is absurb to think that the rebuilding of KM image would not include her family as well. I think the more we see of PM and the less we see of KM could be telling of what might be going on w/KM and PW relationship. Disagree w/me is fine, but to act as though I have commited a cardinal sin for bringing the subject up does not seem a very fair and balanced discussion.
Gracie I think your posts are fine.
I really don’t see any cardinal sins around. Maybe I haven’t read all the posts ?
Gracie your question is fine. It seems like they are only focusing on Kate and not her whole family. I’m sure Pippa or James wouldn’t do anything to hurt Kate’s image.
Spot on Gracie.
How sad that in talking about snobbery, there are a couple of people on this site who are snobs when it comes to Kate Middleton, basically calling her a do-nothing and aside from keeping company with William, there’s not much more to her than that. Those statements reek of snobbery – when did you get to know Kate so intimately that you can judge her or dwell on the fact that one time she modeled lingerie (and for charity). Very judgmental people indeed!!!
gracie, I think the press has turned to Pippa because for whatever reason Kate is no longer available as “target” neither is Chelsy who hasn’t been photographed in Leeds for 2 months. If Chelsy was out and about in London more frequently, she’d be the prime target by now. Also Bea and Eugenie apparently didn’t get HM’s note about down to earth low key behaviour… if two royal Princesses can’t be bothered to stay away from parties I don’t get why Pippa Middleton should.
Pippa doesn’t need to alert the paps to take her picture. They frequent society parties regularly and by the time she is leaving word that she attended would have been out by personell etc anyways. I don’t think Pippa’s behaviour would reflect badly on Kate or William or the BRF. Why should it? Pippa is not a member of the BRF and never will be. She will never receive tax payers money which is pretty much the only reason why anyone could dare have an opinion about Kate’s lifestyle in the first place. Also Pippa is working for an event planning agency as someone already pointed out. It’s her JOB to be out and about networking, meeting all sorts of people to get new assigments etc.
I hope you didn’t get upset by my post Gracie, I wasn’t having a go at you at all. I was just pointing out that PM lives in London and is just living her life. Trixie quite rightly pointed out that the paps will be present at most of the society events like the little black book event & since events management is pippa’s job it’s her job to be there.
Trixie also made a good point that William is out less and less and so is Harry, Chelsy is in Leeds and there is a ban on reporting about her at the university. Kate has disappeared off of the face of the earth which really leaves Pippa as their main target.
The paps and the papers even paying any attention to Pippa shows their desperation to get close to Kate. Pippa does not even register a blip on my radar screen.She is Kate sister and looks alot like her but otherwise I can’t really figure out why anyone would want to take her picture. I wanna see Kate,not her sister. I could not care less what party Pippa is at during a “credit crunch” as the Daily bird cage liner put it…
happy thanksgiving day.why PW and KM left the alumni? any NEWS FROM AUTUMN?
They where alumni’s of Saint Andrews, they where not included in the Famous List in the Museum. Maybe when he gets to be PoW or King he will be included.
I recall that SA has been told not to answer inquiries about KM and PW time spent there. I read it online some time ago and might not be true. If you think about it though, we don’t know alot about what they did at school, socially. No one to my knowlegde has leaked about what KM was like or PW. So maybe SA just didn’t include them because they don’t want to deal w/the hassle. Not a good reason, only thing I can think of though.
jj, no your post did not upset me!
Gracie, that is true and I’m glad that their privacy while at school hasn’t been spilled.
Someone must have upsetted you gracie,
although I still haven’t read all the posts.
Sounds like that’s a list of St. A’s alumni who’ve donated to the Museum — perhaps PW and KM were left off because they didn’t donate anything? William is known to be thrifty, isn’t he? So, that would be in keeping.
Pippa has been in the limelight lately but that is probably due to the London Effect — famous and semi-famous people living in or around London attending high-profile events can probably expect to get papped. Which is probably why Kate is in Bucklebury. Desperation on the media’s part, it looks like.
Pippa, being in the PR biz, would have no qualms with being papped since it’s good for business.
Kate staying out of the limelight could be due to two things:
1) image repair
(But c’mon, how bad were the short shorts and the cell phone incident — it’s not like she murdered anybody, so why hide out?)
2) broken heart
Broken heart theory might make sense if we say, well, this time she can’t go into clubbing mode because of the negative attention it would cause, and even if that worked last year to get PW back, it apparently didn’t leave her with a ring on her finger.
If it hadn’t been for the surprise SAR announcement, and I say surprise because GM at CH is being let go, then I would assume all is well between them.
The Birkhall and Highgrove stories are certainly plausible (where is Sarah from belgium btw?) but until we are reassured by photos of them together we will have to keep waiting.
But why the super secret cat and mouse game if they are still together? It’s not like they have to stumble out of Boujis — even a visit to the Tesco or an old folks home to deliver Christmas poinsettias and Depends would reassure the public that all is not ONFF.
I really think it’s image repair and now she’s doing things in the background. I have a strong feeling that they will reassure us soon enough. They spent so much extra time together this year and made several public appearences, I think they just took a break from public life for awhile.
alsgal,
We would be nothing without your insight.
Long live alsgal!!
Jade Falzon,
You have failed to explain the massive leap from disliking Kate Middleton to snobbery. How on earth did you get there? LOL!
I believe in TPT
I do to Me, she is a dear friend of theirs and really seem to like both Kate and Pippa.
I don’t think Will and Kate are necessarily “hiding”. They are just not out and about in London. They have done this before. There were no pics of Kate at all during the whole months of February this year. Meeting “at home” or at private parties of trusted friends who don’t spread your pics all over the internet isn’t “hiding”. And some legal action may have been taken to prevent paps from taking pics at private Middleton ground or following Kate by car. Since she surely didn’t stay inside 6 weeks straight.
It is, IMO, unrealistic to think a break up between those two could be kept secret for 2 months in a row. Undoubtedly courtiers blabb and if they had noticed a sudden absence of Miss Middleton or witnessed a fight over the SAR decision (WHICH WAS NOT MADE AT SHORT NOTICE unless you reggard half a year short) surely they would have sold that info to a paper if only out of pure glee that the unworthy “social climber” is out of the race and their daughters and granddaughters may stand a chance after all. There would also be no need for all the snarky side remarks about Pippa and Kate and their “social ambition” if they were already “out” of the upper-class social set again because Will and Kate were over.
PH, thank you but I am only trying to state the obvious — repeatedly and long-windedly — whilst keeping hope alive.
Me, I also think TPT, although imo a bit of a royal arse-kisser, wouldn’t have any reason to make something up, so I’d tend to believe her account that KM was there. Did she confirm that KM was there or just say that she was fond of PW’s GF, who we can likely assume was a reference to KM?
Also, what about theory #364: that a Royal Wedding 2009 was scheduled but when it looked like the economy was tanking, it was decided a senior royal style wedding would be a tad lavish?
True, the royal weddings in 1981 and 1947 were a great spot of hope in an otherwise challenging world, but let’s remember, those occurred back when the Monarchy was extremely popular (and far more respected by the press) and had a lot of goodwill going for it. Now, even places like the Daily Torygraph seem to be rather harsh in the criticism of certain BRF members, so maybe the thinking is that, whilst avoiding the appearance of any extravagance at all in their personal life, that might extend to having a big wedding as well?
Since William and Kate can’t be married by an Elvis impersonator in a chapel somewhere (although my Al is available gratis) and a royal wedding is a state occasion and a tourist bonanza not to be missed, not having an extravaganza now almost seems like a logical explaination for why things are being delayed at the moment?
Is this plausible to anyone else here?
It’s as good a theory as any other, alsgal…
I am still rooting for 2010!
I think TPT just said she is fond of William’s g/f. She didn’t mention Kate by name or said that she was at Charles’ b-day party.
*still waiting for pics*…
Trixie, while it was known that PW had put in a SAR application quite a while back, there also seemed to be some well placed reports (Evening Standard, plus the Guardian or Independent) in July of this year that PW was expected to take up royal duties next year. Having GM and MH step in as the Dream Team at CH seemed to support that, as PW being safely in the military cocoon wouldn’t seem to require the services of GM. What do you make of this? It really seems we had conflicting info — do you think they were hedging their bets in terms of the SAR application coming through?
I don’t know. From how I see it. The original plan may indeed have been for William to leave the military and take on full time royal duties next year. However, the original source for the supposed plans for 2009 was the NOTW which is very unreliable as we all know. The story was never reported by the BBC or the Times which dismissed it as gossip, the palace didn’t comment. So how “current” those plans still were when that story broke in summer, is anyone’s guess.
), would not have gone down well with the public. So in her eternal wisdom HM supported her grandson in his wish to join the SAR, he handed in his application, Mr. Matthews was fired because the charity event he was supposed to organise for 2009 was cancelled but a new PR guy was hired to help William in his increasing royal role (he’s still take up more engagements next year than he did this).
I think it was decided BEFORE William handed in his application to the SAR that he would not take on full time duties next year. Why otherwise should he have applied in the first place?
He caught the flying bugg while with the RAF and the economic crisis meant that further costs to set up an office for William plus expenses for his engagements (and a big lavish wedding
None of this means that it was a rash decision made in September. I dare say the royals don’t make “rash decisions”. I am pretty sure the decision making took place back in April/May and as a result Will handed in the application and probably took the necessary tests to qualifie. Just because the NOTW got its hands on old plans for 2009 the whole confusion about Will’s future was caused.
Interestingly enough the stories about Kate working for PP started shortly after in June….
It sounded to good to be true, it never ended in the official PoW website in june, july, august or september, but the SAR did make it immediately as it was announced by CH, not the press. The press since they had it wrong, twisted and used terms like “last minute decision”, “Kate in Shock”, “Waity Katie will wait”, etc.
I mean the long articles of his “supposed plan of entering full royal duties”.
Exactually Trixie and Me. CH did not say that William was going to become a full time royal next year, the press thought that. So it was a surprise to many but he knew what he was going to do the whole time. So yes he will still do some public engagements next year, he’s not going to be locked up in training next year like everybody think. The media went into overdrive on thinking Kate was totally surprised, shocked and upset. That’s far from the truth.
I also seem to remember that the stories of Kate working for PP started around June or so, but on the earlier “Meet Kate and that other chick Vicky” edition of the PP webite, her own mother (a pretty darn good source
) said Kate had been working on First Birthdays since the beginning of the year.
I wonder why that wasn’t leaked to the press soooner? Although I’m sure there are those who will claim Mrs. Middleton was trying to cover up for her daughter not working, I find that hard to believe.
So, if in January, PW put in his SAR app (where did I read that, though?) and Kate moved back home to work on First Birthdays then, I am still wondering if those two events were connected?
Look at the quote in this July 12, 2008 article from CH PR head (and Miguel’s boss) Paddy Harverson, though:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/12/royalsandthemedia.monarchy
“William will need more support as he does more Royal duties.”
So, that was said in July of this year, long after the SAR app was sent in.
But now PW doesn’t?
I think, William handed in his application end of April/early May.The Sun reported it May 5 and it also makes sense that this would have happened after his RAF stint was over (April 17).
So Kate moving back to Berks in January doesn’t fall together with Will’s application but I think it made sense to “leak” her job there once it was sure they probably won’t marry next year so as to counter the waity Katie stories. And it seems to have worked since there weren’t any complaints about her lack of employment for quite some time now.
I agree with Alsgal, that there is no reason why KM and PW could not be seen doing something together, w/their reputations in tack. Chelsy and PH went to a game last week and looked very much like a loving couple. I also think that Ked made a good point that PW needs to learn to work the press to his benefit. His phobia about press intrusion is warrented, but it also allows the press to fill their pages w/rumors and inuendos. If he would be more straightforward about some issues concerning his private life it would take away the validity that the press and the leakers make. It will not make the attention go away, but its hard to agrue that someone is broken up if photos of them together surface occasionally.
W&HU don’t seem to be working at the moment.
Mapleleaf commented before on the events leading up to the SAR announcement. She had a pretty accurate time lime with articles to reference from. Maybe she will enlighten us once again. But I do remember off hand her mentioning something about May.
I agree, gracie a little more PDA would be nice but I don’t expect William to change in that respect until maybe he is used to “working” the press on a daily basis and get used to a business like approach with them.
Gracie, I agree that PW needs to work the press to his benefit — they are a fact of life in his position and he needs to either resign himself to the fact or risk years of bad PR in the future. He can’t act like Bobby DeNiro “You lookin’ at me?” one minute and then expect them to publicise his good efforts the next. Slow and steady, always pleasant but never too close.
This is the one thing that’s confusing me — why CH pr chief (and Miguel Head’s boss) Paddy Harverson said in a July 2008 article that the Dream Team had been hired as “PW will need more support as he starts royal duties” — this long after the SAR app had been made.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jul/12/royalsandthemedia.monarchy
But now he doesn’t?
Somehow Alsgal I think there’s more big royal engagements to come. Even though William is going into the RAF, I think they have palns for him and Harry still. We just have to see how they are going to do that. It’s true that William is going to need more support. The next step William & Kate take is going to be interesting and I’m wondering if this is why things has seem to change. Kate seem to be repairing her image a bit and may be doing some projects behind the scenes.
Rman, I noticed that too! I have tried to log on to their site since yesterday and it does not seem to let me view photos. I noticed on IF that they also took down some photos of James and Pippa recently posted. Maybe someone is clamping down on the posting of certain photos?
Alsgal, I find that whole PR thing totally makes no sense at all! It does appear that something might have happened at last minute that would change the plans that CH had released to the public. I don’t think CH would announce this “Dream Team” to the press for it to fall through. It makes CH look like idiots! I truly think that even though PW was reported to have put his application in for SAR, that CH must have thought he had no intention of taking it. It seems that too much was being planned for PW to take on more royal duties in the new year, if CH had any idea that he would be going into the military full time. Plus, the whole idea that both the heir and the spare are working in dangerous situations seems very foolish to me.
Gracie, it worries me too because those are real helicopters they’ll be flying, not Budgie choppers like their Auntie Fergie wrote about in her children’s book. Dangerous with a capital D, that is for sure. I just hope someone has thought ahead and put some of their “manly goodness” into a sterile, airtight container next to the frozen peas in the royal refrigerator, because I don’t think one can ever be too cautious! While I’m sure Bea and Eug would do a great job, it would be sad not to see William or Harry take over one day.
Rman, let’s hope you are right but I still don’t see why PW and KM couldn’t marry quietly next summer — even if it’s just a (relatively) simple do at St. George’s?
I have to ask, just as the esteemed Ingrid Steward asked in her Majesty Magazine Editor’s Letter — this isn’t an easy spot for Kate to be in right now, and just what is Kate supposed to do while she waits?
It seems KM is at Party Pieces by default, as her other choices haven’t worked out, and I doubt someone who seemed to love the London nightlife/social scene as much as she appeared to would be content to stay in Bucklebury like some surburban housewife while her friends are out tripping the light fantastic down in Londontown.
It can’t be that much fun to stuff boxes all day long.
That’s what many think though, that Kate is just waiting. I don’t think she is but may have got her own projects to deal with. William & Kate probably wouldn’t want a big wedding like his parents. Now that the economy is bad, I don’t think a wedding like that would go down so well. A St. Georges Wedding would do and maybe a wedding blessing at Westminster so all the heads of state and other royals can attend.
Alsgal, they cannot marry quietly because William is the future King and his wife would be the future Queen (consort). Do you really think they can have a quiet wedding like PP and AK?
Royal weddings are political as well in terms of who is invited, where they are seated, who is not invited etc etc.
A royal wedding for the future King is not a simple affair and could not possibly be so which is why it would not be good to have it during the current economic climate.
I think one has to read all those articles about the new CH staff and Will’s supposed plans for 2009 carefully. Nowhere do they say CH announced these developments. They were all press speculation started by the NOTW as far as I remember and as I have stated above the reports may have relied on old information that was already oudated the moment it became public. Also both Miguel Head and Paddy Harverson STILL work for William and Harry and are behind the current PR changes, I feel. Geoffrey Matthews who had also organised the concert for Diana was hired as “event manager” to plan a big charity event (as we learned recently) which was obvioulsy cancelled on Her Majesty’s demand because she didn’t want big glamorous event in times of economic recession (according to the Telegraph). That’s, IMO, why Matthews was fired not because William changed his plans from one day to the next. If it wasn’t for the crisis, the charity event could have gone ahead whether William was a full time royal or a SAR pilot. William’s SAR career has nothing to do with this. Matthews was never a regular staff member – he was an EVENT planner. No event – no planner. Head and Haverson the two new PR people overseeing William’s gradual introduction to royal life are still there and still have their jobs because William WILL take on more royal duties next year.
However I don’t see a wedding in 2009. William’s wedding can’t be nice and simple – he’s the heir. I think they’ll wait till 2010 if they get married.
alsgal, which “other choices” do you mean? What has Kate ever tried but work parttime for Jigsaw in pap infested London? I think she works for PP because she wants to not because she doesn’t have another choice. That’s ridiculous. Laura Parker-Bowles worked for a big art gallery before her wedding – surely she could have given her friend a leg up had she asked. Kate could as well have chosen a univesity degree at some smaller campus or a job somewhere else but London. She nevr tried apparently because she was not interested -not because she was “forced2 not to.
Maybe something by Christmas something will emerge about the two. It would be a sad Christmas for her if they have really parted, or even if she has been told he doesn’t want to marry, it’s a hard place for her to be in.
Maybe a engagement ring would help with the waiting if that is truly what he wants her to do, maybe he should make it official now.
I know a girl,a friend who works in the UK as a reporter,writer for a small news channel. I emailed her, but she said it’s basically quiet until Christmas on any news they get with the royals,they cover local news. They are a small station in one of the villages there. I will email her, but I think she told me once it was somewhere near Tadle,Tadford??, I get confused on the names? She doesn’t follow the royals much, only if a news report comes up on the larger stations (such as, when they go to Church for Christmas) but I will ask her what she is hearing if I can find her.
If PW marries during this economic troubles and before PC becomes king, I don’t think his wedding would be as big as his parents, but no smaller than Autumn and Peters. PC wedding was huge due to the fact his mother was Queen and he next in line. I don’t think PW will warrent the same type of grandiose until papa has the crown. JMO.
KM working from her parents home is very convenient for security and press leakage. If she were employed else where it would complicate matters. LPB does not/did not have the press interest that KM does even though her mother married PC. I think a business owner would think twice before hiring KM, not because of her talent, but for liability reasons. They would not want the intrusion or inquiry of their personal lives and business dealings by the press as a result of hiring her. Not to mention the security measures that would be needed to keep paps, KM and other employees safe and the cost for such measures. PP is the best situation for the time being. She might also be getting pressured to continue the family business as she is the oldest. So who knows what KM true motivations are for working at PP, but I can not imagine that she would not want to go out every now and then.
Trixie, are you saying Kate has other options other then working for PP?
Do you mean like working for a homeless shelter or similar non-profit agency or teaching kids in an inner city school? Sorry, but that sounds like it might be kind of “dirty work” for someone used to boarding school and palaces. I’d be pretty surprised to see someone of Kate’s social stature hanging out at a place like that. That’s not meant to be snobby btw, just factual based on her lifestyle and the people she normally hangs out with.
I think that’s true that Kate could have worked somewhere, but we’ve heard so many reasons over the past three years why she wasn’t working prior to being at PP — or that she could only work 3 days a week (this coming from her Jigsaw boss) because of William. Now, even though she is still with William, she is supposedly working Mon-Fri 40+ hours per week. At least that’s what her “leak” told Hell-O!
and I have no reason to doubt it.
I do wonder why she can now work a “regular” work week for her parents but she couldn’t whilst at Jigsaw? I am assuming she is actually working and her Mum isn’t making that up to quelch the laziness rumours, because that would be dishonest, and that doesn’t seem like something someone as modest and decent a person like Carole would do. To say she’s trying to dress her daughter up as being more attractive as a candidate for the BRF is also ridiculous, as PW fell in love with Kate, a simple middle class girl of modest ambitions.
Whatever she’s doing, for however long she is doing it, we can only hope Kate is finding fufillment. I just have a hunch that this is not her first choice, or she would have done this earlier. I speculate she’d prefer to be decorating Harewood Estate if she was the one in charge of the marriage decision.
I also doubt St. George’s would suffice for PW’s wedding — although if Kate is so much in “the Firm” I really don’t see why she’s not being handled like Sophie and Camilla were prior to their engagement announcements.
Instead, far from being in the fold, it appears Kate’s been forced to retreat to the protection of her parents home.
You are right alsgal and I think they will have to treat her like that. Sophie and Camilla was given such great opportunities and I feel Kate should be given the same. I said a longtime ago that Kate need to be seen out giving her support to more charities and organizations. Now she may be doing these things already behind the scenes but it would be great for the public to see. Something may come out of what she has been doing soon though. She now has a royal status and I think she should use it publicly or privately.
Hello,
Aren’t we all missing one or two very significant points these days in the haste to find explanations or reasons for the ‘goings on’
It’s been recently mentioned that KM was only working part time ‘to ensure that she was available when PW callled’.
What isn’t quite clear is was this at PW’s request or at KM’s request as the inference of that arrangement may just prove to be a pointer to what the present position is.
KM is now, from all reports, working a full week plus ,so is it now not “AS” important that she be available at short notice?
What exactly does that mean in the contex of a possible change in their relationship?
To my knowledge there has been no explanation for that quite important change or was the original premise of a short working week just another story in the ‘knock down’ of KM ?
Whatever the truth there seems to be a change in KM’s availabilty so perhaps it is not now as important for her to be ‘on call.’
Someone mentioned a few weeks ago that a week in May 2009 and a week in July 2009 had
become available in the St. Paul’s diary but I have spent a hour or so trying to trace the report. That together with the recent changes in CH staff may also be a pointer to a change in ‘conditions.’
Perhaps KM, to retain PW’s ‘freindship’ and her continuity in his circle of friends, may now be asked to become the ‘stalking horse’ whilst PW seeks pastures new . It’s was a favourite ploy of PC who always ensured that discarded girlfriends remained within the fold as did the previous PoW in the 1920/30′s.
But again, it’s all speculation because these days the press informants have dried up with not even a few crumbs to feed on and I think this ‘status quo’ will remain for the next few years.
Guys don’t hold your breath.
We just have to wait and see Ked. These two often disappear from time to time so you never know what they may be doing. They like keeping us guessing on what their next move will be. They showed so much happiness this year and the last time we saw them together they was happy so I have a very strong feeling they are fine just busy at the moment but I feel like this will always happend Ked. When they disappear for awhile, some start to wonder if the relationship is okay. That will happen until they walk up that isle, I believe.
Ked, I don’t think its possible for this scenario to continue for a few years. I as stated earlier, I can’t imagine that she would want to continue to live her life in seclusion if they have ended it. There would be no reason for her not to go out and enjoy her life if this is the case. I can see that PW would want her to remain silent about the nature of their relationship, but does that include living in Berks under lock and key? The press will still have an interest in what happened in the relationship or does the RF have such a hold that they can ban the press to not talk about them forever? I think we will realize it over when either KM or PW are seen w/other men or women and that info will not take a couple of years to leak.
My grandma just read the posts here and said when I was about to type,” if Kate disappears for nine months, worry!”
Okay back to topic, I like both alsgal and ked’s post, good points. I think we will have to wait and see
Also Ked’s point, about the Prince keeping girlfriends in the circle of as friends.
Other names for a “stalking horse” would be puppet master, sacrificial pawn or a smokescreen. Ked, what is PW/CH so worried about that they would use KM as a “sacrificial pawn?”
We may see them out in the country or something but no I don’t think this will continue for too long either. They will let us know something soon. I truly think Kate attended Charles’s party at Highgrove, so everything seem to be fine. They haven’t made a public appearence yet. I think it’s safe to say that we all are missing them at the moment.
I have been reading all of the posts. Interesting to say the least. First, if Prince William and Kate split, I don’t think that she would hang around too much if at all. It would be too painful for her.(especially being in love with him and seeing him with someone else)
Secondly, the observation of the photos being taken off the net at W&H site as well as the IF
is without explanation. The IF site is siting review of the material posted. Why now? Does it have something to do with Kate’s disappearance from the news? I still feel that they are together. I do think that there would be a leak somewhere if they weren’t. I also agree that it would be very difficult to maintain a relationship and maintain a very low profile. I keep hoping for news that they are both happy and together. I think that we got that from her being at Highgrove for PC birthday. I will keep my fingers crossed for them. As the saying goes,I hope that everything works out for the best.
Now there are photos of JM on bruno, that will not help KM in her efforts to repair her image. Why are these photos being posted now? I guess to further humiliate the Midds family. What is wrong with this world that people will stop at nothing to ruin this family? I am sure some British tabloid will pick these up and get great joy of posting the photos. Yet, this same press would not print photos of PW urinating near a fence. Lets see how long it takes and hopefully the Midds do have some type of libel to stop them.
Well Kate has a wild brother but his actions don’t have anything to do with her. I think those pictures are a bit old. If it’s too much of a bother for her, then they need to talk to James. Chelsy’s brother is a bit wild too.
Oh dear the pictures of James are not good, he is wearing a Tiara in one of them, in another he is well….forget it, they just are all not good for Kate’s pr.
These photos are way worse than the ones before of James.
Why are these news photocoming out on the news photo agency sites?
He seems like a nice person, why wreck his image.
puaola, the lack of any royal news and the lack of pictures of the royal couple is making some tabs turn nasty and bored. Those pictures seem to be old but they have nothing else to do so they are putting them up. This is what William don’t like is for his friends and girlfriend’s family to be made fun of and pulled down because of their association with him. Harry don’t like it either. They said so in their interview for The Concert for Diana. They are use to being talked about and being made fun of but they don’t like the nastiness that is showed towards their friends. So the big misunderstanding is people think these things turns William off on Kate but that’s not true at all.
Hello,
gracie, I do think that PB/CH are worried about what may come out from KM sources pertaining to their time together. I am obviously not as well versed in long term togetherness as some of the posters are but I am certainly aware that over such a period of time couples ‘join up’ in thoughts and deeds and every little foible of both personalities becomes a part of that relationship and trust is therefore essential.
Only too often after acrimonious splits , especially in the celebrity world, tales of unsuspected and sometimes damaging and insensitive traits surface. KM knows PW inside out and could (i don’t believe she ever would )possibly make public many ‘pillow talk’ comments.This is why BP/CH need to keep KM on side whatever the state of the relationship.
Sometimes these only surface many years after but given the time scale before PW inherits the throne could still be very sensitive especially in the early part of a new reign.
There is something that I am unable to get out of my mind and that is the prophesied scenario, frequenty derided on here, of the June/July CH instigated scheme to reinstate PW’s popularity following the break up in March /April 2007.
Has it come to pass ?
Hasn’t it happened exactly as predicted?
For whatever reason , planned or not, that forecasted scenario is certainly with us now, with KM exiting left and PW entering the new popularity build up to his eventual succession.
Perhaps one can understand why I am unable to get away from such thoughts.
Thankfully Prince William is not dating James Middleton. It really floors me how people like James and Chelsy to an extent fail to reign in thier friends in regards to pictures of them getting into the wrong hands. Kate has been in this relationship with William for years. James should know better then to pose for pictures that would surely come back to haunt both of them. It is really the same for Chelsy but because she is not under the microscope as much as Kate is,people don’t comment on it as often but frankly the dozens and dozens of pictures at Team Highgrove of Chelsy partying and drinking and posing with her mouth open is less then what I would call desirable for a possible future royal.
The fact is these are different times and unless these men go out and find ladies that have been grown in a test tube and lived their lives under glass,they are not going to have spotless pasts. But guess what…William and Harry are not perfect either. Far from it. They are human and so are their girlfriends. At some point,someone has to sit them down and say ‘ok,you had your fun,now it;s time to start paying closer attention to your behaviour’. I think we are beginning to see this but the internet is an ugly place that no royal before them has had to deal with to such an extent so they are really the test dummies for uncharted territory. People should try walking in their shoes sometime. It might offer a different perspective.
There is nothing wrong with Kate’s brother. He’s no homosexual. A 20-something guy who likes to party. Yawn.
I’ll never get the facebook generation. What’s the point to put your most embarrassing and humiliating pictures online especially when there’s danger they’ll end up in national papers? I guess I’m too old to ever be able to grasp this concept.
However compared to the few private pics we’ve gotten of William dancing on a table in boxers with a boa around his neck or Harry half naked snorting wodka and licking a guy’s nipple – those look rather harmless.
alsgal, I never got the idea why Kate should need to work parttime to be “available” for William when he was at his military base Mo-Fri himself. I am also not sure from the Belle Robinson interview whether that was the excuse Kate gave her for only working parttime or whether Belle drew this “conclusion” herself.
A children’s clothing line would surely fit in nicely with the PP theme though it would be hard to set up now in times of recession. Or maybe I’m just dreaming… but I quite like my theory. 
Does anyone remember the reports about Kate wanting to build up her own children’s clothing line? In 2005/2006 she was seen out and about with her mom also at some fare. I think back then she already worked for PP – at least partly. Only that in 2005/2006 the press didn’t (yet) focus on her employment status and hence didn’t bother to report. And then she decided to work parttime at some clothing firm. Maybe she’s still working on that dream of hers? And the “job” at Jigsaw was more like an internship to learn the ins and out of the clothing industry?
Trixie,
Yes you are correct.
KM set up her Internet Company after leaving University but the funding arrangements fell through.
At the time it wasn’t really known if her close affinity to PW was the reason as it was said she had backing from her parents firm as guarantors.
That was in 2005 if my memory is correct.
Both them so busy for they relationship and doesn’t have enough time for they reunian in they campus he..he..or maybe Wills and Catherine busy for they job too, i guess, ask them if all of you want to know it!! he..he..or maybe you can ask at call center in Royal Family hua…ha..ha..joke
I think the problem is here that James, Pippa and indeed the rest of the Middleton family all had a life before William entered into it hence the pictures rising from the ashes. Take William out of the Middleton picture and are the photographs actually scandalous?? Are they anything other than you would expect from any one else Pippa or James age? They all look rather old.
The problem is that a lot of people have a price and friend or foe if the price is right many will scum to it. Although the pictures are unfortunate they are not of Kate. The most people have been able to dig up so far are pictures of James and Pippa having fun.
And although unfortunately it does reflect on Kate non of the pictures so far have been very recent. Unlike the recent pictures of Chelsy Davy who is very lucky that she isn’t in Kate position. I don’t have any sort of problem with Chelsy I think she too is just having fun it’s just that because of the guys they date they are under a microscope.
I don’t necessarily agree with what Ked states at all about Williams image being rebuilt & Kate being damaged on purpose. It just makes William look even more nasty IMO & Kate look pathetically weak. I think the girl is human and has feelings and I don’t know how many would be willing to hang around as he shops for her replacement.
I don’t really know what to believe about what is going on right now with them. I am hoping for a positive conclusion to all of this but I must say it is a tad frustrating.
Ked, if PW used KM all the couple of months to better his PR, has it worked? I think that is questionable. For every good deed he has done something has come out to cast doubt on him. So why do you think KM is not out and about? I know she is a serious working girl now, but she has had several weeks to cope w/a break up if that is the case. Has she left the country? Why would she not want to show the world that she is okay?
Although some consider the photos innocent of JM, what her family does reflect on her. KM is not only trying to rebuild her image but the Midds have to repair the what’s left of theirs too. I just think the photos don’t help as far as public perception goes. JM was having fun, etc., but it comes at a cost.
Carol goes to Ireland, smokescreen for Kate to go to Scotland, close to S&R. Perfectly quiet, and no Paps. She’s been working and setting up house. 18mths peace and quiet, I’d go there too! This may or may not be true, but I’m clinging to this theory. They’re fine and will be together.
Look what I’ve just found about James Middletton photos in one of the nastiest royal forums .One of posters (named JetSet Lady)says:
“I get why it should be members only. But I would love it if other people could see it too Big smile
well, they aren’t all out and about. The thing is… I’ve got an informant who let me have access to her photobucket account (700pics! Yikes) It took me forever to view them and I just took the “interesting” ones However this “person” could provide me with a monthly update on pics of him fanny I just don’t know if I am allowed to post them here in a forum. Although this person wants me to… But I don’t know if (s)he made the pics herself or got them from somewhere else.”
Looks like the same poster uses the name chocolate princess in the IF.Same desparately mean style.
Goodness, some people can do anything to ruin other people’s image and reputation. Diggging in private facebooks\photoarchives\webpages\accounts is disgusting and amoral! Those who do it are desparate mean very little souls.Such people should be stopped and punished.
I agree Gracie
I don’t necessarily think that if the PR campaign to better Williams image has worked if there is any truth to the rumors that CH are trying to bury Kate Middleton. There have just been too many high profile mistakes this year. He has completed a lot of commendable charity work but I am not sure that it surpasses the mistakes.
I not sure that I believe that she is licking her wounds at home either. Even when they broke up last year she was photographed getting the news paper. I choose to believe that all of the Royals have been advised to tone down the night clubing & excessive behavior as we are in the midst of an economic crisis & that extends to their girlfriends.
I don’t see the big PR campaign in William’s favour either. It’s not like all the negative things said about Kate reflect good on him. Calling her lazy and saying she has to be “available” for him 24/7 so that she can’t have a career, makes him look needy and old fashioned, calling her a social climber makes him look like he lacks people skills to see through her scheeming not mentioning the constant allegations calling him a “ditherer” because at 26 he’s not married yet and his own mistakes like the helicopter rides. So I don’t see how his image has gone up this year in comparison to hers.
jj, I think that sounds reasonable but it seems like neither Chelsy nor Beatrice got the memo…
True Trixie
But I don’t think in the last couple of weeks we have seen any pictures of Beatrice or Eugine?
Chelsy we did get one before Charles birthday but reports were that she wasn’t too happy to be photographed and tried to run and hide. So as usual who knows… Will this couple ever show their hand…
Just a question would KM & W ever be able to co-habit like Zara and Mike?
look who owns Myspace- ( Facebook)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alXvBJyE9Dw
Rupert Murdoch. Who owns tabloids all over the world, US and UK.
jj, Bea was pictured leaving Bouji this Wednesday and before that a party at Nobu restaurant November 21 so she seems to be on her usual party routine.
Ked, everybody, they have been asked to tone it down. This don’t mean that William & Kate don’t see each other in the privacy of their own homes. I think people are speculating too much just because they haven’t made a public appearence in awhile. We need to stop thinking that William is building himself up and ripping her down. That will only lead to more speculation, which we all know can get out of control.
Ok sorry Trixie I hadn’t seen those pictures. Who knows then. I’m frustrated and off to pack to get back to Southern California. Another 18 months of this & I’ll be ready to write this couple off and join the rest of the world admiring Brad and Angelina instead.
It seems like The Queen and family are heading to the hunting fields.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/royals/article1985997.ece
I haven’t seen those pics but if anything they probably show that my handsome Jim has one dashingly good sense of humour — and how could that not reflect well on Kate?
puaola, thanks for the link to the YouTube video about Rupert Murdock and Myspace. I didn’t know Rupert Murdock owned Myspace! At this point, what DOESN’T Rupert Murdock own?
I guess we’re all lucky Mark Zuckerberg still owns Facebook, and he hasn’t sold it to Rupert Murdock!
I listened to Rupert Murdock on the video, trying to tone down or negate the importance of Facebook by saying that it wasn’t a true competitor with Myspace.
I wonder if he’s going to try to buy Facebook from Mark Zuckerberg in the future. IMO Facebook is more fun than Myspace. Also, more of my friends are on Facebook than on Myspace.