Royal News Links – Bumper Edition
Kate Middleton: A ‘Princess In Waiting’ In A Biography – Fashion.ie
Kate Middleton, who was being “hounded” by paparazzi in the same way as Britain’s late Princess Diana was, is having a book written about her…
Why Zara is such an uncommon royal – Daily Mail
Zara Phillips, the Queen’s granddaughter, a young woman who, more than ever, is turning into a very unusual royal…
Queen Elizabeth’s spending order – Monsters & Critics
Britain’s Queen Elizabeth has ordered the royal family to avoid flaunting their wealth in public…
The Queen could lend Woolies a helping hand – Telegraph
When it comes to taking their holidays, the family could set up a house-swap scheme with other royal families…
Prince Philip’s bitter clashes with the Queen Mother – Daily Mail
The nation adored her, but one man saw a very different face to the Queen Mum…
I got Fergie’s sat nav – The Sun
Bungling cops sold a second-hand royal car at auction – with the Duchess of York’s home address in the sat nav…
Could Prince Harry or Prince William become an emo? - Society Forum
I was wondering today, could royalty, if they decided to, begin listening to death metal, and wearing skinny’s?
November 29th, 2008 07:54
Well, if Kate Middleton have her own biography where’s is the book???
Catherine Middleton now so famous although she’s yet enter at Royal family he..he..suit…suit..
November 29th, 2008 14:29
What if william and KM break up, or we better say, what if they already broke up? Then what is the author going to do with this book? The author is writing this book as though KM was already engaged to PW, which is something we r not quite sure. I wouldnt find interesting reading about this book because there hasnt been that much interesting in KM’s and PW’s relationship.
The author should wait until this couple announces an engagement, if there will be any.
November 29th, 2008 15:33
Sonia, if there was a breakup then it will still be a great book about a young woman who was close to become the next Princess of Wales but I really don’t think that has happened. It’s very possible that they are engaged but they can wait until they are ready to announce that. It is great to see Kate not out going to lots of clubs since the countries is going through some hard times. Sonia, I have a feeling Kate may be doing more than working with PP. I feel likey they have really gotten serious with their relationship though.
November 29th, 2008 15:48
Is William still training in the Carribean? Maybe Kate is on her way over to meet him for a pre-Christmas holiday??Possible?
November 29th, 2008 15:56
opps I meant the Caribbean!!
November 29th, 2008 16:56
Maybe Shivs, but you know what speaks louder words is the way William & Kate is taking their time with their relationship. They don’t seem to be in a rush and hurry and I really like that. It tells us that they love each other and are enjoying themseleves and their romance. It’s just not easy to carry out a royal relationship in the media age. Everything you do is judged and picked over. And you tend to want more privacy thanever. I think if they would have been born in the old days when there was no internet and paps chasing you all over the place, things would much more different for them. But they seem to be making the best of it, even with the lack of privacy. The more we get to know her, the more I know she will make a great Princess of Wales. Which I think being the Prince & Princess of Wales for a couple of years will prepare them for that top job role, King & Queen. I do hope we will get some info on what Kate has been doing other than working at PP. The way Pippa smile lets me know that her sister and her relationship is doing just fine.
November 29th, 2008 18:11
Rman,
The way you talk about this couple I am starting to believe that they are among your closest friends.
November 29th, 2008 19:21
Lol, no I don’t know them. I’m just saying what I feel and trying to face facts. I wish I did know them though, they seem to be very cool people.
November 29th, 2008 19:24
Also I wouldn’t be on here talking about them if I did know them.
November 29th, 2008 19:41
Katie Nicholl
Has a new article on the DM website about the boys cutting back and keeping a low key. She still references Kate as Williams girlfriend. She said that Harry plans to travel to Africa shortly after christmas I’m assuming to spend time with Chelsy but says that William hasn’t made any plans with Kate as yet. Strange….
November 29th, 2008 20:04
Rman,
I agree it would be fun to know them and socialize with them. You are so right! If we did know them personally then it would be a very good idea NOT to share our thoughts about them on BRW! LOL!
November 29th, 2008 20:19
That’s right PH, If I did know them, I would never betray them in anyway because I know personally how hard it is to find good friends. JJ, God knows what they will do for their winter vacations. I’m sure the boys will do something with their girlfriends. Of course she still sites Kate as his girlfriend, believe me that has not changed. It would be nice if they all traveled and went sight seeing or something.
November 29th, 2008 20:41
The longer KM is not seen w/PW the less hope I have.
November 29th, 2008 20:50
Rman and Sivs, Kate and William’s relationship reminds me of how they make good barbeque: low and slow.
As far as Katie “Let me throw a dart in the dark and see where it lands and I hope it’s not on Mr. Big Willy Nicholl and his twins” Nicholl is concerned, well at least she is claiming they are still together but if this young couple are like many I know they are just holding off on their plans, waiting to see what kind of Internet specials come up before they make their Christmas vacation plans.
Or maybe, just maybe, William is going to hide a 10 carat engagament ring in the orifice of one of the pheasants Prince Philip shoots at Sandringham.
Kate will pick that dead bird up off the ground, the ring will fall out, William will drop on bended knee, and HISTORY WILL BE MADE!
Now that’s romantic.
November 29th, 2008 21:26
I guess I will buy the book.
November 29th, 2008 21:39
Alsgal, I just love your humor. I do have a feeling we will see these people pop up somewhere. Although the royal family have to be a example, I don’t believe we all should sink into a deep depression because our countries are going through a hard time.
November 29th, 2008 22:09
i thinked KM is being famous right now, even if she is not a member of the british royals. is PW finished already in his training on the carribean? more or less PW and KM sees eachother, the less i hope.
November 29th, 2008 22:32
bluefire, I’m sure they will make a public appearence soon but that does not mean that they aren’t seeing each other privately. I now realize that we the public need to see them together because if not some think they aren’t seeing each other anymore in private. So we need the proof to reassure us. I have come to that conclusion.
November 30th, 2008 03:07
Hello,
Rman I do not think there will be a sighting of PW with KM.
Consider this; if they are still together as a couple , ie lovers , and I believe that to be an important consideration in this, then the entire black out of news over the past months will be in vain. The reason behind their not being seen is to take the pressure off any talk of engagement and marriage following PW decision to continue his military service because that is not going to happen for several years.
You may recal that for several months I have consistently commented that any engagement chatter was very premature and I had very good reasons even then for saying that.
The above is the summary if they are still ‘entwined’ so lets next consider the possibility that they are not still a couple ie. lovers, but in the royal tradition, are to remain friends over the years , always taking into account that ‘remaining friends’ in the contex of royalty can mean very much more that than the traditional ‘remaining friends’ with ex lovers/partners in our ordinary humdrum lives.
Following on, that they are no longer a couple, but friends, then the less they are seen together enables both to continue their daily lives, in both work and relaxation, without the ever present observers reading engageements or marriage into every sighting.
As friends , they may well attend functions together or in the midst of their usual gang of PW’s sycophants, and after a time ,hopefully not start off the clamour of engagement and marriage speculation.
So they may or may not be lovers, they may or may not still be’ friends’ but the less either or both are seen , the easier it will eventually become for any sightings to become acceptable to press and public without that pressure of engagement talk .
I do believe that this scenario is being produced and directed by the new(ish) CH people and is being aimed at releasing PW from the strangle hold of continual press pressure which he so obviously hates.
It may also eventually release KM from similar pressures which will enable her to regain self respect , perhaps even regain the public support and if PW eventually grows up, and she is still interested, then, well, just perhaps, but be prepared there will be a long , long wait.
Lastly, watch SCD tonight for an interesting but predicable conclusion and continue to vote for Austin.
November 30th, 2008 03:17
I can and will categorically state that Prince William and Kate Middleton are not tied to one another romantically or otherwise.
I have no desire to besmirch Miss Middleton’s reputation. I am simply stating a well known fact and if this is quoted elsewhere, we will know precisely from where it first became known.
-Karagiosis
November 30th, 2008 03:53
Hello,
I do not know who ‘karagiosis’ is or where he gets his so sure and emphatic information but I did hear last evening that both reports of recent meetings are untrue and that contact is not just minimal but nil and that there is ‘considerable upset’ in many places.
November 30th, 2008 04:01
Well, they obviously are tied to each other in some ways, having been dating for 5 years or more.
November 30th, 2008 04:30
Dagy: 5 years does not make a difference in relationships. Most people date for longer than that before getting married and many date for longer and then break up never wanting to speak to each other again. I actually think the longer people have been dating, the more likely it is that any split will be not amicable but unpleasant.
Ked: Your comment, does that mean that neither Kate or William have seen each other for ages or spoken to each other? It is the use of the word “contact” that has confused me because they saw each other for Charles’ party (allegedly)
November 30th, 2008 04:33
Karagiosis-if you are so informed to know the intimate details of the personal life of the future king,you might want to identify yourself properly and state your information to a legitimate newspaper. Otherwise I can assume you know no more then the rest of us do. Visiting multiple internet forums and stating information as fact,which you have done has zero validity without proper identification. If you have facts and are authorized to share them,do so publically instead of finding behind some annnyomous name on a forum.
November 30th, 2008 04:50
They’re still together. Their absence from the cameras and the social circuit has been manufactured by CH staff. They’re keeping their heads down as they’ve been told to do.
November 30th, 2008 05:00
thanks Rman.
November 30th, 2008 05:08
Once again,I apologize for my sharp tone in the post above,but I have grown so tired of people who pop in to offer up “facts” and “inside information” that I find it hard to contain my comments.
I think it reality,we all know that no one close enough to the players in this game would offer up such information on a blog site. It is just annoying that poster feel the need to try to jerk others around.
November 30th, 2008 05:11
B,
I am passing on what was chatted about and I understood that PW has not been in contact with KM since their last holiday and that several people, including many senior RF members are ‘very upset’.
There are related stories alluding to the concern that PW is not enamoured with the prospect of cloning his father and having 30+years of frustration ahead of him when he will be expected to be ‘more PC than PC ‘.
Perhaps the recent elevation of PH into more responsible limelight may even be a pointer to how PW may have reverted to his youthful expression of distaste for “the TOP JOB” together with his so evident reluctance to commit to what has been perceived and accepted as the love of his life.
All in all he seems to be a slightly mixed up character who has been unable to accept that with privilege comes responsibilties. How much of this relates to being the favoured son of a lost and much loved mother is difficult to understand but over the last 5/6 years his temperament and psyche has changed his perception both publicaly and privately
November 30th, 2008 05:13
When I said they are no longer “tied” to one another, I meant exactly that.
I will add, that there isn’t anything at all “obvious” to the way in which one may choose to perceive the non existent state of Prince William and Miss Middleton’s former acquaintanceship…
I’m doubtful the details of why I have absolutely no wish to “alert the media” would be of any interest to anyone … but “anonymity” and discretion do sometimes go hand in hand…
… and I would not be the first to admit that this form of communication is often the most prudent and effective means of conveying ideas or news. Sometimes it is the only option…
-Karagiosis
November 30th, 2008 05:15
Whatever.
November 30th, 2008 05:32
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1090478/KATIE-NICHOLL-As-Royals-cut-finances-Princes-stay-piste.html
update
November 30th, 2008 05:53
Ked, you said that they had no contact since their holiday, but the austrian wedding was a few weeks AFTER the holiday & we have pictures that so that they were together then. Also, Rod Stewart has twice said publically (in interviews) that both Kate & Chelsy were at PC’s birthday party and I can’t see what reason that he would have to lie???
When you say that this is being “chatted about” – chatted about by whom? Friends of the couple or people in the media (newspaper) world?
What I struggle to believe is that if they are over & KM is so hurt, then the usual reaction of any female is to show to the outside world that they are fine, getting on with their lives & still attractive to others, however they feel in private. They would certainly not bury themselves out of sight for 2.5 months.
It is nearly 2.5 months now, which is a long time to hide yourself away and also for not one whisper to be issued by supportive friends. It just doesn’t make much sense. I don’t know whether other females would agree
November 30th, 2008 06:04
This is a classic example – I have just seen these pictures of pippa & her mother at Henessy Gold cup at Newbury races yesterday(the one of the 2 of them together is on page 2). If KM / PW have split why not join her sister & mum for a day at the races??
http://www.rexfeatures.com/live/2008/11/29/the_hennessy_gold_cup_at_newbury_racecourse,_berkshire?pg=2&cr=-1
November 30th, 2008 07:15
Very good point H. It doesn’t make sense to me either. Surely Kate would be hurt after a break up but that the pain would be so severe that she wouldn’t go out at all for more than 2 months doesn’t make sense to me. Usually after a break up you mope for 2-3 weeks and then try to distract yourself going out with friends, spending time with your family etc. The races would have been a great opportunity for her to have some quality time with her mom and sis. Also since so far there hasn’t been any specualtion about a break up in the mainstream press, so she would also not have to fear being asked unwelcome questions about William or be commiserated.
Do you have a link to one of the Rod Stewart interviews? Him saying the girls were there would definitely be 100% proof it’s right. He has no reason to make stuff like that up.
November 30th, 2008 07:37
Why would Mrs Middleton, Miss P Middleton and Miss K Middleton need a quality time at the race when they live together?
Miss K Middleton could’ve been just busy at home doing things.
November 30th, 2008 10:17
If KM is being treated as Ked suggest by PW, I would imagine that she would need atleast 2mo to recover. She would not only lose PW but her close ties to the RF and all the perks that come with that. Close friends made during their time together, might no longer be her friend if a breakup did occur. Most always side with the RF for fear of losing the perks they get being associated w/them. If they have not broke up and the Queen has asked them to be frugal during this time, I can’t imagine that PM and CM would help matters by attending the races. What her family does is a reflection of her as well. It could be possible that as part of a possible breakup the Midds were still able to keep some perks.
November 30th, 2008 11:09
Kudos to Carole for recycling the same coat that she wore to the Sandhurst Passing Out (yes, Ma’rm, Your Majesty, we got the memo) but let’s hope she didn’t recycle the same piece of Nicorette gum.
After seeing the oddly-quoted-in-Mandrake-as-saying she-didn’t-care-for-racing-and-prefers-tennis Pippa/Carole/Kate trio together so many times it is a bit odd Kate wasn’t there, especially as we haven’t seen pictures of her anywhere, not even at the Waitrose in Bucklebury.
It can only lead me to the deeply logical conclusion that she and PW and still very much in love and undercover Kate is obviously helping George Clooney in Darfur.
November 30th, 2008 11:26
Or she flew into Mustique to join up with William, who is finishing up with his squad of pirate busters this week.
Not a single airport photo though, so maybe she went on the Branson plane.
November 30th, 2008 11:36
Alsgal, odd indeed! I can see why KM would want to lay low if mending from a broken heart, but her non-existense has gone on far to long. Unless the RF have ban her for a certain amount of time from going out or until PW leaves in Jan, or she has a bun in the oven!
November 30th, 2008 11:52
Guys, I must say that it does not look like Kate & William are broken up but something else may be going on. She may be doing some charity work behind the scenes or William & Kate is doing something or planning something. Because everyone look too happy.
November 30th, 2008 11:56
That’s very likely alsgal. We didn’t get any pics of them leaving for Klosters or any of their two holidays this year either. In fact we didn’t get any pictures from their Mustique holiday in May. So however Kate manages to do it, she apparently found a way to skirt the airport paps.
gracie, what point would it make for a pregnant Kate to hide? Eventually it will become very obvious she is pregnant or that she has a child. She can’t possibly hide for the rest of her life.
November 30th, 2008 11:56
If there was a bun, I’d have thought there would have been a super quick marriage with Lord Inner-Circle (TvS?) followed by a “premature” baby born at only 6 months yet weighing an astonishingly healthy 8 pounds!
If she did have a miscarriage, then I’d be really sad for her.
I suspect she’s either got a broken heart, is laying low per the Queen’s or Miguel Head’s request, or is suffering from mono or something.
It would be nice to see her out and about to know she’s OK. The utter lack of pictures on any photo website (since the mid-October cell phone pictures) is perplexing to say the least.
November 30th, 2008 12:06
Something is up guys and I have a feeling that is a good sign. William & Kate is probably together somewhere. I have a feeling asgal that we will get some good news. Pippa and her mother is still mingling with the royals and their friends so that alone is a good sign.
November 30th, 2008 12:13
I agree with all of you, Kate’s absence is odd.
Thoughts like hiding a pregnancy do come to mind as wild as they may be. Maybe pregnancy no longer leads to marriage for young royals, maybe they are re-writing the royal etiqutte. Maybe such women (those who fall pregnant while dating Princes and future Kings) will end up with a monthly royal child support check and NOTHING else.
A picture of Kate with a flat stomach, a broad smile, and in William’s company will go a long way. Christmas is around the corner and maybe a few precious photos will appear somewhere.
November 30th, 2008 12:17
Rman, it would be comforting to know if they were there as official guests or whether this was a buy a VIP ticket and mingle with the fringe royals kind of thing.
Given how much Kate adores racing, and that Pippa was quoted in the fairly reliable Telegraph Mandrake column as saying she does not (remember Pippa said that’s why she wasn’t going to Ascot but she said she would be at Wimbledon?) it is weird not to see Kate.
Could racing enthusiast Kate have given her ticket to Pippa since she is either under the weather, laying low to avoid publicity, or in Mustique?
November 30th, 2008 12:19
Yes PH, we will see them somewhere. The pregnancy rumor is a bit too much now. I’m sure they are very careful to not let that happen just yet. I do have a feeling though that they are together and pippa mostly is throwing us off. Or she may be laying low until a special announcement is made.
November 30th, 2008 12:23
Alsgal, it’s very likely that Kate is laying low for a good reason or maybe with William somewhere. These people look too happy for some reason. I wonder if they was in the royal box.
November 30th, 2008 12:24
Or in the VIP box along with other royals and guest.
November 30th, 2008 12:33
Rman, what is worrisome is that the Middleton clan also appeared happy without a care in the world a few days after the April, 2007 breakup. Their composure and magnificent grace-under-pressure manner unfortunately makes it a bit hard for us to “read” them.
But let’s hope this is genuine happiness we are seeing with Carole and Pippa and that Somebody is happliy on a beach with sand in her bottom!
November 30th, 2008 12:37
Yeah lets hope or that someone is about to make some exciting news.
November 30th, 2008 13:00
I think if they had broken up, she would have been out and about by now. None of my girlfriends ever sat at home 2+ months over a guy. We normally went out that night!! I agree with Rman. It seems as if she is getting some help with her image and laying low. Hardly thinkshe is pregnant! I think they are alot smarterand more careful than that. That kind of damage to her reputation could not be fixed. JMO
November 30th, 2008 13:22
Rman and Alsgal,
The suspense is killing me! LOL!
November 30th, 2008 13:29
Maddie, that is lovely that you are so social and resilient but everyone has their own ways of dealing with heartbreak and sometimes more introverted people don’t like to go out. Some people take longer to get over things, too, especially if it’s the love of their life.
That is, of course, is a moot point if Kate hasn’t had any reason to have had her heartbroken.
I’m thinking she hasn’t and that she’s just going about her business and seeing PW when she can.
It could also be that Kate is only going out in the Buckleplex, and that the paps aren’t taking pictures of her there because they’ve never, for whatever reason, taken many pictures of her there. I could probably count on two hands (if I still hand a second hand if not for that damn bread machine) the number of times we’ve seen pics of Kate in or around Bucklebury in the past 4-5 years.
Still, approaching this from every possible angle, it is curious not see Kate out enjoying the races with her Mum and Sis.
Unless of course, she’s in Mustique.;)
November 30th, 2008 15:20
I know PH but all of this will lead somewhere. I remember when Pippa attended the polo event and everybody wanted to know where was kate but a little later she turned up with William in the Caribbean so she may be with him somewhere or doing something very important.
November 30th, 2008 15:47
Rman,
I just saw the photos of Carol and Pippa Midddleton at the races and they do look happy to be there. A royal was photographed, Lady Gabriella. I am not sure if any other royals attended the event.
I will TRY to be patient and wait for news or photos of PW and KM.
Maddie, True about a pregnancy between these two. They are bright enough to know how careful they would have to be, being unmarried and William being the next King.
November 30th, 2008 16:08
That’s all we can do PH is be patient but I’m telling you, it’s not easy. There is a level of excitement that surrounds these two. I have no doubt that if Kate was not busy or with William, she would have attended the race with her mother and sister.
November 30th, 2008 16:13
ahhh, so carol and Pippa were out and about rubbing elbows with royals. Interesting. Kate may be with William somewhere,trying to spend some time together before his training starts. Or she may also be not appearing in public because she is not allowed to at this time.
One thing I feel is certain,she is NOT hiding out mending some broken heart blah blah blah….gimme a break. Do people REALLY think women who are 26 yrs old,wealthy,very attractive and extremely well connected sit home nursing a broken heart because her of a break up. maybe for a week, but for a couple of months. Sorry,can’t swallow that one. If I stick to the facts as we know them,the last time Kate was photographed in public she was with her boyfriend,the future king and a bodyguard. Hopefully they will announce soon because all this speculation is enough to make you dizzy.
November 30th, 2008 16:31
New pics of Chelsy leaving Leeds for London, November 27.
http://tinyurl.com/6xun66
http://tinyurl.com/55lmjv
http://tinyurl.com/5fjvxy
There are more over at picture.belga.be
November 30th, 2008 16:36
Lol, you are right Lisa. I can hardly imagine Kate sitting at home, rocking and pulling her hair out. It’s very possible they are together at this time. Spend a great deal of time with each other. But I have said this before that when we don’t see them out in awhile, some start to get worried. Mainly because we all know that those two are meant to be together and none of us want anything bad to happen but you are right, the last time we saw them was at the wedding and they both looked happy. I don’t Kate is worried because she knows her day will come. What she don’t know is how William will setup that proposal. Peter did say that his setup had went all wrong at the last minute but he still managed to get through it. These two will appear soon.
November 30th, 2008 16:41
Oh, Good find Trixie.
November 30th, 2008 17:04
Here is the DM’s new artical on the guest at the races. Lady Gabriella Windsor, Pippa and her mother look great and happy. Lady Gabriella Windsor somehow reminds me of a young Princess Alexandra. She looks very elegant.
http://tinyurl.com/5758om
November 30th, 2008 17:07
Hello,
I hope that my posts don’t give the impression that I don’t want PW and KM to get together permanently as I am an avid KM fan and always have been and feel that she has demonstrated a love and loyalty over several years.
I am however a realist and although I feel that there is a place in this world for them to be together I also have the opinion that it may not be for several ( say 4 to 10) Years.
I would also not be surprised if they aren’t seen together again for a long, long time as the present apparent separation would not have the desired effect of taking the heat out of engagement speculation should they be seen out and about together.
I still also believe that KM’s position has gradually been purposely denigrated to avoid that PC/Diana trap where PC had difficulty acknowledging that he always took second place to her.
PW has over the past few years developed similar traits to his father and I believe he also has resented KM’s overwhelming popularity with the populace and if he ever becomes King then perhaps he will have matured sufficiently to accept that his rather bland character will always be second to an attractive wife / partner.
Hope everyone enjoyed ‘Come Dancing’ this weekend or saturday anyway and wonder if any of our Irish friends happen to know when the autumn term ends at UCD ?
It must surely be this weekend or next!?
November 30th, 2008 17:26
Hey Ked, it’s been awhile since we have heard from you. Ked, William & Kate is up to something and they are probably together somewhere. This always happen though, when they aren’t seen together in awhile, some begin to think that the relationship is off in someway. It’s like we need to see them together all the time so we can be convinced that they are still together. There’s no doubt that Kate is a very attractive young woman but she can’t help that she is attractive and she should not be punished because of that. So I don’t buy that he resents kate’s ability to turn heads. That is one of the things that attracted him. Philip married a great society beauty, so did Charles in 81, so now William is with a great beauty that’s what he picked and that is what he has stayed with over the years. I know that is just your opinion but I just don’t like people to always come down hard on Kate because in reality she don’t deserve that. I believe Kate is a strong fighter and that is what she’s going to have to do by his side.
November 30th, 2008 18:05
Dublin, again.
Ah, Ked, Ked, Ked. Do you throw out these tantalizing little bits to see who will bite? You are our very own Deep Throat.
So, KM is in Dublin taking a computer course at UCD and that is why she has been flying regularly from Bristol to Dublin. There, I bit.
November 30th, 2008 18:12
Lisa, I couldn’t agree more that kate is at home mending a broken heart. Like you said a week maybe but two months. She hardly seems shy and she always is smiling and talking to people. that gives me the impression she enjoys socializing and being around people. Hardly the hermit type! Maybe she has been advised like the other royals that know is not the time to be out and about spending extravagant amounts of cash. That is what I am banking on.
November 30th, 2008 18:13
Phoebe,I thought it was published that it was carol, not Kate visiting Dublin. Does anybody really think Kate Middleton could take a course at a school without anyone finding out about it. I personally think Kate is indeed enrolled in a class and it’s called Princess 101. Shall we discuss the prerequisites?
November 30th, 2008 18:13
I mean not at home mending a broken heart. oops!
November 30th, 2008 18:15
Couldn’t agree more, Lisa.
November 30th, 2008 18:24
Hi Rman,
Yes I have had a busy couple of weeks with lots of air miles and intolerable hours in lounges with just a day and a half in London.
Look, I’m not against KM as you should well know but I sincerely believe that she has been treated very badly over the past 12/18 months and in all honesty, not least by PW but she has been and will continue to be strong.
She is, and has been very much on her own for a few years now with support only coming from her strong family and I do think that protocol and tradition should have been ignored especially by PW who allowed the most disgraceful liberties to be taken against her character and reputation. He will have the greatest difficulty in overcoming those shortfalls in later years as subjects will remember his lapses and they will certainly be held against him.
Phoebe, Deep throat ? On a family blog ?? Dear ,dear me !
To my knowledge neither UCD nor Trinity do computer courses as such but I believe they do have Economic Management and MBA graduate courses.
November 30th, 2008 18:35
Ked,
I just don’t understand this at all. In an earlier post you stated that William and Kate did love each other. If that is true, why all of the games. First it was the RF Coutiers were trying to get rid of her. Now, you state that there are members of the RF that are upset about this”parting of them as a couple.” If they don’t want to be engaged why not just state that. We are together but are not getting married for a while. I just can’t wrap my head around someone who takes a vacation with the family and gets together with Kate at a wedding but a week later as much as says I don’t want to be with you. Are you also saying that the meeting at Balmoral never happened? Also, what about Prince Charles birthday at Highgrove. It was reported that she was with him at the party. In fact, I read somewhere that she was at the Friday night gathering.
Finally, why stay out of the limelight for 2 1/2
months. The longer she goes “hiding out”
the harder it will be to face the public. As you can see my confusion. If they did break up, I hope that she could count on people to help her through this time. Since there has not been any news of such a break up in the papers
could we say that they are still together. Finally, how can we reconcile what you are saying with those who just as strongly declare that they are still together? Any thoughts. You mentioned Dublin-what is going on there in your opinion?
November 30th, 2008 18:39
I was just putting a few disparate comments together and coming up with an idea.
Ked suggested a while ago that KM was travelling between Bristol and Dublin on a regular basis. There was much speculation on this site as to why, if true (I think several people suggested she was scoping out a warehouse for her parent’s company.) I don’t take this as either true or false.
KM’s attorney confirmed for the Vanity Fair article that KM was taking a computer course to learn how to make online catalogs. I think we can take this as true.
I think it is distinctly possible that KM could go to school in Dublin without being recognized, especially if the people who are interested didn’t know where to look.
November 30th, 2008 19:16
Those pictures of Pippa and Carole looking so amazingly happy are Kate and William’s way of saying, it’s all good, not to worry.
Just realised why Carole’s recycled Dec. 2005 Sandhurst outfit is so familiar — Carole looks like she is copying the outfit of the Duchess of Westminster at the infamous Lady Tamara Grosvenor/van Cutsem Charles-wouldn’t-go-if -he-couldn’t-sit-next-to-Cams in Nov, 2004 wedding.
Kate is either in or on her way to the Caribbean to join up with William. That is why Ma and Pip look so happy.
Christmas announcement or at least a few dead bird shots.
November 30th, 2008 19:23
Kat, I am very sure we need not worry about some grand scheme or plot by anyone to get rid of Kate from Williams life. The only one who has that power is William. It is all very silly. If William and Kate split it is because they wish to do so. There is no conspiracy to tarnish Kate’s image in order to make PW look good etc. Until we know otherwise,we can assume they are still a couple and headed toward formalizing their relationship. We all just need to relax.
November 30th, 2008 19:24
PS I see from looking at Carole’s outfit where Kate got her “black is OK with brown” colour theme from — it’s apparently a genetic condition.
November 30th, 2008 19:33
Kat, that is just it people think their relationship is one big roller coaster and I think it’s far from that. I think the hard part for them is keeping their private life private and the endless speculation in the press. There is no doubt that William & Kate sent a wedding signal out when she was invited to The Order of The Garter service and to Peter’s wedding by sitting with the royal family. They would not have done that if they was really bothered by wedding rumors. It was also a big acknowledgement by The Queen as well. All we need is a picture of her in the presence of The Queen and that would be it. Lets face it, the girl is seriously dating a great guy and William wouldn’t play with her heart like that. Mainly because he’s not like that and he wouldn’t want anyone to do him like that.
November 30th, 2008 19:37
Right Lisa & Alsgal. We need to relax and yes they have a way of telling us without words that everything is just fine. I don’t think William & Kate like us to worry so much and it also causes speculation.
November 30th, 2008 20:55
“Just realised why Carole’s recycled Dec. 2005 Sandhurst outfit is so familiar — Carole looks like she is copying the outfit of the Duchess of Westminster at the infamous Lady Tamara Grosvenor/van Cutsem Charles-wouldn’t-go-if -he-couldn’t-sit-next-to-Cams in Nov, 2004 wedding.”
Oh no Alsgal, I agree with you alot, but this time I must part. I remember the Duchess’ coat and hat ensemble outside of the church at her daughter’s wedding, and I thought it was VERY chic. The Duchess’ outfit was so much more stunning than Mrs. Middleton’s recent outfit, whose relaxed style I usually love. But it was “the” wedding vs. a day at the races, so I know Carole will do a bit better when it’s her turn to be photographed outside of St. George’s for her daughter’s wedding!
LOL
November 30th, 2008 20:58
Here is a link to the Duchess’ ensemble that day. Sorry I don’t know how to shorten the link. Oh I loved it her coat & hat!
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/51690965.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6A9E911747E5925C4CA52222F25EC092C
November 30th, 2008 21:38
Guest,
The Duchess in the picture you posted is at least a million times more elegant than Carole Middleton. CM is a trim middle-aged woman, but does not project ANY of the qualities the Duchess projects.
November 30th, 2008 21:53
I’m not knocking Mrs. Middleton at all. I love her dressed-down style and her figure at 50+. And to be fair, the outfit the Duchess wore to what was described as “the” society wedding of the decade is an unfair comparison to Mrs. Middleton’s cloth coat and boots to the races. Bet on it that when Kate walks up the aisle with William Mrs. Middleton’s picture will stand quite nicely to the Duchess. Perhaps. The Duchess in that outfit just looked very much the chic, sophisticated, society woman, confidently and sensibly dressed for her daughter’s wedding.
December 1st, 2008 00:17
i will repeat my hypothesis, for whatever it’s worth:
if i were km, my heart would be broken and i’d be devastated
it would take me many, *many* months to recover from the tremendous loss; not only loss of pw and her dreams for the future, but loss of her entire lifestyle and possibly a good part of her identity
i would not want any media or cameras in my face, voyeuristically recording my misery; it would only make me feel worse, and i could also become the object of public ridicule or pity
so, if i were km, i’d hide out in my parents’ home, eat some home-prepared comfort food, try to get back on my feet, and contemplate my plans for the rest of my life
for km to have to wait 4 yrs for pw’s military service to end, and with total uncertainty as to whether he’d ever propose, is tantamount having things end
and cruelly so, since she apparently learned of pw’s plans after he publicly announced them
and, i repeat: pw’s appearance with paris and the other woman was very unseemly; it screamed his newly single status
December 1st, 2008 00:47
anastasia, I understand that’s what you think but there’s no proof to that. We have no idea what Kate is doing other than work at PP. At this moment she may be with William and having their private time together. I knew his military announcement would throw many off but Kate will do loke she has always done and stand by him and support his dream. Many think Kate will just be sitting there waiting but I think that is far from the truth. We have no idea what their plans is and that’s the problem. Some think he is putting off marriage but they may do it while he’s serving or decided to wait for awhile. William lives in a crazy world but it must be some great comfort to him, to have her always there for him and supporting him. That is what he needs and that with love is why they have lasted so long.
December 1st, 2008 00:55
Anastasia , I understand what you are saying also, it does make sense.
I see a pattern, I recall a few days before the breakup in 2007, Kate and her mother were in Ireland at a Art Exhibit of a friend, they were photographed looking happy. Kate had already informed friends a few days before when they were out to dinner, that she and William had broken up.
I am beginning to think the long relationship has come to a end. I don’t there will be a marriage and perhaps Kate knows this now.
December 1st, 2008 01:15
I just wanted to know why when they are not seen together in awhile, people think it’s all over? I remember last year when they had that very little split, people was saying that the relationship had ran it’s course and they was stating that William was out to find another girl. Then before you could blink your eyes they was back together and took things to new heights this year. We have no idea what they are planning next, just because we have not seen them in awhile does not mean it’s over. We hadn’t seen Harry & Chelsy in awhile but later they showed up at the game looking happy as ever. William & Kate didn’t waste no time spending their presious time together this year and the last time we seen them, they was happy and cheering on their friends at their wedding. Don’t be so quick to put that relationship in the garbage. Just because he’s going into the military in Jan does not mean he’s throwing her to the side.
December 1st, 2008 01:35
…And don’t be so quicky to always defend it. Who knows what will happen and unless you know her or him you cannot possibly know that they are going through a bad patch or that they are all hunky dory (i.e. very happy).
If we can speculate about the good we must be allowed the speculate about the bad.
December 1st, 2008 01:36
Ah the typos: this is what happens when you type before 7am.
quicky: quick
allowed the speculate: allowed to speculate
December 1st, 2008 01:55
I guess you are right B. We are just going to have to wait and see. It just bugs me when people just throw that relationship to the dogs because there hasn’t been any public appearences lately.
December 1st, 2008 02:17
Ked
I agree with PW not wanting to be seen with KM to avoid an engagement pressure, but if PW and KM do not get together not to be pressured, then their relationship may suffer because they are not going to be in contact that much during these 7-10yrs of waiting for an engagement to occur.
Probably he announced that he would go to the military instead of marrying KM just to shut up the people and prevent the people (and even royal members) to pressure him to marry KM.
Again, this may bring serious consequences to his relationship with KM because no matter how much KM loves PW, love vanishes in a relationship when there is not too much communication or when people wait too much (KM may get tire of waiting).
December 1st, 2008 02:41
I think Carole Middleton is still in her forties.
She looks nice, she wore the same outfit to the Passing Out Parade a few years ago, it’s nice to see she keeps herself fit.
William if he truly has split from Kate is no different than Pr. Felipe or Pr. Fred of Denmark who dated a girl for years, only to end up not marrying that girl.
December 1st, 2008 03:25
Here’s a unique thought – why don’t we just leave William and Kate alone for awhile and stop all the guessing and rumours. No one here knows them personally, so let’s not start making up stories like Katie Nicholls. They will either marry one day or not – but that is between the two of them. I wish them both well, no matter what their future plans are.
December 1st, 2008 03:32
I’m with you on this one Jade. I’ll stop talking about Will and Kate till new pics or new information surfaces.
So let’s turn to Harry and Chelsy.
Does anyone else think Chelsy lost a little too much weight? Her legs look horribly skinny in the recent pics.
I also noticed that she seems to spend her weekends in London regularly now. She doesn’t seem to have classes on Fridays since she has been seen out and about on Thursdays in London. Do you think she stays in CH when Harry is in Little Wallop? Btw. the Daily Star reports Harry has problems with the theoretical part of his flying instructions.
http://tinyurl.com/5k4j4j
December 1st, 2008 05:46
and they don’t sound so enthusiastic with Harry’s flying skills, not like William.
December 1st, 2008 06:03
I will keep everything crossed for Prince Harry.
It is a fact generally acknowledged in RAF circles that Prince William is a ‘gifted’ pilot. This from the people who trained him and have trained with him. Indeed, I am led to believe that if Prince William had not been royal he would have had an extremely successful career in the RAF.
I will not comment on the Prince’s relationship with Miss Middleton because I believe it is none of my business; what I will say is that contrary to some of the comments here, Prince William is a thoroughly nice fellow, perhaps too nice for his own good.
December 1st, 2008 07:11
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against Prince William except the way he stood silently by as his girlfriend has been UNFAIRLY massacred by the press. He could have stopped all of that with a casual statement of support of “my girlfriend.” Instead, like his twisted family, he I believe he has mis-handled the situation and left the cleanup to his aides, who have dispatched the ever willing Kate into hiding. Shabby business. I see the negatives in both of his parents in his stubborness and preciousness.
Prince Harry in my book is in the same position as his uncle, Prince Andrew. He’s second fiddle, a heart throb for now but as go the years, so go the interest in him, his mediocre looks, and his mediocre girlfriend, strictly in my minority opinion.
I already need my head examined for following news about some out of touch monarchy and its spoiled heirs, I draw the line at discussing Prince Harry. Read….aim….FIRE!!!!!!
December 1st, 2008 07:38
Guest, all the articles said that it was going to be a very difficult task IF passing the tests and all the articles mentioned that since he wouldn’t get deployed AGAIN on FOOT, he decided to try out the RAF in order to BE DEPLOYED. I don’t care to be bashed for it, but that sounds spoilt. I hope as usual that the press has it wrong, but with the latest pics of him flying and the leak of being a regular, no praising or enthusiast in his skills make it sound to be true.
December 1st, 2008 07:51
^ Me, I agree
I’ve always found Harry’s determination to get back to Afghanistan a little sick and twisted.
Trixie – yes I completely agree Chelsy’s legs look far too skinny. What pressure can she possibly be under with her student life? She’ll crumble as a royal!
December 1st, 2008 08:00
Guest, I stopped reading your post after the ‘twisted family’ part. So this reply is not to you ….
In the ideal world I would agree with Jade’s sentiments above, however, I think as long as people remain interested they will continue to gossip. There is nothing particularly wrong with that, it is human nature. It is such a shame, though, that some of this gossip has turned rather nasty of late. It would not matter so much if it was confined to the pages of forums but real damage is done when malicious gossip is reported as fact in national publications.
December 1st, 2008 08:06
As I said I am keeping my fingers crossed for Prince Harry. Personally I do not believe he is good enough for the RAF, Prince Harry is an Army boy through. I hope I am proved wrong.
December 1st, 2008 09:39
Trixie, you got that right. I’m keeping my fingers crossed on William & Kate. I wish Harry well, that kind of stuff is not easy.
December 1st, 2008 09:55
Guest, I agree — the Duchess of Westminster did look fantastic. What struck me was the unusual similarity of the brown toned coat with the use of the reddish orange velvet for contrast (Carole’s buttons and cuffs/Natalia’s shoes and clutch) in addition to their furry heads, thin frames, strong boned faces, and blonde hair. Sure, Carole was probably wearing the Topshop version, but she did make it look chic save for the boots/purse clashing and we can all bet once the Wedding of the Millenium comes she will be just as tastefully put together.
Also strongly agree about PW not seeming to do enough to stand by his woman. A little chivalry would have gone a long way, and wouldn’t have increased the level of speculation, as their relationship has been speculated about ad nauseum anyway.
Speaking of nausea, I’d be sick to think of Harry going back to Afghanistan — it’s just too dangerous. Even the aid workers are being shot to death by the Taleban and conditions have certainly deteriorated.
I’d rather see Harry stay home and fix Chelsy some spag bog to put a little meat back on those toothpicks. My goodness, her thighs look about the same size as my cankles!
December 1st, 2008 10:04
Reading these forums and speculating about the possible outcome is addictive. Sort of like Pottermania for grownups.
December 1st, 2008 10:18
I agree Alsgal, alittle chivalry would have gone a long way but I have a feeling he does that privately. Publicly is how he need to do it. I wonder will The Middletons will need some sort of security when W&K get married?
December 1st, 2008 10:19
William made the relationship quite public, of course people will comment on it and often.
If some don’t want to read the opinions of posters who think the pair are having trouble or may have broken up, ……. don’t read it.
What we say here won’t change the outcome either way.
I feel he has ended it.
December 1st, 2008 10:26
Well whatever, one of my favorite ceremonies is coming up, The State Opening of Parliament.
December 1st, 2008 10:37
Rman, I would think the Middletons already have a pretty good security system already but they will definitely need to step it up once William and Kate are officially engaged — trust me, there just might be the odd looney who will park his or her W&C lawnchair on the Middleton driveway and sit down, put those cankles up, and have a tall, cold one whilst perusing through a two foot stack of back issues of Majesty Magazine. Due to the prohibitive weight, I’ll leaving my sixteen individually titled thematic scrapbooks detailing their beautiful love affair (”W&C: In the Beginning, God Created Catherine/”He Said, She Said, Guy Said”) at home. Damn Air Canada!
What I am hoping for is that Mrs. Middleton will eventually come out, if she has not yet called the authorities, and agree to a small but meaningful group photo, or that she will leave me alone with Jimbo for two hours along with a monster batch of cake fondant — ’cause this Alsgal’s got some decorating to do!
December 1st, 2008 11:05
I do not think the Middletons will get any security support, should K+W get married. Neither got the Fergusons, the Spencers nor the family of Countess Sophie.
And I still cannot believe that PW treated KM
badly.
- He took her to beautiful vacations.
- He had his PR team and lawyers talk to the press. Interesting to see that they seem to leave her alone as soon as she does not hang out at the paps places anymore.
- I assume the PP business benefitted quite a bit from the buzz about their famous daughter.
- She is/was allowed to live in CH.
- He invited her to some really nice prestigious events.
And you cannot say on one hand, that KM is a strong and clever person and then assume she would allow anyone to treat her badly. Because that would imply that she is in the game solely for the tiara.
I do not think that you can fake feelings and chemistry for six years. However – this hiding in Berkshire – it can mean both. Either she wants to overcome the loss of a long relationship that was very much in the public and get back on her feet, or they are just keeping a low profile for a while and enjoy a summer vacation on Mystique. Lets hope for the latter.
December 1st, 2008 11:45
Did anyone notice Ked’s prose into when UCD winter term ends? I am assuming he is trying to have us believe KM is attending courses there in Dublin. Maybe she is staying with the art gallery friend and attending school? If Ked knows this then I am surprised that the press have not caught on to it or the paps anyway. You know they want to know whats going on, but maybe they are not allowed to print anything about it. Hopefully, if there is a breakup, KM might meet an Irish lad?
December 1st, 2008 11:53
I understand that it was only Carole in Dublin. Who said Kate is going there, in particular on a regular basis? Without anyone writing about that?
Because, if she attended university again, it would certainly boost her image and I assume a little article – say in the Telegraph or so – about that would be well appreciated by CH and the Middletons. Hmmmm….
December 1st, 2008 12:08
When Irish eyes are smilin’
Why would Kate to go all the way to Ieland to study? They can speak English there too and have access to all the British tabs so I’m not so sure that would be all that in cognito?
December 1st, 2008 12:21
Alsgal, I agree. Unless she wears a wig and goes by a different name. Why else would Ked ask? Maybe he’s got an Irish lass and is worrying if she will be home in time for Christmas! I wonder if Chelsy is losing weight cause of stress? She’s knows the ends and outs of KM and PW relationship and how it’s being handled and might be getting worried it could happen to her too. Although, I think Harry is of a different character to let that happen.
December 1st, 2008 12:25
I think Ked just tried to spread some rumours …
December 1st, 2008 12:32
I think Chelsy is a very different character than KM. More independant anyway. She stayed in South Africa to finish her studies and rather had a long disctance relationship with PH. And she finished the relationship when he was off to France on her birthday. I think they have a close relationship, but they are very much used to being apart once in a while. And studying in Leeds instead of London was a sign that she loves PH, but not the paps that come with him.
Of course, I do not know her personally, but I get the impression she is a stronger and more independant character than KM.
December 1st, 2008 13:50
Chris234, I think we all know both of these girls are very strong and have to put up with a lot since they are dating Charles & Diana’s boys. None of this is easy for them but they are in love with them and they are going through the fire for them.
December 1st, 2008 15:55
Rman, not even the flames of hell could keep William and Kate apart — they are devotion personified.
December 1st, 2008 16:04
Alsgal, now that’s the truth.
December 1st, 2008 16:53
Hello gracie,
You could well be right old girl but I think at least one of us should go Ice dancing at Somerset House for each of the next seven days.
If it;s too cold or wet the paintings inside are good too??
December 1st, 2008 17:02
Hello,
But perhaps we should split up and cover Hyde Park as well especially on friday.
December 1st, 2008 17:03
ked,what the heck are you getting at? Can you please spit it out and stop being so bloody cloak and dagger…Sorry for my directness in the matter but many of us are frustrated with all the guessing games,speculation and theories. If this goes on much longer,I shall end up as bald as Prince William!
December 1st, 2008 17:03
Just to add to all of the mystery some one new on the IF forum “curiosity killed the cat” is now claiming that they, or their friend, I can’t remember which has a “big, secret contract” at one of the royal palaces. They think that it is something to do with Will & Kate & if is for Q1 of next year.
It is just amazing that over the last couple of weeks there have been at least 3 or 4 people coming up with supposed inside info. And most of it contradictory!!
December 1st, 2008 17:06
Ireland is not all that far. A flight from Bristol to Dublin takes about an hour. Personally, I think it would be a smart move on KM’s part if she was interested in graduate study because I think she would be more likely to pass unnoticed. She is studying something, per her attorney, and unless she is taking an online course at home, she is studying somewhere.
Nonetheless, based on Ked’s last post, I think he is just toying with us for his own amusement.
December 1st, 2008 17:11
Why would you think Kate more likely to go unnoticed in Dublin? Given it’s close proximity to England,I would think she would be just as noticed there as in london just maybe less paps.
December 1st, 2008 17:11
ps:
there now seem to be two theories are to why KM is seemingly in hiding
one theory holds she is in hiding to mend a broken heart away from any media spotlight…who would want any prying media pictures or questions under such circumstances? there would be pressure to appear upbeat before the camera while miserable and heartbroken; and what better plan than to stay out of the limelight while trying to figure out what new life plans to make
the other theory apparently holds that KM and PW are still a couple, but deliberately not having any public appearances so as to avoid any media spotlight and thereby stop the endless media speculation and pressure about possible engagement and marriage; this would mean no appearances of them together, for a good long time, although they may be seeing each other still in some incognito manner, or not
so, given those two theories, which is compatible with any available evidence?
supposedly some have said that pippa and her mother have been seen out and about and photographed, no? but that km has not been with them….
if KM were avoiding the media spotlight to avoid being seen with pw, so as to take the pressure off engagement media hype, would she also have to forego ANY public outings? even innocent outings with her mother and sister? wouldn’t it be okay for her to be seen with them, and still not rekindle marriage and engagement pressure?
otoh, if km were in hiding to mend a broken heart, then wouldn’t she avoid ANY media spotlight, including innocent outings and sightings with her sister and mother? because her aim would be to avoid being photographed or queried, as this would be painful and upsetting
December 1st, 2008 17:15
Well, my theory is Kate is not being seen in public because she has something on her finger that cannot be seen by the public yet and no way is it coming off to go to some race! they would have to pry it off her cold dead hand!
December 1st, 2008 17:15
Ked, I guess you’ll be doing lovely Somerset on your own as I live in US. Now if your paying, I’ll take first class, window seat, British Airways, direct flight. I hate lay- overs! Your theories are driving us nuts!!!
December 1st, 2008 17:19
I have just moved back from Ireland to the UK, having lived in dublin for over 4 years and I can tell you that KM would probably be as well known there as in the UK. In Ireland you get all of the UK papers (incl. the daily mail) and all of the celebrity mags. They also love to gossip & every one knows everyone, so I would be really surprised if she was there & no-one noticed.
December 1st, 2008 17:35
I don’t necessarily subscribe to the theory that KM is travelling to Dublin to take classes, but the I’ll play devil’s advocate.
You have to admit that Chelsy Davy has far more privacy than KM. This may be because she is a not as much of a pap magnet. However, it also may be, as someone has stated, that the University has banned coverage of her. How many pics have we seen of her going to/from classes or otherwise hanging out at the student union?
So let’s assume that just by going to uni KM gets more privacy. Even with a ban on coverage on uni grounds, she could be dogged every step of the way to and from. So, she slips out of the country maybe one day/week (as some have suggested she should do if she REALLY wanted privacy), attends a class or two and then slips back in. I think she could probably do it for awhile without someone letting the cat out of the bag. After all, I think she was involved with the Sisterhood event for awhile before it became public knowledge.
December 1st, 2008 17:39
Lisa you are funny, and you may be right. We all just have to wait and see. We may see the couple soon. Kate may just be working on some projects or somewhere with William. I think they just want to lay low from public life for awhile. The last time Kate was seen at the charity event, the paps was kind of out of control and I don’t think William liked that and seeing her in that kind of mess. I mean it was dangerous. So now that they are spending their time together out of the spotlight, we just have to wait for a public sighting. Trixie did put up some pictures of Chelsy going back to london so I wonder if she is staying with a friend?
December 1st, 2008 17:40
H,I have read the post you referred to on the IF(took me for-ever to find it,I might add,lol) and although I try to approach these types of things with extreme caution, we may be starting to see a pattern of movement here. If William and Kate are engaged and due to marry next year,planning would be underway for sure. The event will be the biggest public display the BRF has thrown since the wedding of Charles and Diana. Even though alot of the event will be handled in house,I would imagine there are quite a few things that would have to be contracted out. As more and more people enter the fold,confidentiality agreement or not,leaks will occur.
December 1st, 2008 18:01
Ked certainly knows how to strew some red herrings around.
December 1st, 2008 18:02
Lisa, I would love to think that some of these posters, like Sarah & Curiosity are genuine. This waiting game – are they, aren’t they etc etc & etc is driving me nuts
…. and Keds isn’t helping much either, though I think that that is his intention
December 1st, 2008 18:12
I always thought Sarah’s information sounded very realistic. Of course Kate and Chelsy were at the party. William and Kate are fine. The big question is,why has Kate not been seen is so long? Everything in my logical mind tells me something big is going on. If she got the ring and the engagement is official, her security would have begun. Clearly she could not go out in public with a royal protection officer because that would cause a stir heard across the land. So she stays low until the time is right. It seems to make alot more sense then her sitting at home going through box after box of tissues because her prince dumped her or whatever…JMO.
December 1st, 2008 18:30
I agree with you – the longer that it goes without any sighting of Kate, the more that I am convinced that they are together & fine. I & just trying to imagine the size of the tissue mountain with 2 & a half months worth of tissues – Snowdon or Mount Everest!!
December 1st, 2008 18:42
In this discussion about the absence of Will and Kate, we must remember that last summer he was reported to have said there were ways to keep out of the public eye. To take it further, I remember when Princess Margaret was dating she had a hidden apartment that they used to meet at so they would not be seen. Yes, I am old enough to remember this. I suggest everyone go get ready for Christmas. Spend time with aging relatives and or work in soup kitchens or shelters and then come back the day after Christmas and see if anything significant has happened.
December 1st, 2008 18:59
Grandma, you can sit on my lawnchair and drink a Molson’s with me anytime
Looking at Pippa’s smile at the races I couldn’t help but notice that she was grinning like a Cheshire cat.
She must have good reason, and I don’t think it’s just because she’s got Neil Simon Diamond for a beau.
I think they just showed us all is well in the Middleton world.
December 1st, 2008 19:23
Alsgal, pippa and carol at the races rubbing elbows with people who’s last name is Windsor…you can rest assured everything is ok in the Middleton house.
December 1st, 2008 19:31
Alsgal, I’ll be happy to share a glass of Molson’s anytime. With this currect financial mess here in the US I think we could use some cheering up. I’ve never had the opportunity to be in England, but would love to attend a royal wedding. At least in my dreams.
December 1st, 2008 20:46
Now The U.S Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice played the piano for Her Majesty at Buckingham Palace on Monday, but The Queen had discipline her corgi first. I thought this video was alittle amusing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7759872.stm
December 1st, 2008 22:05
“Of course, I do not know her personally, but I get the impression she [Chelsy] is a stronger and more independant character than KM.”
Chris234, for me that went out of the window when Chelsy threw a hissy fit because Harry was late picking her up from the airport a few years back when she came to visit him — because he mistakenly went to the wrong terminal.
Then more drama when she made a show of quitting the relationship with him when it was rumored that she felt he didn”t make enough of an effort to see her in Leeds when she first arrived, complete with morose faces via photographs in a car and walking along with red eyes. Gimme a break. She was living in a rathole, for him there are safety concerns.
My advice to her: GROW UP LITTLE GIRL, THE WORLD DOESN’T REVOLVE AROUND YOU!!!!!
Oh God, I’m discussing Harry & Chelsy. TAKE ME NOW LORD!!!
December 2nd, 2008 03:01
I think Chris234 was referring to the fact that Chelsy has gone to Leeds and is pursuing a career/education of some kind. Kate on the other hand has done very little for 5 years 2/3 of which she did not even have a small job for. Even if her degree is just for show (I am sure someone will raise that point soon), at least she has the common sense to know that a royal or potential royal must at least appear to be doing some worthwhile to escape criticism.
Besides, wouldn’t you be annoyed if your partner forgot to pick you up from the airport after a 10 hour flight when you have come all this way to see them? (even in business class/first class it is still not a wonderful experience) and it was hardly a hissy fit anyway. She didn’t yell at him in the middle of the airport she just looked annoyed which is understandable really.
She never made a show after they broke up. She has just never smiled for the camera at all. Her red eyes (which I never saw) may have just been the result of tiredness. I have just had to delay my degree of a year (I’m pregnant) but I was doing a law degree and I can tell you it is hard work.
When has Kate ever been independent anyway?
December 2nd, 2008 03:52
Kate was in university until 2005. How do you know she did nothing for the last 2 years at university while complimenting Chelsy for her studies? It’s only been 3 (!) years since Kate left university. She has worked for Jigsaw from November 2006 – Oct/Nov. 2007 and has been working for PP since January 2008. So for 2 (!) of those 3 years she was employed.
Chelsy is a law student by now nothing more and nothing less. She has 5 months per year plus weekends off and doesn’t seem to use that time for anything but party and vacation. How that should be a praiseworthy “career” move in comparison to partttime employment is beyond me. Any career for her would start AFTER her degree is finished. Once she works her 50 – 60 hour week at a law firm or a charity organization, you can start praising her for her “career”.
And sorry but Chelsy puts on a rather annoying damsell in distress show whenever she spots a photographer. A brief smile and pleasant facial expression never hurt anyone. If she can’t stand the heat of press attention she needs to get out of the kitchen! Does she plan to have that scowl and pout on her face when carrying out royal engagements, too? For someone who knows what royals are supposed to appear like in public, she makes far too many mistakes with the press. She’s too dismissive with the paparazzi and mainly takes bad pics but she’s also too careless with her private pictures which repeatedly end up in newspapers.
Kate makes mistakes in the opposite way. She is a little too friendly with the paps. Her big smile is overdone. And maybe she’s too careful guarding her private life to the point that some believe she doesn’t even have friends – just because she’s not kind enough to put her pics online for everyone to enjoy.
I don’t see how either woman is “better” than the other.
I also don’t see Chelsy as “independent” in comparison to Kate. Independent of whom? Her parents? Certainly not! They pay her living and given the life style she’s used to will also have to support her for quite some time till she furthered any career enough to make the big bugs or married a rich guy. Harry? Nope, spend as much of her free time in the UK with him as she could while studying in SA and then moved to the UK for him and travels every week to London to see him while complaining that he doesn’t come to meet her in Leeds.
Btw. I don’t think that’s anything bad. I don’t get why a woman should be praised for being independent if she doesn’t want to spend time with her beau. And if that beau is a royal Prince, I guess the places you can meet a limited. So her behaviour is perfectly fine but I don’t see the big difference to Kate. The only difference is that Kate never lived abroad and why should she have moved to another country just to “prove” her independence of William?
December 2nd, 2008 05:13
Wow, it was repeated so many times by posters ? in IF that I was convinced ?! Thanks for the insight.
December 2nd, 2008 05:49
Trixie, I’m so happy someone else finds Chelsy’s damsel in distress act annoying. It may work on Harry but it will not work on the British public! She needs to work on some more pleasant facial expressions in the future so she doesn’t look brain dead on her Royal engagements. Don’t like the paparazzi don’t date Harry…it’s black and white.
December 2nd, 2008 08:00
B: “Besides, wouldn’t you be annoyed if your partner forgot to pick you up from the airport after a 10 hour flight when you have come all this way to see them?”
In a word, NO. Things happen, people are late. Her boyfriend went to the wrong gate to get her. Be grateful someone cares enough to meet you. If she wanted a punctual ride, hail a cab.
B: “She never made a show after they broke up. She has just never smiled for the camera at all. Her red eyes (which I never saw) may have just been the result of tiredness.”
I saw them. She clearly had been up all night crying and was upset. Moping about in front of the cameras after it was widely reported she split from him. A juvenile cry for attention from him. I would have dropped her then and there if I was him.
“I have just had to delay my degree of a year (I’m pregnant) but I was doing a law degree and I can tell you it is hard work.”
I AM a lawyer and have been and worked with lawyers for nearly 30 years. I KNOW IT’S HARD WORK. But thanks for the information.
December 2nd, 2008 08:18
One of the reasons I started posting here yesterday is that I thought this forum was fair and unlike other forums I have lurked on posters tried to steer away from the bashing of the royal girlfriends. So it has been with great disappointment that I read the latest Chelsy V Kate posts. I know I am going to get my head bitten off for saying this and I do understand that this is a forum for open debate and as a newbie I know I am putting my oar where it will not be welcomed, but I feel I must say this. It is a real shame because I feel no incentive to hang around and contribute further.
As this is my last post here permit me to just say that Kate and Chelsy should never be compared, it is extremely unfair to both ladies. They are individuals who have grown up in differing environments with different cultures. They both deserve our respect because neither have cracked even under the greatest provocation, and most important both remain loyal to their men.
I believe both have exceptional qualities and I also believe that both have weaknesses (who here does not). But to criticise someone because the facial expression they displayed in a photo that represents a fraction of time and in most cases is deliberately misleading seems a little unfair. Apologies but the lecture is over, and I am going to run and hide now …
December 2nd, 2008 08:37
Comparisson will always be used.
Good luck and nice to read your posts.
December 2nd, 2008 09:02
Chelsy’s red eyes/crying all night may have been caused by the knowledge that her BF was headed for a war zone.
December 2nd, 2008 09:05
Me, that’s true.
But it’s kind of like comparing apples with oranges, isn’t it? Each has its benefits and detriments, and just because I prefer oranges doesn’t mean apples are bad.
K&C are two very different girls involved with two very different guys who, if they marry the Princes, will have different roles anyway due to the law of succession.
I prefer to compare Kate to the other middle class girls who have married Crown Princes, because they will be future Queens like she will(or might) be one day.
How does she stack up next to a Maxima at 26, a Rania or Queen Noor at 26, Mary, Mette, etc.
Now that’s the sort of comparison I find interesting.:)
December 2nd, 2008 09:39
Alsgal, Maxima only 26? Wow, she needs to stay out of the sun! I agree with you that KM will need more job experience to compare to those ladies. Not even Camilla stacks up to them in comparison, she has not even had a college education or a job up until she married PC. Yes, she did raise her children but just how much of that time was w/a nanny? Seems she was pretty busy trying to keep PC satisfied and maintain the illusion of a marriage. If you notice the princes of those princesses are were a good 10yrs older than PW when they married and they generally marry younger women than themselves. I think PW will marry later in his life like his daddy did.
December 2nd, 2008 09:47
Gracie, I wouldn’t even compare Camilla with roadkill.
Compared to what Maxima or any of the current crop of Crown Princesses were doing when they were 26, how is Kate doing by comparison?
December 2nd, 2008 11:16
Does anyone know why Prince William chose St. Andrews and not Oxford or Cambridge like his dad?
December 2nd, 2008 11:27
I think it was mainly for good PR so Scotland won’t leave the UK?
December 2nd, 2008 11:59
Bat,
Good post! Welcome!
December 2nd, 2008 12:32
Great post, Bat.
“Don’t like the paparazzi don’t date Harry…it’s black and white.”
Sorry, I do not think it is that easy. Obviously you live a lot of your time in the public – and at times, this is probably fine. WHEN you are prepared for it, all dressed up for the even (ball, races, whatever), with the right make-up etc. Probably then you can even enjoy the limelight, because it is flattering.
But not to be able to go shopping or go to a Pub or going for a walk – whatever really – without people taking pics of you, that must be hard and I do not think ANYBODY has to put up with this. E.g. in Germany there is even a law that protects celebrities, so paps can only take pics at public events. I think, some years ago Princess Caroline sued the yellow press up to the high courts and now she (and other royals) lead(s) a better life, at least with the German yellow press.
December 2nd, 2008 12:38
I get the impression that the English and Spanish press are rather merciless – friends in both countries confirmed that. To be a Royal in a Scandinavian country or in the Benelux is also highly demanding – but the pressure is apparently bearable.
December 2nd, 2008 12:50
So, to conclude – I do not mind if Chelsy or Kate do not smile for the paps, in particular when they are apparently busy going for a walk, arriving at an airport after a 10 hours flight, going shopping with friends, whatever.
In particular, as they are not a royal family member yet – they should not have the same obligations.
Obviously, if they get married, they will have to somehow work with the press (but not necessarily with the paps!) but then they will have a PR team, stylists, make-up artists etc to support them.
December 2nd, 2008 13:38
Hello,
I remember the time when PW was ‘applying’ for Univ( I was applying at the same time) and it was thought that he would be going to Edinburgh to do law.(I seem to remember)
However he chose Aberdeen because it was the premier Scotish University and was ‘furtherst from London’.
Its proximity to his Scotish bolt hole was also a consideration as his girl friend at the time was known on the estate.
December 2nd, 2008 13:52
Hi all,
Maybe we should all follow Grandma’s advice!
Okay, I took another peek at the other website, RA, against my better judgement. Every click/hit on that website increases its ad revenue.
I noticed a couple of political posts, commenting on the recent US election. Now I can see why my attempted post had been deleted back in early November, since I had made a very positive comment about our wonderful president-elect. It was clearly at odds with the sentiment there.
Anyhow, does anyone remember that best selling book, The Rules, that had been popular in the 1990s?
Of course it had to be taken with a grain of salt, and generated all manner of both supporting and condemning commentary. Its points were traditional and a bit retro, but they rang true in many ways.
While I think km is a lovely girl, and deserving of the best, I can’t help but think she could have benefitted from reading The Rules.
Her behavior was contrary to its maxims in so many ways. She seemed to be the one who had to arrange her schedule and her life to accomodate pw, even apparently adjusting her work hours to make herself available. The rules, in contrast, advocates having one’s own life, career, ambitions, and letting the admiring man adjust, not vice versa.
And, the rules would recommend against taking a man back so easily after a rough patch, especially if he initiated the breakup. Applying this logic, perhaps km should not have taken pw back following that 2007 breakup without a ring and a date.
Her protracted absence, at a point where pw was realizing his loss, might have helped him clarify his intentions. And, if he had decided against a proposal,at least this would have spared her two more years of limbo, and possible heartbreak.
Really, the premises of the rules are just the basics of behavioral psychology: people devalue what is too easily attained, and they are unlikely to expend the effort of commitment to someone who is already largely available without it.
I hope km doesn’t wait too many more years. She deserves someone who cherishes her, and it’s not at all clear she’s receiving that kind of treatment lately.
December 2nd, 2008 13:55
Oh, and I also think it is unfair and a bit unrealistic to compare KM or CD with their parent’s generations, as the standards have changed completely.
Both Diana and Camila did not have a university degree, but those were the Seventies/beginning of Eighties. As a young woman from a rich family you did not necessarily pursue education, because you would marry sb rich anyway. If I am not mistaken, Diana – as lovely as she was – did not even have her A-levels (for my US fellows – she did not finish highschool). But to become a princess, you had to have blue blood (one of the reasons why PC married D instead of C).
Today it is completely different. Young women aspiring to become a princess are expected to have a university degree and a decent career. Sorry, but blue blood, a size two, shiny hair and a coy smile are not enough anymore. The Maximas (banker on Wallstreet), Marys (PR), Mathildes (pediatrician), Letizias (journalists) out there have that, I think, apart from Mette Marit from Norway (and as far as I know the Norwegians were not happy about that at the beginning).
Oh, and I would not call KM middle class. Her parents are after all millionaires, she went to a private school and to a prestigious (=expensive) university. Yes, she is not part of aristocracy, but she is not exactly middle class.
December 2nd, 2008 14:11
Chris234 – I respectfully disagree with you regarding Chelsy and the paparazzi
December 2nd, 2008 14:36
Anastasia, Kate Middleton doesn’t want to do anything worse than the lovely wife of the wonderful President-elect wants to do, and who is being applauded for doing so: stay home and raise her children, be a supportive wife, and do some charity work.
Michelle Obama herself has said that she realized after trying to juggle work, kids, and being the wife of a powerful man that she couldn’t do it all.
Even with that, she has had and will have plenty of staff to help her — just as lovely Kate will.
Kate is just skipping a step and that in itself is what’s pissing people off.
Both have degrees from fine universities, but both are ultimately not choosing to use them in a traditional career gal role.
I say to each his own, and may everyone pursue their own special brand of happiness.
December 2nd, 2008 15:15
Britt – I am fine with that.
I am not saying that have eaten wisdom with my silver spoon . Damn it, really.
December 2nd, 2008 15:33
I wonder will we see Kate hunting with William again? Last time not too many people liked seeing her do that. Which I didn’t get because hunting is part of life.
December 2nd, 2008 15:59
Rman, I agree with you it is part of life but I guess most of us humans just don’t want to see the face of what we eat first, and prefer to get our McDonald’s or food from the grocery store in nice little square containers, looking as far removed from the source as possible.
Doesn’t really disguise the fact that we are eating something we really don’t have to nutrition wise — still I do like my wings with sauce!
But does a vegetarian actress/fashionista have the right to lecture everyone else when she’s walking around with collagen in her lips (Hollywood prefers the cow based kind) whilst sporting a leather Dior bag?
Like I always say, to each his own, but people should check themselves first before they get so righteous with everyone else.
December 2nd, 2008 16:00
A few photos of The Queen & Duke of Edinburgh on shoot.
http://tinyurl.com/5dvrgb
December 2nd, 2008 16:01
You are so right Alsgal.
December 2nd, 2008 16:45
Hi gang
I have a feeling the first sighting we see of Kate after this absence will be a carefully orchestrated one and not her going about normal stuff or coming out of a club with William. Watch and see how they move the pieces into place 
December 2nd, 2008 16:54
I have the same feeling Lisa.
December 2nd, 2008 17:25
Seems there is a article in Tatler magazine, about why Pr. William won’t propose to Kate.
December 2nd, 2008 17:38
To be fair, I will post nearly the same here as I have done on another forum with similar interests.
Naturally it is every one’s prerogative to completely ignore what I’ve said regarding the end of Prince William’s most recent relationship (with Miss Middleton) but I stand by what I said. It is based on a complete knowledge of the fact.
But to be clear, I did not say it on any one’s behalf nor in any official capacity. I will also add that in my choosing to write on both a public blog and a public forum, no confidences have been betrayed as a result of my little post… in case this was of concern to anyone that might have seen my first post as dubious at best.
Why I have chosen to do so is a slightly more complicated matter but in any case in about two weeks or so this news will inevitably begin to circulate in a much more public manner. That’s all.
December 2nd, 2008 17:52
What is frustrating is how the lack of news from William and Kate has driven people to begin to try to make news where there is none. My question to karagiosis is that if you are so close to William and Kate as to know intimate details of their lives,why would you show up on at least two internet forums,one of which is A)known to be hostile to HRH and Miss Middleton and B) known to be prowled by tabloid reporters who take rumors found online and print them in the birdcage liners they call newspapers?
December 2nd, 2008 17:56
Karagiosis, if they are broken up was a third party envolved?
December 2nd, 2008 17:57
Dear Mr. Kargiosis (clever name, that):
Unless you are King Constantine, I see no reason to give any credit to what you say.
December 2nd, 2008 17:58
gracie,maybe Kate has dumped William for her secret lover in Dublin? Hey,now there’s an angle! Maybe ked can help us out with some more hints..
December 2nd, 2008 18:01
Lisa,
For the time being don’t be so hard on karagiosis’ post!
December 2nd, 2008 18:07
ked,I am sorry but I call it like I see it. If the information is factual it will come out in due course but you as well as anyone know how I feel about posters making claims as fact without offering sufficent sources. It America we call it getting your chain jerked. I am quite sure that only William and Kate’s closest friends and family or someone working close to William would possess such intimate information and I would strongly question why they would be posting it her or on the IF.
December 2nd, 2008 18:17
Lisa,
Poosibly because warnings may have gone out to editors
December 2nd, 2008 18:23
Lisa, are you being sarcastic?
Why will it take about two more weeks to get out? Is that when the press ban is over? As much as I would like CH to announce they might have ended it, I don’t think a word will come from them. Instead leaks will be made to the press.
December 2nd, 2008 18:25
ok,ked,I will indulge here for a moment. The BRF has never even acknowledged William and Kate’s relationship why would they send out a ‘warning” to editors that they are going to announce a breakup? And two weeks ahead of Christmas. Sorry, but it is not logical.
More likely that this is yet another anti W/K poster visiting us to stir up trouble and push their agenda.
December 2nd, 2008 18:38
Lisa, I am with you.
December 2nd, 2008 18:48
puaola, Tatler is not saying that he won’t propose but that he hasn’t yet. Lisa you are hitting it right on the head. I just want to let it be known that there are posters on royal sites that is pushing their own agenda. I’m not trying to be hard on any new posters but that is a fact that it’s happening.
December 2nd, 2008 18:56
We all have to show the same patients like we all have done in the past. We all on here know that this royal couple disappear from time to time, to conduct their relationship in private and out of the media’s eye. Who in their right mind would want to be in the spotlight all the time? They gave us so much excitement this year, I think they deserve a couple of months of privacy don’t you?
December 2nd, 2008 18:59
OMG
This couple are causing a little cabin fever! If they had sent out “warnings” to tabolid newspapers the frenzy would have already begun they would have hunted Kate down like a dog already.
That’s just my opinon. If they have broken up we will hear about it in due course and if not we will hear about it in due course. I am also now a lot more suspicious about any poster who comes on here with “factual” information positive or negative.
Alsgal proved a pretty important point a short while ago as AKA Phyllis. So karagiosis and Sarah I’ll believe it when I see it….
December 2nd, 2008 19:03
Now about the Tatler Magizine, I don’t know what’s in it but I think it’s safe to say that everybody wants to know what will happen to this couple next. Lets face it, they are a beloved royal couple and they have a big fan base, which I’m happy to be a part of. Everybody wants to know what the next step will be. I’m telling you they are keeping us all on the edge of our seats.
December 2nd, 2008 19:04
Lisa,
You are correct when you say the RF has never acknowledged PW/KM relationship as anything other than ‘good friends’ and that has been said on several occasions.
PW and KM will remain good friends and that will be the basis of any announcement (if any is ever made) and will probably be a a press release something along the lines of ” PW has been friendly with the Middleton family for many years and has recently spent a family holiday with them in the Caribbean.”
Unfortunately many of our friends on here have an exaggerated impression of the moral integrity amongst our ‘ancient families’ and their offspring without appreciating that over the centuries that integrity has been found wanting but they have just one objective, survival and continuity.
There is no change of attitude at the top.
December 2nd, 2008 19:05
Tatler knows Kate and William sell magazines so they ,like many others such as Hello,will use them whenever they can to increase circulation. There is no story. They are using them as an example of long term couple who are not married yet.
December 2nd, 2008 19:13
ok ked, sorry but neither you nor I have any knowledge of what the content of any statement made by the BRF might be or what the future relationship of William and Kate may be. We can only offer opinions lets try please to remember that when posting. I get it that you think they are no longer a couple and will be friends and he treated her badly and they love each other and there was some big conspiracy to get her out of his life etc. And thats fine. Those are your opinions but please do not state them as facts. You can state that you feel the moon is purple and your entitled to that opinion but if your stating something as fact then please,as they say..Show me the money!
December 2nd, 2008 19:23
Hi all,
Allsgal, your comments about our new first lady elect were very lovely!
You’re right, like her, KM has the right to choose a more traditional path, rather than a hard driving career. More power to them both!
In fact, here in the states, there has been a mini-trend for several years, in which young, well-educated women are opting not to have a career. Many of them have seen their own mothers juggle high powered career and motherhood, and they say it’s not for them. These are women graduating from the most elite US universities. Of course, there is a bit of a class element to this: to be able to opt out of both a career and the job market, one’s spouse has to be making a fairly high salary.
In any case, as for KM and PW, alll we can do is wait.
And perhaps follow Grandma’s advice.
December 2nd, 2008 19:24
Ked, Karagiosis,
You keep saying that something will come out soon or in two weeks. Karagiosis, if whatever news you shared with a couple of forums is true, how can you say that you know it to be a fact but are not breaking any confidences? If you know it as a fact then you must be either in the RF or in their closest circle. If either one of them gave you the go ahead, then why not just come out with it. Why is it that the papers have gone so quiet about Kate? I can’t imagine anyone Kate or William who is that opposed to leaking that they would go to all the trouble to stay out of the media just to let someone break the news this way. Besides that would put the news coming out around Christmas. That would be awful. I guess what I am trying to say it that I beleve that they are in love and that they are making plans for their future. I will wait and see. I hope that you are wrong and that they are still very much together.
December 2nd, 2008 19:26
I am one of those who believes that there is not, and never has been, a romantic relationship between the two. That said, Lisa is correct: no one with any real knowledge is going to post on here. Even an editor who has been “warned”. What do they gain by it? Unless they are on some kind of power trip, there is no benefit to the tabs or paps to stifle speculation about the relationship. It sells papers.
Also, ked, if you are correct, that the word has been spread around the media to “back off” the story because there is no story, someone forgot to tell a close friend of the family, i.e., T P-T.
December 2nd, 2008 19:30
Phoebe, are you saying that you don’t think there has ever been a, ahem, “physical” relationship between William and Kate? Or are you suggesting there is only a physical relationship between them and they really don’t like each other beyond that aspect?
December 2nd, 2008 19:30
Rman,
Over the months I have admired the support that you give to the couple and you and I have always hoped for the desired ending.
If that ending will come or not is at present unknown and as I mentioned earlier the “not” will only be apparent by default.
As it stands the paps are , like many of us, waiting for something, an announcement, a comment or a sighting but it is possible that non of these will come about.
Over the years , it will be mentioned , and referred to , initially quite frequently but eventually very occasionlly and finally only intermititently until that notice, probably in the Times that ” Mr and Mrs M. have pleasure in announcing the engagement of their daughter etc “with the final sting. ” Miss M was a very good friend of PW (or possibly The PoW by that time) and was at University with him earlier this century.
I hope not but can’t you just see it coming ?
December 2nd, 2008 19:52
Lisa,
I guess I am just not convinced that KM is his “girlfriend”. The body language is not persuasive. But, I have been wrong on this point before, and people close to PW have dropped clues: PH was quoted in the Canadian press as saying that his brother was “in love”, although no name was mentioned; the aforementioned reference by T P-T, again with no name. I have to conclude that if it is not KM to whom they are referring, it will be a bombshell whenever the name becomes public.
December 2nd, 2008 20:01
Thank you Ked, as you can see I’m a fan of the couple. All we can do is wait Ked, that is what we have been doing all along. There are times that they won’t appear in the public and we just have to wait for them to do that. The reason why I am saying this is because we have been though this before. The minute they go missing for awhile, the speculation starts and everyone on the royal sites go into state of panic and think well maybe it’s over. None of this is new. Then in awhile they re-appear again. They got to have their private moments, they can’t be in the publics eye all the time. All royal couples do this. So lets all be patient.
December 2nd, 2008 20:03
Ked,
You have left me speechless. How can someone who wanted to impress his girlfriend by landing a helicoptesr in her yard just a few short months ago have no feelings for her now? How can someone who has shared so much of her with the public this year now join the SAR to get away from her? Are there people who want to break them up? Is this William talking or someone else? They have been to charity events, two wedding together, vacations, to family functions. Does this not show the depth of his feelings towards her? I can’t believe that it will just end this way. I sincerely hope that you have misunderstood the situation between them. I am not being negative about you. I just hope that you have the wrong perception about them. I do hope that we see Kate soon. I do admire her.
December 2nd, 2008 20:03
Phoebe, They are talking about Kate but they won’t go into too much detail. It’s about respecting the couple.
December 2nd, 2008 20:18
Perhaps they are both feeling the pressure of expectations that they are not sure that they can fulfil. In the past few months, there have been two magazine articles focused on KM. What happens to TWO biographies of KM if she doesn’t marry PW? Don’t you agree that this is a little excessive, given that no engagement has been announced, or that no relationship has been officially acknowledged? People are going crazy in their name. If I were them, I’d probably join the French Foreign Legion.
December 2nd, 2008 20:23
Well,Phoebe, I would not worry about the bios’s. They well surely sell enough copies to make profit and that is what it is all about for the publishers. The timing of the new bio has me thinking maybe they did get some cooperation from the family with an agreement that the book not be published until april when possible the wedding is forthcoming.
All this speculation is kinda funny considering there has never been any reputable news source claiming a break up between William and Kate yet so many are convinced they have split.
December 2nd, 2008 20:43
Hi Kat,
I hope I have misread the situation but you must remember that PW is first and foremost a Windsor , a Royal Prince and an eventual King.
All that matters is the survival of the Sovereign and the succession of the heirs . This has been going on for centuries and against many odds have managed to maintain their regal position.
I am myself a Royalist but a realist and historically I appreciate that over the years what had to done was done.
PW is no different now. Had his mother still been alive to guide him the way she wanted him to grow up he may have been different but over the past 8/10 years there has been a change in his personality and he is not the boy KM initially fell in love with.
From what I have seen and read PW genuinely loved KM and she obviously reciprocates that love but I am not certain that they are now , in love.
This however will not be enough to deflect him from the ultimate , to inherit the throne (always assuming he still wants that) and if “others” feel that KM may deflect him in any way she will be sacrificed.
Remember, as I said earlier, there has never been a formal acknowledgement of a relationship, and they will remain good friends and if she marries another he will be the God father to her children.
It’s happened before with his father and many of his ancestors but obviously I hope it doesn’t go along those lines.
December 2nd, 2008 20:49
Ked,
Here you go again, lots of clever and ambiguous possibilities and plausibilities. BUT, old-wise-one, none have proven so. Most recently I can think of 1) The wedding that you suggested didn’t happen in Kenya – it did 2) I think you used the word “thaw-out” or “ease the freeze” on Kate. NOPE, all is still the same, probably because noone is “freezing” her out.
Well, it’s all for fun and entertainment. I just don’t think it is fair to throw it out there as a fact, when it’s not.
December 2nd, 2008 21:00
TEATEA – I agree with you completely!! Enough is enough.
December 2nd, 2008 21:08
Wow, ked, you are positively medieval!
December 2nd, 2008 21:29
ked do you honestly believe the stuff you are saying or is it all simply for amusement? You speak of PW as if you have known him your whole life. I have a hunch you haven’t.Goodnight all.
December 2nd, 2008 21:31
Lisa there you go, hitting it on the head again. No papers are speculating that they have split but many bloggers are. Lol. Ked the big formal acknowledgement of the relationship came with the invitation to The Order of The Garter. But I have said this before, the minute they are in public together people go crazy by saying how great they look and this couple must really love each other but the minute they disapper for awhile you read comments that they didn’t believe they was in love anyway or that relationship looks odd. This happens over and over again. We have been through this dark lonely road before. Everybody and their mama knows that when Kate appeared at the Garter Service, the girl was in and that has not changed. When Sophie appeared with the royal family at the decommissioning of the Royal Yacht Britannia Service, everyone knew that she was in and the speculation went into overdrive on when Edward was going to pop the question. So all royal experts is just waiting on when William will do his. Now William is going into the service for awhile longer, he secured Kate by his side with or without a ring. What step they will take next is what is getting us all fired up and ready to go.
December 2nd, 2008 21:48
Well for those of you that are in the U.S, The State Opening of Parliament will be broadcasted on C-Span at 5:30 AM tomorrow morning. That is one of my favorite royal ceremonies other than The Order of The Garter. I would do anything to see our President Barack Obama deliever his State of The Union Speech like that.
December 2nd, 2008 21:54
Rman – Again, YOU hit it on the head again!!!! Very, Very well said.
December 2nd, 2008 23:40
Obama in an ermine robe and a tiara — now that I’d like to see!
But it will be a very elegant Inauguration and let me tell you, if anyone is planning to visit DC on Jan. 20th — you had better buy yourself a Winnebago to snooze in because all of the hotels are sold out.
Alsgal thought of maybe sleeping in a port-a-potty but once you have rolled down an embankment in one of those babies, it is hard to get back up on that horse (or potty.)
December 3rd, 2008 01:37
Good point Rman. The decommission of Brittannia was in December 1997. If my memory serves me right Sophie was pictured with HM and the rest of the royal family on the yacht at the occassion. The engagement between Edward and her however was not announced until January 1999 with the wedding in June.
December 3rd, 2008 01:57
hi all,
Rman, that ceremony sounds fascinating!
Alsgal, some of the visual images that your posts invoke are hilarious!
otherwise, in defense of ked, i think ked has more inside info than most of us posting on here; so, even at those times when things appear to be going well for km and pw, such as when they were in the seychelles, ked provided info that, even then, appearances may have been deceptive; that was just one example of how things weren’t good even when they superficially appeared good.
otherwise,as Ked is suggesting, it probably does help to sometimes see things from a more historical or structural perspective; the monarchy has its own inherent organizational logic and this imposes constraints on its various members;
but, on the other hand, each member of the monarchy has some free will and autonomy, and can use this to make decisions, even those decisions that go against the preservation of the monarchy as an institution.
my history is weak here, but weren’t there some notorious cases in British history? of members of the royal family who rebelled and went against the grain and rejected the monarchical dicates and instead pursued their own interests? of course to act autonomously requires a certain strength of character or determination or whatever, and it’s not clear pw has that.
otherwise, Rman seems to be arguing that even though the RF never officially or formally acknowledged km’s status as pw’s girlfriend, the mere fact km was invited to certain functions was tantamount to official annoucement and recognition of her formal status.
but, that’s where i tend to agree more with ked; of course everyone would say that, on the face of it, km is pw’s official and formally acknowledged girlfriend, since she was invited to such ceremonies, such as the royal garter ceremony. But that’s where the RF is so sly and tricky.
KM gets invited, and even she thinks this is highly significant; but, in the absence of the formal verbal acknowledgement that she has a real romantic relt’p with pw, things are still very ambiguous. yes, she was invited, but if pressed, the RF can insist she was invited only in the capacity of good friend.
They are all carefully and deliberately creating and nurturing that ambiguity. It serves their interests well. They can use that to defend pw if public opinion turns against his callow treatment of km, by insisting that everyone knew all along that km was just a good friend and no one *ever* said anything differently. It’s all rather ghastly but it’s the monarchy’s way of protecting itself and pw appears willing to cave.
December 3rd, 2008 02:09
ps:
Trixie, someone should send Chelsey a copy of The Rules fast! She travels to london b/c ph is too whatever to go see her in leeds?! that is astonishing!
December 3rd, 2008 02:10
Just to clarifie. Has the BRF EVER “acknowledged” a partner of any member prior to an engagement? Was there ever a public announcement about Sophie or Camilla, Autumn, Fergie, Diana, Chelsy, Mike? I don’t think so. There were the “Camilla is non negotiable” articles but that wasn’t a public official announcement.
To expect William to be the exception and shout out loud “This is my girlfriend” when everyone knows it anyways, is rather absurd. Noone would fall for the “they were just friends” line anyways – yeah “friends” for 5 years, living together, holidaying together, attending high profile events exclusively with her and then she was such a great “friend” that she was even invited to family weddings William didn’t even attend himself – if they put that one out they may as well publicly announce William is gay because that would be the only way this claim was half way believeable.
December 3rd, 2008 02:27
But you know, Kate is his girlfriend and his friend. That is what make them so special and what has brung them this far, is the friendship in their relationship. I have always believed that a couple married or not have to be friends. Now if anyone think that they are just friends and not boyfriend & girlfriend is totally out of their mind because we know that’s not true. It’s so different to carry out a royal relationship in this day and age. And in William’s position in the royal family, people have this image of what his future Princess & Queen will have to be but we are now in a modern world and he has a modern woman. I sometimes read other royal blogs and I think a lot of bloggers have to realize that William is in love with the girl, he may not hold her hand in public and kiss her so all the paps can see how much he loves her but that doesn’t take away how he really feels about her. I have no doubt in my mind that when they get into the privacy of their own homes, things are much more different. We have to give them time and they will let us know what will happen next.
December 3rd, 2008 02:32
Trixie,
The KM/PW is way too different from the sophie, camilla, and autumn case. PW will be king, and KM may be queen as well if she marries william. So there has to be an official announcement as there was one for lady diana and PC (the future king of england).
Although everyone knows that KM is dating PW, there has to be an acknowledgment from the RF. I do believe that PW and KM have been more than friends (they’ve dating) all these years, but if the RF does not acknowledge this relationship, then this relationship may not be as serious even though KM/PW are taking it seriously. Lets remember that PW cant just do what he wants, he has to follow the royal family rules, and even though the Royal family doesnt seem to be opposing to this relationship ( KM has been invited to many events) there hasnt been an official acknowledgment from the RF. This might be probably because for the RF KM may just be a friend or companion even though for william KM means more than that.
December 3rd, 2008 02:41
anastasia,
I posted my comment without reading your comment first. I see that both of us agree on the possibility of being invited to royal events as a friend.
I swear, I didnt read your comment before posting mine. Dont think I plagiarized your comment.
December 3rd, 2008 04:03
sonia, of course there will be an announcement – that of an engagement. Diana wasn’t recognised as mere girlfriend she was introduced as fiance. However BEFORE they are engaged no announcement will be made.
December 3rd, 2008 04:32
i thinked PW and KM cover stories on the mag. will be sold in the stalls and it will be outof stack, because of many people dig about their relationship and wat happened to their lives. especially PW.