Kate Middleton might not have a ring on her finger yet, but she did get a very special 27th birthday present – a visit from her dashing Prince at her family home.
Determined that her birthday should be a low-key affair, Kate decided to stay at home with her parents and asked 26-year-old Prince William to join her for a private celebratory dinner party with her father Michael, mother Carole, younger sister Pippa, 24, and brother James, 21.
It is the first time the Prince has actually been seen at the Middletons’ house in Bucklebury, Berkshire, though he has stayed there several times secretly. He drove to the Middletons in his black Audi shortly before 9pm on Friday and stayed the night with his girlfriend of six years.
A source said: ‘William stayed over and left at about 12.30pm. His three security officers stayed down the road, so William could be on his own with Kate and her family.’
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It looks like a beautiful home. Looks like Kate had a great birthday.
Perhaps William was asking her parent’s permission? Just a thought…
What was william was asking for a permission?for whose parent
Kate’s parents – permission to marry their daughter.
Prince William would do the decent/old fashioned thing and ask wouldn’t he?
Wooo what a lovely house
I’ve been to the location where she lives (I live in berkshire) It’s very green and well, just a lovely place to be.
I believe that he would, at least his cousin did ask Mr Kelly’s permission to marry Autumn.
Yes, Berkshire is very beautiful. I do love the south east myself.
Good Morning Steven, and what a lovely thought! Although I do believe that William and Kate’s plans have been in place a while now, it is nice to think that maybe they will share those plan with us soon.
That’s just what I think Lisa, they will share it with us when they want to.
Rman if the puppy story is true,I wonder of they are setting up house somewhere near the base that Wills will be training on?
I am starting to think these two are as smart as foxes. I don’t think either one of them wants the stuff that comes along with being married royals and William found the perfect out for both of them. Tie himself up for years in the RAF and he and Kate can live like normal people during that time. Until of course her biological clock starts to tick….
Yeah even if they got married while he is in the RAF, they will have some duties but will have a normal life before becoming full time royals. Yeah they are smart and I think they sat down and figured some things out. Seem like Harry & Chelsy has done the same thing.
One final thought…someone on another forum brought up a very good point. William parking his car at Kate’s house on her birthday knowing full well that the paps would be there may have been his way of clarifying things without words. They let us know they went to Scotland,he let us know he stayed the night on her birthday. Enough said without saying anything. Very smart of him. As if to say,” No we are not getting married at this time bu this is the person in my life”…smart move,really.
Sir David services are going to be needed to sort out this PH mess. I suppose that is why he was asked by the Queen at this particular time? I have to admit all these games are getting old. I just find it interesting that the Telegraph never pick up on the KM and PW country cabin engagement. Life would be so much easier for PW if he would just release a statement about his and KM relationship. He won’t do that cause his PR are too worried about his image. Then the PH video leaks out at the same time PW is suppose to announce the engagement heard round the world. Seems fishy! Well, atleast the press is not harping on the engagement now. I’m sure PW is relieved as his PR people. I don’t think the RF can handle much more coming out of their closets before they have destroyed the monarchy w/their own hands. JMO.
I think the press is getting that it will happen when it happens. Something is up though and we probably know in due time because all of this is getting interesting, if you ask me. This new team may be working on this along with other things. Lisa, I agree William is sending his signals loud and clear that Kate is important in his life.
That is a very nice thought BRW!!!! I didn’t even think of that.
As for PH I don’t know what to say really. I’m just very disappointed. Although he may have meant it in a joking way it has always had a racially motivated connotation and it is unwise to throw things like that around.
I was actually disgusted to look on RA. Why I still look I have no idea because I want to throw up literally every time I do. John or whoever he is disgusts me. Not only did he excuse what PH said but said that the officer should really basically suck it up or should be in the army.
He also said that Kate should “put herself out there & hope for a few takers*, as if she is some sort of brood mare. Ugh. That man makes me sick. He is really foul. I am so happy that I come to this website….
Lisa: I have been waiting all day for someone to say that he has allowed the photo to be taken and it shows that their relationship is going further. That statement is said by someone every time there is a photo of either of them. He has stayed there before and where else would he park? The only reason that he was photographed, or rather the car was, was because it was Kate’s birthday and the press knew or guessed that she would be there. He has stayed over night before over the past 5 years, just because a pic was taken why does this have to be a public declaration of love?
B, we are just saying that he lets it be known loud and clear because some just don’t believe it and ignore it, that’s all. JJ, you are funny but I know what you mean.
This may be off subject but I just had to say something about her. The Queen looks funny while on a shoot at Sandringham but she truly know how to keep warm. Nothing stops this lady, lol. A true country woman at heart.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1111609/Queens-hat-trick-cold-mercury-plunges-5C.html
Hello,
Zurich to NY, NY to LOndon 32 hours.
Heavy snow in Ohio so diverted back home.
Tired out, bored stiff, goinbg to bed.
Post soon.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/79423/Is-this-the-end-of-Waity-for-Katie-
another article with a different angle – similar theme to some of the things ked has been saying
Ked
just curious, what kind of job do you have that makes you travel a lot?
H, like the article and true does sound like what Ked has said. It seems that if PW wants to have a happy life, he will have to fight for it. I hope he is starting to realise that now, but what will he do about it? I think PH video might be an out for him as far as the Army goes. He made the tape so I would assume its in his possesion. So someone close to him had to leak it to press. Maybe he and Chelsy will marry sooner than most thought?
I think guys that a announcement is coming because things has changed fast and we have seen William & Kate become more closer than ever and this team seem to be getting down to work. I think the pieces are falling together now.
Going back to the Daily Mail article alot of people are reading it as a positive message that their relationship is strong. But in my opinion I’m not sure that it shows that.
Yes it shows that they have some kind of relationship; but Kate is his long term girlfriend – and yet he only turns up at about 9pm on her birthday – this is rather late if you are invited to dinner IMO & then he leaves at lunch time the next day. I would have thought that if this is the last weekend that they have before PW starts training that any close couple would want to spend the w/e together??
I think that Kate, just as her mother is supposed to have said, is in a very difficult position. Yes, she may be happy not to get married yet but most “normal” couples of 26 / 27 years of age & who had been going out together for so long, would probably be living together. So even if work commitments separated them mid week, their home is still together & they would see each other at weekends. Kate has spent the last year living with her parents & it looks likely that this will continue for another 18 months at least – with sporadic visits to her boyfriend & hiding away from the media. I am sure that this can not be her preference as a way to live.
The thing that I don’t get is why “they” raised the profile of the couple this Xmas / New Year? PW & KM have managed to travel around un-noticed for months now & yet over the last 2-3 weeks we have had several visible outings & in particular the Birkhall visit which definitely felt like it was leaked (as some of details eg. like the length of the trip, proved to be accurate). Originally I thought that it must be because an engagement was imminent, but now that is extremely unlikely. So if that is not the reason, why do it?
I would love this to have a happy ending but I’m really not sure ….
jj,I have some hunches as to why John at RA has become so bitter over Kate. There is an ax to grind there for sure and it may have to do with him putting to much information out there at some point that resulted in the threat of legal action. It was such an about face,IMO. Or it could simply be that all the flatware is not in the drawer
Although the article in the DE was written intelligently at times,I have a hard time grasping the overall concept that Charles wou I felld be threatened by Kate. I think it is more an issue of neither William or Kate wanting to take on royal duties at this time and possibly the fear of what backlash an expensive wedding might cause. Like it or not,however,the author of that piece bring up some good points that some people,particularly the anti Kater’s out there will not want to face. The Diana comparison. The “new” Diana. yes,she will be the New Diana to the press. She already is,really. With her future title “Princess of Wales”, how could anyone escape the inevitable comparison. I feel for her.
Whatever the destination,the wheels on the bus are turning and it is going to be quite a ride.
H, just by the tone of that artical you can tell that the door just opened for Kate and William got something up his sleeve.
Now I agree with that Lisa. I don’t believe that Charles actually feels that way and I don’t believe he would do that to his sons happiness. Diana brought something to the royal family that we haven’t seen since The Queen was in her hay day. The Queen was young and beautiful, she married a handsome fellow and the future of the Monarchy looked bright after the war. Diana’s marriage to Charles did the same thing but now all of that is gone and the ones that can bring that back is William & Kate so I can understand if Charles feels a little pushed to aside but with this new change that William & Harry have with their own office and team, I think just like the artical said, Kate will finally get rid of that “Waity Katie” name. Princess Catherine will soon be her name.
Yes Roman, I would hope so, otherwise life would be very grim for Kate if she is left in the “will he / wouldn’t he” state for another 18 months.
Lisa, I agree about PW – I think that he is un-comfortable about his future role in life and being a full time working royal. He also appears to be rebelling against CH / BP officials. One example that comes to mind is Kate’s attendance at the wings ceremony. Originally it was said that Kate wouldn’t be attending as they wanted to keep her low profile & then a couple of days before (as we found out later) PW said why couldn’t his girlfriend attend when other girlfriends were attending & she was invited at the last minute.
The real question is, is it only about entering full time royal duties that he is un-comfortable with or marriage as well??
H, it’s like we have been saying before that the couples appearences lately seem to be fishy and you get the feeling that they are up something. Kate was just up at Birkhall and now William was at her house. To celebrate her birthday yes but somehow I get the feeling that girl got that ring or is getting it. I can understand how William may seem alittle nervous about marriage after he seen what his parents went through but he has to follow his heart when he gets married and just learn from the mistakes that was made. You have to keep going forward and pray that God will lead you through it.
H,Rman…I think William’s pause,if you will has more to do with putting Kate out there once they are married then it has to do with a fear of marriage. If you want to be blunt about it,Kate and William have been together for at least 6 years. They have lived together,vacationed together,seen each other’s bad moods and know by now all the things that annoy them about one another. There will be very few surprises on their wedding night (sorry Wills
) The one thing that does change is that Kate is no longer Kate Middleton,British girl from Berkshire who is dating Prince William. She is HRH Princess Catherine of Wales. I think William has tried to hide her or shield her from that life as long as he can partially because he saw what it did to his mother and how in the end it contributed to her death. I think William knows Kate is the one and has know this for a long time. I think it is just a matter of how he wants to be able to make things better for her and I think we are beginning to see this come together.
I can see where PC would feel the marriage of PW to KM might cause issues for himself and Camilla. He has waited his whole life to be King and has been groomed for it since birth as PW has too. Some polls suggest that people would rather see PW become King and PC step down. I don’t see this happening, but the threat is there. KM and PW union will no doubt cast a shadow on what PC wants acceptance as King and Camilla Queen. I think he would prefer that PW waits to marry once PC in King. IMO.
What better way to get the press off PH, announce an engagement between PW and KM!
Lisa I could agree more. That’s why I said that this new team at St. James’s Palace must be getting down to work. It was kind of odd not to see a statement from CH on the Harry issue but from their own office. I think Obama has let it be known that change has got to happen in order for us to have a better future and I think this new change will do wonders for Kate. I think this is why the media was getting excited, not just because her birthday but because they know he life will change forever. William knows this too so I think he is going to do everything he can to protect her and I think this team will help her in the transition. Between this and his training, this couple has a lot to look forward to.
gracie,that all may be true but the simple fact remains,Charles in the heir and unless he predeceases HM,he will be King. Camilla’s acceptance is another thing altogether. Has it been said what Camilla’s title will be once Charles is crowned? Is she automatically Queen or was this addressed before the marriage?
The truth is that Charles cannot stop the progression of time or the events that will inevitably occur. William will marry. He will likely marry Kate and he will likely do so(god willing) before Charles becomes King.
Charles is an intelligent man who I feel loves his sons. I don’t see him standing in William’s way when it comes to his happiness and his marriage.
H, I think this “showing” of PW as a couple could be many things. It could be like the DE article suggested PW new freedom from under his father, a ploy to detract from PH video situation, preparing for an engagement announcement or some image repair for the Midds and KM as well as PW, so when it’s over he does not look like a cad again for the relationship fading out. What’s known is that was PW plates leaving her home and someone said on the other site that the Range Rover plates belonged to BP, HM protection. I don’t get what importance that plays in it, perhaps they brought the ring over? Who knows? I do wish we had seen a photo of him in the car though. Of course the windows were fogged!
Gracie, I think Charles need to understand that the media and public wants to see a young couple to brighten the Monarchy but Charles will make a great King and I think for now William be a great Prince of Wales. But those titles seem to be long into the future because The Queen is not going anywhere anytime soon and it would be totally unfair to William & Kate to wait that long. Even if they don’t announce it yet, this year seem to be the year for it. But I think something is coming.
One thing to consider regarding those vehicles exiting the Middleton compound. Do we really know who was in them besides William?
Although he’s not perfect, Charles got a good head on his shoulders and I think he knows that Diana would have knocked his head off if he would have done that to William. You know if she was still alive. I think it’s wrong for the media to try to paint him that way and I think that is hurtful to William & Harry. If that car was from the Headquarters, I would think that something is coming and fast. It does look like it’s happening before he leaves to train.
I never thought of that Lisa.
I believe I have seen a range rover in pictures when William was driving his own car. I can’t swear to it,though.
If William and Kate became formally engaged and the announcement was ,say,days away, would Kate be able to remain home? Would her family be able to remain at home? What is the protocol?
Now I guess we just have to wait and see what happens this year.
Hi, fellow posters. I’m having a hard time sorting things out about PW & KM. First they had the Scotland holiday. Since Charles & Camilla were there one would think something important would be discussed. Do we know if her parents ever came to Scotland? They had the romantic dinner together which also would seem to something important discussed. He went to her house for her birthday, but nothing is really being said about their future. Some imply that they may never marry or not for 18 months. If PW never intends to marry her or not for 18 months, why all this public interest in each other? I’m very confused & hope each day for an announcement. I guess I need to quit thinking about it. They are so precious together that I hate to see it end.
Help me understand.
The protocol is ths Monday parliament resumes work and HM and them say YES
I love the way you think ,Me! LOL
Well Lisa I do know that when Diana became engaged, she moved into Buckingham Palace. Before the wedding she was at Clarence House. I hope I got that right. So I think Kate would move into either St. James’s or Clarence House. But I think the protocol is that she has to move into a royal residence.
n02va15 I like your comment. It seems like the puzzles are coming together and we are getting it piece by piece. But nothing is pointing in the direction of it ending but a new beginning and bright future. So I’m glad that you are joining us in hoping that something comes out soon. I wonder what’s Alsgal’s take on all of this?
Is HM back in Buck yet?
No I think she is still at Sandringham. She usually stay there until 6th of Feburary, the anniversary of her father’s passing. But if something was to happen, pictures will probably be taken there at Sandringham.
Dearest Rman, Alsgal is happy as a clam although I am switching to the regular Cook’s this evening because the Grand Reserve is putting a bit of a stretch on the family budget.
IMO all of this is being leaked on purpose, to let the entire world know that Kate is William’s lady, for the press to back off for the next eighteen months while he is training — and, to treat Kate with the respect she deserves.
Yes, he did show up for her birthday, and for all we know Kate might have been hidden in the back of that Range Rover when it left on Saturday for Highgrove. These two are a pair of tricky monkeys when it comes to the press, and they are conducting their relationship as they see fit.
While the sheer excitement of their relationship has forced Alsgal onto a daily rountine of aspirin, I continue to hold out hope that if nothing is announced on January 13th then there will be an announcement later this year or next.
As Ho Chi Minh once said, a ring doesn’t fill a hole, and these two don’t need a piece of paper from the registrar’s office to prove their love. Like Ashford & Simpson used to sing — their love is solid, solid as a rock.
As for all of the other stuff (the PofW’s Machevillian attempts to keep William away from the throne so that Camilla will be beloved, if only by the fans of Liza Minelli, geriatric set) well, I guess that just sounds too Shakespearean to me to be believeable. Kate, lovely as she is, simply cannot be sold as a teenage Cinderella Virgin Bride to an increasingly skeptical and wary public, and no matter how hard the editors might try to gain a cash cow, the Diana fairytale will not be repeated a second time.
How would one know if the plates on the RR are those from BP?
I guess I should ask is there any type of identification/lettering on tag for BP?
I think Charles is a loving and devoted father, he of all wishes his sons to be happily married. He would never stand in the way of his sons. And I do not believe for a second that PW is keen to become King directly after his grandma dies. In the next years, he wants to concentrate on his military career and his love life/eventually found a family, his recent decisions have shown that.
The press is making all this stuff up to have something to write about.
gracie – good question. So far sb just said these were BP cars. I have no idea. And usually, the plates are hidden , for security reasons. I found it a bit odd that the pics showed them, but perhaps sb was just very negligent.
Probably PW will have his plates changed now.
Hello,
Can’t sleep!
I’m amazed you all haven’t worked it out.
Four/Five weeks ago I posted comments about why PH was getting all the good news and why he seemed to be involved in all the charities.
At that time PW was back from Caribbean but no sign of KM since car phone photographs.
Suddenly, and it was suddenly, PW and KM reappear and the newspapers are full of their activities.
Then the big blockbuster happens and PH is big news for what he said/did several years ago but slightly watered down because PW was at KM’s house and to make sure we knew , his car was phographed parked and leaving next day with number plates showing.
The photographers must have been on private land to get the prints and they weren’t hassled and no one seemed to complain and they were there dead on time to catch PW driving back to Highgrove next afternoon.
Am I cynical or do coincidences happen in threes/fours ?
Four + months without even a mention then suddenly a feast of news all for our benifit ?
Now the engagement/marriage stakes are on without any thought of how it can be fitted in with all the other activities. An engagement for KM now would not be in her best interest with the amount of media interest she’d have to face alone.
PW had an opportunity to really introduce KM into that part of his life she doesn’t seem ever to enter , wiith the v S charity. What an opportunity but no involvement. Anyone know why ?
I’ve mentioned it before and I say again, it’s months and possibly years with a lot of ‘ifs’ and
‘buts’ along the way.
No announcements with a sighting every eight to ten weeks or so and we all go back to sleep.
WE really are suckers for punishment but perhaps it will all be worth it in the end.
Who knows?
ked it sounds like you got the lions share of Alsgals bottle.
I’m not worried because that day will get here. This year is full of promise.
Rman,William begins his training today(1/12)
William starts his training on Monday. I wish him luck and I know that Kate is wishing him luck too. Here is the link.
http://tinyurl.com/8zhhyb
The AFP:
“William, the eldest son of Prince Charles and the late princess Diana, will continue to be involved in royal duties while training, and has about 20 events planned over the next 12 months, similar to last year.”
Nothing is ruled out. Like I said before, this year is full of promise.
Sorry Lisa, I was busy typing. Now it’s time for Kate to get started to get herself out there and work with some organizations. I’m sure she will have some help from this new team.
Hopefully you are correct. One article said he is living in a single room and Kate may visit but not live with him. I hope it all works out for them.
I’m thinking another 2-3 years for them, but I think they’re solidly together. They have a plan, which is why Kate remains hidden away.
Ked,
You seen to imply that you HAVE worked it all out, but you’re not sharing. Sorry, not buying it. Show me the money.
Phoebe, ked can’t show you the money because it is all monopoly money,lol
Yes here is the link to the express.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/79479/Wills-puts-RAF-before-marriage
“Kate, 27, will be able to visit him and stay overnight in his room but, under RAF rules, they cannot live together unless they are married.”
Guess it does seem like they have a plan now in place. I’m wishing these two both luck and there’s more great things to come. I am excited for them that their future looks bright.
Sorry I meant to say “Guest”.
Chris234, I agree with you. Charles will not stand in his way. He knows that William is now a adult and he has to live his own life now. William life is going in the right direction. He got his career, the love of his life and his royal role. I’m proud to see him doing so well.
Hi all,
lots of catching up to do here…..
BRW, that would be so nice if pw went to km’s house to ask her parents’ permission!
alas….i tend to echo a bit of H, Alsgal, and Ked……
after months of very little interaction between km and pw, we have a flurry of activity just before his big send off to a long term assignment—
we see them out at whisky mist and now pw has honored km by inviting her to birkhall and subsequently attending her birthday at her parents’ home…..
this has accomplished several things:
by focusing so much media frenzy on pw and km, it takes coverage off the ph leak….and face it, it’s been a huge media flurry over a possible engagement, right when ph’s comments were slated to hit the public channels…..
second, pw’s recent activities with km help cast her as pw’s esteemed and dear and special friend, welcomed into his family, and he into hers…..
on one level, these events signal the romance is still going strong….but on another level, they tell a different story…..
for a couple dating going on 6 years, with one about to depart on long-term training, were these the kind of romantically intense get togethers one would expect?
as H mentioned, pw supposedly arrived at km’s parents’ home at 9pm, then left the next day a little after noon…..that almost seems perfunctory….
this far along in a relationship leading to long term commitment, a couple tends to spend much more time together….
they probably are still dating, in a romantic sense, but the relationship seems casual…a now and then kind of affair, not deeply in-love behavior…
maybe this is all perfectly fine with the couple….
but many women would not be fine with it, and many parents would intervene……km is such a beautiful young woman that she could easily meet someone who cherishes her and wants to commit…..at 27, she has to start thinking about her biological clock…..studies show that, contrary to what many think, women’s fertility starts to drop by mid thirties….
Well we know that they are doing just fine and she is very important in his life. They seem to have a plan in place and they will let us in on that plan when they have the time.
Time for Kate’s pr to go to work, because she’s about to enter former girlfriend territory and maybe it will take a year or two years,for some to see, but William is well out of it now.
The Palace has made all their moves concerning the Middleton girl.
Let us all remember this is not a normal couple. Prince William and Ms. Middleton cannot just live together, as any other couple can. It is one thing for Zara Phillips, who has no official title to live with her boyfriend. It is quite another for the heir presumptive to the throne to live with his girlfriend. Especially, if an accidental pregnancy were to occur.
As for the timing of his visit, we don’t what his schedule was that might have prohibited an earlier arrival. Then he left the next day after her birthday was over. Her parents were there. Royal prince or not, I doubt much romance was going on. He just wanted to spend some quite time with his love on her birthday. Then probably back to work.
Rman
this is not the first time that KM accompanies PW to visit his family (she has even been at important events), and this is not the first time that PW stays over at KM’s house, this has happened before. So what is it that makes you think that this time is different, that they are stronger and that they will get engaged if they have done the same thing before and no engagement has occurred?
I kind of agree with H,
for about 4 months there were no news of KM and PW, and suddenly they are seen together. So if they were seeing each other during that period of time why werent we able to see them together and now suddenly we see them again?
I dont really agree with that theory that PW wants the people to know that he is still dating KM and that’s why he let the paps take pictures of him parking his car in KM’s home. Since when does he care what the people think or say? and if he really wanted to hide from the media and suppress the public interest on him and KM (some people say that that’s the reason why we didnt see them together for many months), then why would he want the paps to take pictures of him and awake the public interest again?
Does it make any sense to you?
“Wills Puts RAF Before Marriage” http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/79479/Wills-puts-RAF-before-marriage
Interesting article, here is an excerpt:
“The second in line to the throne has told senior RAF officers he wants no distractions during his training as a search and rescue pilot, which begins today at RAF Shawbury, near Shrewsbury in Shropshire.
William, 26, will spend most of the next year living in a single room on the base there. If all goes well, he will be a fully operational pilot early in 2011.”
I still think it is pr. The PH video was a bad one. I think the recent pictures of the car park at the Middleton compound was a deliberate leak to deflect away from the bad PH news. Same as the puppy news.
It happens in politics all the time. Time will tell with this couple. Some people put too much emphasis on marriage. Both of these individuals have a choice and can walk at any time. Given that most people see William as the power player in this relationship they should take note that he has the power to walk at any time. For now it appears as if he is happy right where he is and so is Kate. No panic no drama and as far as we are aware the status quo remains the same….
I do think things will go quiet now for a while because he will be away and KM will be tucked away in Buckleberry. Center stage may move to CD who will be finishing up her law school degree and beginning work where the paps will know where she is day in and day out. I think it will be a quiet year with only news of Zara Phillips and Mike Tindall becoming engaged.
Well we shall see what happens but we do know that everything is fine with William & Kate. Do be prepared to read some nasty comments on those other sites. But the year is still full of promise William will be doing some duties throughout this year and of course he will attend the Order of The Garter Service. Kate I do believe will be doing some great things and I look forward to that. The new team will handle a lot now so I look forward to see what they will do.
Sonia, yes I do know that William has been to her house before and she has been to his many homes. This is just the first time it has been pictured. As for a engagement, well nothing has been announced but that does not mean that she don’t have a ring and if she don’t yet well it will come in it’s due time. It’s not about his car infront of her house but William has always let it be known that Kate is important in his life and last year and this year that was made loud and clear. I think the couple often like to be left alone for awhile but they know that cannot last which is why we didn’t see them for awhile late last year. Like I said before they have a private life and a public one and lately we have been seeing the public one. Now I fully understand that many don’t like the whole idea of Kate with him but it seems like William has sealed her place by his side and yes something could happen and they could split but right now, everything looks good in that world and just because he’s off to training does not mean it’s all over. ML said something that is really true, many people think if it’s not now then it’s over but I think this couple is proving that is not true. I think this is the ultimate test for them and I have faith that they will pass with flying colors. After that, we will hear those wedding bells. I think this new team at St. James’s will help Kate do a lot this year.
Rman, Lisa, Phoebe,
No one divulges where the money comes from as it just may dry up, however one still has to pass Go and as I’ve said, mainly as a loner for almost a year now, there are months even years before ‘Go’ even appears on the horizon.
His CO’s at Shawbury and Valley have told him what to expect and his earlier conduct in helicopters will not be condoned. What a warning.
PW then told his CO at Shawbury that there will be no distraction, yes , no destractions until he becomes operational in 2011 and then he has to spend 3 years on operations with a distinct possibility of a posting in Falklands and/or Cyprus.
It’s also noted that he will have no additional privileges, so orderly officer duties every other weekend and stand by on the other . With Six weeks annual leave, CH say he will have 20 constitutional events during 2009 which include his Football Assosiation appearances and his Welsh Rugby Union duties so if he has no privileges these events will take place during these leave periods.
I do think that leaves very little time for romance and as we all know parting (or neglect) does not make heart grow fonder it creates voids and voids can easily just be filled.
So think on these things and try to envisage what may just turn up on ‘Chance’ or ‘Comunity Chest’ . There’s a long long wait ahead so by the time IT arrives perhaps both may require new puppies or something!
Oh yes, the Audi fits description of car involved in high speed incident with PH in passenger seat just before PP’s weding. Remember?
All I can say is I hope that KM gets out more while PW is gone. I’m sure when he has time he’ll be out w/the boys stationed w/him.
Ked, what do you make of PH video? How can he be punished when nothing was done to PW over the Chinook incidents which were far more costly and dangerous to the tax payer?
I hope she doesn’t go out, PW is in love with her, she is in whole his weakness, a picture of her out and about in the tabloids is enough distraction for him.
I rather read like last year, he had in his night table at the RAF 2 pictures; one of his mom and dad, the other of Kate.
Looks like it will be a long time w/no news!
To expect Kate to stay hidden in Berkshire for however long is unreasonable and I hope that is not the plan. She should continue to work and start establishing some charitable interests but I fully expect to see her out and about at the races and her usual events when time allows her. It sounds like Wills job will be a daytime thing so I think they will probably see each other over weekends,which is good. I do hope she is better respected by the media during this time for both their sakes.
gracie,
I think the video has come out at the wrong time. In UK we have recently had several problems in Military ,Police and general work place which are labelled ‘race related’ and authotities are stepping up prosecutions on any infringement of the rights of minority sections of society.
They therefore have to be seen to ,at the very least, investigate even minor transgretions. This case with PH could unffortunately run and run but I personally don’t think he meant anything in a vicious or vindictive way. It is just that one now has to be so careful in expressing opinions .
I think what is strange is that this has now come out just as Harry is starting his helicopter training and you may recall that when PW’s seconment to S and R was mentioned the story of his irregular use of helicopters also came out.
It seems as if the disclosure in both cases may have come from within the military and came after the announcing of either PH or PW new postings. That is a disconcerting and distracting occurrence and may be more than just coincidental.
Lisa,
I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that PW’s posting is ‘just a daytime thing’ believe me, if the CO of Shawbury and Valley say he will have no privileges then that is what they mean.
This is a 24/7 posting for hectic and exhausting work which will be in addition to all the new skills needing to be assimilated by serious off duty study .
This S and R is no sinicure when any mistakes could result in fatalities.
ked several articles stated that his work was 8-5 with alot of studying done after hours,but as you yourself stated, he gets 6 weeks leave a year so he will have time to keep his relationship going both on the weekends and during leave. I think we can relax because I am sure there are many people in these roles that maintain relationships.
Honestly ked it sounds like you or someone you know wants this relationship to fail so Kate will be available.
You indicate that PW told his CO there would be “no distractions”
Please tell us HOW you personally know what PW told his CO and how that relates to KM.
Yes I’m sure William & Kate will find the time to be together and she can go visit him. Don’t forget that William is a big writer so there will be letters and even phone calls. The boy is not going to prison. Kate is not going anywhere and I’m sure William has made sure of that. Lisa, I do think Kate will get more involved in more charities and probably will get some help from this new team to figure out what interest her and how she can serve the organizations effectively. It’s absolutely closed-minded to think she will be hidden from the public the whole time he’s gone. Kate will make her appearences. For Harry who is going away too, I think he has learned his lesson and will start to take things more serious.
Ked, I see no reason to talk in riddles. If you continue to be an obscurantist, people will start to ignore you.
I think the timing of the release of the PH video is not the least bit coincidental.
As far as the SAR pilot training, it is probably not as bad as boot camp, but probably close. Having served in the Coast Guard here in the US, I can say that the helicopter pilots get involved in some really sticky situations. The “no distractions” comment is unsourced and I therefore don’t believe it. It is probably true regardless, and true for all who participate.
I don’t get the timing. If his training period is 18 months, he should be operational by mid-2010, when he turns 28. As usual, they’re trying to make his commitment look as long as possible, to give credence to their own ridiculous notion that his decision to commit to the service means he’s running away from KM.
And hasn’t anyone ever heard of a phone?
There not allowed to use those at the RAF,Phoebe
Here is TimeOnline new artical and listen to what it say’s.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5500208.ece
“While some observers have interpreted this career move as an attempt by William to put off marriage, it should not, in theory, cramp his style. Even as a trainee pilot he would be entitled to married quarters or, more realistically, be allowed to spend his weekends in his own accommodation off-base.”
This is why I said that yes Kate will go visit him and he can continue his relationship because again he’s not going to prison. This is the understanding that people need to get because a little mis-understanding is what causes the horrible comments on other royal blogs and they end up saying some horrid things about Kate and her relationship.
Thanks for providing those details.Rman. My guess is they will marry during his time at the RAF. He gets 6 weeks leave per year,which is more then enough to walk his bride out of St Pauls and take a short honeymoon as well as fullfil his other commitments!
Phoebe,
“Ked, I see no reason to talk in riddles. If you continue to be an obscurantist, people will start to ignore you”
You will quickly see on this board that Ked LOVES to speak in riddles. Pretending to be “in the know”". It is NEVER as he says.
Here is Hello! artical on Kate’s birthday.
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2009/01/12/kate-birthday-wills/
Well it does seem like it’s Kate’s choice to become a military wife and even this big move with his own team at St. James’s Palace has opened that door for her future with him. I have to admit that I’m excited for her and I hope that she will have a smooth transition from being Kate Middleton to Princess Catherine. I think the team of experts will oversee this and work it out so all of this can take place.
Well Ked likes to mess with us everynow and then but I still value his opinion and see him as one of us.
That was a friendly warning to Ked that he might become irrelevant. (Joking)
Well I’m glad to hear that The Prime Minister is backing Harry and I do believe that Harry didn’t mean to offend his fellow cadet. I just hope he learns from this and everybody can move pass it.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5501490.ece
Love the fake conversation with the queen,LOL..Harry is too much.
I thought that part of the video, at least, was very funny. The rest, maybe, not so much.
Well, I guess if PW started today it is somewhat unlikely there will be no announcement tomorrow at BP.
If that’s true, then Ked, I think I’ll be needing the Cook’s back and pronto.
While it’s true the RAF is not a prison or monastery, I have to ask the question, why is William doing this to Kate? Yes, if they are married (and I continue to hold out hope for this) then they can live together on base in Cyprus or Greenland or someplace equally romantic, but until he has marital privileges, this whole training sounds a bit strenuous, both professionally and on the personal side.
Understandable that PW wants to make his mark. Equally understandable that he doesn’t want to eat rubber chickens and cut ribbons at this point in his life.
But I guess the incurable romantic in me asks, isn’t this quite a lot to ask of Kate?
She has not appeared to be an extremely driven career orientated sort; she has seemed rather domestic and traditional and this is but one of the many reasons I like Kate and feel that she is so entirely right for the role of Royal spouse.
But she is 27, and by the time he is finished with his training she’ll be 29/30. It does seem a bit on the old side for living with the parents and working for them primarily out of default, as she seems unable to do anything else at the moment.
Sure, they will get to see each other. But six weeks vacation and every other weekend sounds more like the custody arrangement between two divorced parents, not that of two young people in love.
Yes, I understand many couples in the military have to live under similar circumstances, but often they have had few other opportunities in life, and the military was their best option. William could have effectively picked to do whatever he wished, within reason.
While no doubt a noble thing to do professionally speaking, today I am finding it hard to understand, from the personal side of things, why he made this choice for the both of them.
He has probably made this choice because:
a) He wants to continue a career in flying after enjoying it last year
b) He wants a chance to be normal
As for him not being married yet, well there is only one real explanation for that and that is that he does not want to be married, and as it is his decision I think that’s fine. If he really wants to marry her, he would. (N.B. Not suggesting that he never wants to marry her just not at this moment)
Thanks for the article Rman!
Just like anything in life, it depends how bad PW wants his relationship and what he is willing to do to keep it going. His training is his relationship now and PW will have to use the limited time he has to try to make KM feel important and not forgotten. It will be challenging, but it can be done. Is he willing? That is the question.
As far as PH goes, I would not say it’s no big deal cause to someone of a different nationality it could be very hurtful. With race relations such an issue today, I don’t think it will be so easy to brush under the rug.
Hang in there,Alsgal,I think they will marry this year or maybe next. They seem to have a plan that they are happy with so I guess we have to trust that they know what they are doing.
I will say one thing for Kate,they must be a good fit to make this work because many ladies Kate’s age are far more self focused and would not go along with this sacrifice. I think Kate should be given a great deal of credit for what she puts up with having fallen in love with this very complicated,high matainence,man.
Alsgal, I too feel the way you do. It seems to me that this should have been “now or never.” I think he should have asked for her hand or end it. She is a lovely girl and I would just like to see her w/someone who thinks she is the world, the moon and the stars. There are so many hot British men! But she won’t find them cloistered in Berks.
Alsgal,
I tend to think of you as a comedian of sorts, bu today’s post strikes me differently. I can see you have a deeper emotional side and I like what I see. You have raised several interesting questons about the reasons PW and his decisions of late.
I wish PW the best of luck in his RAF training!
Forgive Alsgal for being so clueless, and I don’t mean to offend anyone, but if it’s politically acceptable to call someone from Britain a Brit, Scotland a Scot, or someone from Afghanistan an Afghan could someone please explain why the term “Paki” causes offence? Sorry, but I don’t know anyone from Pakistan and had no idea prior to this story that this was considered offensive.
Gracie and B, I agree with your points. while I am proud of PW for undertaking something so dangerously helpful to others, I cannot help but get the feeling that he is making his career, and not Kate, his priority at this time. And yet, over the last several years, she has made PW hers. This seems unfair.
Just saw your post, ty PH and yes, best of luck to PW!
Alsgal,I adore Wills and Kate but if Kate made William her priority it was with eyes wide opened. She knows he is not just any other guy and that everything he does is looked at through a microscope. She also probably knows better then anyone how he feels about ribbon cutting,shaking hands and unveiling plaques for the next 60 years. PW is a man whose life is really not his own. He has a duty to his family and to his country and those obligations will always come first. Kate knows this. She also knows where the door is and is free to use it anytime she chooses. This may sound harsh but it is the truth. If she chooses to stay with him it is because she loves him enough to make the sacrifices she has to so he can have a few years to do something he loves rather then slipping into years and years of duty. If she stays and they make it as a family one day,their legacy will include the fire she walked through to become his wife and give birth to his heirs. This is part of what makes their relationship so compelling!
Did ya’ll read that Well Child might drop PH depending on what action the military will take in punishing PH. I still think that PH “sorry” coming from SJP is not the same as his going on camera and saying it. I think it would mean more especially to those that are offended by his remarks.
Alsgal
I do hope that they will be ok but I have the same reservations about him not marrying her now. This is going to test the relationship like nothing before but I guess if they make it they are meant to be.
Alsgal Paki has always had negative connotation to it in Europe as is only ever been used as a racial slur not as something pleasant at all. It’s not meant in the shortened version of Pakistani. However I do find it odd that this is coming out now. I would like to believe that Harry has cleaned up his act but he needs to just think about some of the things he is doing. The Nazi Halloween outfit was also a horrendous mistake. Thousands of people died during Hitler’s regime and I don’t think that that is a laughing matter at all. Anyone who does think it is you have to really question their judgment.
Lisa, that is so true but sometimes I can’t help but feel that Kate has given away far more of herself and her opportunities than a beautiful, intelligent girl would be inclined to do under more average circumstances. I know some people have speculated she only does that because he’s a Prince, and if she persists, the “payoff” will be great. But I’m a big old fashioned idealist, and I know true love when I see it. And I’m seeing it, particularly in their Venus/Mars trine and Sun/Moon conjunction.
JJ, thanks and Gracie, I hope they will accept Harry’s apology — as many have said, he’s grown a lot in the past three years, but still it was an unfortunate thing to say. Maybe as you say in person on camera would be advisable, or perhaps they could arrange a visit to a Pakistani community center where he could do it in person?
Alsgal,I hear you on the “payoff” everyone talks about but I don’t think that payoff is a great as you might think. Kate seems like a simple girl. We have never seen her with big,splashy jewelry or very expensive clothes etc. She too will have to relinquish her freedom once they marry. The bigger sacrifice is that her children will belong to the country and the royal family. Those are big bites IMO to get a ring and a tiara. I think the payoff is the man she loves.
I completely understand you Alsgal but Lisa makes a good point here that Kate knows the position that William is in and it’s clear that she accepts this and I think she has encouraged him to carry on with his training. Now none of this rules out marriage for them and we don’t know if he haven’t asked her to marry him. If he has asked already and she said yes, then I think the team will work out some time so they can make that announcement but I really think she has choosen to be a military wife and if she see that as fit then so be it. But Lisa It is clear that Kate is currently walking through the fire for that guy and it seems to be for love. Now there ia always that debate of his love for her but I get the feeling that he is truly in love with her and he has spent his last free time being with her alone and then with her family. Like the express artical said that this recent move of the Prince’s own office and team has opened the door for her to become his bride at last and Alsgal I think I’m going to need a lawn chair so I can sit with you on that great day. Now like I have been express lately that the Queen & prince Philip had to go through a lot to marry and it’s bigger than what William & Kate is going through. The Queen’s father had doubts, Prime Minister Churchill wasn’t a fan of Philips’s and his uncle went through the fire to get Philip in the royal fold. It’s not going to be easy for this couple but William & Kate seem to be a couple of strong people and they have pulled through a lot before so we just have to pray that they will get through this and a announcement will be made not too long from now. Lisa I agree with:
“This is part of what makes their relationship so compelling!”
I for one is blown away by this relationship and this kind of relationship is not something you see often. The sacrifices that is being made by Kate for love is mind blowing. I don’t like to talk about sex because that’s none of our business and not appropriate to talk about in this case but if these two have become one with one another, that would explain a lot. I just had to say that.
let’s face it…
if pw wanted to show his love and commitment to km, the easy way was: engagement
this military stint means hard work, total dedication, very demanding, and people’s lives are in the balance in this type of military endeavor
so it’s not any kind of part time pastime
choosing this military service both allows pw to broaden his experience and take up a worthwhile and exciting and demanding service AND it allows him to gracefully avoid marriage
he gets to serve in the esteemed RAF and salvage his reputation….he’s not seen as a cad for abandoning his gf of 6+ yrs….rather, she will just fade out and be sensible and…..
km is not getting any younger….to be content with seeing pw now nad then, on occasional weekends, during his breaks (when he will have plenty of royal duties lined up to occupy his time and focus) is not what she deserves
That’s a good point — Kate has given no indication whatsoever she’s in this for the moolah, so it must be love. Just from what I have seen in the media, Kate is a simple girl and we can witness that by her low-key taste in jewllery and even by the fact that she shops at TK Maxx — hardly evidence of the next Marie Antoinette!
I agree, theirs is an exceptional love story, of deep committment and yes, perserverance.
Rman, not to worry this lawnchair is big enough for the both of us, particularly if I call 1-800-Jenny first.
Lol, Alsgal that is funny. I look forward to sitting with you.
No, she’s not in this for the money. I just wanted to point out that I highly think she has encouraged him to follow his dream and she will be there by his side through it all. It would be very bad for her to marry him and then start to wonder if he’s unhappy that he didn’t get a chance to follow his dream and ambitions to fly and finish his career. That would have been a heavy burden for her to carry. But I just get this very strong feeling that they will marry while he is training or after he gets through the rough parts of the training. Britain has a lot to look forward to.
Well, John at RA is at it again with,what are in my opinion, irresponsible comments.
I hope people out there realize that this guy does not know SQUAT.
I wish someone would speak up over there and really let him have it but he would just simply not allow the comment to post. Sad how these bloggers can abuse their own sites with rumors and inuendos.
Kate waiting 18 months won’t make a bit of difference. The decks were cleared and everything made clear for her this week, he won’t be marrying her.
William could have made her official before he left, he did not.
Since the RAF announcement, engagement for Kate was off the table.
William has not asked Kate to wait, he does not have an understanding with her to wait, the Palace does not work that way. If William wanted to marry Kate he would have proposed, he did not.
He has made his decision and it is to spend about seven years in the RAF.
There is no need for Kate to hide away or even not to be seen with others if she chooses, because the message was sent loudly, there will be no engagement and no marriage with William.
She is entering good friendship and former girlfriend territory now.
Five years in the RAF. Since you’re wrong about that, I wonder what else you’re wrong about.
Lisa, I dislike saying anything bad about anyone — but I thought RA had speculated the reason William dropped Kate was because she was infertile? And now they think it’s because she is or was pregnant?
Lol, but how is that supposed to work?
“about”
No engagement has taken place as some of us have said for months.
Not getting engaged is the clearest message he could have sent.
18 months or two years or one year won’t bring a wedding or an engagement.
pualoa, you have absolutely no way of knowing what William and Kate have arranged with each other.
There has been no announcement that their relationship has ended, these are simply your assumptions, based on your imagination. William and Kate are free to date long-term just like the Swedish Royals are doing.
What matters is what William and Kate actually do, not what a bunch of people with overactive imaginations ASSUME they’re going to do.
We all know what they say about assuming things…..
Bottom line, I’m smart enough to take my cues on what to believe from Wills and Kate, not other’s assumptions.
As for Wills and Kate, Berkshire is exactly 2 hours and 45 mins drive from RAF Shawbury, according to Google’s driving instructions.
Wills is allowed to have guests stay overnight on the weekends, and he’s also allowed to stay away from the base for 2 weekends a month.
Kate can get a flight from Heathrow to Birmingham and then drive a rental to Shawbury, or she can drive from Bucklebury to Shawbury, or he can spend the weekend with her, or whatever.
But between texting and mobiles and email and facebook and Skype, they will be able to talk to each other daily and even see each other face to face whenever they have a free moment. For those who don’t know, with Skype all you need is a webcam, and you can talk to your sweetie face to face, even if they’re in another country!
Modern technology allows people to continue relationships without a lot of inconvenience. This is not a disaster, it’s really a very good thing for William and Kate’s relationship if you ask me.
I think they’re going to end up having tonnes of fun, we (the public) just won’t be in on the fun because it will be ‘behind the scenes’, that’s all.
People should listen to Rman and Me and Lisa a bit more, they have the right of it. (
when I said ‘Me’, I was referring to poster ‘Me’ and not myself.)
pualoa, we don’t know that she didn’t get the ring. He could have asked her while they was up at Scotland. If they did get engaged, they will make the time to announce it. If not, then it will come we just have to be patient and wait for it to happen.
So, you’re admitting that you’re wrong about that?
Right ML, guys lets just remain calm about it.
Hello,
My earlier quotes about PW’s commitment were taken from a early BBC news bulletin with inteviews with PW’s Sqn Commander, The Shawbury Base Commander and the C of S S and R.
I can’t quote verbatim as it was not recoprded but I recall the following statements or comments;
PW will not receive special treatment and could fail course and wil be expected to behave and do same duties as all other students (think that was word used).
It was confirmed that PW would probably not serve ‘operationally’ in war zones a 98% of time would be rescuing civilians within the UK with short 8 week service in Cyprus and alklands.
The station CO did say he has to want to learn, want to do career as its not just a military job as it’s a way of life with 100% full commitment and that PW had assured him of his commitment without distractions.
They also quantified the heleicopters he would fly and that he would start full Sand R service in the early months of 2011.
In addition I was reminded today that my comments before Christmas about KM’s visits to Dublin were slightly incorrect. She did not make two consecutive weekend visits from Bristol but went out friday and returned a week following monday. Mrs M was also in Dublin during that time.
The proof is in the “status”.
A ring, engagement or a wedding can not take place with a absent boyfriend who has not proposed.
The pr has already started, with the somewhat subtle blaming of Pr. Charles. It’s been done before during the breakup.
William decided this course for no engagement, no matter how much it is imagined he didn’t.
Ugh
Alsgal/Lisa I am soooo disgusted right now. I can’t believe that he is suggesting that she had an abortion. That man is a raving lunatic.. Whatever his problem is with Kate he should call a spade a spade. Yuck…
I thought RA was reliable because the man is a journalist with some sources of the RF, isn’t he? But I think some of his recent comments are odd, though.
JJ, I think it’s best to not listen to John. He has changed a lot and we know that is not true what he said. It’s very sad that they are painting Charles’s character like that and think that he don’t care about his son’s happiness. William & Kate are doing just fine, we have seen that. I told you guys to get prepared for the nasty comments and that dancing on Kate’s tonsils. Kate is one strong woman and that is what William is going to need to have beside him as a royal and on that throne. It’s time to accept that Kate is going to be a royal military wife.
But I think it’s best to read the TimesOnline link that I provided. This couple will do just fine and we just have to keep rooting for them. Do anyone know when Harry is due to leave?
Hi Everyone,
Just noticed something in Ked’s post regarding the interview with PW’s Squadron Commander:
As Ked recalled, “They also quantified the heleicopters (sic) he would fly and that he would start full Sand R service in the early months of 2011.”
Well, it has been widely reported that PW’s training period, starting January 12, 2009, would last 18 months.
That would lead one to believe that his training will end in June or July 2010. However, this story states that PW will not begin full-time with SAR until early 2011.
Two things:
That leaves a window in PW’s schedule of approximately six months between the end of his training and the start of full-time work.
Given that Royal engagement tend to last 6 months, an engagement announced in Dec 2009 or Jan 2010 would lead to a wedding date in Summer 2010.
That would give the happy couple about 6 months (July 2010 – Jan 2011) of newly wedded bliss, time to get settled in, and to make appearances, etc. before PW reported full-time.
Hmmm….just a thought
JJ, Alsgal, I had to go check RA to see what ya’ll are talking about. I thought he wrote an article that she was infertile a while back and now this? I hope that it’s not true as I have been in that situation and it’s not an easy one. It is definately something that stays w/ a person for ever, especially a woman. It helps to have a supportive significant other, if one partner is insisting it and the other does not want to, it can cause a deep rooted anger that is very hard to forgive.
Stephanie, well I’m telling that it’s going to happen. It’s only in a matter of time. Right now I believe Kate will be getting the experience she will need by getting involved with other charity work and hopefully become president or patron of some organizations. Her guidance will be headed by this new team William & Harry have at St. James’s. There seem to be a plan in place for them now. We have a lot to look forward to this year. Things may get off to a slow start but it will start. Somehow I see her working with children but it will have to be stuff that she has a deep interest with.
Ked, can you pleas explain the importance of KM going to Dublin for a week? Maybe she has hot Irish dude on the side and who could blame her?
Well Gracie, this is how ugly rumors get started. John should have not said that and knowing that was from tabloid gossip. Something like that could get out hand and cause some deep hurt to William & Kate and the Monarchy. It’s just a shame that people talk like that and you know on those other blogs that have a deep hate for this woman, would run with that story.
Stephanie,
PW’s timetable is shown as follows;
Jan 2009. Refresher course on Squirral helicopter
Mid 2009. S and R training at RAF Valley North Wales
Mid 2010. Join Sea King Conversion Unit
Early 2011. It is hoped he will begin as search and rescue pilot for initial 3 year term based in UK with 8 week postings to Falklands and Cyprus.
PW will not be operational in War Zones.
Much as i’m really confused as to what is going on, I don’t see the logic of all of the “planned” sightings over the last few weeks & starting up the engagement frenzy again, if PW was just going to dump her again.
If he wanted to split up again it would have been better from a PR point of view given that they hadn’t been sighted together for about 3 months, for them not really to see each other over the Xmas break (in terms of royal stories there was the Harry & Chelsy stories to keep the papers interested), for PW then to start his SARs training & then shortly after for news of an amicable split.
By having all of the recent sightings & also all of the comments about “besotted” PW & wonderful, supportive Kate, all they are doing is reminding the general public about their relationship & also increasing sentimentalism about “oh isn’t this romantic” & “aren’t they a great couple”. from a PR point of view it seems counter productive, if infact all CH / BP are trying to do is get PW out of the relationship.
However, the reason why I thought that they did it was because of an imminent engagement announcement, but that I think now is very, very unlikely and would fly in the face of PW saying that he is totally committed to his training. So now, it really makes no sense for me & Kate from a general public point of view is left in limbo, which is no good for her reputation (or her sanity!!)
I also can’t see why KM would be going along with all of this if they have split or are near to. I like Asgal, think that she really loves PW – so why would she agree to lay low for months & “play act” for the cameras if she knew that her relationship was over, or on the way out. She may be loyal, but that would really be above & beyond.
Apologises for the ramblings – I keep going backwards & forwards on this & I’m still no closer to working out what on earth is going on. It’s really funny, I don’t know KM in the slightest, but I have ended up liking her and really wanting her to be OK – espec when you think of what she is up against, in terms of the might & the power of the royal family.
Here is a nice video dedicated to both royal couples. There is some pictures of William & Kate that I have never seen before of them on vacation in the caribbean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHocc5tlcCA&feature=related
H, there is no way William & Kate would have made their recent appearences if that was going to happen. Their future looks bright. And they look happy than ever.
Hi Rman
I’m not believing anything that John says any more. He seems to have become a very bitter deluded man for whatever reason.
Stephanie that sounds like a realistic time table and I am hoping that by December of this year latest January or February next year that there is an announcement. Until then hopefully things will be quiet and they continue their relationship on a low key basis.
That timeline (and correct me if I am wrong) will only hold true as long as the Queen stays fit and able (which I hope she does for many years to come). If anything changes with regards to the Queens health then that may change PW the route that PW is currently on….
H, perhaps that is why KM puts up with it because of the “might & the power of the royal family.” That’s the only thing, besides a financial settlement, that I can see why she would go along w/the facade. I know I would be just a little intimidated by the RF after the world saw what Diana had to go through. No wonder Mrs. Midds is feeling “vulnerable.” Yet I think all the cozy cabin Christmas stories, pictures at the airport and PW plated care leaving the Midds is overkill. I agree w/you in that I think CH/RF/PW should have left for RAF w/no sightings of them as a couple. The press was not talking about KM and what they were saying seemed like it was over, so why the over-kill? I think it will hurt PW now to breakup than if he did it a month ago cause it looks like he is playing w/her emotions as well as her family.
gracie,
I have no idea why KM was in Dublin and as you know I was there for a week prior to Christmas. I didn’t make any blatant enquiries but in general conversation no one had seen or heard that KM had been in Dublin.
There was a comment on here that KM’s mum was also in Dublin at the same time so it could be that PP are expanding into Dublin who have very advantageous tax concessions for goods manufactured in Eire and exported.
If I remember correctly KM and her Mum also visited Dublin in April/May 2007 shortly after the break up.
PW could flunk out of his training even if he is a member of the RF.
Ked, thank you for your response! It seems like KM likes Ireland, maybe she can be free there?
I’ve just seen Ked’s timetable – so Ked, you are saying that formal training doesn’t infact start until mid 2009. Is that correct? So what about fitting in a royal wedding in advance, it can’t take him 6 months to do a refresher course
Then they could make it a really romantic story -saying that he started training & really missed Kate blah blah blah. Also he could use it as an excuse to have a low key wedding.
Now my imagination is really running riot
Well William seem to be a kind and compassionate guy that wouldn’t play with her heart like that and Kate looks sweet but I believe she is a tough cookie and not soft. They just showed us that everything is fine with them and his training is not the end of the world for them, simply put.
According to the MoD, William’s formal training starts 12/01/2009, which is today for those of us in North America.
His 18 months of training ends in June 2010.
He will then work a tour of duty, which lasts 30 to 36 months.
30 to 36 is 2 and 1/2 to 3 years.
His tour of duty will be completed no later than 2013, even if he doesn’t start it until January 2011.
There is no logical reason that Wills and Kate have to end their relationship if they don’t want to. If they want to continue the relationship during the 18 months Wills is in training, they can do that.
Wills will be 28 years old in 2010, and his training ends in June 2010. It has been stated by the MoD that Wills might start his tour of duty in January 2011. That would leave 6 months open in 2010. Certainly, that’s plenty of time for Wills and Kate to spend some quality time together, isn’t it?
And if they don’t throw their mobiles in the trash bin or swear off using their laptops, I would imagine that during Wills’ training they will be able to text each other and skype and email each other as much as their schedules will allow.
I have no idea why no one hears what I am saying. I’m tired of repeating myself….
Sorry, I meant to say ‘no later than 2014′, but I was in a hurry when I was typing.
ML, we hear you. These two will make it down the isle and a annoucement will come. They just have plan.
I meant “they just have a plan.”
I hear you ML some people just don’t like to listen. If it is going to come it will come & the 2010 dates sounds more realisitc anyway. Plenty of time….
It looks like one of PW’s friends got engaged. Nicholas Van Cutsem….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/4224308/Prince-William-shown-wedding-path.html
so km can spend some quality time with pw starting june of 2010? 18 months from now
she’ll have a solid 6 months of quality time with pw to look forward to…she’ll be 28 1/2 by then
then pw goes off for the remainder of his service, taking him out to 2013 or 2014?
by 2013, km will be 31…..
so will km and pw get engaged in june 2010? and married in early 2011?
or is that just the only time for some solid quality time together?
km has to be really dedicated to put her life on hold all that time….and with no guarantee that pw will ever propose…..
at some point, waiting around this long without even a formal engagement to keep her committed starts to degrade a young woman’s image….to some extent this has already started with km….yes, this recent spate of family get togethers has provided her with some renewed respect and honor but that wears out quickly……
Help, Rman. I agree with H. This is all so confusing. Why do people think this is the beginning of the long goodbye? Is my vision clouded by the fact that I want so much to see them together. I just don’t think PW would string her along if he didn’t intend to marry her. HM & PP were secretly engaged for a while. Like I said, I’m confused and it sounds like we won’t hear anything for a while.
Should I quit visiting this site to spare my emotions????
They may get engaged this year and wait to get married. Although I don’t think they will wait for a very long time to walk down that isle. I’m sure some time will be put aside for that. They will work this out but Kate is in this for the long run.
Yeah JJ, I see one one of his friends will get married this year. I guess there will be a nice wedding with Kate attending.
Thanks, Rman. Maybe if PW’s friends start getting marriied, he will think more seriously about it. His friends seems to combine the military with marriage.
LOL, no n02va15. I did notice on the other royal sites they are coming up with a theory that they had a long goodbye for good. None of that is true. They want Kate out of the picture like yesterday. They just don’t like her n02va15 and you can’t spend your time listening to that crap. There was no long goodbye for good, they spent some quality time together and we can clearly see they are happy. Like I said before, his training is not the end of the world for them. The boy has a heart and not a cold one. He wouldn’t just break her heart like that. Both Princes’s are going away but they spent good quality time with their girlfriends. Harry & Chelsy went on a romantice holiday to the beach and William & Kate went up to Scotland. They know how to treat their women.
Right n02va15 , so it’s not ruled out for this royal couple. With this new office at ST. James’s Palace, the doors just opened for them to walk down that isle.
it looks to me like PW and KM getting married has become an obsession for the media because people want another Diana. But KM will never be like princess Diana. hey are two separate individuals. People from this website have also become obsessed with when this couple is going to get married, but I would suggest you slow down because if there is an engagement at all, it wont happen in many yrs and I dont see the point with you breaking your heads in trying to figure out when they are going to get married.
Sonia, there will never be another Diana and no one is trying to make her into another Diana.
As I read the conflicting accounts of the last few weeks, I can’t help but think that William and Kate have some kind of understanding.
I can’t believe that after months of not being seen, Kate would reemerge just to get dumped by William. I just don’t see it. A lot of people were thinking that they were over. So why bring it into public view again? I did read the RA. John did say that he had been in contact with people and nobody seems to know what is going on with William and Kate. I think that it is percisely because he was leaving that he wanted to show everyone how much he cared for Kate. I think that this SAR is his way of serving his country. I think that he got frustrated that he couldn’t go to the front lines. This is his way of doing something positive for his country and getting out of Royal duties. One can only think of ribbon cutting and public appearences to see that at this point, William thinks that with SAR he can actively support his country. As for Kate, I am really thinking about her these days. They cannot be easy. Since she loves him and he her, they will still be together. I think it is never easy being away from the one that you love. It would be even worse if she was open game for the press as William’s fiance. I do hope that Kate and William know that so many people are pulling for them. I wish for both of them growth of love. happiness, and as much togetherness.
Thats a thoughtfull and really nice post Kat, amen.
Guys here id the video of William & Harry at the charity party for their late friend, Henry Van Straubenzee. It includes their speeches.
http://tinyurl.com/9jrvwz
Yes that was a very nice post and I hope they do know that we are staying positive and yes pulling for them.
Kat, your post makes a lot of sense, I hope others read it.
anastasia mentioned when would Kate and William have time to see each other? A logical guess would be: On the weekends.
According to the RAF/MoD, William will be training 5 days a week, and he will be studying at night. That leaves the weekends, and I read that in the first 6 months the trainees get all of their weekends off.
So basically, William will be keeping to the same type of schedule as a university student with a heavy load of classes.
He’ll have his weekends free, there’s nothing to keep him from seeing Kate if he wants to do so.
I would think weekends would be great quality time for them.
Well,thankfully a few posters at RA had the guts to denounce the suggestive posts over there and may I be the first to stand and applaud! The references to Kate Middleton’s child bearing abilities and or other issues concerning her private medical status is well beyond acceptable and I am so happy someone over them dared to step up and say something! BRAVO!
Wow, Gigi layed down the law over there, You are right Lisa.
Hello,
I’m so sorry to ask something so completely off topic but since I know some of you frequent different sites, may I ask if the “Internet Forum” is not working for anyone else? I’ve received a couple Pm’s and I’ve been unable to respond to them because the site is not working for me. I wouldn’t like those individuals to think I’ve intentionally ignored them.
Thank you so much.
-Karagiosis
You mean the Kate haters site? Maybe bad karma shut it down.
Good luck anyway.
I assume it must work for some, if they were able to send Pm’s.(?) By any chance have you tried it, just to see if it works for you?
Thank you for answering all the same.
-Karagiosis
P.S. you’re a funny, funny girl.
Sorry,I do not post at that site as I find many of the posters there to be immature,mean spirited and downright nasty at times. Exception is our own mapleleaf,who is just spiffy
I only meant if you or anyone else was able to open the page. But that’s alright. Thank you again for answering.
-Karagiosis
P.S I agree MapleLeaf is an interesting person to exchange pleasantries with
Karagiosis,
Thank you for saying I am an interesting person to exchange pleasantries with.
I must say, that was an extremely diplomatic response on your part
Also, there was a problem with the server at the IF. The problem has been resolved, so do try logging in again.
Lisa, thank you for your nice words. Your posts are one of many reasons I enjoy posting comments on BRW.
Hello,
I know what I think about comments and topics on ‘that other site’ but as the person concerned can never accept that he is wrong I do not think it an appropriate topic to be even acknowledged on BRW.
Therefore if you agree may we please just ignore the topic and do what we do best.
Please.
Hi All,
Yes, I think it’s best if we don’t get too deep and personal in discussions about RA or other forums. We’ll just get all hot and bothered and it won’t change anything anyway.
Thanks, Steven (BRW)
Hello,
Jonathan Charles (BBC WORLD NEWS) said that PW arrived at the RAF base on sunday in the early afternoon, just after 12pm (and said that the base is just 2 hours from Highgrove). I m going to check the website of the RAF if I found it ! … and I come back to this fantastic site. I love all your posts
Back again : Here is an extract from the RAF Shawbury where PW is.
“After initial training, you’re free to go home at weekends if you’re not on duty. Initial training includes weekends as well as weekdays. Generally after around three weeks you will be able to go home for a weekend.
Most people in the RAF work regular hours – Monday to Friday, doing an eight-hour day, with evenings and weekends free. If you’re not on duty then after initial training you can leave the base whenever you want. You also get six weeks of paid annual holiday.
If your work keeps you away from home a few days or more, or at the weekends, you’ll get the equivalent time off. Longer hours are only the norm if you’re on an important mission or detachment.”
So he is not jailed !!!! RAF is not a prison
Hi Guest2, Welcome to BRW. Thanks for digging up that info!
Guest2,welcome thanks for the leg work in getting that info! It’s great to have official clarification of William’s schedule at the RAF. I never understood why people got into such an uproar over this decision. I doubt it will affect William and Kate’s plans much at all. If they want to marry,they will. We just have to hang tight and see what they have in mind.
I bet they will live offbase together. It may be low key if they are not engaged. I am sure we will find out,though. The paps will see it it!
ked and BRW, your points regarding RA are correct. Lips sealed
BRW
Ok! sorry for the earlier post. I’m ok now calmed down.
Very Interesting comment Ked…….
Things seemed to have died down a little about the Harry scandal. I’m sure he will survive this one. I do wonder when he begins his training???
He is suppose to be off this coming Monday jan 19.
I think most of you make really good points of them staying together. Yet, KM is still left hanging, still going to be “Waitey Katey” in the vile press. It’s okay to not want to get married, but I have a hard time believing that this is what KM wants. Most of their peers are getting married or already married poss. w/children. All this Christmas engagement hype was for the benefit of someone, who it hard to guess as there are many players. It sure did not benefit KM, as it appears she is left in pergatory for as long as it takes PW to propose. That’s her chosing, but I don’t get why. Love is a two-way-street. I see her waiting, giving her time and he flys off to fullfill his dreams. What about her dreams or I guess she’s not suppose to have any.
Here is the January cover for Hello!.
http://tinyurl.com/6u462o
Gracie, things may look dark at the moment but I get the feeling that she is a major encourager for him continue his training and things won’t remain this dark for us too long. I don’t think anything is stopping her from going after her dreams. There’s no telling what she have up her sleeve and her plans for this year.
Good post gracie!
I guess Kate will have to take matters into her own hands. She will have to pursue her dreams as well. I think it will be tough, but it will be worthwhile in the end.
hello all,
against my better judgement i peeked at the ra site the other day…..
is it my imagination or did i see some posts that were identical to ones posted here?
anyway, one more thing: websites thrive financially as a result of “traffic”
the more hits on a website, the more the owner can show advertisers that it’s a popular site….
that thought alone should help discourage anyone from aiding and abetting
otherwise……
yes, I hope KM gets the courage to follow her own dreams……
of course we don’t know all the details, we can only go by the media info….and a certain poster’s behind the scenes additional tidbits
but….on the face of it, it looks as if km has sacrificed much, and put her own life and dreams on hold….with very little in return…..
let’s hope this assessment is wrong!
but this is the stuff that made the book “The Rules” such a bestseller years ago…..
too many young women doing most of the work in relationships, giving everything and gettting very little in return….and devoting year after year to the wait……
the rules say: after two years, it’s fine to ask intentions…..
and if the answer is vague or too far into the future….it’s time to start dating someone else….
Interesting post gracie.
But what about William’s dream? Kate will still be able to marry him and have children even if they delay for a possible 10 years (although falling pregnant does become harder). Why should William sacrifice his dreams? Besides, if that was her dream (marriage etc.) and his dream is different does that not suggest that they are at different stages of their lives, want different things and perhaps are not 100% suited for one another? Of course, you and I can only speculate neither of us have any evidence for either side of an argument but it is an interesting idea.
Anastasia
That is a very good point and one which will keep me off of there for good. I do not want to increase revenue for that site ever again…. Well B let’s hope that is not the case. I like the hello cover & hopefully it will be a quiet successful year for the pair.
Looking at the long term picture about PW it occurs to me that he is trying to avoid some of the frustration that Prince Charles went through in waiting to be king. If you look at Williams timetable for his time in service, it takes him until Her Majesty is about 90, meaning that maybe by that time Charles will be king and William can become Prince of Wales with the associated income. I think he and Kate would be wise to be away from London during their early years. A much more normal life.
If they plan to spend their early years like that then so be it. Of course they will have some duties to perform and she will establish more charities and become president and patron of some organizations, they will have a private live.
Ethel,
Good point about PW getting on with his life before King, as his life as King is far into the future!
Oh thanks for replying MapleLeaf! I’ve just tried and it doesn’t work for me… perhaps tomorrow. Sorry for the interruption.
-Karagiosis
I’m completely confused about their relationship. What I don’t get is that unlike Pr. Harry, Pr. William never stated with his mouth in any of his interviews that he has a girl friend by the name of Kate or Catherine; to even say that he’s in love or madly in love with her. All I see is that she gets invited to all of his gathering; like an escort. I have many male friends that get invited to multiple family and other social engagements, but it doesn’t mean anything special because we are true friends.
If they are really in a special relationship, I will have to say that Pr. William is selfish and Kate is too tolerant. If love exists between them, like the song said, love is blind.
I think a lot of degrading to her name could have been prevented if Pr. William had formally confessed her to the media like Pr. Harry did. Besides Chelsy’s personal behavior choices, you don’t get news about waity Chelsy or Lazy Chelsy, or Chelsy hiding away to mama for her image protection and etc.
I know we see pic. of Will and Kate, but a picture doesn’t always portray reality. It’s only important when we give it a meaning, which are based on our desires.
They both need to stop playing games; and Kate need to start saying no to him more often because man love taking advantage of what comes easy.
I don’t know Kate as a person, but I do think that she is a smart, organized, and beautiful woman. I think for her to get full respect now, she will have to show how independent she can be without both her parents and William.
You know different people have different ways of handling/expressing their relationships. Some people are ok with PDA and telling the world about their relationships, and others are very uncomfortable.
Although Kates and Williams relationship confuses many, they for now seem to be fine…. People often forget that divorce and especially bitter divorces have an adverse effect on the children involved. Never mind the death of a parent at a young age as well… Many children go through divorce and are fine but some are scarred…. You can’t paint everyone with the same brush.
He
Ked, did you fall asleep at the keyboard or something? What’s up w/your last post “He?”
Dear God, Ked — are you OK? Perhaps jj’s comments affected him. I know they affected me.
Of course children of divorce are scarred for life. Ditto for children with terrible skin conditions, like eczema.
I agree that Kate’s loving and stable family life will prove a huge asset to the BRF, whose members are sadly prone to divorces and much dysfunction. All the more reason to get her out of hiding, make her legal, and into those hospital wards to show the world that a childhood unaffected by tragedy really makes for a better and more balanced person. As well as much calmer and obviously far more productive person.
Go Kate
Alsgal, have you have been encouraging Ked to drink lately? Perhaps he was reading tea leaves and something so, so positive showed itself in his cup, that Ked was left speechless? Personally, I think he is having a hard time coming to terms that KM and PW relationship might be over. Rman tried to tell him, but some people just can’t except it! Poor guy, he needs to stop all this traveling he does and settle down w/ a good girl.
I figured out what Ked does for a living, why he’s always traveling and going to great places like Ohio, he’s a Bull Rider! Gotta love those cowboys cause they work their butts off.
POOR KED!! Sometimes you sound completely delusional and other times you sound almost like a jealous lover!
Kate and Wills are just fine – you don’t have any more inside information than the rest of us. I wish CATHERINE AND WILLIAM much happiness. Only they can decide if and when they will announce their engagement and I do believe they have an understanding between themselves. Maybe you should set your sights on Zara Phillips or another single woman.
Hello,
I must say that I’m gratified for the concern, real or imagined that my fellow posters are showing for my welfare and may I say ‘lovefare’.
I am so very grateful and will continue to mystify you as long as my comments manage to overcome the security word.
Whenever that word is “xmas” in its various guises my posts mysteriously disappear and I do not always have the time to rewrite them.
Again my thanks to all the caring posters especially from the depths of Europe during the next week or so.
For now ,
Bye
Oh Ked is fine. He may have been laughing at the comment I wrote. I think one of these days he will reveal himself. I still have my suspicions… Anyway slow day on the news front!
Ked, make sure to protect yourself, keep your chaps tight. I hear the bull is notorious for sterility!
Hello,
There has been a few comments over the past month of the involvement of PC in PW and KM relationship and it was rumoured that he was involved in the breakup in spring 2007. With or without foundation how can we know?
The one thing we do know is that PC controls the Duchy of Cornwall finances.
PW may have been left approx £7M after tax as his share of Diana’s estate and he may well have inherited from the Queen Mother’s estate but the capital sum would most certainly be held in an irrevocable trust . He would therefore only have access to the interest from the investment and that may only be about 2% after income tax per annum. Not enough to marry and run a houshold in keeping with his station.
As a matter of interest it was recently reported that PC would finance the private office of PW and PH from the D of Cornwall finances.
Is this therefore another variable in the PC/KM relationship,engagement and marriage?
Fanciful or realistic ? Who knows but it could be yet another problem for the couple.
Just speculation, PW could add to his 2% per annum from his irrevocable trust his officiers salary which is quite high. He could then take advantage of the on-base housing subsidy for married couples.
Good idea or not realistic?
PH,
Flight Lts salary approx £38,000 per annum.
Security for a Royal Household tends to £1m plus other expenses?
William & Kate will do fine and I’m sure this is all being worked out. They have a great team of experts that will get down to work and arrange what needs to be arranged.
Somehow, despite always pleading poverty and claiming thriftiness in a misguided attempt to appeal to the average classes, members of the BRF usually manage to live rather well.
I assume if PW wants to get married, there will be plenty of money to keep Kate well-dressed, groomed, and housed. Why, she might even get an upgrade on the Audi.
This stuff about it being “his Daddy’s fault” doesn’t ring true to me, as PC would know more than most the the sad consequence of being whupped emotionally by one’s father.
Nope, not buying it.
Of course, William could be using Daddy-o as an excuse, but I don’t think he’s that sorely lacking in the gonad department. At least I would hope not.
Well the Queen pays Edward & Sophie’s bills since they are full time royals. But I’m sure William & Kate will be fine and won’t have to worry about that. Like you said alsgal, the royal family always seem to live well. That will be worked out for the couple.
If PC did not want PW to marry now, if Ked’s figures are right, then all PC would have to do is say that he will not financially support him/his bride. So even though PW and PH have their own offices it still daddy’s purse strings. PC office is probably tired of having to answer for PW and PH mistakes. I would think that if money were the issue for PW getting married and PC would not help to contribute, the Queen would step in if she approved of the union. Perhaps that is why it is easier when the family has there own money to bring to the table?
It just seems as though the time passed for PW to ask KM to marry. His training makes it even more difficult to keep it going. KM seems like a social person who like to go out and enjoy life and I honestly can’t see her hiding away in Berks until he completes his training. Yes, the paps get out of hand w/her, but she always looks happy and usually does not let it effect her. Compare that to the WM pictures w/PW and she lookes miserable to me. Even the ones at the airport she’s not her smiley self. She looks like someone has come in a sucked the life out of her. I would like to see them marry but something tells me that she has been hurt deeply in this relationship and I think this press storm of recent was the slow end of the relationsip. It was over when PW left town. I think he would prefer to be w/the company of men and planes, than KM.
First of all, may I extend my sincerest condolences to the family of Ricardo Montalban, one of Alsgal’s all time favorite actors, a true gentleman and Senor. May there be plenty of rich, soft, Corinthian leather where you are going, Senor Ricardo. RIP.
Gracie, by “prefer the company of men and planes” do you mean in the John Travolta style of the joy of aviation or more of a Bond type thing? Personally, I’ve always seen William as more of a strong, silent John Wayne type (but not John Wayne Gacy.)
What are the WM pictures? Did I miss something in the glow of my Cook’s Grand Reserve celebration for einz (more of a stupor actually, what with the motor running and the windows rolled up.)
Btw keep those garage doors open when the car is running, kids, and mind the cat!
So sad about Rocardo. I loved watching his movies, especially w/Rita Hayworth and who could forget Fantasy Island? He had the body of a Greek God. It’s possbile PW could be into aero like JT, cause I can’t figure what would be holding him back from marrying KM.WM-Whiskey Mist photos recently at Christmas. She looked like a child finding out there is no Santa. I hope they do marry, but something tells me KM has lost something that she can’t get back and maybe not forgive PW for. JMO.
Gracie,
Sometimes, I feel like you do. Then,they do something that reminds me that they do care for each other. I was losing hope when I did not see them together a few months ago. Then, William does sometimeg that remind me that he does really love this lady. News of a meeting at Birkhall, Prince Charles’s birthday party, WM, Scotland, birthday is just what we know about tells me then they want to let everyone know that they are very much together. It’s a pattern. It is like they want their privacy, but then they want us to know that they are still very much together. One more thought-What if they announced engagement? Kate would be taken off to one of the palaces. She would be seperated from William. Moveover she would be seperated a lot from her famiily. That would be doubly hard on her.
Gracie, Senor Montalban did indeed have the body of a Greek God, and I dare say even in rigor mortis he could take on any of the young Hollywood actors of the day, particularly that (IMO) overhyped Bradley Pitt. Goodness, how I would have enjoyed a few minutes in the back of a Dodge Cordova with him, what with the supple leather and all.
Alas, I digress. BOT, SWOT and NOT. My take on the Whiskey Mist photos was that Kate seemed happy, and the glow about her whenever her prince is around is undeniable. Was that glow attributable to the Jim Beam and Coke she imbibed? Perhaps a bit. But what I mostly saw was a lovely girl with her Prince by her side, partaking of all her exciting world has to offer.
Gracie we know that it’s not over but I know what you mean. William & Kate got something up their sleeve and they must have came up with a plan not that long before he left. I don’t think Kate will spend her time hiding at home and at PP while he’s training. That would be insane. I do believe that she will busy herself with charity work or whatever she has planned to do this year but I do not believe she will spend her time hiding. William just wouldn’t do that to her and that would be totally unfair to her. I can understand that things look bad right now because we don’t know what their plans are but I get the feeling that the pieces will fall into place eventually. Things look a little dark to us right now but there will soon be light. It’s good for us to know that William & Kate will still see each other and he will have the weekends off. I just don’t believe that William would hurt this girl after she has been so good to him for seven years. I think Kate will be busy trying to get some public experience under her belt. Kate has been to some royal events but I think the public need to hear from her, see what her interest’s are and get a taste of the real Kate Middleton. Of course we know William loves this woman and we see that he has invested seven years of his life with her but I think the public needs to see what makes this woman so special to him. Over the years we had heard so much about Camilla but it wasn’t until she made that speech about osteoporosis in 2002, that we begain to see that she had a voice of her own and was fighting for a cause. Now I’m not a big fan of Camilla’s but that speech did wonders for her. Kate’s voice need to be heard and that “mystery” bubble that surrounds her needs to be busted. I mean Kate graduated from St. Andrews University, she must be very smart. That dumb name “Waity Katie” would turn into “Worky Katie” or something.
Hello,
gracie, I do believe you may have noticed something in KM’s look. I couldn’t quite work it out.
Would it be desperation because she suddenly realised something , a defensive mechanism snaps in and is reflected in the facial look, the head slightly down and eyes downcast. Is that what we saw?
The meetings with the “inlaws” may have been a council of war. I believe that PW and KM’s visit to Birkhill was hastily arranged because PW had made other arrangements for the first week in january. That and the ‘de cocooning’ of KM which seemed to be against the noshow and anti engagement policy previously followed may have been significant. The meeting at the Middleton’s house however was more predictable as it was KM’s birthday but the overnight stay may have been late night panic discussions or even a parental ‘clear the air’ between Mr M aand PW. In other words “what are your intensions for my daughter?”
Of course we don’t know but the whole 7/8 day period was slightly out of character.
Yet again, like the loyal and sympathetic Rman, we just have to wait and see but circumstantial evidence may be piling up.
That reminds me, what has happened to our lawyer poster, Trixie or something similar ?
I did notice the slant – sneer eyes look in the cab towards the paparazzo. That’s all. And with good reason.
The pervert paparazzo take pictures of Kate when she has an accidental fall at the rollerdisco, close ups et all. I would be other then embarassed – pist off. With all those headlines. You don’t spend Sandringham shoot without a care (not knowing paps) are in the country road shooting pics and she appears happy – smiling, then spend an entire evening with your boyfriend knowingly that paps will be at the doorway smiling for those same guys who give away bad pics. No way.
ked,where do you come up with this stuff? LOL. Is it not possible that these people simply ate dinner opened birthday presents,ate cake,had a few drinks and went to bed? Why does everything have to be this grand conspiracy???? SHEESH.
circumstantial evidence of what?
Here’s a little article about the Cheltenham races which Kate attends every year. Seems HM may be attending this year as well.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/article5518216.ece
I am going on a gut feeling, that’s all. Like most of you, I would have like nothing more than for PW to pull out that big, glorious, ring. Yet, he did not. I can’t imagine that if there was no engagement talk, that the Midds met w/C&C. I think it might have been their lawyers meeting instead. JMO. I believe that when ma Midds spoke to Telegraph, it might have alarmed CH that more would be said if some type of agreement was made. I am not saying that was ma Midds intention for talking to the press. She is a concerned mother as she should be. I think the whole Christmas scenario was something the press ran with and I am not quite sure if I believe it happened. It’s funny how we had so much marriage info and proposal hype and now the press has dropped it as fast as it came. Makes me a little susupicious it was not planted w/the intention to divert another story perhaps. I know one thing, if it was my father that would have spoke w/PW at the Midds, he would have come out crying and lucky to have protection w/him. I hope if that was indeed PW in that car as it was pretty fogged over, that Pa Midds gave him the third degree!
Lisa, I hope KM goes but w/the Queen being there I don’t think she will.
Seriously, I doubt there was any static between easy-going William and the equally easygoing Mr. Middleton. Men don’t usually have melodramatic discussions over personal issues like women do — they just don’t. I’m sure everyone had a good time and that Handsome James made a delicious cake.
My gut feeling is that Kate’s mother might privately be annoyed — and I say might because for all we know Kate and PW could well have an understanding that they will marry after he finishes his training — that William hasn’t proposed yet, because mothers tend to worry about this sort of thing more than the fathers. I’ll bet Carole’s probably too polite to say anything openly. But this is just a guess.
For all we know, it may have been Mr. Middleton who was chainsmoking and pacing in the kitchen, stabbing his food at the table while glaring at PW all through dinner.
But somehow I doubt that either Ma or Pa would have behaved that way. I’d guess they know give William a wide berth, and know the easiest way to win over their future son-in-law is to be charming, nice and patient — just like Kate.
gracie,alsgal, I don’t think the Middletons, or Kate for that matter are waiting for a “proposal”. I think there has been a plan in place for awhile now and it is simply a matter of timing. I believe that Mr Middleton and William would have had the “what are your intentions” talk long ago,probably while they were still at St Andrews or shortly after they graduated. I know the public and the media are waiting for that big,down on one knee “pop the question” moment complete with the velvet box and all the trimmings but I think that came and went privately and it is just a matter of when they will announce it to the public.
It’s one of those situations where they know and we don’t until they are ready to tell us. All we can do is wait.
HM does not go to Cheltenham races, she goes to Ascot. Z&M do go, as W&K have gone in the past, last year Kate went with TvS and 2 other friends.
I think Miss Middleton will be tucked into Berkshire between Family home and Work at Party Pieces. Her life will be outings to friends private homes. Her public outings will be with William.
William has weekends and evenings off, when not in training during follow up weekends and 6 weeks holidays, he has 20 royal engagement appearances confirmed by the Prince of Wales official site.
So actually its like going out with a boyfriend that lives about 2 hours apart by vehicle or 10 minutes by Helicopter.
Gracie / Ked,
Your thinking makes sense to me. I have seen a change in KM since the Sandhurst graduation.
I agree, it looks like she just learned that Santa does not exist!
I also wondered if the possibility of the Middleton’s “innocently” — of course — talking about his relationship with KM has crossed PW’s mind.
I also wondered if he would ask the Middletons to sign a confidentiality agreement.
We will all have out various interpretations, projections, beliefs about KM and PW addressed in good time. Do I sound like RMAN now?
Lisa, I doubt Mr. Middleton asked PW that sort of thing back when they graduated from St. A’s — at 23 that seems a bit premature and pushy IMO for a father to do that. Maybe by 2006/2007 though?
Let’s hope some sort of promise or arrangement has been made, as despite “all the young people doing it this way nowadays” the effective result of PW delaying making Kate his wife (and in the absence of her having any major career plans to indicate SHE is the one who needs more time) is that she has become an object of ridicule for many.
It’s unfortunate that many, even in the respected media, perceive her patience as desperation but that’s how it appears now.
Given how domestic, traditional and William-centered her life has been, I sincerely believe she would have jumped if given a ring, so I can’t help but believe the delay is on his part.
Of course, to save face she will claim that she’s happy to wait, but find me one woman who isn’t lying through her teeth when she says that and I will give you all of my Monopoly money.
Lisa I think that is just what happened. William got on his knee and gave her that ring and it possibly happened while they was up in Scotland. But they will announce it when they have the time. They will have to do a photo shoot, a press interview and put some facts out for the public. But like I said before I don’t think Kate will spend the whole time at home and at work. She may be out of the public for awhile but that won’t last long. She just need to be out and being seen doing charity work and get some patronages under her belt. Once she start to do that more, the media will start to say “OH that’s the Kate Middleton that makes William’s liver quiver” or “Oh that’s the Kate Middleton that William is so crazy about and that causes him to pass up all the other fish in the sea.” She just need to be out there and letting the true Kate Middleton show. I hope this new team at St. James’s Palace will help her and guide her. I’m sure there is a organization out there that she is interested in and it would be great for her to lend her voice to it.
Now Alsgal I agree with that. But her reward will come and this woman is earning it.
I also doubt that Kates parents have talked to him, certainly not shortly after St Andrews, that would have been much too early. I somehow doubt that they have talked to him about the marriage issue at all, it is a sensitive subject and probably KM defends PW towards her parents … if I were in KM position, I certainly would not want my parents to discuss this subject with my prince boyfriend! I would be too embarrassed.
However, I do think that they have talked to their daughter… what her plans are, if she knows what PW is up to, etc. And probably she smiles with gritted teeth, because she knows it will be useless to put pressure on PW.
At least this is what I would do.
Hmmm… Rman, I do not know – in fact, nobody knows except for them.
A secret engagement? I have never believed in that theory, because it does not really help her at all.
I really think it is same old, same old. They are together, they are happy and they take their time.
They will skype in the evening during the week and at weekends they will meet, probably at friends’ houses, and just occasionally a more public visit to the Whisky Mist etc.
I know, Rman you have the best intentions, but the new team can only include her in PW’s charity work if she is officially engaged. Everything else does not make sense. The last vS charity would have been a great opportunity – but they did not and it means that they are not engaged yet. Call me Sherlock…
Liver quiver, LOL Rman.
It would be nice if PW had proposed in Scotland, but seriously, all they’d need for an engagement announcement is a day: announcement in the courtyard in the am, interview a few hours later. No biggie. These BP people are professionals — they know the drill and have done this sort of thing a time or two before.
And just think of the damage this would have saved to both Kate and William’s reputations.
Sorry, but for Kate to be 27 with no obvious career plans, no advanced degree and no ring is starting to look a wee bit sad for someone in her price group IMO.
Oh but they argue Kate’s not ready to give up her freedom? From what, working M-F 9-5 packing boxes for her parents? Yeah, sure, I’ll buy that but does anyone think the British people will?
Kate as a Royal bride would still have plenty of time off during the Royals lengthy summer and winter holidays. I’d also bet one of the other Royals, who we are told are incredibly fond of Kate, would be happy to accompany her to a few of her first public engagements if PW cannot be there.
Also, why the heck didn’t Kate go to the Henry von Straubenzene charity bash? Isn’t brother Thomas the Official-Sanctioned-By-William-Escort? Too much fuss? Like at the Concert for Diana event? The Boodles Ball?
I don’t get that. Would have killed two birds with one stone.
I agree that nay charity work Kate does will be on her own but it could be directed her way unofficially by William’s office in an effort to set her on the best possible path ahead of any announcement.
I cannot imagine William and Mr Middleton not having some sort of conversation long ago. I’m sorry but if it was my daughter,I would be very concerned by the press attention and the privacy issues. Most parents would be. I would want to know where things stood. I just would. Whether it would be embarrassing or uncomfortable to my child would be something she would have to deal with,LOL.
Just saw your post, Chris234 — wholeheartedly agree!
Chris234,if Kate appeared at the charity function for Henry vS, it would have turned into a circus. No way she could go. And moreover, it was an official royal appearance and girlfriends cannot attend those.
I agree alsgal. The fact that she did not go to this vS charity thing shows at least to many people that there has been no development in their relationship.
“Sorry, but for Kate to be 27 with no obvious career plans, no advanced degree and no ring is starting to look a wee bit sad for someone in her price group IMO.” Yup, again, I completely agree.
However, I have to say – that is a risk she was willing to take. She cannot force him to propose to him, just because they have been together for that long. That is last century thinking.
If he decides to propose – GREAT. If not – as harsh at it may sound – tough luck.
Lisa, I think she could have at least attended the party – even though only the princes become patrons. Would have been absolutely okay. After all, this TvS is her escort if PW cannot attend. They seem to be good friends.
But she did not and this was not a good sign.
As already stated, I do think they are together. But I do not believe in any secret engagement theories.
Actually they can unofficially guide her and she needs that. I’m just saying that Kate need to be out there showing the media and public what she’s made of and even if it’s one or two charities, she can lend her voice to a cause and things will turn around. I’m not saying that she is secretly engaged but they just haven’t announced it yet, if that happened. No I don’t think Kate’s parents would have said anything after they graduated but I think in recent times they have talked and probably have talked just before he left to train. I think William & Kate have a understanding that the media and public just don’t know. I’m pretty sure she knows what’s going to happen. Of course a ring will be a surprise to her but how can it when the media is printing that it will come anyday now. The media has changed their tune about Kate and the public seem to really like her but I just think we need to see more of her doing some great things. Alsgal, it’s so obvious that she makes his Liver quiver and that she is special to him but show us alittle of that special quality that she has. Lets hear her voice or at least a couple of syllables. Her voice need to be heard on a cause.
Completely agree, Chris, that Kate has by her own free will chosen to do this, to go through this, and to take this risk. However, sometimes love makes us lose our minds and I just hope Kate’s waiting pays off for her, if what she wants is to be PW’s wife. Some of us older gals, who have also been in prestigious situations such as on the management track at Tim Horton’s, would probably tell Kate that it’s not always a good thing to put one’s life or fate completely into someone else’s hands. Sometimes these things work out, though, so I will remain hopeful for Kate that it will.
As for the vonS charity, maybe she was invited, became ill and had to stay home, but sorry, I just can’t buy the she-didn’t-go-because-it-would-have-been-a circus-theory because of Concert for Diana, Boodles, Sandhurst, Garter, etc. because those were also official public events which she attended.
For a Welsh rugby Union meeting, no I wouldn’t expect her to go to something like that w/ PW, but with these other things there has been a connection — either it was some kind of charity benefit for a mutual friend (the HvS event would certainly qualify) or Kate simply being there as William’s guest.
If they were so concerned about keeping Kate protected from the publicity onslaught, wouldn’t they have flown home separately from Aberdeen, and wouldn’t William have met Kate discreetly at a friends house for her birthday, as they have supposedly been doing for all this time we haven’t seen them together in public?
So, that makes her lack of an appearance at the HvS event seem a bit confusing imo.
Although I am sure Pippa will call her contact at Hello and clarify that Kate was at the very discreet HvS after party.
Rman, that would be great to hear a couple of syllables or heck, I’d even take a vowel at this point. Just for Kate to get out there and say, hey world, I don’t just look good, I AM good!
I am still not buying that lack of funds would be the main reason PW did not marry KM now. Many families get by on the RAF salary alone, with gifts, loans and other resources they could easily meet their expenses now.
I was wondering why Kate & Chelsy wasn’t there but I guess they just couldn’t make it. But yeah that’s what Kate needs to do. I think it was Mark Bolland who was Deputy Private Secretary to Prince Charles several years ago, helped Camilla in her public appearences and was incharge of her rehabilitation. That’s why I think this team will help her out a lot and once that happens we will understand Kate more, William more and will understand this relationship more. But that’s has to happen.The charity disco was a good idea but her next charity outting needs to be more controled and be a defining moment for her.
Alsgal, you are so right. I think it is not wise to put your life in the hands of another person. Because sadly relationships don’t work out and in the end you can only rely on yourself. I also feel it is Will holding off on marrying Kate.She has put her life on hold for him.Of course, she wants to get married and start their life together as husband and wife. I don’t buy the theory she isn’t ready. I do believe they have an agreement on their future, but alot can happen in a year. I just hope everythng works out for them and she is not disappointed in the long run.
I was very sad that there was no announcement of an engagement. I really hoped and thought there would be. Now we will have to wait and wait and wait. I so wish they would just get engaged so people would stop talking about ‘Waitie Katie” – I hate that. I just wish we knew the status of their relationship. Personally I would hate to be in Berk. with my family and not able to be in London enjoying life – dinners, theater, etc. I would think Kate must be very bored.
Alsgal we can definitely be crazy in love! But I still think that KM can walk any time she decides that she has had enough of the wait or the RF or PW or whatever. It’s her choice to stick around. I also don’t think that everyone is career driven. Not everyone want to be like CD and the drive to want to fight you way up the corporate ladder (I’m assuming that is what CD wants) KM IMO appears to want the quiet life married a couple of kids picket white fence, and if that dream keeps her happy so be it. I’d be more worried if she was age 30 and still in this situation. Princess Victoria is a worrying case. 30 years old and it looks like no intention of getting married. Rumor has it that her siblings can’t get married until she does which must be nightmarish if they are ready. PW & PH luckily are not bound by those rules.
An astrology piece on KM and PW. I personally don’t believe in these things but thought it would be amusing to everyone else.
http://www.astrodispatch.com/2009/01/15/kate-william-will-they-ever-get-married/
kd, I don’t think Kate is stuck at home and at work but she can go out. I think this year will be a good year for her and I’m eager to see what she is going to do.
Rman and PH, agreed.
A lack of money is not the excuse here.
True, what Mark Bolland did for Camilla was a PR masterpiece, for now whenever I here osteoporosis, I think Camilla=rotting bones.
Kate serving pizza in sequined spandex whilst skating — however noble the cause truly was –was not her defining moment, probably because it didn’t convey that special air of dignity and refinement that most people like to see in a future Queen. Frankly, I just can’t see the Queen of Jordan or a Princess Maxima doing something like that after they had started dating their Princes — sure, it’s fine for everyone else, just not for the fancy chicks in high places.;)
My PR advice to Kate, barring her undertaking some sort of strenuous career over the next two years, would be to stick to the Boodles types of events, and maybe do a small, discreet hands-on charity bit — tutoring children, volunteering at a hospice, etc.
This serves her well both ways: she can see if she’s got the strength to cope w/ doing boring and dutiful charitable stuff for next 60 years, or if it’s too dull, and that it’s better to marry a playboy and live on the Costa Smeralda.
Of course, it’s her life and she will do as she wishes — but I’m just saying if she wants to win the PR battle with Joe Public and be a popular Princess/Duchess these are just some basic things she can do to raise the public’s opinion of her in the meantime.
JJ, I found it interesting but put together with lots of speculation info.
My posts are so long-winded I miss all the new ones while I’m writing —
JJ, those astro forecasts are so vague that we can probably choose to believe whatever we want, and we will each be correct.
Although this is the second or third thing that’s pointing to a 2011 wedding for William — which is in keeping with the end of his training phase.
So, Kate’s stuck at home for the next two years, eh?
Listen, I’m beginning to think the only differnce between us Royal watchers and comatose patients is the IV drip. Please, wake me when something happens!
I’ll be on my lawnchair.
I agree Alsgal. I think some PR moves need to kick in for Kate but I would like to see her doing something from her heart and use the platform that she has wisely. She has some good public opinion but it needs a little kick. So weather it’s Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton or Miguel Head, they need to unofficially help her and I truly think we will see that. This team is very well put together and I hope she will benefit from this and as it was said, hopefully this has opened the big door for her to become HRH Princess William of Wales.
What you guys think about the auditions that is being held for a Kate Middleton Lookalike for ITV?
Alsgal,
LOL! Love the IV drip joke.
I know, speculating about this is getting old and fast! I wish something concrete would happen. Sigh!
Well – PW cannot propose to her so we as the public have some new entertainment. And something to talk about. Seems a bit unfair to me.
Just imagine how disappointed KM must be right now. 2009 did not have a good start.
All she can do is put on a brave face and continue following her dream.
I did see that Rman. Very interesting. I wonder what these lookalikes will well look like!!! I think it is going to be a very quiet year for KM and PW & well us too…..I guess we will have to make do with sightings of the girls here and there & the odd charity sighting of the boys..
Chris234,
Agree, 100%! Kate should follow her dreams.
Rman,
I don’t think the PR people will do any more for KM than PW has done in the past.
I think she really is the filling in the sandwich wth th Paps on one side and PW’s hatred of the Paps on the other.
Whoever was/is behind her and her family’s persecution has used PW’s well know animosity with he paps to put pressure on.
The press want stories about them and PW resents this so called intrusion into his private life so they pressurise what they consider to be his weak link in the hope of provoking a reaction from him or by association his named PR people.
I think KM will have a further difficult 4 to 6 years before PW will decide one way or another.
He has to decide one way or another but the difficulty may be that by the time he makes that decision KM may have moved on exactly like Camilla did in the 1970′s.
It’s obvious there is attraction, even love, between them but once that 30 approaches KM may decide to take whichever bird is in the hand.
She is obviously family orientated and needs her own family as opposed to her Mum and Dad’s family and may feel that the clock is ticking.
He will then feel completely let down but probably be unable to accept that it was all of his making.
A pity really that there isn’t firm parental help at hand.
I’m heading to a pub in her village this weekend- someone’s taking me there so I dont exactly know which pub it is. But I heard the food is very good. yum yum.
I’m looking forward to heading there as it is a very lovely part of berkshire.
I wonder if Kate turns up there at all sometimes?
I hope she’s happy you know, leading a normal, quiet life as much as possible.
We shall see Ked but it’s important for us not to think this couple will be doomed. Lets stay positive and by the looks of it, a plan is in place. Now Ked it may look like there is no light at the end of the tunnel but I get the feeling with this couple, there is a light for them and not all is lost. Yes Ked I think the PR people will help her. She seems to be a smart woman but sometimes you need a little help and I think she is going to get it. It’s time for Kate to come out of that shell that’s she in and show everyone what she’s made of, in the royal manner of course.
Here is the DM’s new little artical on William with his glasses on during his training.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1118285/Top-gun-William-prince-pilots-quite-spectacle.html
That’s right Rman, when we say she should show the world her stuff, we don’t mean that literally. We mean in a ladylike fashion.;)
Good news for the people of New York — the pilot of the US Airways jet managed to avoid the office buildings in Manhattan and crash landed the plane into the Hudson. All passengers are alive and accounted for.
LOL, Rman just saw the article — is that our Golden Osprey or Woody Allen flying that chopper?!
Hello,
I apologise for interrupting the conversation. I believe some of you may read the RF’s.
Today “Warren” referred to me in a post on the RF’s. In case anyone of you should come across his post and as it concerns me (or my user name), I’d like to respond here.
His post was disingenuous…. To suggest something unseemly happened behind the scenes, to provoke my banning, is false and dishonest. I sent the administrators two emails after I was banned, asking for an explanation. Neither he nor anyone else replied.
Fortunately for “Warren” ( and I presume other administrators) , it seems it is particularly easy to hide behind a false sense of forum propriety.
If it bolsters “Warren’s” sense of self and importance then by all means , he may continue to indulge in this false sense of indignation. But he must know that he is being dishonest and simply rude. He should not attach any more importance to himself by claiming there “was so much more”. It was a badly made decision to ban me.
From my first post I was speaking the truth. It is not any less true today.
Again, I do apologise for writing something off topic .
-Karagiosis
LOL, Alsgal what can you say, he needs to see.
Hmmmm….So let me see if I have this right…Warren banned you from the site and your here to tell us it was wrong of him to do that?
At the risk of calling a spade a spade…You show up on several forums,claiming not an opinion but a fact as to the intimate relationship of the future King of England. You offer no sources or supporting evidence of your claims,even though you provided time frames in which your so called information would become public and those time frames came and went like Christmas.
Like this site I am sure all opinions are welcome at RF. If you were banned,maybe it was because you were not offering opinions but false “facts” that could be considered an attempt to create a disturbance or alienated posters against one another.
As you will often hear me say to our very own beloved ked, show me the money. hit and run posts are generally not well received,especially when they are not backed up with evidence.
Good for you, Lisa. And good for Warren too. None of us are buying.
Ked,
Another excellent, insightful post!
I agree Kate may simply give up after waiting a few more years, if it takes that long. I say this because she does seem to be family oriented, she could end up like Camilla in that sense.
PH,frankly I think Kate has taken the words of the great Winston Churchill to heart and will never, ever, ever give up.
That makes her perfect future Queen material in my book: steadfast, determined, willing to continue on against all odds.
Honestly, if the Golden Osprey is walking around with specs like those on whilst training, I think Kate should have no worries about PW straying. It’s just not possible.
Alsgal,
Let’s hope all that is in her heart will never, ever be tested. Yes, I believe Kate is steadfast, determined, and willing to continue against all odds, but again, lets hope we will never know to what degree she is all of those things in relation to PW.
LOL! The not straying joke is hilarious! Thanks for my best laugh today.
Hahahahah
Alsgal quite right! I just had a look at the picture which rman posted and Wills looks well….. not very attractive.
alsgal,
WC’s actual words were:
……we will fight them on the beaches, and we will never surrender
I have thought and I see it two ways. Either William and Kate have an understanding that they will marry. That is more likely than the other thouth that I had. I cannot imagine leading your life trying to keep a low profile if an agreement hadn’t been reached. In fact, her whole family has been keeping a low profile. Why else other than a meeting of the minds occured and a plan and timetable were agreed upon by all parties. That is why they were out in public to show that they were together. The other thought is that William still has not made up his mind. If that is the case, why go out of your way to be shown in public and at her house? I would have liked to have thought that everything was all out in the open before he left concerning their future. The only thing is that we have to wait until the announcement.
Well it takes a strong couple to sit on the throne. I think The Queen herself see how strong this woman is and still able to carry on even when it seems like the world is against her. It must be due to her upbringing.
One thing that everyone has to remember is that William has not gone to prison. He has not gone to the far reaches of the world. He is what a couple of hours away. He can see Kate most weekends, call her, text, etc. Their relationship can grow even stronger. He is doing something that he loves-flying. If he is happy, that will spill over to his relationship. When the time is right, they will announce their engagement. I believe it because they do love each other. It was reported that William told Kate that she was the one when he he decided to join the SAR. I think that was reinforced over the holidays. The hard part for all of us will be to wait until things are official.(for Kate too) We can only sit back, relax, and send good thoughts to the both of them. By the way, I am hoping for an early as opposed to a later engagement.
My gut feeling is that this relationship is over, and reading some of the comments from Ked and Gracie makes me think, that the relationship has ended, but it is not in the best interests of the RF to have that released while PW starts his career. It would take away any positive spin the RF would chose to use to promote his time in the SAR.
Something about those sightings recently makes me wonder if it done more for PR purposes than the two of them being actually together in that sense.
I starting to wonder if the two were even together over the holidays. We have no idea when those photos could have been taken, maybe last year. Plus, it does not help that “look-a-likes” have been used for the DM for special assignments. My words, don’t quote me. I think the photos of KM and PW in Rover leaving WM before Christmas were acurate, but thought they looked strained. I think their time has come and I just wish that KM would find herself a hot man and get out of wanting to be in the RF.
I think they looked tierd and hated that their trip had to end. Or they just wore each other out, joking. But no the relationship is not over.
But Kate was smiling in one photo. I wonder how Chelsy feel that Harry is about to leave?
I agree she should find herself a new man, someone who has the time for her in his life. I just don’t think William does have the time for her in his life.
Those recent activities between the two just seem staged to me.
Why must they have an “understanding” that they will marry? Surely that understanding is the same in every relationship: “I love you, you love me, if we love each other enough and when the time is right we will get married”. Do you really think William has sat down and said “Now I’m not ready to get married, I have a lot I want to do first, but wait for 18 months and then we will”. That does not make sense to me because how is anyone supposed to know how they will feel in 18 months. William is going to do new things, meet new people and probably grow as a person over the next 18 months. I have never ever ever heard of a couple who agree to marry like that. Most couples will say “I’m just not ready for marriage at the moment, but I do love you” and then will wait and see because love is very unpredictable.
I do think that they are together but bear in mind I have been on holidays with a male friend before; we went to his villa in Barbados for 2 weeks but we were not dating we were just very close friends. So it is always a possibility, although unlikely at the moment IMO.
B, be patient some light will come to all of this and these two must have a plan set out.
Conspiracies,stages sightings,PR stunts??? Are we serious? Come on now. I have heard of over analyzing but this is getting downright silly. We are picking apart facial features taken in a fraction of a second, trying to find something where there is nothing.
The fact is,this is their personal lives,maybe we all need to remember that and stop trying to get too much into their personal business. The press is bad,but what I am reading on the internet is far far worse as far as invasion of privacy.
Just a question how come just recently we saw pics with William with glasses at the airport not so long ago, and now we are getting stories about how William has been waering them for awhile?
Well, that’s funny — both BRW and RA were down at the same time, and came back on at the same time. Odd.
I agree, they seem very much together even if PW isn’t willing to marry her yet.
While I personally don’t understand why Kate is willing to take a backseat to his career with very little visible benefit to herself at the moment (unless she is just living to tape up boxes at PP) she is apparently quite content to do just that. Or, content enough — as she would/could have walked away.
I think it’s just as simple as that, two people in love, the male is not ready for marriage, no great conspiracy there — happens all the time.
Once enough of PW’s friends get married, I’ll bet he will decide it’s time, too.
We can see by his famous statement (though the poor boy was what, only 22 when he said it?) about “not getting married until I’m 28-30″ that he thought of marriage as a concept, not a person, rather more of a milestone defined by time and not a specific person.
At least the way he spoke about it, it sounded like one more box to tick, as a true romantic would have likely stated, “I’ll get married when I find the right person.”
JMO.
Lisa, I know it’s crazy. Bloggers like to pick William & Kate apart till there’s nothing left. Everything must be analyzed from the way they smiled to the way he or she looked away. It’s getting way beyond silly, it’s getting dumb. They even called his recent visit to her home a “Booty Call.” I have read some of those post’s and I just have to say that it is all very horrible. Yeah Alsgal, I think people took what he said too seriously and he was only 22 at the time. Now he’s growing older with the girl he met in college.
Seriously Rman, who would have a booty call at their girlfriend’s family home? With Ma and Pa downstairs undfer the creaky floorboards, and Sister gossiping on the phone in her bedrooom next door? It’s not like he couldn’t afford a hotel, or doesn’t have a friend or a Royal apartment where they could have met up.
It seemed obvious to me that the visit to Bucklebury was hardly a booty call, but a statement. A statement to the world that, “I dig this chick, I dig her parents, and I dig their party planning ways so much that I’m there to celebrate along with them.”
Seriously, I’ll bet the only ones in that house who were gettin’ it on during the night of January 9th were James’ pet squirrels.
If everyone worried about “what if’s” then no one would get married. That’s the point of getting married is to build a life together and let the pieces fall were they may. PW being who he is and having to get permission to marry makes it almost impossible to have traditional marriage. It might not be over, but looks like PW got alot to concentrate on if this is what he really wants to do.
That’s true, Gracie — and this extreme caution on PW’s part is sometimes hard for me to understand. Everyone says they both must be fine with the delay, and they probably are, but it is certainly not putting Kate or her family in a good spot during the looooong wait. They have been subject to much ridicule and innuendo and we all know that wouldn’t have happened to the same extent if Kate had had the full protection, as a Royal wife, of the Palace.
It seems like the Middletons aren’t getting the same kind of backup or advice as Sophie did, at least based on the Vanity Fair and Belle Robinson articles, and that is just not right IMO. Events like the skating party also prove to me Kate had not been getting much advice from CH, at least up to that point. Day glo/disco/serving pizza? Doesn’t sound like something a Mark Bolland type would have suggested.
I do hope this year will find official movement behind the scenes on their behalf, and especially Kate’s.
That said, I have seen many a confirmed bachelor suddenly turn into the happiest of wedding planners when, for whatever reason, he just decides he’s met the right girl and his enthusiasm outweighs his natural doubts. Why this hasn’t happened with this couple, and why they have had their share of wobbles (not all long term couples do) is a bit of a mystery to me, as they do seem rather comfy together.
I guess the romantic in me would like to think William should be happy to put his loyal and loving girl’s wishes ahead of his own, just to make her happy. Lots of men do that, even rich and powerful ones.
But Princes are known for putting their own needs ahead of their loved ones.
Alsgal, totally agree. Wonder if CD has returned to Leed’s yet? No photos of her on campus recently.
LOL, alsgal I know what you mean but on those sites they just like to be mean and nasty.
That is what Kate needs a Mark Bolland type that will help her. Even though I just know they will walk down that isle W&K. It seem like Sweden’s Prince Carl Philip is about to take a two-year course at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences (SLU). You not getting these young Prince’s to settle down easily, lol. But this is a new generation of royals and they seem to be able to hold on to long term relationships without getting married quickly. Which is good to bulid a solid relationship but I get the feeling that these modern royals are trying avoid horrible divorces in the future by taking things one day at a time. Back in the olden days of royalty, royals got married so fast without having something solid in the relationships first.
Rman, now you know I’d gladly make Carl-Philip my second husband
but I wonder if it’s true that many Swedish people have a more liberal outlook towards marriage than many other nations? So, their Royals might be able to “get away with” not being married. Not that there is anything wrong with living together, but I think the laws of royal succession everywhere still require for the parents to be married when the kid is born? I don’t know much about the SRF but does anyone know if their Monarch is head of all the Lutherans in Sweden?
The Queen being the Defender of the Faith in the Church of England probably keeps anyone too close to the throne from being able to live too modernly, at least until they’ve reproduced and provided an heir and a spare. At least I’d think so.
PW is still 26. If he was 36, people and the Queen should be worried. But with 26 – people are rarely ready to marry. And if he feels that he needs to accomplish a few things beforehand, careerwise I mean, then I can fully (!) understand this. I do not think PW wants to be mean or anything towards KM.
Just as a comparison: Prince Albert of Monaco is over 50, catholic and still did not manage to commit to one woman and to produce an heir. THIS guy is worrying.
I am aware it must be tough for KM, because obviously she feels ready, but really, both have to feel ready.
Just a quick side comment: Monaco needs a MALE heir to stay independant from France. Otherwise it will go back to France and the tax paradise is over.
Something like this. So for Monaco, this really matters.
And we should also keep in mind that PW marriage did not go too well and he probably has a few scars from that. It is lovely – and almost a miracle – to see that he is able to enjoy a longterm loving relationship. We should not ask too much of him with 26.
Ooops, I mean his (PWs) parents marriage
I think the succession rules in Monaco were changed so that Caroline and her children are Albert’s heirs, and France signed-off on this.
Phoebe, you might be right. I am not up to date anymore.
Anyway, still this Prince Albert as a prince and leader and role model …. does not really work, does it?
Like I always say Chris234, it will happen when it happens. They will get married soon or later.
I have always wondered what Kate’s voice sounds like because for nearly seven years we have not heard this womans voice. But here is a video from Hola.com and I think you can hear her saying something.
http://www.hola.com/videos/casasreales/2006/12/15/kate-middleton-trabajo-londres/?hist=1
No, Albert is not a very good role model. He’s always struck me as a fish out of water, a real American frat-boy type in the midst of old world Europe. Caroline is much more European in outlook. Has gorgeous children, too, although that’s neither here nor there.
Did anyone hear Kate’s voice in the video?
Can’t hear much over that idiot taking the video.
The Swedish royal family are very strange. I think I have read an article or two which states that Victoria had an eating disorder and had a lot of problems growing up. I think I mentioned earlier in the string that the King is very conservative and will not allow the other children to marry before Victoria which much cause tension if the other are ready to marry. Carl Phillip has been with his girlfriend for 10 years. Victoria for 6…. Who knows if they will ever get married. As for Prince Albert who knows what will happen with him. He is 50 YEARS old! & he has been dating Charlene for 2 years & doesn’t look any closer to proposing to her either. Eternal bachelor that one…. PW reminds me of one of my guy friends who had been scarred very badly from his parents divorce. Alsgal made a good point when she said the way he described marriage made it seem almost like a burden. Lets hope once Jecca and the van cutsem brother have been married off that he will not be so afraid (if indeed he actually is) of the wedding march!
The demographics of this site are….changing.
Prince William and Kate are not platonic.
Prince William and Kate are dating.
Prince William and Kate will get married TO EACH OTHER when they are good and ready.
This place is sounding like other sites more and more. And that’s not a good thing.
Rman, no I couldn’t hear her voice. There is a video of Kate and Pippa getting into a cab after leaving a nightclub. Very short video, when Pippa was still dating JJ. You can barely hear one of their voices in that video. Sorry, I don’t have a link but it shouldn’t be too hard to find.
Yeah, Guest we are trying our best to make this site different from the others. Yeah I saw that video and one of them said something, I just don’t know who. But it is amazing that we don’t know what her voice sound like after all these years.
I agree Rman. It’s a credit to her.