Romantic Pheasant Shoot for Kate and William
A muddy field in Norfolk may not be the most romantic of venues.
But Prince William and Kate Middleton were clearly enjoying each other’s company as they went on a pheasant shoot at Sandringham yesterday.
Kate, dressed in a dark jacket, scarf and warm hat, beamed broadly as her Royal boyfriend concentrated on taking aim at their feathered quarry above.
This was the first time they had been photographed together since September, when they attended a friend’s wedding in Austria.
Kate, who has been dubbed ‘Waity Katie’ because she is apparently happy to hang on until he proposes, is said to have had a ‘minor wobble’ about their relationship when William decided to commit the next seven years to the RAF.
But they looked relaxed and happy as they tramped around the Royal estate in the rain, accompanied by Prince Harry, who was with a mystery blonde female friend.
Whether Kate approves of her boyfriend’s newly acquired beard is something Royal watchers will have to wait to find out…
Read the entire article at the Daily Mail or more coverage at the Telegraph
December 14th, 2008 11:13
This is no doubt one of the most shocking pictures of Kate Middleton. I disagree with William and Harry hunting too, unfortunately for them, they were raised to believe that hunting is a fun thing to do.
But Kate Middleton doesn’t have that obligatory “Hunting is what Royals and Upper class people do” upbringing. It is as if she is willing to hold a gun and take the life of an animal just to fit in. I am very proud of Chelsy Davy for not taking part in this. I greatly respect her so much more for that.
December 14th, 2008 11:20
This is hardly the first pic of Kate at a hunt. Chelsy hunts in Africa. Her father sells hunting trips to rich people. She’s probably just too much of a sissy for the British weather.
December 14th, 2008 11:24
I have never seen a picture with Chelsy hunting even though her father sells hunting trips.
Kate on the other hand I have seen hunting several times. Personally I don’t agree with her choice to hunt.
December 14th, 2008 11:26
Quite unfortunate that the first picture of KM in months is of her engaging in animal cruelty (or “the Royals’ age old country tradition”). I can’t imagine this will help her in anyway in terms of public opinion- the majority of those who they might one day govern are pretty opposed to unsustainable and cruel shooting. And she looks so happy doing it all too..
December 14th, 2008 11:37
Well we can all lobby for Parliament to change the law and forbid hunting alltogether. Until then I see no point attacking those who do even less since we don’t even know whether any of them succeeding in shooting pheasants or what they’d be doing with them afterwards. As long as they are used for nutrition I don’t think it makes much of a difference whether a butcher does the killing for you or whether you do it yourself.
December 14th, 2008 11:53
She’s holding a gun with a huge grin on her face. I don’t care IF she succeded or DIDN’T succeed in killing an animal. Her goal is to HUNT an I oppose that. You make a great point Rina. This is the first that we have seen of Kate in months and she’s hunting. It doesn’t look good.
December 14th, 2008 12:39
Well I know not everyone like to see the royal family hunting but it’s a royal family tradition and the pheasant is taken to kitchen to be prepared for dinner or given to neighbors. Often you will see The Duke of Edinburgh, The Countess of Wessex, Prince Charles, Princess Anne and even the Queen taking part in the hunt. It’s what you do when you stay at Sandringham and the house as a big cased gun room. Now there are some that don’t think Kate should participate but she got the interest so she will. She is a country girl who is becoming part of a country family. That’s just how it is but I can see that The Press Association is noticing the royal shoot.
http://tinyurl.com/6m6544
Aagin some just don’t like it.
December 14th, 2008 13:07
Rman you’re right. It is part of the Royal’s tradition but it’s not part of Kate’s and that’s why the public are not pleased with her choice of participating.
December 14th, 2008 13:09
Excuse me, but can Alsgal get an “Amen, sister!” around here
— didn’t I reassure you all back in November that we’d surely see a pic of KM and pW shooting at flying things at Sandringham in December?
What a relief.
My theory: they are still on, and that the Wedding Spectacular was delayed due to:
1) the economy
2) Kate needing to burnish up her work image
3) PW wanting to delay ribbon cutting for a few more years.
December 14th, 2008 13:14
Amen sister.
Gia do you know the Middleton family traditions well enough to say for sure that they were not into hunting before Kate met William? After all Pippa and James have joined hunting parties in the past, too.
December 14th, 2008 13:20
Do I have to know the Middleton family well enough to be able to figure out that they most likely haven’t had a tradition of hunting until they entered the circles of the upper class? Pippa and James aren’t in the running to become Queen.
December 14th, 2008 13:58
alsgal, you certainly get an ‘Amen’ from me as well!
And I agree with you Trixie, hunting is legal. Since it’s legal, to hunt or not to hunt is a personal choice.
William, Harry, and Kate were all hunting, that was their choice and it was perfectly legal for them to do so.
Picking on Kate and saying that it’s wrong for her to choose to hunt because she didn’t grow up doing so is both unfair and illogical. Hunting is legal, therefore Kate is not doing anything wrong.
Not everyone agrees with the idea that hunting is wrong. Since it’s legal to hunt, who is to say that hunting is wrong, and that hunters are wrong?
Many people in the UK, Canada, and around the world hunt in exactly the same way that the Royal Family does. If it’s legal in their country and they’re following the rules, then others should just butt out IMO.
No one forces anyone to hunt, and by the same token no one can force a person to stop hunting as long as it is legal.
Kate is spending with her boyfriend and his family, and she’s participating in a sport that he obviously enjoys. Women all over the world do that, it’s a way to share your guy’s interests. For some reason, some people have the assumption that Kate feels hunting is wrong, and that by hunting she is going against a personal principle, thereby compromising herself and her personal integrity.
But it’s very possible that Kate doesn’t have a problem with hunting at all. She’s never said she didn’t believe in it, so why should we assume she’s just faking interest for William’s sake? Maybe she enjoys it just like he does.
But none of them have to get the public’s approval to hunt as long as they don’t break the law, and if Wills and Kate get married, she will be a member of the Royal Family and she will be hunting with them anyway. If she enjoys it, why shouldn’t she hunt?
If I were able to do so, the only thing I would suggest to Kate is that she try to be very careful about carrying a gun if there are paps around.
But just to remind everyone, Kate has been attending shooting parties at Sandringham since December 2001. There is a link on the IF to a photo of Kate taken at Sandringham in December 2001. The photo itself has a caption that tells the date the pic was snapped.
Seeing as it’s currently December 2008, that means Kate has been attending shooting parties at Sandringham for 7 years, and she’s only 26 years old. That’s more than enough time to become familiar with the sport of hunting and decide if she likes it or not.
December 14th, 2008 14:13
exactly who is to say kate doesn’t enjoy hunting. She clearly enjoys many sports why would she be faking enjoying hunting. I guess she pretends to like skiing to fit in. I have many friends who go deer hunting and some are women. I have been hunting myself but didn’t care for it. I do think it is crazy for people to rant like maniacs whether they hunt or not. They are doing what people have done forever and will continue doing and as long as they are within the limits of the law, so be it.
December 14th, 2008 14:22
I suppose there arent many posters here tha twill have turkey or any other animal for Christmas.
I personally eat meat or fish almost every day. They were all animals that were killed. Hunting as I know it is to provide food.
December 14th, 2008 14:23
Guys
Have you seen the pictures of James Middleton on the Royal Truth with the dead squirrel?? Isn’t it funny how everytime something nice comes out about Kate more awful pictures are being leaked of her family.
Also they note that Chelsy has been staying at Clarence House and that she is switching to a corporate law firm for her final week as she has an interest in the economic crisis.
Katie Nichol has apparently said that Kate is making trips to London once a week to to go TX Maxx, which I find hard to believe but it is Katie Nichol so it not hard to not believe anything she writes.
December 14th, 2008 14:25
Link incase anyone wants to see.
http://royaltruthforum.blogspot.com/
December 14th, 2008 14:32
Mapleleaf, hunting may be legal but it doesn’t make it right to everyone. Prostitution is legal in the Netherlands but just because it is legal there, many Dutch still think it’s wrong.
Slavery was legal once upon a time, and some thought it was right but others thought it was wrong (until people decided to fight for the abolishment of slavery). Now, please don’t get me wrong, I am not comparing prostitution and slavery to hunting, I am merely saying that just because a law is passed, it may not necessarily make something right. Just because a law is passed, the law doesn’t diminish an individuals moral code.
To me, it IS undoubtedly wrong whether or not it is legal, or whether Kate doesn’t see it as unfit etc.
How is it unfair and illogical to question Kate about hunting because she didn’t grow up doing so? Is it unfair for me or anyone else for that matter to question an action that we disagree with? Have you never done such a thing yourself perhaps? Is it illogical to question the meaning and impact of guns and hunting for sport?
Last but not least, if I can’t judge Kate Middleton based on her actions, then what can I judge her based on?
Her smile? Her hair? Her boots perhaps?
I may not know her, but it doesn’t take away my right (or yours for that matter),to have an opinion about a person that we may or may not know.
I see a picture of a woman holding a gun, ready to shoot, while smiling happily…I have the right to fairly and logically question that.
December 14th, 2008 14:37
I actually believe that Chelsy may stay in CH while at her intership in London. It makes sense. There’s no point ot rent out a room for 2 weeks. The part about her retiring early with law books is cr** though, IMO. How would anyone know what she reads/does in bed and when? She certainly looked rather tired with bags under her eyes in some pics. I guess it’s more safe to say Harry kept her up all night.
However it would be odd if Chelsy was staying in CH while Harry was in Sandringham with Will, Kate and mystery blond. I think she was there also.
December 14th, 2008 14:54
Face it, Kate wants to fit into traditonal royal culture and it is in her best interest to do so, to be accepted by these people on their terms. IMO she is not about to rock the boat by boycotting ANY of thier traditions especially being this close to marriage. She would NEVER do it, IMO.
December 14th, 2008 14:54
How do we know Kate didn’t grow up hunting? Even if she had never hunted before meeting william. One is entitled to acquire a new sport that they enjoy and who is to say one is less moral because they hunt.None of us would be here if our ancestors had not hunted or fished. Hunting is part of life whether animals hunt other animals or humans hunt animals. It actually controls overpopulation.
December 14th, 2008 14:59
Sure hunting isn’t illegal… but that doesn’t make them ethical to do in every case. Hunting is indeed an old English tradition, but with today’s Green movement and the amount of youth who do not condone hunting and such, it’s just not a smart move PR wise. The Royal Family has gotten a lot of heat from the public in recent years for their hunts, and so it follows logically that it is something that a future Queen might want to reconsider participating in, especially as the generations that she will most likely be a role model to, and is a role model to at the moment, do not believe in hunting for pleasure.
As a pro-animals rights activist, my argument is biased, and I readily concede as much… but still, there’s a difference between consuming meat bought from a butcher and killing it yourself. Yes somebody has to kill it first, but when it comes to leisure hunting, there’s something so cruel about shooting defense less birds and being so HAPPY whilst doing it, regardless of what happens with the animal after (whether they cook it or gift it).
It’s so fallacious to appeal to tradition as a means to justify the ENTIRE young Royal generation’s participation in the hunts (not just Kate, as there are certain individuals who are more guilty).
Re: Chelsy,
We’re all pretty polite here, but some forums are horrible. Everyone has established this concept that just because Chelsy smokes and parties, and goes on holidays to visit her African family, that she does little at school, work etc.
I’m not sure how many people are currently students, but that IS the lifestyle of the average student. I go clubbing at least once a week, intern in holidays for work experience, and go home to Canada at least five or six times during the school year to visit my family during my weeks off school. I do agree that she should attempt to quit smoking as its a horrible habit in terms of her health, and it isn’t a great one to promote to today’s youth either…
My point is really that Chelsy is just like every other student out there when it comes to going out and having fun- she is in her early 20’s, what else can you expect of her? To study a bit, knit a sweater and sleep with her cat? I go to a really competitive school in America, and we do just as much drunk stumbling out of night clubs as Chelsy does. I hope she volunteers on the side though as well…
Kate and Co., also have the right to enjoy their nights out, but their drunken stumbles are what I’d be more concerned about- her crowd has been out of school for a good 3/4 years now, and rightfully should have other pursuits, besides clubbing so often and shopping. It’s all so reminiscent of Paris Hilton, as that is what SHE does every night it seems. But then again, she is a genuine entertainment personality, and has a HUGE branded empire to promote by being on the night scene so often. What does Kate have to promote?
December 14th, 2008 15:07
Buying meat from a butcher isn’t any better. The conditions that the animals are kept in at slaughter houses is far worse. I would hope all the pro animal rights people don’t eat any meat, fish, eggs, or dairy considering the majority of these animals don’t lead a good life. At least the birds and deer in the wild get to enjoy their natural surroundings and some may be killed by hunters but at least they are not cramped into tiny cages for their entire life.
December 14th, 2008 15:17
Rina,I cannot follow your argument. I accept those who live as vegetarians. To say it’s wrong in general to eat meat is consequent and logical, IMO. As a vegetarian, IMO, you may as wellcriticise those who hunt and kill naimals because no animal dies for your own meals either.
And I understand many find hunting cruel. I could also never kill an animal myself but I would never condemn those who do.
Why should it be better to by the meat ready made? Do you think the steak suffered “less” when being killed than those pheasants? Or was any less defenseless? Do you think the butcher cried and prayed for the creature who died for our dinner pleasure? I think it’s hypocritical to consume meat mostly of animals bred to be killed and in the same breath condem those who do the hunting and killing themselves instead of taking the comfortable supermarket route. It’s one thing to say one would never participate in hunting – I wouldn’t either – but quite another to sit on the high horse and preach them for being inhumane.
About KAte: I think you’re still stuck in 2007. The last time Kate Middleton was pictured partying was September 17. That was also the last time she was pictured in London. No less than 3 months ago! Before that it was August 18. I can’t even recall the last time she was pictured shopping! So if you want to harp on about her partying and shopping you should at least keep in mind that you are criticising someone who’s been out and about maybe 10 times THIS YEAR! So is it wrong to go out about once a month?
December 14th, 2008 15:26
It is the same people who gripe about her shopping too much that talk about the same boots she always wears. Very hypocritical. Kate uses clothes over and over at least like most of us. I like that about her and I love her boots!!
December 14th, 2008 15:27
I’m a vegan, so I agree with your points ladies about the cruel treatment that animals in slaughterhouses are subjected to. I don’t believe it is right to consume meat at all, but I’ve moved away from pushing those beliefs on people. My concerns are for the ethical treatment of animals prior to consumption, decreased consumption and the banning of hunting. I just find it a cruel practice overall.
Trixie, I didn’t realize it had been so long since Kate’s been out, especially with her being so elusive with the press of late. I’m sure you understood the overall gist of my post though. It certainly appears that there is a lot of work being down behind the scenes in regards to repairing her image in that regards then especially with her lack of public appearances, but I’m sure her being photographed in a position that would indeed be criticized by many people upon ‘re-appearing’ isn’t boding too well for her handlers or advisers, if she has any.. or PW at the least.
Considering that her last little mishap involved her on cellphone while driving. Did the authorities look into that as had been reported? And if so, has she yet issued an apology yet if she was indeed driving?
December 14th, 2008 15:47
I haven’t heard anything about this. I guess there was simply not enough proof for her to be convicted of an offence.
Whom should Kate apologise to? The pap who made thousands of pounds with those pics? Since when do people who commit an offence apologise to the public?
December 14th, 2008 15:53
I was about to ask the same question Trixie. Why should she apologize, she is a private citizen and none of us would ever apologize for being caught driving on our cell phones or for getting a ticket. she could have been calling someone to help her because of all the paparazzi. Maybe it was an emergency. I think it would be hard to convict her of any offense.
December 14th, 2008 15:56
Kate’s a public figure in a very prominent position, so it would be right that she would issue an apology for her reckless actions that could have endangered lives, just like celebrities do literally every single day for their own reckless actions (realizing that they ARE public figures in prominent positions as role models, etc). The counter argument to why she shouldn’t own up to her actions is that she’s a private citizen, and in that case, why are we commenting on anything to do with her?
I guess it can be rehashed when PW proposes to her- we don’t want a reckless consort who doesn’t take responsibility for her actions, and if other publications are to be believed, is only worried about how those photos made her LOOK to the public, do we?
December 14th, 2008 15:58
Definitely I’m assuming she wouldn’t be convicted, because it wouldn’t be enough evidence for there to just be photos. It’s like when Kate Moss got caught on tape with the drugs- no legal action, but she did lose all of her contracts for her actions. And her actions were self harming, and posed no threat to the public in any way at that..
December 14th, 2008 16:13
Issuing an apology would be an admission of guilt. We don’t know the circumstances for her being on her phone. Maybe it was her mother calling her concerned for her safety with the paparazzi staked out in front of her house and following her. She could have briefly answered to let her know everything is okay. She may be Williams girlfriend, but she is still a private citizen until she officially becomes part of the royal family.
December 14th, 2008 16:15
Having gone mano a mano with a huge plate of buffalo wings this afternoon (warning to our BRW overseas posters: no buffalo were actually harmed during the making of this appetiser
)I’m going to have to excuse myself from the vegan debate as I’ve never quite figured out why it’s OK for a salmon to die but not for a bird, etc. I’ll leave the intellectual matters to the intellectuals: this Alsgal’s got some wedding planning to do!
I can see the look of comfort and utter love between these two in the photos — and there is obviously trust as how many people would let someone with a loaded shotgun stand that close?
Like I’ve posted before, nothing would spell R-O-M-A-N-C-E louder than for Kate to find an 8 carat Princess cut will-ya-marry-me diamond stuck up into the orifice of one of those dead birds.
Somehow, I think it’s going to be a very Merry Christmas.:)
December 14th, 2008 16:48
Yes Alsgal, Amen.
December 14th, 2008 16:50
To all those against hunting. You had better hope the economic crisis doesn’t get worse or there will be many more people going back to hunting for food. I believe that that is how our forefathers managed to survive. Go back and read history.
December 14th, 2008 16:54
Yay! I’m just glad they’re together still. So much for poor old dumped Kate. I bet once they marry she’ll shoot less.
December 14th, 2008 16:55
So very true, Grandma828 — and let’s not forget that the Donner Party was no party at all!
December 14th, 2008 17:53
Hi Grandma828 – what you say’s true but we no longer live in the dim dark ages. This is pure bloodsport – ugh…
December 14th, 2008 18:20
You are so right Grandma828,
Times are getting harder and harder and some may have take up the gun as a way to put food on the table! Good for you!
December 14th, 2008 19:17
People who are vegans should really look at the source of the products they eat. Are the farmers that raise them well paid and taken care of? I was raised on a farm and that is hard, backbreaking work. Think about where that rice, wheat, tomatoes, lettuce, etc. are coming from. What about the products that you wear? Someone had to raise and process it. This is modern age, but someone is still doing the work and believe me, not everyone is well off. Think about the big picture, not just one little part of it.
December 14th, 2008 19:52
Speaking of looking at the big picture — in the one posted at the top of this thread, Prince William appears to be taking aim at Kate. Or maybe her hat.
December 14th, 2008 20:01
Kate still being available when William calls, still no proposal or ring. She’ll be discarded for someone he really wants to marry, not just date, when he feels like it. Kate after all these years is still doing the same thing she’s always done, it’s kind of sad to see her eagerness to please, asking no committment in return. Men don’t marry women like this, she’ll never be anymore than girlfriend.
December 14th, 2008 20:19
Oh and the DM piece has been updated. Chelsy was there and the “mystery blonde” was Olivia Perry one of Chely’s friends. Chelsy just choose not to take part in the shoot. Apparently it was raining and she didn’t want to get wet…. or so the article says.
Alsgal I forgot to say a little Amen earlier!! You were spot on the the KM carrying dead birds. I’m not a fan of the whole thing but each too his own I say. I’m just really pleased to see them out and about.
December 14th, 2008 20:21
Maddie
I agree it was never proved one way or another whether Kate was on the phone that day, people just came to their own conclusions.
Kate is a private citizen until she is admitted into the firm..
December 14th, 2008 20:31
Well that’s how you feel puaola but we have no idea if they are already engaged but just haven’t announced it yet. If they are engaged, then it will be announced in it’s due time. I just like the way William & Kate take their time and carry out their courtship in the way they like. They invest their time and energy into it and they don’t seem to care how others think of it. I on the other hand think it’s sad how many bloggers treat this woman but without words, Kate always have the last word, it’s just interesting.
December 14th, 2008 20:33
Thanks for that info JJ.
December 14th, 2008 21:17
Just to remark on the hunting thing again: for those who don’t believe in hunting, that’s your choice. You are free to choose, and so is everyone else.
For those who do like to hunt, it’s a simple fact that as long as you abide by the laws of your country then you’re free to choose what you want to do.
The point I wanted to make to Gia earlier is that I realise that SHE (meaning Gia) feels it’s wrong to hunt, but those are her thoughts and her brain. Just because she feels that way doesn’t make her correct.
Not everyone feels the same way she does. That’s just life. People are entitled to their own thoughts of what’s right and what’s wrong. If they don’t agree with Gia or anyone who dislikes hunting, well so be it.
Gia and everyone else who doesn’t like bloodsports will have to just recognise that we are all able to make up our own minds, and we all have our own personal ethical standards.
Those who dislike bloodsports can’t dictate life to those who like bloodsports, and vice versa.
We can only govern ourselves, we can’t govern others.
December 14th, 2008 21:24
I’m saying all that to say that no one has the right to tell William, Harry and Kate that they can’t hunt. If they’re abiding by the law, that’s all they need to do.
IMO people are way too eager to tell other people how to live their lives, as if they actually know what’s right for someone else.
Yet I’d bet that not one of the people or the journalists who’ve been complaining about Wills and Kate hunting (they seem to have left Harry out of the complaints, even though he was shooting as well) would want to be dictated to the way they’re attempting to dictate to William and Kate.
If the shoe were on the other foot, they’d probably be very indignant and upset that someone had dared to dictate to them and tell them how to live their lives!
December 14th, 2008 21:51
ML, I tend to agree with your opinion. Personally I find the hunting thing to be quite distasteful and I would never participate in the sport. I do however realize that hunting is a part of the history and ancestry of the BRF and since no one is breaking the law, I will keep my opinion to myself. Personally I think some people are using the hunting as an excuse to bash on Kate.
On the issue of all the negative remarks being circulated on the internet about this event, I have one thing to say to those who are so shocked and disgusted by these pictures… I hope none of you are hypocritical enough to make these comments and then sit down to eat your chicken or beef dinner because those too were animals who were killed by humans and maybe in an even more cruel way in that they were raised with the intent to kill. So before we open our mouths to bash the royal hunters, maybe we should close our mouths to our dinner.
December 14th, 2008 22:38
Mapleleaf, your argument is very libertarian, and unfortunately, we live in a democratic society. Yes we shouldn’t try to push our lifestyles on one another, but my personal argument earlier on was that more and more people are opposed to bloodsports (as made evident by the uproar regarding the RF’s hunts a few years ago). At the moment it is legal, but who knows if it will be in the next few years, as the generations change. Younger generations are not as keen on hunting as the older ones are (having been brought up doing such), and it also does seem to be a hobby prevalent in the (perhaps out of touch) aristocrats. I simply believe that the people that PW might one day rule might not be supporters of their hobby, and that perhaps so gleefully partaking in it today might not sit to well with public opinion 5, 10, 15 years down the road.
December 14th, 2008 23:41
“Personally I think some people are using the hunting as an excuse to bash on Kate.”
Lisa I couldn’t agree with you more. You truly recognize that on other royal sites. For some reason, Kate is their focus.
December 14th, 2008 23:54
Oh & I was reading the comments section on the news of the world. One of the readers commented that Kate when she was at Marlborough use to take part in small bore target rifle shooting & that she trains with the national shooting center in Bisley. I have no idea if this is true but for the doubters it sounds as if Kate has a long running history of country pursuits in her family so….
December 15th, 2008 00:14
I wouldn’t be surprised if maple leaf is Kate Middleton or someone close to her. I am not sure why you come on these blog sights when your only purpose seems to convince people to leave Kate alone and to like her. There is no need to project your own thoughts about her on to other people. The rest of the group seems to be honestly concerned with the Prince’s choice in girlfriends. After all, his choices reflect who he is, and I don’t think he is making his country proud. Perhaps this girl is somewhat mentally abusive to him and his confidence is lacking. I wish that he will see that he has nothing to fear by moving on, and that the most important thing is that he is happy. Perhaps, it is a symbol that they are just friends since Harry brought a friend who is a girl. Perhaps, the Prince is communicating something…Prince William needs to be encouraged to be strong and move on. The best evidence is in his eyes and facial expressions every time he is photographed with her…he has definitely gone down hill since their relationship.
December 15th, 2008 00:29
ww
Firstly we all respect each others opinions on here good or bad and even yours. Everyone is allowed to express their opinion. Mapleleaf is respected on here and I see no problem with what she writes.
Secondly Prince Harry didnt bring a female friend along the blonde girl pictures is one of Chelsys friends Olivia Perry and Chelsy was also at Sandringham just not pictured.
December 15th, 2008 01:31
ww,
I am not associated with Kate in any way.
However, I do believe just the opposite of you. Kate has stood by William. She is loyal and smart. I think that he should make a positive move to cement the relationship. I do not see any hint of her abusing William. I am glad that William and she were pictured together. After such a long absence, I thought that they might have chosen to go their seperate ways. Since I think that they are soul mates and in love, I look forward for an engagement announcement and eventual wedding.
December 15th, 2008 01:48
jj,
Thank you very much for your kind words.
WW, I totally disagree with everything you’ve said in your post, but you’re entitled to express yourself and I respect your right to do so. I’m also entitled to express myself, and I will continue to do so.
If I might offer a suggestion: If you disagree with or dislike my comments, please don’t force yourself to read them. Maybe you’ll feel a bit better if you exercised your right to ignore my comments? I won’t mind a bit, and I’ll understand.
December 15th, 2008 02:24
I don’t think William should be concerned with what his country thinks of him.
December 15th, 2008 03:24
Gia, Rina
I totally agree with you guys.
as I said in a previous comment, this is really stupid, and just because it is legal to hunt, it doesnt mean that it is right or ethical to kill animals just for fun. If animals were killed because the royals are starving (which is something that will never happen), then I may not criticize them, but I cant accept the fact that they are committing cruelty just for fun. Just because it is legal, it doesnt make it any cruel at all.
the royals are clearly contradicting themselves. One day they play to be compassionate, and caring people, but next day we see them doing the opposite to what is being compassionate and caring. Just because they are animals doesnt mean that they dont suffer or that they dont have the right to live.
When it comes to KM, as you said, she has no right at all to be hunting because it has never been a tradition for her. She is obviously just shooting to fit in, and it sickens me to see her and the royals with those grins on their faces as if what they were doing was something good. KM is obviously desperate to fit in the royal family. For many years she has had a bad reputation for not doing anything except clubbing, shopping and going on holidays. She has been trying to save her reputation by getting a job with her family, but what she is doing now wont help her at all.
Just feel sorry for her because it looks to me like she has no dignity. William doesnt give her a place in his life and she is still there waiting for him and looking ridiculous before the public eyes.
December 15th, 2008 03:34
apryl
william should be concerned on what his country thinks of him because he will be king and he will work for his people.
By the way, in the link where KM’s brother is pictured, James totally looks like a crazed maniac. Seriously, I wonder whether that guy is in his five senses at all.
December 15th, 2008 05:25
Sonia,
Kate Middleton has the right to do whatever she wants as long as it is legal and it is none of your business or mine. Once again, an excuse to bash someone you do not know.People seriously need to get over it. None of us knows what goes on between them good or bad. To suggest she has no dignity is simply fooolish. BTW do YOU eat meat? How about Chicken? because if you do,they too were killed for your benefit. No difference.really. Just because you did not personally kill the animal does not make you free of responsibility.
Stop using the hunting to attack Kate.
December 15th, 2008 06:14
i thinked royals shooting and hunting deer or birds is their tradition.
December 15th, 2008 07:10
WW,
Your entire posts is so off-base, it actually doesn’t deserve a response. However, your particular comment, “The rest of the group seems to be honestly concerned with the Prince’s choice in girlfriends”, is completely ridiculous. I would venture to say, most people on THIS site are looking forward to a BRITISH ROYAL WEDDING between Kate and William.
December 15th, 2008 07:14
I wonder why the Kate and William hunting story is no longer on the DM main page, this is the kind of story that stays on for a few days………..
December 15th, 2008 07:26
Totally spot on TeaTea. The entire rant is ridiculous.
December 15th, 2008 07:34
For those prasing Chelsy for not going on a hunt and for putting work first. As I assumed she was there but just didn’t want to get wet in the rain…
” Also among the group was William’s brother Harry, accompanied by his girlfriend, Chelsy Davy, and her best friend Olivia Perry.
Chelsy, 23, opted out of the shooting, not because she objects to blood sports but because it was raining and she didn’t want to get wet.”
http://tinyurl.com/5cc9ub
December 15th, 2008 09:16
First off, I am just happy that there was a KM & PW sighting!! Second, I would like to know how all of these bloggers think they know KM and what her family did while she was growing up – how does anyone know weather the Middleton Family hunted or not?? And one more thing, WW – your comments are incredibly cruel.
December 15th, 2008 09:35
Mapleleaf, first and foremost, you haven’t answered my questions. You said that
“Picking on Kate and saying that it’s wrong for her to choose to hunt because she didn’t grow up doing so is both unfair and illogical”
and I asked you where the unfairness is? Where is the illogicality of my view or others who share the same view? Also, explain to me how I am picking on Kate?
Lastly you said this,
“Just because she feels that way doesn’t make her correct.”
I expressed my views and my opinion on hunting and one thing that does make it correct is my right to express my views in a democracy without forcing my views on others.
“Not everyone feels the same way she does. That’s just life. People are entitled to their own thoughts of what’s right and what’s wrong. If they don’t agree with Gia or anyone who dislikes hunting, well so be it.”
Indeed not everyone feels the same way that I do, that’s a fact of life. Not everyone feels the same way that you do either and that is also a fact of life. I am using my rights to express my views and in no way does that infringe on the right of others, their rights and their thoughts of what’s right and what’s wrong. I stand by my words and as you said “well so be it”, I say to you…if you disagree with my views, well so be it. That’s life and I hope you are aware of that.
“Gia and everyone else who doesn’t like bloodsports will have to just recognise that we are all able to make up our own minds, and we all have our own personal ethical standards.”
I and the others who share the same view understand AND recognize that EVERYONE is able to make up their own minds and that EVERYONE has their own personal ethical standard.
That understanding and that recognization, however, doesn’t equal a silent acceptance of disagreeing views.
It’s called democracy, even on the internet.
December 15th, 2008 10:12
HI ALL !!
I NOT BELIEVE IN THIS PHOTOS.
HAVE SOMETHING ERROR AND VERY ERROR.
December 15th, 2008 10:17
Woo hoo, well I’m glad we’ve gotten that all cleared up. Now lets please move on to happy happy stuff, and the really important stuff, like what colour do you think the bridesmaids dresses will be?
I’m a sucker for a pale lemon yellow chiffon gown myself — probably because it reminds me of tapioca, my favorite dessert. That would be a lovely colour next to Kate’s (hopefully) bright white dress — I believe it’s bright white for brunettes, and off white for blondes? Or maybe it’s the other way around.
Also, what about bridesmaids (and please no snarky remarks about Handsome James being forever a bridesmaid, never a bride) — could Pippa be a bridesmaid or is she too old by senior royal wedding standards? They seem to always have little kids or teenagers in attendance.
It would also be neat, if given their love of horse and hound, if the Royal Family might have a pooch serve as ringbearer, thus saving on the cost of a suit for a little boy. We went to a fabulous wedding once where a gorgeous Golden Labrador wore the ring around its neck and walked up the aisle next to the groomsman. Other than a wee bit of poopin’ in the pew, it was a meaningful experience for all.
December 15th, 2008 10:37
I think Kate will wear something that will show off her figure. I don’t think the dress will be too puffy or anything. I think Pippa will be the bridesmaid. Harry will most likely be the bestman. Now just talking about that day, gets me excited.
On another note, I see Charles & Camilla choose a interesting photo for their Christmas Card. I like the other family cards from the past and I often wonder why they don’t do a family Christmas Card anymore? Boy I miss The Prince & Princess of Wales.
http://tinyurl.com/67t786
December 15th, 2008 10:41
Rman, I agree — with Kate’s figure she could wear a potato sack and look fantastic but I just can’t see her in a meringue type dress. Long, sleek and elgant, and please let us brides keep our shoulders and our chachas covered while we’re in a House of Worship.
Thanks for the link. I got a big gulp in my throat looking at the lovely old pictures of Charles and Diana, and thinking about what might have been.
December 15th, 2008 12:13
Yeah I often think the same thing when I see Charles out on engagements. You can just imagine her there with him. Sadly it’s been so long now. I think the public miss that couple and dream of another young royal Prince & Princess to come along.
Yes I think Kate will be elegantly dressed with William in Military Uniform.
December 15th, 2008 12:16
lisa
i am not trying to use the hunting story to bash on KM. In fact, I am bashing not only on her but on all the royals. You say it is legal to hunt, but I will repeat, this is not ethical. As Gia mentioned before, slavery was legal, but it wastn ethical right? KM and the royals have no right to kill animals at all, and when it comes to KM not having dignitiy, it is true, she has no digntiy. PW only uses her only for whenever he needs to, and she is always way too available for him. I was already starting to like her, but after these pictures where I see her with the grin and shooting animals, I have nor respect for her and the royals. KM’s sudden industriouness is just a show off to save her bad reputation. Rman, PW will never marry her, so I dont think that she will ever get to dress a wedding dress to marry PW.
December 15th, 2008 12:22
I just better that the boys are not in the photograph with PC & CPB. I guess it is obvious that those two are each other match as much as that kills me to say!!
Alsgal I think she will end up wearing something similar to Autumn Kelly tasteful but not too revealing. Pippa will definitely be a bridesmaid & Harry will definitely be in the grooms wedding party. The wedding day (if the announcement comes) will be very interesting. I hope Carole Middleton is preparing herself. Her talents are going to get a work out!! I’m keeping my fingers very crossed for boxing day. It’s less than a week away!!
December 15th, 2008 12:29
Just last week a pic of PC&C with some friends at Sandringham, this week a pic of W&K and Harry too, just figure out that the entire Windsor family is over there and have spent in private breakfast, lunch and dinner with some royal girlfriend (s) during the weekends.
December 15th, 2008 12:58
Yeah Me it seem like it was a big pre-Christmas gathering at Sandringham House. I guess you are right JJ, but I just love to reflect on those Prince & Princess of Wales days.
December 15th, 2008 13:39
Right…I won’t be wasting any time reading your comments anyways Mapleleaf. Perhaps, if you guys understood where I am coming from then you wouldn’t find it to be off-base. It is you guys who are confused. Anyways, don’t both writing back…I just came across this site for a study on bloggers. I read some of these insane comments and felt compelled to respond. Do your selves a favor and get a life. It is not healthy to try to vicariously live through your monarchy.
December 15th, 2008 14:14
Wow, WW seams like an angry person – and I dont’ believe you just came across this sight.
December 15th, 2008 14:26
Those kind of comments come from young jeleous girls. There not serious.
December 15th, 2008 14:29
DNFTT
Back to my favorite subject
does anyone know what the traditions are at Sandringham over Christmas? I read that they exchange gifts on December 24th in the evening, but then what? Charades? Followed by cheese fondue and a round of Yahtzee? Do they dress up for dinner or is it more of a Friday casual type thing?
Counting the days until Boxing Day — what a magical Christmas that would be.
December 15th, 2008 14:30
Yes kd there seems to be a lot of angry people, if you don’t hate kate or bash her or believe that she is hanging on to William by her fingernails then they are up in arms….
Very strange…..
I do too Rman I do too. Can you
December 15th, 2008 14:46
WW – don’t be so angry. Believe me, this blog is just about people loving to chat about the RF. Nothing more, nothing less. We are not stalking them (at least I don’t hope so), we all have our own lives, friends, family.
, but we could all have worse hobbies.
I admit, its nothing intellectual
December 15th, 2008 15:04
Alsgal, I assume they eat something they hunted. And I think I have read somewhere that the staff comes at one point to the front door and sings some carols. then the RF will probably enjoy a nice whiskey in front of the fireplace or a nice red wine. I do not think they will celebrate that long in the evening, after all the Queen and her husband are over 80.
And in the morning of the 25th, they will all attend mass.
December 15th, 2008 15:06
Yes I do JJ, now even though I like seeing Charles happy once again and now that he has someone again to share his role, I still imagine Diana there with him. Alsgal, yes they dress up for Christmas Dinner. The ladies dress up in evening gowns with tiara’s and the gentilmen dress in suits with black tie. Prince Philip and The Queen hands out the gifts to family. And The Queen give gifts to the staff. I hear they do play games, have tea, take walks around Sandringham, take lots of napes and often wake up and eat more food. There as been several articals on what they do and the former royal chef Darren McGrady has written some events in his book Eating Royally, which is a great book if you don’t have it. It’s filled with royal recipes that he and other chefs in the royal kitchens has cooked.
December 15th, 2008 15:15
Yeah Chris234, and then after the church service, they go and have Christmas lunch, look on the tele at The Queens Christmas Message. Darren also say that at Christmas lunch, they make paper crowns and wear them at lunch, even the Queen. The Duchess of York is said to be Wood Farm that’s on the estate but somehow I get the feeling that she often join them for lunch or dinner. It use to be Diana’s favorite time with the royals.
December 15th, 2008 15:21
TY Rman, oh does that sound nice although I must say I wouldn’t give up big Al’s Cheese Log Surprise for all the money in the world, along with a mean — and I do mean highly competitive — game of Yahtzee. We used to play nude Twister but Al just doesn’t have the flexibility he once had.
Speaking of flexible, I’ll bet Kate and William will plan to spend the holiday together, but it may be that she said “not until we’re married” like she always does and he said, “OK, I’m fine with that and besides, I’ll bet your Mom does some pretty neat stockings with all the party favors and what not.”
Nice to see Hello! is once again talking about them going “from strength to strength.” It is always reassuring.
December 15th, 2008 15:26
Oooo…Me: I’d be careful not to be too stereotypical if I were you, you never know what people are really like or what they are feeling.
Alsgal: the problem with the “strength to strength” comment is that we have heard it for years and years and years now, even just before they broke up last year the papers and Hello! were saying “strength to strength”. I just can’t take it seriously any more.
December 15th, 2008 15:30
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4110757.stm
Here you go some details about a royal wedding.
December 15th, 2008 15:31
ahh..i meant royal christmas.
Alsgal: you’ve got me thinking about weddings too now! LOL.
December 15th, 2008 15:45
Well B, I think they have moved past that and they do seem to be stronger than ever. We seen that this year. I think they reassured the public taht everything is fine and we are doing great. Harry & Chelsy seem to be stronger too and have moved past their wobble. It’s great to see them in stable relationship instead of being a “player from the Himalaya.” It just give us guys a bad reputation.
December 15th, 2008 15:49
B, I just love to hear about their holiday traditions.
December 15th, 2008 16:14
Alsgal,
Ok, I’ll bite…….what is DNFTT????????
December 15th, 2008 16:44
B
I almost fell out of my chair when I read Royal Wedding
You got me all excited….
December 15th, 2008 17:02
Somehow I don’t a event like that is way off, JJ.
December 15th, 2008 17:20
Whoops! Sorry jj
Well, you know how I feel there, Rman, I think we have a little way to go. I won’t be shocked to my inner core if there is an engagement announcement after Christmas but I think that it is more likely to take place closer to 2010.
December 15th, 2008 17:35
Yeah I know what you mean B, but still not that far off. I think we will start to see her take a bigger role in his life at the moment.
December 15th, 2008 21:21
Wow a site that doesn’t bash the posters or Kate.
Phew, what a pleasant spot to rest awhile.
That other site is filled with hateful posters, who’s agenda is to invent fictious posts, all inflammatory. Very sad place. Do not go there!!!
Engagement 2009! Who’s coming??
I think they will lie low for awhile, continue the media blackout, get on with their lives. And then we will all be able to enjoy a Royal Wedding.
December 15th, 2008 22:10
actually Sophie and Prince Edward stay at Woodfarm now. It’s already been in all the early press reports, They were spotted staying there and will stay there through Christmas holidays.
>The Earl and Countess of Wessex have been staying at nearby Wood Farm in Wolferton. They did not walk into church with the rest of the party but arrived and left at the back door.
The Royal Family have spent Christmas at Sandringham since 1988 and they will be celebrating Christmas and New Year on the Norfolk Estate again this year.
new.edp24.uk
December 15th, 2008 22:16
WW I agree with what you say.
December 15th, 2008 23:09
puaola, The Earl & Countess do not stay at Wood Farm but was staying there for that little time. The Earl & Countess of Wessex live at Bagshot Park in Surrey. There are several cottages at Sandringham. Sometimes the family stay at Wood Farm to relax and go hunting which Prince Edward is known to do. The Duchess of York often stay there during the Holidays. WW, sound very upset over the relationship with W&K. That’s sad that some don’t like to see a happy couple, but that’s tough and that’s life I guess. I don’t think W&K is out to please anyone.
December 15th, 2008 23:24
I’m going to london again this weekend so incase I forget to tell you guys especially my favorites
Rman, Alsgal, Lisa, mapleleaf, trixie, B & even you ked aka john from RA (joke by the way before your knickers get in a twist) HAPPY HOLIDAYS to the Americans and Merry Christmas to the Europeans!!!!
December 15th, 2008 23:45
Off topic,
But does Kate Middleton remind anyone else of Lauren Conrad (from The Hills), appearance wise? For me, she’s her California-ed twin (super tan, blond, etc)!
December 16th, 2008 01:59
Roman It’s been reported Edward and Sophie are staying at Wood Farm for Christmas this year. Everyone knows where they live on a daily basis, at Bagshot Park. The Queen and Pr. Charles live in their repsective homes also on a daiy basis, but go to Sandringham for Christmas.
I’m not fooled by your twisting of where they live and where they spend Christmas, it’s two completely different subjects.
Pr. Edward is staying at Wood Farm with Sophie it’s been reported in several publications already.
WW waw just voicing his or her opinion.
I also don’t think William has any intentions of marrying. He’s young and having a goodtime with a girlfriend. She is nothing more than a girlfriend, there is no proposal , she is no closer to marriage than Chelsy is.
December 16th, 2008 02:28
Okay, jj. Have fun in London. If you hear any gossip let’s know. I miss going to London at the moment, I always loved going outoccasionally to go shopping, then to have a nice lunch etc with some friends. Have a great time. Merry Christmas
I agree that Kate and Chelsy are about as close to marriage as each other. I don’t think anybody could predict what will happen over the next few years.
December 16th, 2008 05:01
WW (Willie Wales??) and Puaola – you are most definitely a match made somewhere. So sorry you don’t have Season’s Greetings towards William and Kate.
December 16th, 2008 07:53
“the problem with the “strength to strength” comment is that we have heard it for years and years and years now, even just before they broke up last year the papers and Hello! were saying “strength to strength”. I just can’t take it seriously any more”
I have to agree there…unless you know Prince William personally, how would you know how strong their relationship is? the answer is, you dont.
I am tired of people/media speculating…
December 16th, 2008 11:28
That is how I feel about a lot of the comments made by journalists, how would they know that? I am sure that some people do have their sources but a statement like “strength to strength” is really only something which the couple would know.
December 16th, 2008 12:27
Of course they are Strength to Strength.
December 16th, 2008 12:56
JJ, have a safe voyage to London and please try to pop in whenever you can, ’cause this Alsgal is thinking come December 26th, there will be some very interesting developments that warrant comment, very happy comment.
Hope I am not being too optimistic, but I believe enough time has lapsed from the Day Glo bad press that we are good to go for a Boxing Day announcement, to be followed by a glorious wedding in the late Spring or Summer.
I just hope it’s 2009, and not 2015.
December 16th, 2008 13:04
Me can you explain that statement please. What do you mean by “of course”?
December 16th, 2008 13:12
IMO, yes of course Prince William and Kate Middleton are going strength to strength. Look where they are today after so much good and bad they and/or the tabloids have put them through and have defeated. I will not discuss or return any other postings in reference to the strength to strength until they decide to make it or break it. If I have to wait, I will wait paciently.
December 16th, 2008 13:28
Me I agree we have to remember they go through a lot by having their relationship out in the media and being the hot topic. Yet they keep going on strong. In reality that’s all you can do, just keep going.
December 16th, 2008 13:51
I will do Alsgal. The champagne is on ice just in case… More than enough time has passed. The press have piped down and although there are still references to the “waity Katey” nonsense I think that will go on until an announcement is made.
There were no references to the day glo or the mobile phone in the recent articles. I am hoping the press were just happy to have any pictures of her they didn’t want to push their luck. It may still be next xmas 2010 for an announcement but we can still hope for next week Friday!
December 17th, 2008 01:38
The Royal family is on holiday for the next couple of weeks. They won’t do any kind of work or make any annoncements. An engagement annnoncement would meen a lot of people having to work and that isn’t done during Christmas. So stop dreaming
December 17th, 2008 02:07
I love, absolutely love, William’s beard. His face looks fuller, more rugged and less of a “baby face”. Too bad the beard has to go. And I must agree with DAGY – there is not going to be any engagement announcement during Christmas. It’s just not done and we should leave it up to William and Kate, not anyone else!!
December 17th, 2008 05:28
If there is to be a wedding this coming spring,they would probably announce it before William begins his training in january. I don’t think the announcement would come at Christmas nor do I think we will know the exact whereabouts of Kate on boxing day. I do think they could announce very early in the month if William is due to start training soon. Then again they could have arranged some sort of break for him in feb if they wanted to announce it then because his presence at events surrounding his engagement would be considered official royal duties,I think. We shall see.
December 17th, 2008 08:11
Hello,
Although it was super to see them together over the weekend I am certain nothing has changed.
Earlier this year there was a noticable change in their relationship and I believe that they are now very good friends. Good friends can be lovers too but I believe that they have now put that stage behind them with a very emotional relationship interupted several times with limited time splits.
The reason behind these splits were I believe very complicated and to do with several things, PW life style, his wandering eye, his obvious ‘at ease’ style in male company with both long term school friends and colleagues and his very obvious reluctance to a life time commitment to KM
However again I believe that the strength of the feeling between PW and KM is very, very strong and has developed from the early sexual infatuation and attraction of a guy for his girl and her for him.
KM by her loyalty and devotion, now has his absolute trust which is essential in a long and life time attraction. However there have been signs that this friendship having existed from late teens into early adulthood may not be THAT which an eternal love affair really needs.
PW has been too easily distracted by pretty faces and by other attractions that KM in her sporty healthy way may not have and it is these distractions that have, I believe , prevented their relationship from developing into a long and loving marriage.
Often most couples would have been happy and satisfied to have reached that level of compatibility but PW with a history of marriage failures behind him and an obvius cautionary warning from HM has probably realised that something is missing.
There really can’t be any other reason for his delaying his final commitment to KM. He is looking for all that KM brings him plus THAT and until he either accepts KM does give it all then he will continue to look but obviously needs KM by his side as the friend, and all that it brings and which he knows that he can’t get elsewhere at present.
It may well be that KM has realised this and is happy with her lot knowing that there is nothing at the end for her but PW’s undying affection with just that hope that he may just settle for what she brings.
For him the stakes are very high, for her happiness in the short term and possible heartbreak over many years especially seeing him marry elsewhere as he must whilst still remaining his devoted subject and friend.
December 17th, 2008 08:56
Ked your holding on to wandering eye and easily distracted by other girls, haven’t seen that happen in more than 1 1/2 years.
Holding on to straws…
December 17th, 2008 09:41
Hi Me,
I was pointing out that some of the past splits were because of the wandering eye.
The one and a half years is definitely debatable but I will not go into that for a personal reason.
The continuing hope of an early engagement by members on here is distracting. Without any other considerations just take the CH statement at the time of PW’s decision to continue in services which categorically gave an earliest time of 18 months.
I have been telling Rman and everyone for a year now that if anything along those lines was to happen it would not be for many months and possibly years.
I can’t see why people don’t accept that just by observing exactly what is happening. Perhaps it would be better if BRW changed its name then perhaps there wouldn’t be the continuing hope against hope of a Royal Wedding.
I as much as anyone would love to see it happen but I am certain that it won’t for quite some time and in that time lots can happen. That is life!
December 17th, 2008 09:55
lisa,
Sorry to post again but reading your post again I am not certain if you are aware of the type of training PW will start in January.
There will be little or no time for leave in Feb , and in fact he will be very lucky to get even a few weeks and even less week ends off during his training.
The commitment is awesome and continuing with heavy loads of off duty course reading and assimilation. If PW has gone into this with a serious attitude then not only is he competing against time but against dedicated RAF officers all striving to stay on course to enhance their careers.
To succeed PW will have to be as good as most of them and will have to show trhat he is as good time and time again.
Lives are at stake as the end result and there cannot be any shortcuts or freebees. It’s hard hard work and distractions will not be allowed or accepted by senior training officers or by other trainees whose own lives may be put at risk by a shortfall by anyone in their crews.
December 17th, 2008 10:02
But we all have different opinions Ked. I for one think they will remain in the boyfriend/girlfriend and under their own time schedule they will make it or break it. It doesn’t have to do with the name of BRW.
I don’t think PW would invite KM if they where just friends. I don’t think KM is so masochist to go under the terms of just friends to save whom ? William the future King. Just fade away and make no picture shows, period. Other then, all the media (broadsheet and tabloid, Rod Stewart live in Paris, France TV) said that Kate Middleton was at Highgrove, plus why do everyone always has to remember everyone all the highprofile royal or with royalty people involved events that Kate went to this year. I feel that we have endless repeated discussions brought up.
December 17th, 2008 10:14
and at Sandringham of all places ! Where its the Monarchy tradition to get family and most immediate “dear” ones together during Christmas season !
Friends go to a cafe, cinema, lunch appointment…non of these last for a weekend but a few hours.
Ked, if your theory is correct on the long run, I’m afraid that Prince William including his Public Relations team will fall into a massive disproval of the UK people. And she will be the sacrificed lamb who will eternaly be doomed as the laughing stalk of Britain’s Golden boy King.
Its as simple as if its over – no show – each to its own – lets not see each other until we are both over it. A picture here and there of them together brings the wrong signal, they do not need to calm the press, the press is not the Monarchy’s boss.
December 17th, 2008 10:31
Ked, alot can be taken from what you have stated. If true, I hope that KM does not waste what’s left of her life waiting for him knowing he does not want her. Being tied to him will make it difficult for her to possibly find another man. Sounds to me that who ever PW marries, will be miserable, because he can’t be true to himself.
December 17th, 2008 10:34
Okay Ked we shall see, lol. We all know that William & Kate is together. People just need to accept that. Of course William & Kate are friends, which is very important in relationships. I do have to accept that people will always find something wrong with this couple. They aren’t convinced that they are in love and still is in love. They took a break from the media for awhile and people began to think there was a wobble or some sort. William & Kate gave us a appearence to let us all know that they are fine and still together and I for one thank them for that. Because after reading other royal blogs, they had the couple going their seperate ways and William off on a romantic search for another woman. But you dare not say that something is wrong with Harry & Chelsy because Harry said something about her in a interview and they hug and kiss in public. Lets just face it, William & Kate are a private couple who show their love for each other differently. Not all couples are the same. The love they have shown us in public is support. Kate being there for him and him wanting her there. But in reality, William & Kate don’t have to convince us, we know they are a couple and going from strength to strength. They always beat the odds.
December 17th, 2008 10:38
I agree with Jade re: the beard.
When the story of PW’s commitment to the SARF was first widely reported, prompting a lot of nonsense vis-a-vis the state of PW’s and KM’s relationship, a “source” within CH made it clear that there would be no engagement announcement for 18 months. This was in the middle of 2008. Therefore, no engagement announcement before the end of 2009. Six months later for wedding, June 2010. This fits with PW”s 18 months training schedule, which should run from January 2009 through June 2010. Note that the “source” did not say that there would be no engagement, but that there would be no announcement.
Also, I agree with Me: assuming that PW and KM have split, or are otherwise not “tied” to each other, it is puzzling to me why PW and KM would deliberately go out and give the paps, whom I am sure they know are sitting there just waiting for them, the photo op of photo ops. If they are staying at Sandringham with a “group of friends”, why no other friends? Just the two of them. Maybe someone has an explanantion.
December 17th, 2008 10:45
That’s what I’m trying to say Me, I don’t believe these two would waste each others time and patients if they were trying to go their seperate ways. They invest so much time and love in their relationship. Kate seem to have accept that she is dating a busy man but he always find time for her just like Harry finds time for Chelsy. We can see Harry & Chelsy are busy at the moment but like William, he put some time aside for his woman. That is what I like about these guys, they know their relationships are important and they don’t play around. I think even though their parents marriage didn’t work, they raised those boys right. Right Gracie, and I don’t think William is like that and I don’t think they could have made it this this far if they wasn’t true to themseleves. Both couples hit a bumb last year but they seem to have gotten past that and has moved on.
December 17th, 2008 10:50
Phoebe, they knew we didn’t have a sighting from them in awhile and they gave us some great pictures. They could have stayed private but they lets us know that everything is going good. It was nice to see them sharing a interest in that sport. I have a feeling that Sandringham will always be their favorite home, other than Balmoral.
December 17th, 2008 10:53
Understand, if the friend theory of various royal watchers who post in blogs is true, William Wales will have the most difficult time in finding ANY girl. Gracie on her above post sumed it up in short quite likely, if this conspiracy of lets make a “show” of friendship is true. Which IMO I don’t believe. They are together, they have their plan and we will see it happen slowly but surely.
December 17th, 2008 11:28
Whilst I am not denying that Kate and William are in love or possibly on the path to matrimony, I do have to question how ked knows William’s private feelings about his affections and dependence to Kate.
Besides, if the worst for them happens and they break up, how could anyone possibly tell that Kate is the One for him (unless you are William lol) or that he MUST have her there.
Again, just questioning how ked could know the deep and private feelings of PW.
December 17th, 2008 11:30
Sorry to double post:
“If they are staying at Sandringham with a “group of friends”, why no other friends? Just the two of them. Maybe someone has an explanantion.”
There was Harry and the other blonde there, I think they can be classified as friends to go shooting with. It is not unusual for 2 girls and 2 boys to all be friends without any romance taking place. However, I still think that they are dating so I’m really just playing devils advocate atm.
December 17th, 2008 11:33
Hello,
I agree with almost everything that has been said above. Yes PW and KM are in love and yes they love being together and yes people ae waiting for them to fall off the edge. I agree with it all.
PW and KM have been lovers ,off and on for 5+ years and that is not being disrespectful just realistic. The intensity of that love does (hate this word but can’t think of another) deteriorate with time but the respect and care that one feel for the other remains and it is a different type of love which is constant and enduring. I have not been in this type of relationship so all I’m relating to is from information and knowledge picked up from friends, books whatever.
Here we have two people who have gone through lots together and apparently are still friends and still want to see one another.
We do not really know the reason but at present there seems to be a restriction of one type or another in progressing to the ultimate.
That is marriage.
It may be their age, it may be their (or one) family , it may be that one or other has a “brain fear” of commitment at present , and it is clearly linked to PW’s personal requirement to do something with his life other than clone his father and wait and wait for a parent to die to get on with the rest of his life. That’s a horrible way to have to look at it but unfortunately for a royal Prince it is a way of life.
PW and/or KM feel that they are unable to commit to marriage at this time for whatever reason. That must be true because it’s what we moan and groan about day after day.
When will that commitment become apparent and what is it that will make it happen. Is it that PW has a brain storm and says “ok that it lets do it ” or is it some constitutional matter that we either don’t know about or are not anxious to admit to knowing about but it must really be when will PW make his mind up.
Going back to an earlier paragraph , love continues but doubts must set in. Obviously some may have set in during the past years when it’s been said that KM has asked for commitment and received a partial answer or a promis that’s not been kept. We don’t really know.
What we can say is that on day to day basis the more days nothing is decided makes the possibility of that decision never being made or perhaps, as with PC, made too late.
That is what I’m trying to get across and accept that there is a long wait ahead and it will be interesting to see how many of us are still posting when it happens. Yes it could very easily be as long away as that.
December 17th, 2008 11:40
Me, I agree with you.
I like to look at things the way they are, not the way they could be or might be; that always seems to work better for me.
For instance, if we take the photos we’ve seen of Wills and Kate at face value, then they’re together as a couple.
It would not be very logical for William and Kate to end their relationship and then turn right around and decide to be together at Sandringham during the Christmas holidays.
If I’m not mistaken, William’s entire family is currently at Sandringham. They may be in different residences on the estate, but they’re all there. Wills had a shooting party in which all of his friends were present, and so was Kate; the photos are on BrunoPress and other places for all of us to see.
Christmas time is traditionally spent being close to family and loved ones and creating new memories.
If they are no longer in love and no longer together, it wouldn’t make much sense for William to spend this type of quality time together with Kate. He would be unnecessarily bringing her around his family, and could possibly even cause her emotional pain in such a situation.
That type of situation, where a woman was the number 1 person for 5 years and now she’s nothing at all, would be very uncomfortable for most women, and possibly damaging to the ego and psyche besides.
Just imagine the sheer awkwardness of such a situation for ANY woman: you’ve been his girlfriend with all of the attendant “girlfriend privileges” for 5 years, and now you’re nothing more than a friend?!
There’s an entirely different dynamic to the relationship when you’re a friend than when you’re a girlfriend.
To go from being a girlfriend of 5 years to nothing more than a friend is actually similar to a divorce in some ways. It would be almost impossible for most women to go from being a girlfriend to “just a friend” right away. It takes a reasonable amount of time to make the adjustment, especially if you’re in love with the guy and you didn’t want to end the relationship in the first place.
Being around a man you love and his family, and you’re no longer his girlfriend, is just NOT a fun situation. Maybe after 6 months of adjustment Kate could do that easily and be comfortable in such a situation, but I would think it’s unlikely she would be able to adjust completely in only 1 month, especially considering it’s Christmas time.
And just 1 month ago Kate spent the night at Highgrove for Charles’ 60th birthday party. Now during the Christmas season she’s at Sandringham once again.
IMO the most reasonable and practical explanation is what makes the most sense, and I’ve learned that most of the time, the most practical and reasonable explanation is usually the correct one: that they are still dating relationship, and they’re just spending quality time together during the Christmas holiday season like they usually do.
December 17th, 2008 11:43
I try to play that in my mind but it just doesn’t work for me B. I just see them enduring against all odds (meaning the 24/7 scrutiny).
December 17th, 2008 12:00
Do you mean my second comment which was a reply to someone elses?
I think that they are together currently, but I cannot see them enduring it all because they have been ONOFF in the past and could do the same again (I know they have not split up recently but there have been reports of them on the rocks or nearly breaking up). To me it is 50:50.
Honestly, I do not believe that you can tell what a couple is feeling just from a photo. We can speculate but at the end of the day, none of us can tell what William or Kate are feeling so none of us can say “Yes they will marry”or “No they cannot”. That’s why I am so neutral/on the fence about the whole thing.
December 17th, 2008 12:08
mapleleaf , me,
Again I agree with you and what you say.
But we have to get away from this “engagement coming” syndrome.
An engagement may come in a few years time if boh PW and KM still feel that they are committed enough to marriage to one another.
If it was imminent it would have happened.
It has not happened so it is now a good few years off because of circumstance and possibly someone’s state of mind and as we have seen often in our lives too much prevarication can lead to a non event.
With Royalty there is a fiancee and that is paramount, then there is a) a friend, b) a good friend c) a girlfriend and d) a Girlfriend.
a,b,c,d are all at and on the same lower level make no mistake about it. Some friends receive more than other friends but a fiancee is a fiancee and there is a enormous gap between them.
December 17th, 2008 12:11
Ked the thing is I dont think ML and Me have the engagement syndrom. I have always said that W&K will make it or break it under their own time schedule.
December 17th, 2008 12:12
I understand you now ked!
And I agree. I also feel that no engagement is coming. Both you and I have been saying this for months. I remember at the beginning of 08, we were both saying that it would be closer to 2010 before an engagement will be announced and I still believe that we are correct.
But we will wait and see.
December 17th, 2008 12:16
What I have seen is many posters think (not me, but I have read it in this words or similar words) that PW had to engage if he loved her and since not engaged, then he is using her. That may very well be an engagement syndrom.
December 17th, 2008 12:37
No I don’t think that is the case at all. I have always felt that an engagement (to anyone) would take place in 2010 or later.
Perhaps some people cannot understand why 2 people would date for so longer and not worry about marriage but then there are many different cultures, so what is normal or fine to one culture may not be for another.
The engagement syndrome is when people are constantly thinking that they will get married in the summer, then that summer pasts and they say that they will get married next summer etc. I think it is those people who felt that there was going to be a wedding in 2007, then in 2008, and now in 2009. Is that what you meant ked?
December 17th, 2008 12:40
Me,
Sorry I didn’t want to imply either you or ML had the engagement syndrome. I was just posting in response to your posts.
Sorry again.
I do however think that there is an extremely strong attraction between PW and KM but he does have the added load of historical failures behind him.
I am still of the opinion that he has this burden because HM and possibly other senior royals are worried because of the reported reasons for the April 2007 split and this worry remains in his mind and prevents him thinking logically.
December 17th, 2008 12:45
B,
I think that you have put it very succinctly and basically correctly.
There are many stories of cancelled dates, arrangements etc, but there is one very clear happening.
KM very reluctantly (because of the attacks on her and her family) made up with PW in the summer of 2007 and I understand that he had to work very hard at it.
What was promised or arranged between them remains between them but KM would have to be very naive to have made up without a specific arrangement or agreement.
December 17th, 2008 13:08
I agree, I just see a couple that is taking this one day at a time and not rushing anything. I’m sure they have discussed their future and will decide when that time is right. I have no doubt though that soon or later we will be calling them the Prince & Princess.
December 17th, 2008 13:16
Hi Rman,
I too hope so but do you think we shall be on here to see/hear it because it’s going to be along time and it will be in their favour if they remain friends during that time.
If their relationship is too intense during that waiting period then that is dangerous because of the time they will spend apart and the frustration they will feel.
It would almost be better if they remain friends from now and start a new relationship when either feels the time is right.
Who’d be a Prince?
December 17th, 2008 13:18
I think what they agreed upon in 2007 was that KM could move into CH and was again invited to special (=prestigious) events. That was already a big step for them, a big commitment from PW’s side. I do not think he promised her marriage or anything at that time, because you do not say: “I will marry you in several years, if we are still together then ” – that would not give her any assurance. Any engagement is only worth it when it is public.
I also think there won’t be any ring under the tree this Boxing Day. I think he wants to finish first his basic training, or at least be close to finishing it. Perhaps Christmas 2009.
December 17th, 2008 13:23
Although I would love scratch that be overjoyed for KM & PW to get engaged this christmas I think it may actuallyl occur next christmas. BUT the question which comes to mind is the same one which I think Alsgal raised… what difference does it make if it is this year or next year? At the end of his training he will still have to enter into full time work. He will still be working from remote locations??? It’s not as if he has to really be involved in any of the planning anyway that will all be left up to whoever is in charge of it. Himself and Kate will literally have to pick their clothes to wear on the big day (and he probably wouldn’t even have to do that if he didn’t want to) and show up. Everything else is taken care of?? So why wait??? If he is not ready for marriage then that is a whole different ball game. & althought I think they are fine right now if that was the case I would tell her to RUN!
December 17th, 2008 13:30
jj,
And that could happen if one interprets Mrs M’s reported comments in a certain way and KM is reportedly very fast on the track.
December 17th, 2008 13:36
Would you guys mind, if I popped in here? I was looking at other so called “royal forum”, and I could not believe what some of them were saying about KM and her family. There is no way I’ll join them in their childish discussion.
But it’s so good to find you guys here.
Ked (Mr?),
I understand what you are saying. For sometime I thought KM and P William are just good friends. Just like you , I maybe right but I could be wrong. I wish both of them the best though, whatever happens.
December 17th, 2008 13:42
Perhaps not, Ked. Every couple is different.
My (now) husband and I were separated a lot during our 6th year – due to work we lived for a while on different continents – and in 14 months we spent only 2 months in the same town. It was then my (then) boyfriend decided to propose to me, because the separation made it clear to us that we belonged together.
Might be the same case for KM and PW – and perhaps there will be a happy ending too.
Well – the odds are 50:50, as B already stated.
December 17th, 2008 13:51
I think PW wants to have the feeling that he has accomplished a few things before he starts his own family. And this is something I can very well understand.
December 17th, 2008 13:53
Ked I just added him as Prince with her as Princess. I think William is taking her on this journey with him. It’s going to be tough and they know that but just like before Kate has supported him though his other training and she will be there for the rest. I have a deep feeling that they have discussed this so now everything is fine. I don’t think he is that kind of character to continue dragging her along. Even though he will be away, I’m sure they are going through this together. He must feel good to have her with him and supporting him.
December 17th, 2008 14:12
i agree with me- whatever they want to do with their relationship, they’ll do on their time, and with their rules. we all know that romantic relationships aren’t black and white, there’s so many dimensions to being in one than just being in love etc.
looking at their relationship (at least what is known publicly), and for what it is worth, i see a relationship that is so common amongst people in their 20s, or having gone to school together etc… anecdotally, and for what it is worth, i’ve been in a relationship for four years with someone i went to school with, and we’re onff as well (1-2 short break ups every year). the problem with being with someone for so long is that (esp. growing up wiht them in those pivotal years from teenagedom to 20-something) is that they become your closest friend, and you depend on them emotionally for support, not to mention just being very comfortable around them because they’re so familiar. three or four years down the lane, you might realize that you really deeply love the person, but also realize that you’re not IN love with them.. most people might end it there, but it’s hard because you might not be strong enough to let go of that friendship and support base, and the familiarity.
and with that kind of relationship, while you’re content to be with someone that you love and know is loyal to you etc, you might also realize that you are waiting, not committing completely because at the same time if something ‘better’ came along (following along our cultural notions of love at first sight, etc), that you would at that point pursue that.
it’s a common relationship and i see a lot of that in kate and william, as i do amongst my peers in school here, myself even, and have studied these kind of relationships with the psychology department at my university.
i’m not claiming that this IS how they feel about each other- i really can’t say since i’m not bugging their teapots like the russians, and i’m not going to say that we don’t know either way so it must be (that would be ignorant), but i do believe that it COULD very well be this way. just a theory on my part that COULD explain stuff.
but like everyone else has mentioned, we’ll just have to wait and see!
ps. i find it very sexist that the public will perceive william to be cruel and using kate if he dumps her now etc, and doesn’t marry her (ie. that ‘advice’ that prince philip apparently gave him last year about dithering)… it takes two to tango, and we’re in the millennium! kate is just as responsible for their relationship as william is, and more responsible for her own prospects in life than william is.
December 17th, 2008 14:27
Yeah I have read some of those comments on other royal blogs and they way they talk about Kate is sickning to me. Everynow and them someone would say something nice and right but the others, wow. But what can you say, you can’t please everybody and I don’t William & Kate is out to please everyone. William & Kate is just taking their time.
December 17th, 2008 14:28
just visiting . Yes.
Chris,Rman
Yes and Yes but as it will be hard on them I hope in five years or so we will all be happy for them.
There are many pointers that mystify me, one in particular. About twelve months ago CH came out with the statement that after his Army service PW would start learning the job of being a King.
He would spend time in the Foreign Office and other government departments then he would take instruction from ,I think, Mr Major on the workings of the PM’s office and so on with other Privy Councillors.
Suddenly it was no longer important to learn about ‘Kingship’ with the above experts because that would come naturally but he would better serve his career by going into the S and R service . How ?
Then the stories came out of his ‘misleading’ (telling porkies) his training officers , even his CO and misusing helicopters for which the normal punishment is decided by courts martial. A career move like that could lead to ‘ dismissed the service’ not selection to an elite service like S and R.
Then the inference that he was either running away from KM or he didn’t like the idea of ‘ribbon cutting’ so seven years or so in helicopters seemed a good option and obviously superb training for Orb carrying, sceptre twirling and crown balancing.
Then there is the danger aspect in the job. Will he take the normal rota of duties or will he be removed if the fog comes down in Snowdonia?
Will he do those low level flights across the Grampians ? Who’d be the roster officer allocating duties if anything happened as military helicopters have a bigger than average crash rate.
Difficult isn’t it and so important replacing those Whitehall duties but it sometimes looks as if a left hand doen’t always know what the right hand is doing.
December 17th, 2008 15:11
Ked I think there’s a catch somewhere with all of this. Perhaps a good catch.
December 17th, 2008 15:27
Ked, so do you know if KM sees anyone else besides PW? I mean if he doesn’t put all his eggs in one basket, then why should she? Do you think CM comments to the Telegraph is what prompted the photo op at Sandringham?
December 17th, 2008 15:57
Gracie, It really seem like they have a plan and they are sticking to it. I’m glad Ked brung all of that up because I think there’s a catch to it all. But in all, I don’t think William would steer Kate wrong. I often wish they could on with it already but we must remain patient. Gracie I think that photo op was planned because I get the feeling they knew that the paps was around. Somehow a indication that everything is fine.
December 17th, 2008 16:08
Ked,
yes, there are some irregularities, but as I do not know all the facts, I do not expect to have an explanation for everything.
Rina,
I absolutely agree with you. I think they make a lovely couple, but I do not see that PW is obliged to marry KM just because they were together for such a long time. That is ridiculous and last century thinking. If in 2 years time he should decide to leave her anyway, well – sorry Kate, tough luck. I know this sounds harsh, but that’s the way it is. She is responsible for that relationship as well.
December 17th, 2008 16:37
Rman,
It is almost twelve months to the last “shoot” photographs at Windsor.
I think paps know that they’ll be at one or the other and cover both and were lucky.
As last year the pictures seemed slightly posed especially as an experienced shot like PW would never shoot over anothers head even on an unscheduled rather than organised shoot.
There is something unusual though when you think about it, why would PH allow himself to be photographed with another girl even if Chelsy was at the farm. He wouldn’t want to give rise to any speculation , would he ?. Odd?
Wonder who she was , any clues
gracie,
KM usually has one of PW’s friends (Guy or Thomas usually) in attendance whenever I’ve seen her out except for the ’super spy’ ex from school days and the PW look alike at the Oxford Garden Centre.
As a matter of interest did that guy die recently ?
But the world, London to Dublin is a big place.
December 17th, 2008 16:59
Hi Rman,
phew I thought maybe it’s only me who sort of got shocked over what I read regarding Kate/Middleton family in other forum. There are a lot of jealous people around I guess!
again glad to have found this forum
Ked,
I hear you…
December 17th, 2008 17:21
Ked that girl was said to be Olivia, a friend of Chelsy’s. I don’t think Harry was thinking well maybe I shouldn’t be photographed with this girl but that she was just a friend with them for the shoot. Ked, no that was not Kate’s friend that died but another guy who looked like William. just visiting, the things they say is insane but I think some of them have been nipping at the cooking sherry.
December 17th, 2008 18:20
Perhaps the abrupt change in PW’s plans was precipitated by KM’s cold feet.
December 17th, 2008 18:22
Yes Olivia Perry AKA Bubbles is one of Chelsy’s good friends. She has been pictured with Chelsy a lot so no mystery there.
Rman I agree some people have been taking a swig of cherry alright!
December 17th, 2008 18:56
Just Visiting, we welcome one and all here
I just wish it wasn’t so hard to read the tea leaves right now. Based on the evidence, we could say they’ve broken up and remain very good friends Kanga/Camilla style. (I should say pre-sepsis in Kanga’s case.)
Or we could also say they are very much together, and just choose to show the physical heat of George, Sr. and Barbara Bush. That’s not always a bad thing, as many passionate affairs played out in the public eye are like but shooting stars, shining brightly before ever so suddenly burning out.
I would hope an announcement comes in time to add a very special pep to our Yuletide carol, but if that is not the case, I fail to see why an engagement announced in February or March (of 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, or 2013) would be any less logical.
December 17th, 2008 19:16
alsgal there are as many possible scenarios as there are colors in the rainbow. One is that they simply will wait as long as they can before marrying because neither of them wants to be thrust into the public duty thing just yet. Another is that the economy is playing a part in the decision to throw the party of the century that would surely carry a huge pricetag. They are obviously still a couple in the biblical sense
and IMO will marry in due course. The burning question is when. ITA with your statement that announcing the engagement this year of next really makes no difference so I would have to surmise that if they choose to put it off that it is a mutual decision and for their own reason. I believe that a spring wedding is till possible.:)
December 17th, 2008 19:28
Hello
Ked:
you said this about Prince William “his obvious ‘at ease’ style in male company with both long term school friends and colleagues”
I wonder what you mean by “at ease in male company” what are you suggesting?
December 17th, 2008 19:38
The future bride of William Arthur Philip Louis is accepted by the owner of Sandringham Estate, the Norfolk retreat of HM The Queen.
December 17th, 2008 20:07
I agree Lisa & Alsgal, I hope next year will bring lots of joy and happiness. Me, you got that right.
December 17th, 2008 20:16
Just passing through to wish everyone the Happiest of Holidays!!!
I’ll be come back later…. to do the “I told you so” dance.
-Karagiosis
December 17th, 2008 20:41
I enjoy shadow theater during summer not winter. Your food was not delivered on time.
December 17th, 2008 20:43
Sure do visit again,Karagiosis. please remember to give our best to those close personal friends Will and Kate and your buddies at the Internet Forum.
December 17th, 2008 20:48
Ked, the “spy guy” Willem Marx, did something happen to him? I have not heard about it!
December 17th, 2008 20:51
Ked, the other post said the girl was Laura Stoughton. I think I mispelled her last name, though. If she is a potential mate, she is not as attractive as either CD or KM. I would think the boys could find someone who is beautiful and titled to suit the needs of the Firm.
December 17th, 2008 20:51
No Gracie, the guy Ked is talking about was another guy that looked like William. It was in the press that he died. Not Willem Marx.
December 17th, 2008 21:08
Thanks, Rman that’s what I thought too. Guess Ked confused the two.
December 17th, 2008 21:39
visitor,
Nothing untoward I assure you.
I have seen PW at Rugby matches and he was completely at ease with the guys very relaxed , cheerful and smiling with lots of banter. He was also very easy when with some friends and some of his RAF coleagues whilst surfing in Cornwal.
He is obviously attracted to girls and does eye them up in Company but is slightly diffident and usually sends in one of the troops to make initial forays. Guy Pelley is usually the principal gun dog but on a one to one PW is usually confident.
Nice chatting to you visitor, stick around.
December 17th, 2008 22:31
Personally, I think the blond is Laura Fellowes, their cousin.
December 18th, 2008 00:03
I get the feeling that William is becoming more and more like his father, in regards to commitment, relationships and marriage. I have great respect for Prince Charles but he was, as his father said, a ditherer right up until he married Camilla. William is following right in his footsteps and that is either a good or bad thing. I feel William is just being supercareful because he is terrified of going thru a divorce like Charles, Andrew and Anne have done. Let’s face it – the Royals don’t have a great track record when it comes to marriage.
December 18th, 2008 01:46
Jade I agree. I think both William & Kate are careful and just taking it one day at a time no matter if they have been dating for a long time. The weight of the future Monarchy is on his shoulders. Even though Charles will make a great King, I think The Queen is counting on him to help pull The Monarchy through the years ahead. I think he and Kate will make a great team.
December 18th, 2008 01:54
The fact that he is dithering (if he actually is) could be down to 2 things, so you can take your pick really:
1) He has not found the woman he loves/ is unsure whether Kate is the woman he loves and does not want to settle for second best just in case the marriage goes pear shaped. Which I personally believe is very mature as people should not rush into marriage.
2) He and Kate are not ready to marry each other as he wants to do some work i.e. SAR, first.
December 18th, 2008 11:42
Alsgal, very kind, thank you.
December 18th, 2008 17:16
Hello
Ked
thanks for the reply and the welcome