Chelsy Davy lands work experience at Legal Firm
Prince Harry’s squeeze Chelsy Davy is temporarily abandoning fashionable nightclubs and is taking a further step towards amalgamation with the Royal Family.
The 23-year-old law student has just started a two-week stint of work experience with the Queen’s solicitors Farrer and Co.
In the run-up to Christmas, she will be based at the prestigious and long-established legal firm’s offices in Lincoln’s Inn Fields.
On a vacation placement, Chelsy would be paid £250 a week – hardly enough to fund a repeat of her antics last Saturday at Kensington nightclub Amika, where she and her pals reportedly spent £500 on rum cocktails.
I’m told it is highly unlikely that fun-loving Chelsy would have got her placement without pulling strings of some kind.
A legal source tells me: ‘These City law firms only ever interview Oxbridge graduates and, normally speaking, someone from Leeds would not get a look-in. This isn’t because the firms look down on other universities – it is simply because they consider that Oxbridge fulfils all their needs, so why bother to broaden the net?’
Meanwhile, I am told the senior solicitors at Farrer’s have been greatly looking forward to their glamorous new addition. ‘We’re taking bets on who will be the first person to ask her to get the teas in,’ says one. (via the Daily Mail)
December 9th, 2008 07:53
A 2 week PR stunt, somehow you start somewhere, with or not connections. That’s life.
December 9th, 2008 08:15
The article is a good example how these things work for royal girlfriends. You don’t do anything – you’re damned. You get a position somewhere (even if it’s a short internship) you’re being accused of exploiting your royal connections. Why should such a prestigious law firm take her on if she doesn’t fullfill the requirements? Just so that the associates can have “tea” with the “glamorous” girlfriend of a royal? That’s such sexist b/s! I am sure they choose their interns by qualification and obviously Chelsy made the grade.
If they already make such a fuss over a 2-week-internship what will they write once she gets a full fledged probably well paid job in a law firm?
December 9th, 2008 08:30
Chelsy has been very lucky to have seen what KM gone through w/the press and learn from it. Being shown working early on after she graduates is the best thing to do although she will still have detrators. She must be “in” to have landed that slot even if its just running around for the other law clerks.
December 9th, 2008 09:15
I agree — but at least she’s not lounging around a pool somewhere warm like a trust fund baby.
She can’t be completely stupid as even if she didn’t go to Oxbridge she’s obviously smart enough to go to law school, so I say good for her and yes, she probably has learned from criticism of Kate what not to do.
I guess it comes down to this: it’s better to be criticised for “exploiting” one’s connections then to be criticised for not doing so and therefore being considered “workshy.”
Neither is great, but the former is probably preferable to the latter.
December 9th, 2008 09:32
Sorry pal, i don’t undrestand what this article talking about, you mean Chelsy Davy is graduate now from her university???? congratulations Miss Chelsy Davy, now you have column heading in your behind name! he..he..you more clever than harry cause Harry doesn’t have column heading, and you work at legal firm, that’s good!! your carrier more than great than Catherine Middleton, my lady
December 9th, 2008 09:32
A new updated version with a horrible pic of Chelsy, IMO.
http://tinyurl.com/5j4469
December 9th, 2008 09:39
My goodness — Chelsy is a beautiful girl but surely the editors could have picked a few more flattering photos than those.
Editorial bias is no small matter — did anyone notice how the Daily Telegraph picked the picture of Carole and Kate in the “Carole Speaks Out” article that made them look totally coy and self-satisfied? Whereas there are several of them together walking down the street where they look — normal.
Totally rude and unecessary IMO.
December 9th, 2008 09:44
mariskaagusta, Chelsy isn’t finished yet. She will only help out at the law firm for the next 2 weeks – and then go home for christmas.
December 9th, 2008 09:45
I wonder who called and gave all the info and preparing the paps for the PR picture.
December 9th, 2008 09:52
I agree alsgal, they make a good story look bad by adding a horrible picture.
Me, good question. One wonders indeed…
December 9th, 2008 09:53
Well, that should be obvious — it was Pippa Middleton!
December 9th, 2008 09:54
December 9th, 2008 09:58
Who knows, there is some PR that’s going on for these girls. I’m glad to see Chelsy doing so well. Both girls are getting down to business.
December 9th, 2008 10:06
More pictures of Chelsy. I like the first one she has a pretty smile in it. Why did the DM not chose that picture to go along with their story?
http://tinyurl.com/6d4nzf
December 9th, 2008 10:12
Sorry wrong link, here’s more
http://tinyurl.com/5obw43
December 9th, 2008 10:15
Thank you for the pics Trixie — clearly there were so many other attractive photos from which to choose.
December 9th, 2008 10:31
Yeah but don’t forget you dealing with The DM. She really look good in these pictures and she did give that paps a few smiles. Now if we could only see the other girlfriend, it would make our day.
December 9th, 2008 10:36
It sure would Rman.
December 9th, 2008 10:37
The Sun’s version. Same story, same pic.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2020080.ece
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December 9th, 2008 11:20
Guys
Am I crazy to worry even more for Kate given this “PR” stunt for Chelsy. I’m very pleased that she got her work experience placement but I’m also very worried about Kate. This shows that really this is all that’s needed to turn Kate’s image around. A few well placed photographers in the right spot taking pictures of her doing some sort of anything and the papers will spin it all the way up the Abbey Aisle. Chelsy’s image has totally been turned around from the fag smoking South African to the real “hard working” girl.
I don’t like to be negative all the time but I sincerly hope that there are some picture of Kate soon doing some sort of work otherwise I am going to worry that all is lost. Chelsy seems to be being taken in by the firm where as Kate seems to have been hung out to dry?????
December 9th, 2008 11:24
About the work thing, Kate hung herself out to dry. I’m sure she had her chance at a job offer at an art gallery or Sotheby’s 3 years ago. Maybe she was too proud to accept and didn’t make it on her own. The royals may give a a leg up but you still have to ride the horse yourself.
December 9th, 2008 11:40
Perhaps Trixie, perhaps.
BTW: This is not a PR stunt the article states that the work experience is for her course, it sounds like that work experience is required. She is just doing hers now.
jj: I disagree I do not see Chelsy being taken into the firm at all (from this alone). As I said above this is part of her law degree at Leeds. It has nothing to do with the RF at all (they may have helped her get a good placement but then when I was at school we were all told to use contacts to help secure a placement. Why shouldn’t she be able to? It is just work experience not full time employment).
Chelsy is just doing what she has done for the past 15 (ish) months; working towards her degree. It’s nothing more and nothing less, she has bene working hard the entire time this is not a sudden spurt of hard work. She would never have got this far if she was not working hard.
December 9th, 2008 11:56
We don’t need photos of Kate working. It’s already been said that Kate works for Party Pieces. That’s enough at this point.
Kate has been out of the public eye for months, and she needs to keep it that way. This past summer we saw photos of Kate at Party Pieces, a few photos even showed her leaving the building in the evening time and getting into her car.
Remember the photos either in June or early July that showed Kate leaving the PP warehouse building and getting into her car in the evening time? That was pictorial proof THEN that Kate was working at Party Pieces.
Then with the website acknowledgment, we know she’s still there. So Kate has a job working for her parents. That’s good enough. She doesn’t need to do anything else. We haven’t seen her in months, so what’s to complain about?
Can anyone say Kate is slacking off? Can anyone say Kate isn’t working? Can anyone say Kate is out clubbing and appearing in public laughing and falling out of clubs or pubs?
Can anyone say Kate is out and about shopping at all? Can anyone say Kate has been seen in public looking ‘at her leisure’?
Absolutely not! We haven’t seen any photos of Kate lying around a pool, falling out of a club, dining out at a fancy restaurant, or hanging out somewhere at her leisure. Kate has managed to maintain a completely quiet and low profile.
She has done no new thing that could be considered wrong. The roller disco was 3 months ago. She’s been as quiet as a mouse, and the Starlight foundation project for the Christmas parties has been completed with no fanfare.
Kate is doing all the right things to properly repair her image. The general public can’t find fault with Kate for anything,
they can’t even FIND her, let alone find fault with her! 
Kate doesn’t need to do what Chelsy does. Chelsy is doing her thing, Kate is doing hers. They’re in different positions right now, and Kate is the one with the current bad rep that needs repair, not Chelsy.
Whether it’s Kate’s fault or the fault of the bogeyman, the fact remains that an image repair is necessary, and Kate’s taking care of that by remaining out of sight and quiet.
It’s the smartest thing for her to do, and it’s probably something Wills wanted her to do anway. Hasn’t anyone noticed that William HIMSELF has been out of sight for a month now?!
I doubt if he liked the way the media was going after Kate; William seems to relish and enjoy quiet and privacy in his personal life. By Kate remaining out of sight, she’s doing exactly what she needs to do to please her man, and repair her image with the minimum of fuss.
December 9th, 2008 12:03
Indeed B you are correct she should use her contacts and like I said in my post I’m really happy that she got a fantastic one. The PR bit comes with the photographers being in the right place at the right time (although I am aware they follow the girls all the time as well) at the same company as the solicitors of the Queen that’s pretty significant but that’s just my opinion.
I agree that she is hard working I have a friend who is currently studying to be a lawyer out here and it is very very difficult. I still do feel as if that silent help is coming from behind the scenes for Chelsy.
Trixie you also make a good point. I wonder why she left the Jigsaw job and didn’t tough it out??
December 9th, 2008 12:07
Very true mapleleaf.
IMO Kate is working in Berkshire however to what extent I do not know and neither could not nor would not want to say.
Now to play the devils advocate:
“Can anyone say Kate is slacking off? Can anyone say Kate isn’t working?”…Absolutely not!”
Can you prove that statement? Can you prove that she is working and is not just doing nothing?
“Remember the photos either in June or early July that showed Kate leaving the PP warehouse building and getting into her car in the evening time? That was pictorial proof THEN that Kate was working at Party Pieces.”
Actually that was proof that she had visited the warehouse, not that she had worked there. She may have been visiting someone, dropping off papers or collecting something generally just doing a favour but not necessarily working.
“Then with the website acknowledgment, we know she’s still there.”
That was a reaction from a mother to negative press. Again there is no real evidence that that is true. For all we know she could have just proof read the website and said that she liked the design of a clock but it does allow her mother to say she was working there.
I know that you are about to get annoyed (don’t worry I do believe she is working there as well), but there is actually no real evidence to say for certain that she is working there. She has been seen leaving the warehouse and taking out some boxes; she might have just been doing some favours for her parents who’s to say it is proper work? Just because her mother put her name on a website who is to say that she has actually done the work? As I said above she could have just given her opinion on something (what the family members of entrepreneurs tend to do anyway).
My overall point is that we do not have any proof which says “Yes she is working and here is the evidence of her doing so”. It is just our belief that she is working, it’s not a fact.
December 9th, 2008 12:07
I have to agree with that Mapleleaf. I forgot that there were also pictuers of Kate carrying boxes out of the PP Offices and driving her car or riding her bike to work. You are right we can’t find fault with now because we can’t even find her and hopefully this is all going down a positive route. I’m just so nervous with the Carole article.
I know in Carole’s article she mentioned that it had negatively affected her business?? I don’t understand how that could be so? I would have thought that business would have been booming with everyone desperately trying to be the Middletons favortie customer? Maybe I’m missing something??
December 9th, 2008 12:08
The only explanation I can think of for why she did not get another job, is that she just did not want to.
December 9th, 2008 12:13
Well but that’s half of the game at the moment B “perception” whether she is “working” or not (I choose to believe she is) she needs to be seen to be doing so even if she has her feet up at her parents offices and reads the paper & gets manicures.
That’s what the public needs to believe.
December 9th, 2008 12:33
Actually the photo legend said she was working 9-5. Entering then departing, the photog stayed and waited it out.
December 9th, 2008 13:01
That’s exactly correct Me.
The photo caption on the Belga photos taken of Kate in June (the ones where she was getting into the car and driving away in the evening time) said that Kate arrived that day at 9am and was photographed leaving at 7pm.
It wasn’t a newspaper article that said that, it was the caption on the paparrazzi photos. So for that particular day, the paparrazzo on the scene chronicled what Kate was doing.
B you brought up some good points, but when you ask (as devil’s advocate) how do we know that it’s true, my answer (as the devil’s advocate also) is “why wouldn’t it be”?
The first time the Party Pieces put up their ‘Newsletter’, that first draft contained wording that was later removed.
The wording in the first draft said that Kate helped to develop the Cherrytree and First Birthdays projects, and that she started on those projects in January. It also said that Kate was behind the Starlight charity project.
The newsletter wording was later amended to be less verbose and include less information. But initially, that’s what it said. What I’m saying by mentioning all that is very simple:
What reason do any of us have to call Party Pieces liars or call Mrs. Middleton a liar? When has Mrs. Carole Middleton even shown herself to be a liar?
For what reason should we assume that Mrs. Middleton or her staff were lying about Kate’s involvement? Has the woman or the business shown itself to be untrue or untrustworthy of telling the truth?
Why should we automatically assume they are telling lies about Kate’s involvement with the business?
What has Mrs. Middleton or the Party Pieces business EVER done to indicate that they don’t tell the truth?
If the answer is nothing, then WHY make the assumption that Mrs. Middleton or her business staff are liars?
If THEY said Kate has been working there since January, why can’t they be telling the truth?
For what reason should I, or anyone else, assume they told a lie about that? Mrs. Middleton isn’t some journalist with a column in a newspaper who spits out made-up gossip stories every week; she’s the owner of a business that sells children’s party favours.
What’s the reason why anyone should assume this woman isn’t telling the truth, that what was written on the business website was a lie?
For what reason does she or her business deserve to be branded as liars?
December 9th, 2008 13:20
The person who took those photo knew (for sure) that she had been there since 9 yet somehow was only able to take pictures of her leaving? If they knew that why were there no pictures of her arriving???
Nobody is branding her as a liar. In fact as I said above she could say that Kate was working and still be technically telling the truth even if Kate had been doing very little.
It’s just stretching the truth,not lying. Most mothers would be willing to do that to protect their daughters reputation.
“B you brought up some good points, but when you ask (as devil’s advocate) how do we know that it’s true, my answer (as the devil’s advocate also) is “why wouldn’t it be”?”
That’s my point, we don’t know that it is or isn’t true. As jj said it is all about perception and beliefs. So we (as people who like or aren’t bothered by Kate) might believe that Kate is working because of the what we have seen, somebody else (who might not like Kate) could not believe it and still be justified in their opinion.
I was just highlighting how open minded we really have to be when discussing this, we see the good and the bad and should be ready to comment upon both aspects.
December 9th, 2008 13:20
You guys Mapleleaf is absolutely right, both girls are doing great and they are getting down to business. What they may have not done in the past is in the past. Now things are different. I told you all that this year was going to be different and bigger than ever and it was. Things has gotten more serious now and Kate & Chelsy is getting on with their careers. William & Harry seem to be doing the same. If Kate is seen it will probably be at some event. Everybody was so worried about Kate and her work experience, now she’s away working and people are still complaining. But Kate silenced all her negitive press and putting things in place. Chelsy is doing great also.
December 9th, 2008 13:25
You make a good point Mapleleaf. There is no reason to believe that the Middleton’s would lie about what Kate is doing. I wonder if there will be any pictures at all at Sandringham. I wonder if William will even be home for xmas. I think Harry is going off to South Africa for New years?
December 9th, 2008 13:27
But it was the photogs legend, the reporter.
I can’t do anything to change the photogs fact ! I may do guessing work tho.
December 9th, 2008 13:35
Why is is anyone’s business whether KM works or not, where she works or not, when she works or not, what she does or not, what she gets paid or not? Seems to me if you were working, you wouldn’t have so much time to post on these forums.
December 9th, 2008 13:44
JJ, I too want to see her pictures. These people maybe already at Sandringham or at a cottage.
December 9th, 2008 14:09
Same goes to you Phoebe. What we do with our time is none of anybody’s business
December 9th, 2008 14:09
Hi Everyone,
Haven’t seen this link already posted to BRW, and thought some might enjoy it:
http://tinyurl.com/6xgavo
With luck, we will also have a PW and KM sighting….
December 9th, 2008 14:18
That’s a very nice article
Thanks Stephanie!
December 9th, 2008 14:26
jj, I appreciate your kind words . . . and, never knew that so many Royals came together at Sandringham! I had thought that only the immediate family of Queen Elizabeth was in attendance.
Does anyone know roughly how many Royal family members attend the festivities each year?
December 9th, 2008 14:47
Stephanie,
Thanks for posting the link. Sweet article.
December 9th, 2008 16:58
Well it’s usually all the members of the royal family and their children. Some of them don’t arrive until the 20th or on Christmas Eve. Right now it seems like Charles & Camilla are having their annual house party, which they have every year for friends and family. Sandringham was Diana’s favorite estate and she always look forward to this time of the year. She didn’t enjoy the shooting parties but everything else she just adored. Of course she was born on the estate. I think this funny but at Christmas Lunch, the family wear paper crowns and so does the Queen.
December 9th, 2008 17:24
Thanks, Rman.
December 9th, 2008 17:25
It’s interesting to note when reading the below article about Prince Carl Philip (Sweden)and his girlfriend Emma Pernald (of 9 YEARS) that our British Royal couple aren’t the only ones who go through media problems.
Who knows if this royal couple is still on but they definitely seem to mirror PW & KM in terms of lenght of relationship ON/OFF status and media drama. Can you imagine if KM & PW are still at this in another three years??? Ugh the horror. Alsgal will have burnt her lawn chair by then!
http://royalandco.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/prince-carl-philip-in-the-twilight-of-probability/
December 9th, 2008 17:56
Dearest JJ, my lawnchair is on fire in the driveway as I post
There are many reasonable points that have been made regarding Kate’s employment status but at the end of the day it’s hard to know who is doing what without impartial, objective proof.
We have no reason to believe that Kate is not working hard, on the other hand, we also know her mother is an admirably protective woman so we could also theorise she could be stretching the truth to make her daughter look more hardworking, and thus more eligible.
That’s not calling anyone a liar, it’s calling them human. Besides, as Carole hasn’t stated anywhere on the record that Kate is working a 40 hour week, why would we assume anything one way or another?
KM works at Party Pieces and to what extent we do not know for sure but we can all assume anything we want.
A Matter of Logic: If we say Kate was seen unloading a box back in July and that constitutes proof of Kate’s employment, why can’t we say the picture of Kate leaving PP in 2005 also implies she was working there?
Also, if Jigsaw owner Belle Robinson stated on the record that in 2006/2007 Kate could only work 3 days a week because she was dating a high profile man and needed to be on call for him (presumably she was referring to PW) what has changed that Kate is now able to work a 5 day regular work week?
She is still dating PW, correct? So why does she now have the time for a 40 hour regular work week but she didn’t 2 years ago? Wasn’t William training then, too?
Logically, I can’t figure that one out.
December 9th, 2008 18:04
So, King Constantine and Queen Anne-Marie are at Sandringham with PC? Hmmmm.
December 9th, 2008 18:04
Kate has invaded another thread
December 9th, 2008 18:31
Alsgal you crack me up. You also raise some good points. Personally I couldn’t care less if Kate spends the rest of her life like Cammy i.e. not doing a damn thing. BUT apparently the public/media care. You are right she may only work a 24 hour week (and that is probably likely given the argument you have just raised although Willis isn’t in London as much and there haven’t been any winter breaks so anything is possible)
but what is important if she still is with Willis at this stage is that she is perceived to be working & hard. Hopfully this is all about her revamp and not a omen of bad things to come. I really do wonder if in 10 years time when my grey hairs have started to set in if the lid will come off of this relationship much like it has done for Cammy and Charles & all of the details about their relationship? I for one would love to know what all was goig on…
Britt & Phoebe I’m getting a little tired of people coming on to this website and complaining about the content or suggesting that we do other things. If you don’t like it no one is forcing you to read it….
December 9th, 2008 18:58
Well, this is an open forum, and if you choose to post comments on it, you should be prepared to accept criticism of what you say, and why you say it.
December 9th, 2008 19:02
Phoebe
I’m happy for people to post comments on what I say positive or negative. What I take offense to is people telling me I should be working or doing something else. That has nothing to do with you at all. You and people like you bore me as you complain about something you are doing yourself…
December 9th, 2008 19:22
Actually, I didn’t say you should be working or doing something else. I simply tried to point out, not very successfully obviously, that those who were criticizing KM for allegedly being workshy seem to have a lot of time themselves to engage in discussions about a subject that they know absolutely nothing about, i.e., KM’s work habits. Personally, if KM invaded every thread it would be fine by me.
December 9th, 2008 19:35
I don’t understand why, if you think it’s none of my business whether you work or not, you think it’s any of your business whether KM works or not?
December 9th, 2008 19:39
I hope my response doesn’t seem argumentative in any way, but I do want to respond to the very reasonable comments made by Alsgal and B.
Alsgal, I totally agree that we have no way of knowing what hours Kate works.
b, when I cited the photo taken in June, I repeated what the pap who took the photos wrote as his/her caption blurb. The pap snapping the shot is the person who chose the time frame. Since paps sell to the highest bidder, there is no logical reason for the pap to lie about the time frame. It wouldn’t have earned them any more or any less money.
Alsgal, we definitely could theorise that Mrs. Middleton might ’stretch the truth’ to make her daughter more hardworking, but why?
Stretching the truth is still lying, it’s just a nicer phrase than saying ‘her mother is lying’. My question is, why the heck should we assume this woman is a liar?
I agree that lying is human, but it’s still lying. I try not to automatically assume people are liars, unless they are journalists.
It’s also true that Carole Middleton hasn’t stated anywhere that Kate is working a 40 hour week, but I didn’t state that either. What I said was that Kate was photographed leaving PP in June, and that was proof that she worked that particular day.
To add to the photos taken in June and July, there’s the fact that the first PP website newsletter said Kate had been working there since January.
I see no reason to assume Party Pieces would place lies or stretched truth in their newsletter.
My last statement is this:
I don’t see what Kate’s schedule at Jigsaw has to do with Party Pieces? The schedule Kate worked at Jigsaw was the one that Jigsaw approved. Kate now works for Party Pieces, which is owned by her own family.
It’s very possible that Kate has a totally different type of schedule arrangement setup with PP.
It could be that she is able to get time off whenever she needs to do so, and then when she doesn’t need to do so, she works daily.
Working for her family might’ve placed Kate in a position where she is able to keep a flexible schedule and work as many hours a week as needed, whether it’s 20, 40, or 80, and then be able to take time off whenever needed.
It’s certainly a logical idea. I can’t see her parents raising an objection if she completes whatever task she’s working on for the day/week/whatever, and then takes time off to spend with Wills.
It’s certainly a logical possibility, and a very workable one.
But I just want to say that I respect your opinions B and Alsgal, and Alsgal you always make me smile.
December 9th, 2008 19:53
Phoebe
The difference is I’m not telling Kate what to do or complaining about other people having a discussion about it. I’m not engaging in any more of this nonsense with you. I’ll just ignore you in future.
December 9th, 2008 20:06
yeah, I agree. If your going to critize Kate, then maybe you should get off your butt and get a job because 85% of the people I see on here are the same. And they post like, 2 seconds after you put your post up.
December 9th, 2008 20:07
How original
December 9th, 2008 20:10
hello Me, are you enjoying your day?
December 9th, 2008 20:26
Well, the girl works at PP and that’s all we need to know. Not how many hours because the conversation gets silly after that. Also if W&K take that big step, royal biographers will do some research, write books and reveal some things on how this relationship came about and how they carried it out. Also they will interview some of their family and friends. It always go like that. JJ, something tells me that they won’t continue to drag this out. You can tell that they have a trusting relationship. But I notice that people don’t realize that. William was seen sitting next to Christina Aguilera and Paris Hilton and everybody nearly lost their minds on thinking that must mean that his relationship is on the rocks. These couples have trust involved, it’s one of the things that has carried them this far.
December 9th, 2008 20:52
JJ
Suits me. Why didn’t you just ignore me from the outset? Then there wouldn’t have been any nonsense on this forum.
December 9th, 2008 23:12
Rman
Yes I don’t think it would have been this bad if the SARF thing hadn’t been announced, that kind of threw most people off I think. Everyone was expecting him to start ribbon cutting in January and as we have discussed many times before the 7 year sign up was seen as an out for William. But the RF have started arriving at Sandringham so lets hope we see some nice pictures very soon!!! I really liked the article which Stephanie posted!!
December 10th, 2008 03:06
Chelsy getting a paid internship at a law firm from the royal family may mean that her relationship with Harry is more serious than what we thought. Since we havent seen KM doing the same thing as Chelsy (going to school and working)even though there are claims that she does work(but there are not proves because we havent seen her working as we have seen Chelsy), Chelsy may become more favored than KM for the British people and for the royal family. Chelsy David contrary to KM seems to work harder(even though she is a little bit crazier). KM may now have a job, but she waited a long time to have a stable one. It seems to me that she started working hard when her reputation was being damaged because of the lack of her work commitment.
Not trying to criticize KM but Chelsy David seems to be a harder working person to me.
KM should probably follow her example if she wants to become a favored future queen of england.
December 10th, 2008 03:48
sonia, Chelsy isn’t working hard at all. She studies law which is taxing but not hard work. She gets 5 months off per year for holidays plus the weekends and currently doesn’t even seem to have classes half of the week since she was repeatedly seen out and about in London on Thursdays. The internship at the law firm is a necessary step for a future career but hardly “hard work” even less so since it only lasts 2 weeks. The amount of work Chelsy does right now equals that of parttime employment which Kate was widely criticised for.
December 10th, 2008 07:42
chelsy is a very lucky girl, chelsy may experience like kate was.
December 10th, 2008 08:34
CD has to be fairly intelligent to pursue a law career. There are other majors she could have chosen if she simply wanted a piece of paper. I don’t think that we should judge her intelligence based on facebook postings as that is not accurate. This is only a internship for her required course work, but she landed the Queens legal firm. I would think that this law firm could have turned down her request if she was not qualified to do the training and it was not soley based on being PH girlfriend. Having her RF connections might have gotten her application moved to the top of the pile, but it did not get her through the door. I am sure that pile might be filled w/other aristo applicants wanting to do the same thing. Atleast she is not using her connections to buy a purse.
December 10th, 2008 09:48
I don’t know Gracie I beg to differ on that one. I think Chelsy is intelligent but I don’t think the firm would have turned her down whether she was qualified or not. I think it would be far more advantageous for them both publicity wise (they had to know they would get some publicity out of it) and opportunity wise (as in keeping the royal family happy and getting referrals from more of their friends etc etc) to take Chelsy on regardless. It would be a very stupid move to turn Chelsy down regardless of her abilities. But let me make it clear that I am not putting Chelsy down just pointing out that it would be stupid for them to turn her down after getting a request from I am assuming the Queen or CH.
December 10th, 2008 10:18
Guys lets face it, these girls are special and everybody who works with them know their connections with the royal family, and they often get treated special too. I think everybody is focusing too much on their jobs and summing them up by their work experience. Chelsy is just getting a little experience for her law exams and degree. Both girls are very intelligent and people who have met them, speak highly of them.
December 10th, 2008 11:35
trixie
it may be true that chelsy gets lots of holidays and weekends and is seen a lot having fun, but at least she is working on something (going to school) and now doing a short intership. A person can go to school or work and still have fun, nothing wrong with that. KM in the past(not talking about now) was seen only shopping, going to holidays, clubbing, etc…but never working on something. So to me, there is a big difference on KM and chelsy david.
December 10th, 2008 12:02
Rman I think you are right but Cloud Kate Middleton has a degree lets not forget. Not everyone wants to rule the world or be a high powered executive I certainly don’t, and in my opinion people shouldn’t thought of as less worthy because they don’t want to do that.
Kate just made different choices. Whether they were good or bad choices are debatable but the girl got a 2:1 that’s no walk in the park it takes hard work which ever subject you are working on.
Trixie makes some very good points. Ugh I wish there was more royal news cabin fever again is setting in!
December 10th, 2008 13:08
Trixie, it’s offensive of you to even postulate that studying law isn’t hard work- clearly you haven’t gone to University.
Having done paid banking internships during my summer months, and studying premed the rest of the year, I can say with great experience that school is MUCH harder than working. It doesn’t take a lot of all night studying sessions, labs, essays, exams, to be able to sit in an office 9 through 5, and hit a few buttons on a computer, and collate a couple of photocopies.
And the average university student DOES party at least once a week- study and work really hard, party hard. So Chelsy Davy is clearly not an isolated case of a rich, spoiled party girl.
December 10th, 2008 13:18
JJ, you’re right this cabin fever is just too darn much — am piling on the Tim Horton’s poundage as we speak and I haven’t even started on the Twelve Days o’ Christmas Snack Pack Series we ordered from the Home Shopping Network. Something tells me I’ll be finding a Bally’s Gym gift membership in my stocking this year — either that or I’ll end up wearing more spandex than they do at the Las Vegas Hookers Convention.
I’ll have to admit Chelsy is off to a mighty fine start career-wise but that should in no way detract from Kate’s efforts to make childhood a happier, more festive occasion. There’s no shame in working in the family business and I’ll bet she is full of fun, creative ideas since she seems to be an artistic sort of person.
I still suspect they are still together, just enjoying the snuggly buggly time and whatnot before PW has to start his training. All I can say is, don’t worry kids, just when we have all but given up hope Kate and PW are still together, they pull us through and treat us all to a Bouji sighting of the two of them looking very much in love — and sometimes just a wee bit sleepy.
We just have to stay patient, and keep that faith.
December 10th, 2008 13:30
Yeah for Alsgal!!!!!!
Rina I have friends who are law students yes it is hard but what Trixie was trying to point out is that Chelsy isn’t the only one completing a law degree out there many people go to school to study something or another everyone puts work in so lets not make one girl the messiah just because she has chosen a different path.
You should see the RA website. He pretty much is hailing Chelsy as the messiah to save the royal family. Does he remember that Chelsy may not be able to continue if she marries harry??? Not sure but that may get nixed?
December 10th, 2008 13:44
That’s right Alsgal.
December 10th, 2008 13:48
JJ, that RA artical do not surprise me.
December 10th, 2008 14:24
I agree that Chelsy is definitely not a messiah, as marriage would mean a career of … well, of ribbon cutting! And she definitely hasn’t taken a ‘different’ path- most young people her age pursue studies, and law is one of the most studied graduate programs out there. But it’s a hard and tough path nonetheless!
Gracie had a good point- at least Chelsy is using her contacts for meaningful gains (as most of would do, and probably do in our own lives ie. internships), and not to get purses!
I grew up on Cinderella and the whole average girls becoming fairy tale princesses thing, but seriously is it worth leaving behind everything you’ve worked for (ie. school, career, freedom) to marry and become a professional ribbon cutter?
The Daily Mail did an interesting piece of Amanda Stavely a while back- great insight on the pros and cons of marrying into the BRF.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1084049/Marry-Randy-Andy-Id-make-50m-says-model-turned-Prince-Andrew-earns-fortune-credit-crunch.html
December 10th, 2008 14:50
Rina, as much as I adore fairytales I can see that life in a royal family is no bed of roses.
So many of these modern and accomplished young gals have been rolling along happily through life, marry a Prince and then bam! it’s time for a visit to the nut farm to cope with the ensuing depression. I’m sure that it must be daunting to realise, once the red carpet fever wears off, that all that lies ahead are days of visiting Jello eaters in diapers at dreary senior centers, never knowing whose one’s true friends really are, and knowing that every move will be scrutinsed and probably criticised.
I’d advise all would-be Princesses that it’s probably better to remain anonymous and grow chia pets in your spare time if there’s a yearning for that elusive “wow!” factor in life — jmo, though.
December 10th, 2008 15:26
Alsgal, lovely image! Kate Middleton in her sweats, growing her little army of chia pets!
December 10th, 2008 15:26
Rina it will dissapoint you to hear that I HAVE gone to law school myself and am currently a working lawyer. Knowing both student life and work life I can tell you studying law is NOT hard work at all compared to a fulltime job. Chelsy may have 2-3 days with classes per week plus a couple of hours reading time per day and at the end of term some stressful exams. It may SEEM hard while you’re doing it but once you enter the real world and do your 50-60 hour/week at a law firm you realise that it was just a walk in the park. She doesn’t even have to work on weekends or during her summer break to make a living. She has it EASY!
Of course Chelsy is to be commended for the fact that she went for higher education and noone was suggesting that’s not true but she’s not doing anything out of the ordinary.
December 10th, 2008 15:53
wow that RA piece is his stupidest ever. I totally think Katey Nicholls is writing for RA now. John never wrote such dribble before. What a pity. Looks like the press is going to go after Chelsy like they did with Kate. Hopefully someone has learned from what Kate has gone through and things will be different for Chelsy but I doubt it.
December 10th, 2008 16:10
Just read the RA “article” and already ask myself why… curiosity killed the cat
So Kate’s job for her family business is “insignificant” to Chelsy’s “career”? Which career? She’s on an internship and even if she once starts a big legal career; it’s Kate own fault that she doesn’t have one. She had the chance to go for higher education and didn’t – probably because she never aspired to be a career woman. But it shows the bias that working in a smaller capacity is easily dismissed. I don’t see why working for a family business should be less “praiseworthy” than working in a big law firm. At least Kate works for her own “pocket” and that of her parents and not for someone elses.
December 10th, 2008 16:36
Well Trixie we might as well face it, the media will always put these two in a competition. If they go on to marry the Prince’s, they will talk about who opened the center the best? Kate or Chelsy? Who made a clean cut on the ribbon? Kate or Chelsy? Who’s head looks the biggest in a tiara? Kate or Chelsy? It’s always going to be like that. Chelsy is doing her thing with law and Kate is doing her thing with the family business and that’s all there is to it. I think Kate & Chelsy is far from rivals like the media like to put them. And there are some sites that is running away with that.
December 10th, 2008 17:13
This is true Rman. I don’t think there is anything wrong with working for the family business. Carole and her husband made their fortunes with that business and made a better life for themselves and their children.
James only went to university for a year and then decided to make it on his own. There is nothing wrong with not wanting a high powered corporate career. Kate is also helping to give back by working for the family who have supported her though her relationship with PW.
I am happy Chelsy is completing her law degree but Trixie makes excellent points and has been through the process herself so…
John from RA he is something else but I should take my own advice and just not read what he writes since I don\’t agree with most of it…..
December 10th, 2008 17:19
“Knowing both student life and work life I can tell you studying law is NOT hard work at all compared to a fulltime job. Chelsy may have 2-3 days with classes per week plus a couple of hours reading time per day and at the end of term some stressful exams. It may SEEM hard while you’re doing it but once you enter the real world and do your 50-60 hour/week at a law firm you realise that it was just a walk in the park. She doesn’t even have to work on weekends or during her summer break to make a living. She has it EASY!”
I think that is a very unfair statement Trixie. I have had to drop out of university (where I was also studying law) due to my pregnancy as it got too much for me. However, even still I have made some friends there and I know that they fine it hard. Looking back you may see it as easy but then I look back at my SATS, GCSES and A levels thinking what was I worrying about? that was nothing to compared to what a degree is! BUT hard work is all relative to the person and age. At 16 GCSEs are incredibly stressful and are a lot of hard work. At 17-18, A levels are also a lot of hard work and cause a lot of stress, however I remember looking back and saying that my GCSEs were nothing compared to my A levels, but at the time they were equally stressful. That is what happened with my degree, it was even harder than my a levels as essays had to be handed in for the next week which was several thousand words long. (of course dropping out due to pregnancy is an exceptional circumstance so it did make it harder but I do know my friends are experiencing the same problems).
It depends on the degree and job as well, the work a person puts in at uni might be more if they are only working 9-5. A lawyer is a more stressful career but if a student is serious, they will want to spend a long time reviewing work, learning it again and again and again to ensure that they can do well on their exams. It is easier for some people than for others. It isn’t just attending classes anyway, there are essays to write or assignments to do. There are tutorials as well as classes (varies from uni to uni, but I know some which have classes and then meetings with the tutors and a few students)
I do think it is very unfair that you can turn around and say that Chelsy (or any other law student) has it easy. I am sure that at the time you did not find it easy (or if you did I would like to know what law school you went to). Hard work is relative and what a person can cope with and find hard at one stage in their life will be very different to the next stage.
“At least Kate works for her own “pocket” and that of her parents and not for someone elses.”
How is one better than the other?
December 10th, 2008 17:37
B
One isn’t better than the other. The point I think (and correct me if I am wrong Trixie) Trixie is trying to make is that Chelsy isn’t doing anything that millions of other students around the world are doing with med school dentistry law etc etc. Essays and assignments are standard with most degrees to my knowledge. It’s commendable but both not the be all and end all. It’s not the same for everyone. And I know this statement will be controversial, but the last time I checked in the states (not sure how it works in england) you have to once you have passed the bar go through a moral and ethical character review at the end of it. It will be interesting to see what they are going to do with Chelsy given her parents association with Robert Muagabe. Although I am completely go back on my statement about comparing the girls it is funny that Carole is sometimes known as pushy James has taken a few crazy pictures as well as Pippa but Chelsy parents are basically in bed with someone who commits genocide and not much has been made of that at all. Shaun Davy has been in much worse pictures than James and again it brushed under the carpet.
But we shouldn’t compare so I’ll shut up now
December 10th, 2008 18:35
A couple of thoughts about RF include: 1. I am happy for Chelsy. She has a similar personality to Harry.. If she is working for the law firm of the RF. it shows that they are pulling for them both. Could it be though that the blog about Chelsy is taking up some Pressure off William and Kate. 2. Whatever they are up to it seems that Kate went missing followed by William. Secondly everyone is dismissing the new idea article about a wedding. I tend to think that it could be true. Sometime last year, I think around Sept. Oct. the preview in the magazine told of a wedding proposal. However, the article and cover were taken off the next week. My interprutation is that someone got wind of an engagement. Since it never happened the magazine did not print either the cover or article. Since the article is still there, it could be that a wedding or proposal is taking place. There could be a kernal of truth in the printing of the article.
I do believe that they are still together. Maybe they went to that isolate reverve in Spain. The next couple of weeks will be interesting.
December 10th, 2008 19:21
I agree Kat.
December 11th, 2008 02:11
jj-
And you think that there are not many people who work for the family business?
Considering the number of applicatants there are to university to studying politics and then for her postgraduate to study law, I think that it is very impressive that she is doing so well. To have gone to Leeds (which is considered to be a very good university in the UK, according to the Times university guide is the 31st best), she must have something there, either good brains, a nice personality, a good work ethic, I don’t know what but law degrees are very popular and many are disappointed, the university wouldn’t have just taken her for her PH connection, she must have had something else to capture their attention.
If there is any review at the end, Chelsy will be fine. Her parents have worked with Mugabe but it seems that it has never been anything illegal and it wasn’t even Chelsy who had done anything wrong anyway. She has probably never even met him and if we prevent someone from furthering a career because of a skeleton in the family closet, nobody would have a job as there is always one secret. Anywa, I have never even heard of Chelsy having anything to do with Mugabe, it was just her father.
I do not wish to compare them at all, but I cannot see how one is better than the other at all.
I do not like how everyone is trying to put Chelsy down when she is working hard for her law degree. We have no reason at the moment so suspect that she is not serious about a career in law. If after next September, she does not have a job and still does not a year later, then it was clear she was not taking a career seriously, but let’s give her a chance.
Kat: I believe that Kate and Wiliam are together. I don’t know about an engagement but I still stick to what I said 11 months ago, which is that I do not believe that they should get married until 2010. William will be away a lot until then which will not be fair on Kate who will have to start royal duties without the help of her husband (because the public will not let her just sit around and do nothing unless she is pregnant). I actually think that William should do regular royal duties before marrying so he can help his new wife and give her more support and advice.
December 11th, 2008 04:14
JJ, thanks for explaining my point.
B, it’s just the statement that is repeated over and over again that Chelsy is “working hard” on her law degree that I cannot follow. How do you know that? Judging by the countless facebook party pics of her she has plenty of leasure time and doesn’t seem to do more than necessary. She attends an average UK law school – not even one in the top 20. Her vacations she spends by the pool or in the African wilderness. We haven’t heard anything about her participating in school activities (aside from the party scene) either – no sport club, sisterhood, student unions and all the countless other things universities usually offer for their students. She may or may not have tolearn a lot – we dn’t know since neither of us hs done the degree she did but up till now she hasn’t even done what most law student do, i.e. work at a law firm during vacations or even while studying. She has to only focus on her degree – which is great for her but nothing that I would call “hard work”. She’s an average law student and to call her “hard working” she would, IMO, have to have done more than what’s necessary to complete her degree. If you do what’s necessary you’re average – not brilliant, not “hard working” etc… just like neither William nor Kate were “hard working” students. They were all average … and I don’t mean that as an insult. 90% of all students are average. There’s no reason to put Chelsy on a pedestal and make her be out to be something she’s not namely exceptionally bright or “hard working”. I for one am not “putting Chelsy down”. I judge her by realistic standards and by those she’s a priviledged millionaire’s daughter with a good education but no exceptional traits at all. Some make it sound like she already had that huge career when she doesn’t even have her degree yet.
My comment about Kate working for her parents was meant tongue in cheek. I should probably have put a smilie behind it to make that clear. I am sure her parents DO see it as an advantage though that they are the ones profiting from their daughters work and not some other employer.
I do not know how the bar association judges it’s future members but I doubt some remote link her father MAY have to Mugabe would pose a threat to Chelsy’s career. There is no indication that she would fail a character test. However would she not have to be British to be allowed to join the UK bar association?
December 11th, 2008 05:06
kat,I definitely think the wedding was leaked and that may be one of the major reasons for this quiet spell. The new PR guy arrived and went to work and all has been quiet since. We should hear something very soon.
December 11th, 2008 09:05
Lisa, all signs would point to that other than two biggies IMO:
Poor Carole Middleton speaking out to defend her family for the first time in 5 years. Worrisome as she’s been smart enough to avoid Mandrake and the rest of the press for all this time, so I’d say this was a slightly more deliberate action. She also made it blatantly clear that they aren’t getting much, if any, PR help from CH, which I would think would have been provided if an engagement was eminent.
Also, Pippa being so public of late, which is good for Pippa’s business but bad for Kate if Kate is going into the BRF.
In addition, for Tatler (the well-connected society Bible) to print such a snarky mention about Pippa going to parties “as the caterer” plus their Jan. cover “Should Kate Wait: The Men Who Won’t Propose” does not indicate to me they and their brethren are treating the Middletons with the respect and dignity they deserve. It appears to me that people in high places have decided to make the Middletons into something of a laughingstock. Which I find rather sad, as aren’t close families and Mother Tigers usually admired, as are self-made people who don’t rely on anyone else?
December 11th, 2008 10:06
Trixie,
I seem to think that Chelsy already has her first degree, and I believe it was in law at Cape Town. Her studies at Leeds are. reportedly for a post grad either a M.A or a M.Law.
I’m not sure where you did law but I happen to know that an Oxford BCL which is also a post grad degree does need a fair amout of work, application and dedication.
alsgal,
The original headline was entitiled ” Why PW won’t propose to K.” but that was on internet somewher and for a half second I started to have the ‘eeby jeebys’ because of a story connected to the breakup in spring 2007 which was published as ‘ PW’s friends are telling him it would be a mistake to get married as he had a lot of living to do.”
Privately a lot more was made of that story than was ever published and when this latest Tatler story was headlined I just wondered what was going to be said.
As it happened it was just a lot of nothing but PW lack of commitment to KM , not just in a proposal, but in support , understanding and even his selfishness has puzzled many people who have struggled to understand how a Diana inspired young William has seemigly become so unpredicable.
Perhaps Charlie Spencer (quoting Diana) did have an understanding of the mentality of his relations ‘on the other side’ and it was pity he was unable to carry out his promise made at her service.
As it stands I just don’t know what to think but I am still of the opinion that there is a long , long wait for anything positive but the uncanny actual happenengs at present are so like what was predicted for the couple eighteen months or so ago that it seems that “Old Moore” himself may have predicted it.
The predicted lead up, the actual happenings and the anticipated ending is uncanny in its acurace to what we see happening now.
December 11th, 2008 10:09
sorry for” acurace read accuracy”
December 11th, 2008 10:33
When will KM come out of hiding? Maybe she has left the country as there is no sign of her. I think Chelsy and PH will make it down the aisle alot sooner than PW. Perhaps PW is off somewhere getting his flolicular challenged hair fixed! The RF have woken up to the fact that PH is much more a “people” person, much like Diana. I hope they use this to their advantage.
December 11th, 2008 10:49
TY Ked and who is Old Moore?
Gracie, I’ve searched high and low and if Kate is in hiding in a foreign country, I can state unequivocally for a fact that she is not working at any of the six Tim Horton’s I have visited recently as part of Alsgal’s undercover Quality Control Inspection Month.
Many have said that despite having Diana’s looks, PW actually takes more after his father in temperament. That’s good news professionallly speaking, although privately speaking it would be a bit disheartening.
Perhaps there is a sex-motherer with boobs at her knees in William’s future?
December 11th, 2008 11:32
The guy in the Bar at King’s road.
December 11th, 2008 11:44
alsgal,
Old Moore’s Almanack has been published in the Uk since Charles 2nds time and was started by an astrologer Frank Moore who was born around 1650 ish.
He fortold weather and ‘world’ (Great Britain in 17C) events from his observation of the stars and planets.
Over the years this publication has continued to publish predictions annually and is said to have had been very accurate in many World happenings such as wars , tragedies and certain happy events.
There was said to be a similar puplication based in Ireland and originating at or about the same time but it was not known if they had any connection. I think the Irish puplication was probably used to forecast horse racing results but I don’t know that for certain.
I remember the house keeper of my mother’s grandmother showing a copy from the 1900’s to me when I was about 6 or 7 which fortold the three (?) world wars.
It is still puplished today but I haven’t sen a copy for many years but the expression ‘Old Moore’s’ is often used when people talk about future happenings. Perhaps I should get next yeras and see if PW/KM are “foretold”.
Hope that answers you query.
By the way I always refere to you as ‘alsgal’ without your self named suffix hope your not offended?!
December 11th, 2008 11:48
gracie,
Well having spent 3+ days in Dublin I didn’t see her.
It’s funny that you should have mentioned PW’s hair because that was mentioned to me half joking and half seriously a week or so ago.
Strange?
Perhaps ‘old moore’s’ at it (see above posting)
December 11th, 2008 11:51
Hello,
Sorry forgot this one but gracie’s post and my response suddenly brought it back to me.
Similar occasion, it was mentioned that KM had cut her hair.
True or false I do not know and only mentioned it reference last post or so.
December 11th, 2008 11:55
me,
Your getting to know my habits too well and it was either there or at the rugby club which are amongst my favorite drinking holes.
December 11th, 2008 11:58
me,
Just noticed your reference was to my ‘predictions’ story.
No, I think I read it on here or RA long before I started posting .
December 11th, 2008 12:10
Ked, thank you for the explanation and no, I am not offended — you can call me Alsgal, you can call me Phyllis — just don’t call me late to dinner!
Interesting if KM did indeed cut her hair — to my mind, that would almost be a Joan of Arc declaration sort of independence. No more bothering to give the boy what he likes, etc.
Let’s hope not, though, for her glamourous mane is certainly her “crowning” glory, and even her detractors have expressed deep admiration for it.
Of course, it’s her hair and her life — but maybe that is what she would be telling us by cutting it?
December 11th, 2008 12:25
“It appears to me that people in high places have decided to make the Middletons into something of a laughingstock.”
Alsgal, I agree and I think that is happening because there as been so much speculation on an engagement over the years. And when the year is over and no engagement is announced, it make The Middletons look bad. Like they have a goal that they can’t accomplish or something. I think that is far from who the Middletons are. Now Carole may have said alittle something but in reality they can’t really address all the rumors like they may want to and they have obeyed that royal rule. I don’t think Pippa high profile appearence was bad for Kate at all. I think Kate wanted alittle piece for awhile and carry out her relationship in private. Pippa appearences seemed to have taken some pressure and attention off her for awhile. Now we may have not seen so much public support but I have a strong feeling that William is a big support to her in private. I think his support along with her family’s support has gotten her this far. Or else that girl would have gone insane long ago. So we just have to wait and see what these two will do. But to be honest, I don’t feel they will drag this for five or six more years. I do believe that they will make this relationship official.
December 11th, 2008 12:49
Strange coincidence: I was thinking myself the other night that one of the best ways for KM to pass relatively unnoticed would be to cut her hair. I think it would be very flattering too.
December 11th, 2008 13:03
Oh I think Kate would look very good with a short hair cut.
December 11th, 2008 13:12
Let’s face it, being a natural beauty Kate could put a plastic bag on her head and she’d still be drop dead gorgeous.
Rman, I hope William is supportive of Kate in private because it sure doesn’t appear she is getting much support from anyone but her family these days.
If Miguel Head (aka Dream Man, since there’s no longer a Dream Team) was there supporting the Middletons, or at least giving them lots of advice, I doubt Carole would have told Mandrake she feels “vulnerable” pr wise.
December 11th, 2008 13:24
PW will never propose to KM because it is obvious that he doesnt love her any more and he is tired of her. He has never shown any affection for her in public, hasnt proposed to her in 5 yrs, and the worse, he will leave her for 7-8 more yrs to join the military. Arent these clear signs that he doesnt love her? a boyfriend who joins the military to run away from her girlfriend. If he really loved her, he would’ve chosen her over the military and he would show more affection for her. But you guys are not being realistic.
PW probably already realized that KM and her family are social climbers. After graduation, KM didnt get a job for many years and all she did was just shop, go clubbing and on holidays. She was so sure PW was going to propose that she didnt bother herself on getting a job.
Lazy peole really make me feel irritated.
KM pronounced that she has a job when her reputation was declining and when she realized that she was already losing william. What a coincidence, she announced having a job when william chose the military over her. She thought that this could probably save her. But I am sure it wont because whatever william ever felt for her, he wont feel it again.
Now her social climber mommy is trying to play the victim role. How ridiculus. She is so happy that KM is dating (maybe not anymore)PW, and now she tries to be the victim.
Pippa middleton is no different at all. I can really tell that she just wants to get a wealthy aristocratic man and is taking advantages of her sister KM’s status to get her purpose. Do you think she would be so popular as she is now if KM wasnt dating PW. Most likely not.
Just by looking at these three social climbers I can really tell the type of people they are.
December 11th, 2008 13:36
Well that’s your opinion Cloud and I respect that but I have to just point out that you are wrong though.
December 11th, 2008 13:50
probably not Rman.
I am voicing my opinion based on the things I see, and there are clear signs of the relationship b/ KM and PW. When there is love b/ a couple, you can immediately tell.
Or do you have any insight info that we dont know?
December 11th, 2008 13:59
Cloud, we certainly respect all opinions here so I’ll just chime in with mine –
I, too, thought PW/KM were a bit of a cold fish no-PDA type of couple until I saw the pictures of them under that tent on PW’s birthday in June of this year. (Those were the pics where Kate was whispering something into PW’s ear and had on a baseball cap.) Now Alsgal, I said to myself, that is the look of love. They showed it when they thought no one was watching, and that’s why I trhink we can never know how deep things really are between them — they like to keep it on the down low as my grandson Mike says.
December 11th, 2008 14:36
I think PW detests the press so much, he does not like to show publicly his feelings for his girlfriend, thats okay and I can respect that. I do not think he treated her badly, ever.
As already stated before, you cannot say KM is so clever, smart, good hearted and whatever and then say he treated her badly for years. This would mean that she has no self respect and that would be a) a contradiction and b) mean she is only in the game for the tiara and c) not good if they were to marry, because a woman with not self respect would not make a good queen one day.
December 11th, 2008 14:47
However, I have to admit, I am too becoming pessimistic. If I do not see KM around Christmas holding a dead bird (shot by PW) in her hand, I will probably think it is over.
And no, I am not blaming any of them. Longterm relationships between people in their twenties do not lead necessarily to a marriage. Its a fact of life. I think their relationship was/is a normal and grounded as it could get, and “normal” does not include always a wedding.
December 11th, 2008 14:48
Chris234,
It’s no secret that even the smartest of individuals can be blinded by what they think is love, if that’s the case..
December 11th, 2008 14:52
That’s what I have been trying to point out Alsgal. There is some deep love there that has held them together all these years. When they went to the club on his birthday and was dancing close, they looked like they was in their own world. Here are those pictures that put all the love doubt in it’s place.
http://tinyurl.com/6zxdcu
December 11th, 2008 15:00
Rman, thank you for posting the link to those pics. I forgot all about the “Hey, buddy, get a room!” dancing photos — they are lovely indeed and I might need to have one of those blown up and put on my mantle to get me through the dark winter days that lie ahead.
Yes, that magical night they indeed showed all the doubters that these two were no longer these two, but had come together as one, if only to dance.
December 11th, 2008 15:03
And I do not consider them social climbers. The Middleton parents seem to be self made millionaires, hopefully always paid their taxes, and were therefore able to pay their kids a better education, expensive hobbies, etc. Fine by me.
Another question is, what the kids – the next generation – are making out of it, and I think it is way too early to say that. Ask me again in 5 years.
December 11th, 2008 15:05
But I get the feeling that if William is not away on a assignment then he may be with Kate somewhere relaxing. Don’t forget that he will be busy next year so of course they would want to spend some quality time together. They can’t really be seen on some expensive trip at this time so they may have snuck somewhere or probably on the Sandringham Estate. Remember they have dissappeared like this before and everytime that happens, some begin to think it’s over but they just layed low for awhile. But no I don’t think it’s over at all. Also the media is not speculating at all. They seem to know that all is well on that situation. All is well with Harry & Chelsy too. These people are busy now.
December 11th, 2008 15:14
Yes, Rina, but I doubt that you can get blinded for five or six years. Only last year, she moved into CH, got invited to prestigious events, beautiful holidays… I think KM is very much able to make her point.
And you cannot say that he is treating her badly because he has not proposed to her yet (even that we do not know for sure). Because he is 26 and … Jesus… he just may not feel ready for marriage. And that is okay. If he should feel the same in 10 years, then we have to get worried.
December 11th, 2008 15:16
No problem alsgal, I don’t let William & Kate fool me, I can tell that there’s more there. They are just a very private couple. They like to leave the lovey dovey stuff to when they are out of the media. That’s just how they are, not all couples are like Harry & Chelsy.
December 11th, 2008 15:19
Chris234, I thought the last part of your comment was funny, lol.
December 11th, 2008 15:25
Rman, you are the eternal optimistic and that is nice to see. I also consider myself an optimistic, but perhaps not eternal.
December 12th, 2008 03:04
Hello all,
all anyone can do is wait: if there’s no appearance over the holidays, then….
and, if KM did indeed cut hair, that seems pretty ominous.
Alsgal, many of your posts are so hilarious! The last time I saw a Tim Horton’s was in Michigan!
December 12th, 2008 07:49
What in the world would make William want to associate any further with the heirhead herself – Paris Hilton? Now there’s a girl who really contributes nothing to society! William – tell me that you’ve been hitting the bottle and that’s why you have this urge to go to Paris’ party in Australia. Tell me that everytime she texts you, you get sick to your stomach and ignore her messages. Tell me please that you haven’t started to lose your marbles. I will pray for you William to see the light!!
December 12th, 2008 08:14
Sorry I posted the below comment earlier under Prince Harry
Guess this may be the reason why Carol spoke out and why we have not seen Kate
http;//www.Johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1050
December 12th, 2008 09:29
Sonnet, the link is not working — please share the whos, the whats, the whens and the whys with us!
December 12th, 2008 09:41
Alsgal,
Sorry I cant get the link to work here also. Please see Internet Forum Prince William, under W&K Relationship – Page 6
December 12th, 2008 10:40
TY Sonnet — I will go over to the Dark Side and take a look see.
December 12th, 2008 10:53
Just read the article and I must say, this makes absolutely no sense IMO.
If Kate was being hounded daily where on Earth are all the pictures on the irreputable foreign photo websites? We’ve only seen a few since July, and when she was mobbed at the roller disco, well, it was a well-publicised event but there was also security there.
Even at the height of the pap coverage (around her 25th birthday) when she was in London, it was one huge day (her birthday) and then a few days later there was the odd photo and video footage of maybe three guys taking her pic from 50 feet away. She looked distressed enough to smile.
Which brings up my next question: logically why is a marriage to PW going to solve Kate’s “pap problem” — doesn’t anyone remember that despite the best efforts of the RPS, Diana was still harrassed by the paps as a Princess?
Which bodes my last and final question — if this is all too bothersome why stay in the kitchen if one cannot stand the heat?
The same question could be posed to William as well. Either put up or shut up, and realise in the overall scheme of things, you’ve got it pretty good, Big Willie.
December 12th, 2008 11:01
Its not a recent article.
December 12th, 2008 11:02
It’s an old article, from some time in 2007. The date is on the bottom.
(For future reference: you can cut and paste a web address into your browser if the link supplied does not work.)
December 12th, 2008 11:11
TY, well I guess the devil is in the details so that would have made sense back in 2007.
btw I see that Somebody got a heckuva good price on blue duchesse satin!
I wish Camilla would restrain herself a bit and save those wrinkly hooters for Charles’ benefit alone!
December 12th, 2008 11:27
A couple of reports that the Daily Express is reporting in its Day & Night column that KM was spotted at the ballet. Unable to find the reference.
December 12th, 2008 13:33
Thanks Phoebe, I hope we actually get a sighting from her soon.
December 12th, 2008 13:52
Well, Sleeping Beauty (which is oddly similar to the name of an adult film “Sleeping Booty” currently showing at a theatre in my neighborhood) is running from Dec. 3 -14th so at least we know that part is not made up.
Not a single pic, cell phone or otherwise. Amazing, but it does show she can get out and around and not get papped. If this is true.
No mention of PW going, although I can see that macho Princes watching leaping men with bulging packages in their tights would strike a few people as a bit odd. Don’t know of many straight men who like the ballet, that’s for sure.;)
December 12th, 2008 14:14
Well, I’m a straight guy and I do like the ballet, lol. I was kind of shocked to hear that Football Players often take Ballet lessons to sharpen their techniques. Yeah, it’s amazing that there is no picture but I’ll tell you the truth, I sure do miss seeing her.
December 12th, 2008 14:39
Well, you are far more cultured and refined then most men, dear Rman, but we here at BRW have long known that for a fact.
My Al loves all kind of Broadway musicals (“South Pacific” is his favorite) but I’ll be gosh darned if I can ever get him to go to the ballet with me. So, what I am saying is I can certainly undertand that just because it was reported that Kate went alone, we shouldn’t read anything into that.
I just hope that PW takes her to a game at Twinkenham and later on out for a hole-burning curry soon, so this Alsgal can be a happy camper once again.
December 12th, 2008 15:03
Alsgal is going to be needing to hit the gin big time tonight — sadly, the associated Press is reporting Van Johnson, my generation’s Brad Pitt, has passed away unexpectedly at 92.
“Unexpectedly?” By God, what else does someone expect at 92!
December 12th, 2008 15:19
Yes, I’m sorry to hear that. I remember that episode of I love lucy, and Lucy begged to dance with him. Now he’s reunited with her once again.
December 12th, 2008 16:53
Ugh
Just had a look at the pictures of Camilla and that dress is HIDEOUS. Seriously I think some people said that Vivienne Westwood was the designer… Mess…
Very wishful thinking on my part but wouldn’t it be nice if KM first foray back into the spotlight was a picture on Boxing day or Christmas day (can’t remember how it works) with the RF or walking with them or something.
December 12th, 2008 17:21
Well JJ, I looked at the photos and I have to say Camilla looks beautiful in her own way but I didn’t like the dress. I thought her boobs was going to pop out. But that’s one thing I like about Charles, he make sure that his wives are well dressed. We will probably see Kate after Christmas or next month for her birthday although I hope to see her sooner. But yes it would be nice to see her walking with the royals to church. I’m sure she knows that we miss seeing her and William.
December 12th, 2008 17:25
Hello,
Yes jj it would be a lovely but completely unexpected sight. If PW and KM are still a couple then it would really be counter productive for them to be seen together especially just before PW rejoins the RAF for his S and R training.
It really must be obvious to all that the dual vanishing trick has been done for one thing and that was to take the heat out of the engagement/marriage situation and to take the pressure off PW before he really leaves home for what is his career move.
He is going to be isolated for many months initially during his training and after 18 long , tedious months he should join a S and R Squadron and be on seriously restricted movement as many of the S and R installations are fairly isolated .
His movement off base will also be scrutinised to ensure he doesn’t use RAF equipment to reach any private engagements. He certainly made a rod for his back by his many nefarious excursions during his first spell with helicopters.
If he and KM have called it a day it will be interesting to see in which direction his eyes stray next time.
In mant respects his life over the next few years both during training and whilst on duty afterwards will be in some way like his University days when he finished with his old girl friend before taking up with KM.
These days there are many very attractive female RAF pilots both serving and in training and with his new found interest in flying perhaps he may feel that his next could or should be someone who had similar interests in flying and to him it would probably be more enjoyable than one of the ‘aristos’.
At first anyway, that liaison could be kept very much under wraps as any sightings with a fellow officer would not be an excuse for the paps to get into overdrive and any time spent away on leave, probably ‘en masse’ with new RAF friends ,would not be seen as being anything other than ‘work mates’ on leave together.
Interesting times but going back to anticipated sightings of the PW and KM over the next year or so may well be similar to the sightings of a yeti near Llyn Llywenan on Anglesey.
Rare and almost impossible.
December 12th, 2008 17:51
Well that is definitely a possibility that even if they stay together he could meet an airforce pilot who could end up being his wife. Whether an airforce pilot would want to give it all up to be his wife after many many years training to enter the circus that is the royal family is another matter. But the same goes for Prince Harry he could also meet someone on his two year training course who could end up being his wife you never know.
At this point I do think the vanishing act did happen to take the heat off. I’m hoping all is well & that she has found a place close to his base to remotely work for PP. Because the fact that there hasn’t been one picture of her going to get a newspaper shopping in Waitrose is very odd.
Even when they split up last time there were pictures of her leaving her house to go get the newspapers. I also wonder where William is? No a dickie bird has been said about him since he supposedly went back to Barbados…
December 12th, 2008 17:59
Ked somehow I think we will see them in some way before he goes off to training. I don’t think William will let go of Kate. You read all the time that she is the main one who is hanging on to him but I get the feeling that they are both hanging on to each other. William really let it be known this year that like it or not, this is the girl for me. Even when he was not at her side at the weddings, it seem like he was saying, watch my woman rule the show. He really beamed when she was there watching him get his wings. I think her support is what will get him though his training that starts next month.
December 12th, 2008 18:02
jj,
Even more strange is that unlike all PW’s earlier postings had used his attachment to get some publicity and hopefully increase their budget from the M of D.
If KM is involved with the web site of PP she could just as easilly work from home (or residence wherever that is at present). I have several friends who go one or two days a week from home but if she is a manager then her attendance at the warehouse/office would be mandatory.
December 12th, 2008 18:09
JJ, I wonder if these two could off somewhere spending time together or something. It’s like they have fallen off the planet. Even though he will be busy, I think he and Kate will be doing a lot of letter writting and some calling. It’s what going to get them through that.
December 12th, 2008 18:19
Hi Rman,
If they’re seen together over the next year or so then the last 4/5 months has been a complete and utter waste of time.
Any togetherness sighting will spark up the one thing that they have been damping down on and I feel that this has been the new CH regime’s principal objective and take the word engagement out of the paps vocabulary and it must be said they have been very successful.
If they are together and stay together all their meetings will be at friends country houses very much in the style of Charle/Camilla in their early days.
The Queen herself and Princess Margaret both used friends’ houses for clandestine meetings and country house parties became the vogue and holidays usually taken in private villas on private beaches.
Of course in those days the people invited were very discrete and it now seems that many of the older acquaintances have been dropped so stories and hints have just about been stopped.
That may of course account for the type of ‘attack’ stories that are now published in the press. Their sources have dried up so imagination come into play. ( KN take note)
December 12th, 2008 18:23
The only other thing to note Ked after thinking about the whole airforce girlfriend thing is that from what I have heard from my Navy airpilot friends relationships between pilots are hugely frowned upon and sometimes result in disciplinary action depending on rank. So even though PW is who he is I don’t know that that would work.
Rman I hope they are spending time together at the moment. Only time will tell. Some days I wish I had a crystal ball so that I could see PW’s wedding day.
December 12th, 2008 18:46
I agree Ked. JJ, I know what you mean. I think we are all waiting to see what their plans are. What next year will bring is another subject. But I think they are enjoying their break from the media.
December 12th, 2008 18:57
I think the fact that William has been out of sight since 31st October is a good indication that they are still together, and probably spending as much time with each other as they like.
I know Wills was with the SBS in the Caribbean for 2 weeks in November, but where was he before he left for the Caribbean, and after he returned from the Caribbean?
Here it is 12 December, and we haven’t seen photos of Wills in public since the last day of October. We haven’t seen Kate either.
For what other reason would BOTH of them remain so invisible to the public, other than if they were deliberately trying to remain under the radar?
Wills hates the press with a passion, and he’s probably extremely irritated and embarrassed about his episode of public ‘weeing’ being splashed all over the internet.
Add that to the way the media dealt with Kate’s roller-disco fall, and they have plenty of reason to remain low-key and secretive for a while.
December 12th, 2008 19:49
jj,
As I understand it there is no bar to officers of equal or similar rank. It is when there is a relationship between an officer and a non commissioned service person that action is taken.
My half brother and his wife were at university with and friendly with a young lady who was commissioned into the RAF and served as a navigator for over 12 years.
She met a fellow oficer and they eventually married and she left the service and had two children . They often stay with us in London and her husband is still serving and is a Group Captain and a test pilot and I go to East Anglia frequently to stay with them.
I have not heard any news since early november but I understood that KM hadn’t seen PW since their holiday apart from the wedding at the Hotel Sacher in Salzburg
I’m don’t know if he went to the Caribbean or not as there hasn’t been any confirmation which was very unusual.
December 12th, 2008 20:29
Ked like I said before, they seem to be enjoying their time out of the media. Wherever they are I hope they are having fun.
December 12th, 2008 20:31
Here is a video of the paps outside of her apartment in London. Thank God she is not living there anymore. She is seen going to her car and then going back inside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUq6OOO_u20&feature=related
December 12th, 2008 20:53
That’s interesting Ked. The pilots over here that I know have told me many times that whether they are equals or not it is not looked at in a good light especially if they are in the same squadron. Not to say that it doesn’t happen it has and people have been fired for it.
Anyway this is getting way too ahead of ourselves. We still don’t know what is going on.
Hmmm maybe he didn’t go to the Caribbean I also don’t think it was ever answered where he was when Charles Camilla and Harry attended that performance for his birthday and William wasn’t in attendance but then was reported to have stopped to help a couple. Very strange… A lot of cloak and dagger stuff going on here…
December 12th, 2008 21:17
Hello all,
I am beginning to wonder of Kate has been busy relocating herself to be closer to William during his training. In fact both Kate and William may be getting settled in their new home,likely to be on a RAF base,away from paps and the prying eyes of the media. My money is still on an engagement announcement soon.:)
December 12th, 2008 21:42
I think it’s coming too Lisa. If not this year, then early next year. JJ I agree, there’s something fishy going on.
December 12th, 2008 22:45
Ked,
I thought that William and Kate were together at Highgrove for Charles 60th. It sounded like they were there for most of the weekend. It also is strange that William has dropped out of sight. He has nothad any public events. If they had of broken up, would that have kept him from making public appearances?
Since they have both disappeared, I hope that they are together. It is the only thing that makes sense. (to me at least)
December 13th, 2008 01:08
Kat, I think they are together somewhere. Perhaps at Sandringham.
December 13th, 2008 01:09
if you people think that KM is not being seen because there is something going on, then what would be the reason as to why she has to hide. Lets say she is already engaged to PW, it hasnt been announced right?, so if it hasnt been announced then what is the reason for her to be hiding. It would make sense that she is staying away from public when the announcement is already made, as it was with princess Diana who went to live to the palace and stay away from the public eye after the announcement. But if they are already engaged as you suspect but no announcements have been made (meaning nobody knows they are engaged),there is no reason for KM to stay away from public eye.
Rman, you might be right, there is something fishing going on over here but it might not be an engagement, it might be a break up or something else.
December 13th, 2008 01:13
Kat
PW has not disappeared completely, we have seen him not many times but a couple of times clubbing(as when he was with christina aguilera and paris hilton), in the africa bike race, and other events. KM is the one who totally disappeared.
December 13th, 2008 03:00
Hi all,
from a big ballet fan here…..
tons of straight men love ballet!
both as audience and dancers!
otherwise, if KM is reduced to meeting pw on the sly, at friends’ houses or other clandestine locations, and mainly so that the words ‘engagement’ or ‘marriage’ disappear from the pappzzs’ mouths, then things have sunk quite low for km
what self-respecting young woman in her mid to late 20s would accept this limbo state?
all this to take proposal pressure off pw?
yet, supposedly without KM knowing if a proposal will ever follow?
December 13th, 2008 04:41
We don’t know what they are doing or what their plans are. So we really can’t say that. It really does seem like they are taking a break from the media at this point but may be doing other things as we speak. Right now if there is a announcement coming, then they may be planning that and figuring things out. We just have to wait and see. They have their own houses to meet each other and to be with each other. They don’t need to sneak around.
December 13th, 2008 08:40
“Funny isn’t it that unlike his brother’s squeeze, Prince Harry’s girlfriend Chelsy is managing to hold down a proper job, – albeit work experience with the Queen’s solicitor’s Farrer and Co – and is determined to earn her keep as a lawyer.
Ms Middleton may have thought all things would come to those who wait, but she may soon discover that unless she gets off her pert little butt, she’s been waiting in vain. ”
http://tinyurl.com/5hzslm
You have to scroll down to see the extract, but I have copied it all above.
BTW: that is a lovely outfit which Chelsy is wearing there. She looks very professional. Although I would have probably chosen a black skirt instead of grey, but she still looks very smart. I do hope she is enjoying her time there, I am sure she is finding out how hard the work is there but I hope she still likes it all the same.
December 13th, 2008 09:10
B, it may be that she was going for a bit of a variation from the black skirt she wore on the first day. The dress code at a blue chip law firm is extremely conservative and for females, that usually ends up meaning a woman can wear any colour she wants, so long as it’s black, grey, navy, beige or brown (for winter.) I would doubt Chelsy would pick anything that would be too bright (such as red) even if it does match her royal boyfriend’s military uniform.
Best of luck to any young woman (or man) starting a career these days and I admire Chelsey’s spunk.
Not sure what AP was impying though, by “unless she gets off her pert little but” — I thought Kate was hard at work at Party Pieces?
And if PW was so bothered by his GF’s work ethic (however much or little one chooses to consider that to be or not be) wouldn’t he have left her ages ago?
One thing I will find curious is the utter lack of respect the members of the press seem to have for KM these days. If this is their future Queen, shouldn’t/wouldn’t they behave differently?
Normally, a royal bride (save for Camilla) starts off with a huge amount of public goodwill, not as someone who is made fun of and requires a revamp. This is a bit worrisome.
December 13th, 2008 09:16
The press always has to compare KM and CD work experience. When really there is nothing to compare. They have different degrees, so what’s the point? Although I think CD was lucky to get to intern at Queen’s firm, does that make KM job less important? How far does CD plan to take her career, if she is going to have a future w/RF? Still, I admire her stamina and her quest to see beyond the RF.
I though the press would have discussed Carole’s comments to the Telegraph. No mention of it, unless it will come out on Sunday.
December 13th, 2008 09:25
alsgal, the thing is Kate DID start off with a lot of good will. Her press was stellar for the first two – three years and only went downhill after the break up. AP is just her ususal snarky self. Kate’s “problem” for now is that noone sees her working very hard at her parents. Those who only pay attention to her at random may not even know about that employment because there are no pics of her looking professional and going to work etc. Her staying in Berks is great for her privacy but doesn’t do anything to improve her image. Chelsy will have 4 weeks of vacation after her recent work stint and I expect the usual beach/party pics that will result in some snarky remarks for her again…The same old game.
Kate has been in the public eye for much longer now than any royal bride before her prior to marriage. The media backlash comes for all of them. I don’t see what it matters whether it happens before or shortly after a wedding. It’s really impossible to compare the hype caused by a young “fresh” face in the media and someone who has been watched and scrutinised for 4 years. Noone looks great and flawless under a microscope for that long.
December 13th, 2008 09:51
Trixie, those are good points. The problem is that perception is largely based on what we see, and what we have proof of, which is not necessarily the way things are.
Unfortunately in Kate’s case, what registered in the minds of many were the photos of her leaving Boujis with a glorious mane and smile to match, along with relatively few pics of her coming out of an office. Of course, although we did see her coming out of Jigsaw, most unfortunately dismissed that as a CYA-part-time-while-she-waited-at-PW’s-beck-and-call job. Very few people took it seriously, and given that it only lasted a year, albeit with several breaks (including the period of compassionate leave following the split — which many snarkily and IMO heartlessly said would have never been possible for a regular employee) many have said, well, this proved she didn’t take work that seriously.
So, I guess then, that Kate was supposed to be a workaholic, Noble-prize winning overachiever
from the get go?
Was there anything wrong in being a bit carefree, and lacking professional ambition? Is it so bad that all Kate wanted was a house in the country with horses and ski trips? Would that really be so bad for England to have a Queen like that?
So now she is forced to take pictures of cupcakes at her parents company to prove her worthiness. Does that really prove anything?
December 13th, 2008 10:53
I see no reason for Kate to pretend to be a career woman either if she rather sees herself as wife, countrywoman and later mother. To me work is mainly a way to make a living.
However in post-feminist times it is apparently nearly a crime not to start some sort of career at least – even if you drop it by the second your loved one proposes. So Kate will have to live with being judged on that until she can prove herself as Royal.
I do not see why a future Queen Consort would have to be a “career woman” or have had employment fulltime somewhere. Her tasks as royal will be far from any regular work experience except maybe in diplomatic service. But Kate’s degree would have taken her into the art world, a gallery possibly and I don’t get what being a curator or gallerist would have taught her regarding a royal position later in life.
December 13th, 2008 10:56
Btw. I didn’t mean to imply that you may not use work experience you got somehow in your position later but I don’t think it’s a neccessary “requirement” for a Queen Consort to have had a career to be able to do her job.
December 13th, 2008 11:31
Alsgal
You make a good point again about perception. What the article which B posted shows is that the press still don’t accept that Kate is working hard at Party Pieces & I really don’t know what they are going to do with “the Kate problem”. At the moment they are supposed to be keeping a low profile and like some have pointed out before, how are they supposed to revamp the girl if no body sees her coming in and out of an office of some sort like Chelsy.
The press would have turned on Kate at some point for something it really was just a matter of time. Chelsy had a rough time from the start so for now she is getting some good press but the sharks will be back in the water again if she continues with Harry at some point. Depending on her Law path you can bet your bottom dollar (or pound) that fake clients will be set up by the press like Sophie Reese Jones all trying to catch her out.
I’m still hoping that KM & PW will have the Abbey ending (and plan to fly home to line the streets like most other people will if it happens) but I do worry that things are not heading in the right direction right now. Maybe she is better off without the RF…
December 13th, 2008 11:33
I agree, Trixie and alsgal, but then it is unfair to blame Camilla for being workshy or even lazy. Same standards for everyone.
December 13th, 2008 11:37
Camilla is royal. Calling her “workshy” is based on the amount of royal engagements she carried out and she really falls behind everyone else in the RF in that respect. I think noone blames her for being a housewife the 50 something years before she married Charles – it’s what she did afterwards that led to criticism.
If Kate barely made it through 200 engagements per year while HM and the Duke at over 80 do almost 500, I’d call her lazy, too!
However I don’t think her not having a career now means that she won’t live up to what’s expected of her as a royal.
December 13th, 2008 11:55
Good point alsgal, I’d forgotten that she had already worn a black skirt. I do know that they have to be conservative which is why I said that I thought that black might look better. JMO thought, she still looks lovely.
I think the problem with the PP job is that she only started working there after a lot of negative press and it really did give the impression that she was only working there to salvage her reputation and to protect William’s. After if she looks bad so does he.
I don’t know if you are joking or not about Chelsy going on holiday straight after her work experience because as far as I know she only goes on holiday during the breaks from the uni. She also tends to go to Africa where her family is which can hardly be classified as a proper holiday as it is her home. She has been to Botswana with Harry but I think it is just the once so far this year (perhaps somebody knows for sure what her holidays have been so far and could inform the rest of us as I am not sure). I would not be surprised if she did go on “holiday” over the Christmas because she always goes to Africa to be with her family and I do not have a problem with a person wanting to go home for Christmas to be with their family.
However , you may have been joking in which case that’s fine.
In terms of Kate and her working , I do not think it is necessary for a person to work. Although, working does not necessarily have to be for money, whilst I was doing my A levels (part time studying) I was also working not for money but for just getting out of the house, having a break and gaining new skills. I enjoyed the sense of achievement that can be gained from work.
Anyway, Kate does not have to work in fact as long as she is not living off the state (i.e. getting benefits) that is fine. However, there are certain expectations and standards which come with dating or being a royal. People had a problem with Kate or still do because she has only ever worked when there has been negative press (remember 2006, William was annoyed that she was being painted as a WAG and asked her to get a job and then earlier this year she was getting negative press for not working). She also has never really done anything else. It would be one thing if she was an active member for some organization or charity but she is not. In fact she has done very little during the time she has dated William compared to most women, even those who are from an upper middle class background (apart from finish her uni degree).
Any job would help a person be a royal. By being a curator or by working in a gallery she would have a good idea of history, attitudes during certain eras (views and opinions can be seen in art), culture as well as administration skills, working in a team and leadership skills and other skills which are gained from work. These skills would have given her an advantage. By understanding more about culture and history she would be able to understand people from different countries more. Skills such as leadership, administration or those gained by working in a team would be very useful to her if she became a royal as she would have her own staff.
Yes, she could manage without the knowledge or skills but it would certainly help her if she had them.
But the underlying point still remains that a royal is in the public eye and survives on public opinion. Both Chelsy and Kate must realize the importance of good public opinion no matter what they do or want to do. William and Harry are working it out (no clubbing for months and Harry is doing more charity work). There are expectations and both need to realize that.
December 13th, 2008 11:56
So Kate is going to change from disliking work (reason for not wanting to work) to become a workaholic over night???
December 13th, 2008 12:26
Exactly, B.
Her decision not to work can be considered as a private decision. However, the work ethic of a future queen is not so private anymore.
Camilla is considered workshy because she is not used to having engagements, meetings everyday.
If Kate is not used to this either, she will have the same attitude as Camilla one day. Now she is still young and pretty, but latest when she hits forty, people may not be so forgiving anymore.
Also, if the Mathildas, Marys, Maximas et al could work while dating the crown prince, why could not she? I really think Kate is a lovely girl and all, but her decision not to get a proper job – at least for a long time, this has changed now – was perhaps a bit naive.
December 13th, 2008 12:46
Hi all,
Here in the states there is a mini-trend among highly educated young women graduating from elite universities.
The mini-trend is that they’ve seen their own mothers or other women try to juggle high powered careers with motherhood and/or marriage, and they’ve decided this is not for them.
They are choosing to opt out of a career track, focusing instead on marriage and/or family, and their own personal interests.
This is a bit worrisome to the elite universities, who devote resources to their students in the expectation that most will go on to be productive citizens or leaders in their fields.
There’s a bit of a class element to this, also, since these young women are assuming they will marry their elite counterpart, whose high salary will support them both.
And, they’re not planning to pursue frivolous interests, such as shopping or bar crawling, but rather worthwhile avocations that they’ve developed during their college years.
It’s just a mini trend, but a trend nonetheless.
December 13th, 2008 13:44
I am sure that some women do feel that they can have both, but most women tend to get a job and then give it up if they have children and not just do nothing for ages.
It doesn’t apply to KM or CD though because they will have to work doing royal duties if they marry PW and PH
December 13th, 2008 15:13
Rman
you may be right when you say that KM and PW are taking a break from the media. Probably they are still together but they are just taking a break and making certain plans we dont know.
But honestly, I dont think they could ever take a break from the media. The media is everywhere and have their sources. Example: when william and kate were photographed together dancing in the party, they were not outside where the media could see, they were inside. Still we were able to see pictures of them because of some people who were inside took pictures of them and most likely sold them to the media. Meaning, that no matter how much they hide, everyone knows them and some one who gets to see them together(any random people doesnt have to be the media) will take pictures of them, call the media and let the media where they are, etc. They will never get away if they are still seeing each other no matter how much they hide. But so far, there havent been any news of them being together, and that is because they havent usually been together. If they were still be seeing each other, we would’ve had news from them being together already, dont you think so? There is always someone who will see them together unless they become invisible people, but they are not, and if they are not news of them being together, then it means they are not together any more.
December 13th, 2008 16:45
Here we go:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/3741908/Bearded-Prince-William-goes-shooting-with-his-girlfriend-and-his-brother.html
December 13th, 2008 17:42
Such an odd picture of KM! Other than the hat, it’s hard to tell if it’s even her. I hope clearer photos come out of her. Her mouth looks different.
December 13th, 2008 17:58
There are no pics at that link…just the story…did there used to be pics, too?
December 13th, 2008 18:01
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article99660.ece
December 13th, 2008 18:08
Before any one’s imagination gets carried away… I will reiterate, Prince William and Miss Middleton are absolutely not tied to one another.
MIss Middleton was allowed to be invited under special circumstances.
-Karagiosis
December 13th, 2008 18:17
Karagiosis~ could you expand on that statement? I am a little confused. Do you mean that they are not dating and she was just invited with all the other friends as just a friend?
December 13th, 2008 18:35
Well I suppose one can call it that… a “friendship”.
December 13th, 2008 18:42
Well whatever I am just glad to see some pictures of them in the same space. Didn’t William look a lot older with the Beard????
December 13th, 2008 18:46
There are even clearer pictures on the DM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1094515/Kate-aims-high-joins-bearded-Wills-Harry-mystery-blonde-royal-shoot.html
December 13th, 2008 19:25
Karagiosis,
If they have broken up, what special circumstances could there be to give her a special invitation? If the RF wants there to be no connction made between her and William, why would they allow her to be photographed with him after such a long silence? It sounds like you had almost a true dislike of even calling them friends. Are you someone who is trying to get the “truth” out because you want to be with him publically? If so, doesn’t that make what you say questionable? All I can say is that I am hoping that you are very wrong. It was good to see pictures of them both. I am glad to see that they are alright.
December 13th, 2008 19:55
LOL, LOL. What did I tell you. Boy I am glad to see them.
December 13th, 2008 20:02
Well, I’m happy to see them together, but I agree with what a few people have said lately…all of the “hiding” over the past few months was kind of all for nothing, now….this is just going to reignite all of the rumours and questions…
December 13th, 2008 20:17
But you know, I don’t think they care. Something told me that they are at Sandringham. I think they just took a break from the media for awhile. Members of the royal family often do that.
December 13th, 2008 20:21
wow, wow, wow
the royals shooting and stalking animals again. Again, this is so stupid to me.
I would also like to see more clear pictures of KM and PW because those are really blurry and in some cases it doesnt even look like it is them.
If it is them, then I would like to say that the royals (including KM) are outrageously stupid for stalking animals.
Oh well, this is my point of view whether you like it or not.
December 13th, 2008 20:29
Not really L
I don’t see one mention in any of the articles about “engagement” or “marriage” in any of them. Just PW shooting birds with his girlfriend.
Sonia I am not a big hunting fan but the RF have always been big hunting fans and it is also something which goes on a lot in America. They love their guns over here!
Rman I am glad to see them too. Lets just hope the media don’t go crazy and scare them away again!
December 13th, 2008 20:43
I know what you mean JJ. Lets hope not. I understand Sonia but that is their family tradition. We don’t have to like it but they do.
December 13th, 2008 20:58
Finally! It is great to see Kate there with William. Although, I thought things were okay with them. She has been laying low like William probably advice given to her by the RF. I still think an engagement will come soon. I don’t think she will have to wait for years like some people seem to think. She fits well with the family. She and Will have alot in common and I don’t think aristo girls are his cup of tea. I kind of like the beard on William. Very manly. btw It doesn’t look like Kate cut her hair.
December 13th, 2008 21:06
I don’t know Maddie you can’t really tell from the photographs. If you look at last years photographs on the shoot you can clearly see her hair but I can’t see any hair in this photograph.
December 13th, 2008 21:07
okay….
if Harry is with a mystery blonde, what is going on with him and Chelsey?
Or…..this mystery blonde is not threat to Chelsey, just a platonic friend of Harry
in that case….is there symmetry here?
If the blonde woman is simply a “friend” out with Harry and family, is KM’s status also that of “friend” out with PW and family?
I mean, the appearance of this mystery woman throws a damper on thoughts that KM and PW are back on….
remember, a theory on here is that KM and PW will still be seen together now and then, in these sort of gatherings, since KM is now a friend of the family……
this keeps KM quiet, for starters
also….does KM’s hair seem shorter under that furry hat?
December 13th, 2008 22:04
anastasia, we have seen not that long ago that Harry & Chelsy are doing just fine and the same goes for William & kate. The blonde may be a friend of theirs that is with them on the stay at Sandringham. William & Kate was never off for anyone to say that they are back on. They seem to be enjoying their private time at Sandringham with some members of the royal family. We all hoped and prayed that we would see them and now we got it. I think what people don’t understand is that William & Kate are a loving couple and are friends too. I think that is so important in a relationship, is to be a friend and confidant to your partner. No matter if you are just boyfriend & girlfriend, husband & wife, being good friends is important.
December 13th, 2008 22:18
Anastasia
That blonde looks very familiar. I think someone else on another website mentioned that her name was lucy meade sister of James meade? Just another one of their buddies. I think she was also at the concert for Diana and maybe at the Wimbledon Tennis with Kate. Not sure on either of those yet she just looks familiar.
December 13th, 2008 22:42
Rman,
i totally agree with you that being good friends with one’s romantic partner is very important…
but the point i was trying to make is that, just as Harry and Chelsey are probably fine, so that this blonde is not a threat but as jj says, just a friend, so, too, maybe KM is also appearing there just as a friend, not a girlfriend….
who knows? it’s just a thought…
some have said that if km was keeping hidden to avoid media appearances and dampen talk of proposals, then they would not appear at all before the media, since that would un-do all their efforts at staying hidden from sight
yet, here we have an appearance before the media….
so….what theory is left?
perhaps that KM is simply there as a friend, not as girlfriend…?
December 13th, 2008 22:54
I understand what you are saying but no we all know that Kate is his girlfriend and they are spending time together on the estate. There is no theory to it. The royals often host get togethers at Sandringham this time of the year. I think William & Kate often send messages out to the media, they they are doing just fine. William & kate may be hosting a get together there. But there’s no question about it, William & Kate is a couple and that has not changed. Now I can sleep easily because of their appearence, lol.
December 13th, 2008 23:34
Anastasia,
Sure, one could remain friends with an ex-boyfriend – however, you probably would not go out and do your old favorite “couple” activities together. The way I see it, the issue with your theory doesn’t fit this particular couple. Everything that the Royal Family does is orchestrated. They would not “orchestrate” this showing unless they wanted the world to know they where still a couple.
I for one, am thrilled to see that they are obviously still together (although I never had a doubt).
December 13th, 2008 23:57
Hope everyone is having a great weekend! This is a bit off topic, but I was wondering whatever happened to a commenter by the name of “Will”? He used to post a lot in the past?
December 14th, 2008 00:04
great to see some pics. I expected them but I must comment on a few points. I hate the idea of shooting birds. Yeah I know it’s what the RF do but it is very offensive to me and quite politically incorrect,IMO.
I am amazed by all these theories about these pics that range from, the girl not being Kate to Kate being there as a friend to Kate being there to be introduced to Wills new GF (my personal fave). People come on. now I know some folks hate Kate and can’t sleep at night knowing she is keeping company with William but maybe a reality check is in order…
And for my last point. I must again question as the the true identity of karagiosis. The verbage and content sounds so much like Ked and the former Will that it makes me wonder why the games? Whoever you are sir or madam you expect this group and others to believe that you know all the intimate details of William and Kates relationship right down to why she was at the estate with him and what the nature of their relationship is. Sorry but it is just not flying. I don’t mean to come off an rude or blunt but one would have to be so close to the family to know such things and I doubt such a person would be monitoring and posting on a royal message board.
Most posters here try to be true and honest and express their hopes and opinions about a subject they enjoy and for whatever reason the poster using this name is trying to toy with us. I am personally not buying it and find it childish.
December 14th, 2008 00:35
If it was not your intention to be rude, then you failed.
As you are so interested and seem to think you can identify my style of writing, then once again you will be disappointed to learn that I have never written here or on the other forums under any other name.
-Karagiosis
December 14th, 2008 00:37
Two more points before I head off…
How do you suppose these pictures on a private estate were obtained? Answer..someone gave these photographers access,thats how. JMO.
I have to see the beard in a better picture but so far it’s thumbs down. Thankfully facial hair is surely a no no in the RAF so the beard will be going bye bye.
He probably was somewhere that he could not shave and decided to keep it to show it off a bit.
A little stubble yes
A beard noooooo. LOL.
December 14th, 2008 00:39
Well Lisa, there are a lot of people who use to post on here but don’t anymore. I guess that leave room for new posters. I personally don’t think Ked is Will but I would like to know what happened to Will and liz? But I agree with you, the fact is William & Kate are together and that’s that. There’s nothing more to it.
December 14th, 2008 00:47
I am not dissappointed at all. I don’t buy what your selling. I would imagine those with such close ties to senior members of the BRF would have other things to do then monitor a blog site with us common-folk and spread rumors about the state of the personal relationship of the future King of England.Nope. Not flying. As someone told you elsewhere, You have no credibility. Zero. I am not being rude just blunt and honest. I hate when people think they can hide behind a keyboard and toy with others.
December 14th, 2008 04:29
*happy dance* PICTURES! Yeah… so much for all the break-up talk…
those theories are hilarious. The one about Kate being introduced to the new g/f is priceless! I wish I had such a creative mind…
Lisa,
Why does noone comment on the fact that the only one missing is Chelsy? Instead Harry is pictured with another blond…
Seriously does anyone know the young “Lady”?
December 14th, 2008 06:23
Yes, it is great to see them etc.
Trixie: There is no new g/f at all, the blonde was just a friend of Harry’s. Chelsy is in London doing her work experience, it would not have been possible for her to travel all the way to Sandringham and then travel back for Monday.
People have commented about Chelsy not being there above. Chelsy has never gone on one of these shoots anyway, I get the feeling its not her type of thing.
December 14th, 2008 06:58
Trixie, can you imagine the comments if it was William with this blonde? LOL. Nice to see William and Kate getting along so well after he dumped her!
December 14th, 2008 07:09
Lisa….hardly anyone has said that Kate and William have broken up, only I think possibly 1 or 2 people have said so. Everyone else knows and has said that they are together but debates whether or not they are getting engaged.
December 14th, 2008 07:20
hey B,I was being sarcastic. I know they did not break up. I just find all the comments on certain forums to be very funny. Some just cannot accept that they are together.
BTW, is the girl in the pictures with the group the same girl who was with Kate at Wills Wing ceremony. I believe she is his cousin on the Spence side.
How is your pregnancy coming along,B?
December 14th, 2008 07:49
Ok lisa
Is that who the girl is? I thought I recognized her from somewhere but I really wasn’t sure where from. Hmmm…
My pregnancy is going well thanks. The baby is due at the end of May and morning sickness has gone now so I’m feeling a lot better. Both the baby and myself are well. It was my daughter’s birthday yesterday (she’s 2 now I just can’t believe it), so she is very happy at the moment playing with all her new toys.
December 14th, 2008 08:09
Glad to hear all is well Lisa! I hope the rest of your pregnancy is uneventful. End of May huh? maybe your baby will be here in time for a special event on TV
December 14th, 2008 08:11
Oh my gosh! The hypocrisy that I have just read on some other forums is ridiculous. Now this isn’t being said about anybody here, I truely think that we are 97% of the time very fair in our opinions (everyone ends up biased sometimes, it is natural) but on this one site they are so bias.
A lot of them in their posts are saying something along the lines of “I bet the Kate haters hate this, seeing them together. I told you they were still a couple, this gets rid of any rumours that they have broken up. Just because they haven’t been seen together doesn’t matter, they are as strong as ever” etc. (by the way that wasn’t a direct quote it is just close to what people are saying).
However in the very NEXT SENTENCE they are saying ” Look Chelsy wasn’t there and a new girl was. Yesssss! He has a new girlfriend” etc.
Now I have no problem with people saying that they are together or wondering why Chelsy was not there. But the hypocrisy of what they are saying just makes me really annoyed. They are condemning people for wondering if Kate and William have broken up as there has not been a picture and then (in the next sentence), they are also claiming that Chelsy and Harry have broken up because they are not seen together.
Gosh…it gets me so annoyed that people can contradict themselves and be so hypocritical in the same paragraph. If they hate it when people say that about KM and PW, why say it about CD and PH???? It frustrates me when people do this with any of the princes and their girlfriends. I think it is great for people to have different opinions I just do not like it when they are hypocritical.
Okay…it’s out of my system now. Thanks for letting me have my little rant.
December 14th, 2008 08:14
Thanks lisa. That would make it all quite an event. My partner and I are beginning to think of baby names at the moment. My name is the same as a flower and so is my daughter’s (it was a coincidence that it happened that way, I never thought about it when I was naming her), so we have been wondering about continuing the tradition or not. My partner is Italian so we choose a traditional Italian name, but then I’m half Greek so we could choose a Greek name. My family is a made up of a real mix of differnet cultures.
December 14th, 2008 09:21
I am glad things are going well, B.
Atleast they have clearer pictures in the DM and KM is not blurry. I don’t know what to think but they are cleary together for these photos and its nice to see KM regardless. I still don’t get why the RF would go through all the trouble of having KM around sometimes to keep her quiet. The last thing I would want is to hang out w/an ex-boyfriend shooting birds. I would think they would just move on with their lives like everyone else does.
December 14th, 2008 11:19
I agree Lisa. The only people that truly know what is going on with the relationsip are those close to them and they are not posting on here. Its total rubbish!!!
December 14th, 2008 12:12
B, I try my best to not pay any attention to that. Everyone knows that Harry & Chelsy is doing just fine and he’s not with a new girl. It’s really good to see them. Not everyone like the thought of W&K together and if you read other royal blogs, you can clearly tell that some is going crazy at the moment because for some reason they thought Kate was out of the picture. Even though I think they are alittle funny but I also think it’s sad that they act like that. The media knew everything was fine with them and just waited for a picture. Thanks for keeping us updated about the baby.