Book: Kate Middleton – Princess In Waiting
With her glossy dark hair, classic looks, natural appearance and cut-glass accent, Kate Middleton displays all the poise and breeding expected from the wife of the heir to the throne. Sophisticated beyond her years, as well as academically gifted, Kate has charmed William’s louche circle of friends as well as the House of Windsor.
Yet behind her polished veneer lies the extraordinary tale of an impoverished working-class family that overcame deprivation and adversity to rise to the upper echelons of society.
Claudia Joseph has spoken to members of Kate’s family and friends, who have provided an intriguing insight into the extraordinary journey her family has made from the mining villages of Durham to an apartment in the royal residence of Clarence House.
Drawing on exclusive interviews and containing previously unpublished photographs, this is an authoritative account of Kate Middleton’s life so far.
Available now from Amazon – Kate: Kate Middleton – Princess in Waiting
March 30th, 2009 04:11
oh no…
March 30th, 2009 04:28
Surely there are parts to this book that are more interesting then the crimes of Kate’s great great great,you get the point grandfather,lol. Thankfully the comments on the DM site following this article are largely in favor of Kate.
The Telegraph is also reporting on this article with a bit less of a tabloid view.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/5075000/Biographer-traces-Kate-Middletons-ancestry-to-Holloway-Prison.html
March 30th, 2009 05:59
i would deffinelly buy that book
March 30th, 2009 06:14
Hi Guys,
When Willam and Kate broke up in early 2007 many stories were printed in the press and one inferred that William’s friends and relatives (RF) acted in a snobbish manner by sotto vice comments to irresponsible tales.
The Palace (or similar) refuted these allegations but the friends never really said that they were true or untrue.
The reasons why this couple are not engaged or married have not been reasonably explained by Palace or friends so is it possible that events and facts referred to in this recent publication have been known to them for some time.
If so is it these revelations that is causing possible friction between William and his family
(his earlier reluctance to perform at Royal events and his reason to go against them by entering into RAF service) and preventing him making his position with Kate public. Despite his being over 25 years old he probably still needs the Queens approbation to marry a person who will be a future Queen, as her absence from his wedding would be tantamount to a Royal snub.
Without any sort of official staement or acknowledgement from Royal sources isn’t the future and the status of Royalty in the 21C being put under pressure. Even an official, no William is not getting married for x years would put an end to the unkind and damaging speculation and do away with the rumour, counter rumour and downright nastyness we are getting at present.
There again has the Palace seen this family history and are using stalling tactics in the hope that natural occurrrances will put
a stop to this relationship. Perhaps they should take into consideration their own histories and review their ancestral activities before passing judgment
March 30th, 2009 07:50
Poor Catherine!! i know she’s hate this book!! she’s ever said that she doesn’t want all people have opinion of her to be princess in waiting!! she’s hate that “words”, let me guess, are she buy that book??
March 30th, 2009 08:32
Hello! mariskaagusta, I think you are wrong. It’s not really offensive to be called princess in waiting. It’s flattering actually. As we know (from tabloids) Kate did not like when our press called her that silly and nasty Waity Katie.
March 30th, 2009 08:46
And my humble two cents. It is so strange, that about a year or so ago the press was claiming break news about Kate’s royal ancestors. Now the same but in absolutely different direction – common working-class great great grandies. Making news while KM is staying behind the limelight?
March 30th, 2009 10:39
I could not care less to know who her ancestors were. And unless an engagement is coming soon, the book is pointless and probably not a success.
In fact, I hope for Kate that this book will not be a success, because this would discourage others to write further books (= invent sth about her).
They are so desperate for sth to write about.
March 30th, 2009 10:55
I’m sure this is a good book and we are going to learn more about her ancestry sooner or later. Even on the day of the wedding, Royal Correspondents will give out facts about her and her family. We can’t know who Kate is if we don’t know where she came from. This is not a bad thing but a good thing. There are many commoners that has married into the royal family but a commoner marrying the second in line to the throne is a big deal to many.
March 30th, 2009 11:24
there is nothing new in this book
stories about km’s ancestors’ mining background and so forth were reported in detail
in several newspaper articles quite a while back
if anything in km’s family background has kept pw from taking the final step toward proposing, then what does that say about him?
March 30th, 2009 11:32
anastasia, we don’t know if this has kept William from getting down on one knee. If so he would have let her go long ago. This guy is still with her despite what people say about her and her family. That’s the message people need to start paying close attention to. This book is just not focused on her family background.
March 30th, 2009 11:53
One thing I notice about William is that he don’t try to change Kate, he simply let her be herself. Some people complain about the short dresses that she wear when they are out and I’m sure if he had a problem with it, he would let her know that short dresses or skirts just won’t do. He just don’t seem to care about her non-royal background. It’s like he is trying to let the media and public know that he’s not dumb or a child, he knows how to handle his private life. So one of her relatives from the past went to jail, the royals wish that’s the only thing some of their ancestors did wrong.
March 30th, 2009 12:44
Hi Rman I agree
It has taken what almost 7 years for them to dig that up and that is the worst they could go a great great whatever??? I mean serioulsy it is so silly and shows how desperate they are. At this point the RF are lucky to have someone who is relatively blemish free from what appears to be a stable home who loves William and who we assume loves her right back. I means seriously what more do they really want????
March 30th, 2009 13:01
Hi JJ, the most important things gets tossed out of the window and gossip is just more interesting. The important things are love and support. It seem like William is looking for that instead of the petty things the media tries to dig up. It’s important that her family history becomes public knowledge now because if she marries William and they bring this stuff up, the Palace won’t be spending their time trying to straighten things out. For example President Obama wrote his biography before he ran for President, so everything would be out in the open and nothing would be a total surprise while he’s in office. Kate comes out clean and that ticks some people off.
March 30th, 2009 13:10
Speaking of Obama, our President and First Lady will be heading for Britain soon. I can’t wait to see Her Majesty with our new President.
March 30th, 2009 13:23
I wonder how they (the DM, Telegraph, and author of this book) know that the Edward Glassboro who was in Holloway prison is the one who is KM’s GGGF. From the articles, it seems that all the author has to go on is the same name.
March 30th, 2009 13:36
Rman, I imagine she will be as thrilled to meet him as he was to meet PM. Maybe he’ll give her a box set of DVD’s that she can’t play! I hope he manages to find something more appropriate to give the Queen. I wonder if they will even curtsey? Doubt it, British Colonialism and all. Probably just the usual “fist punch.” I hope he does not make a fool of the U.S. I’d rather him fix our economy!
March 30th, 2009 13:46
Well locksmithoflove, U.S Presidents and U.S Fist Ladies don’t bow and curtsey to a Monarch, that’s against protocol. President Obama is a very well educated man with a sense of humor and the DVD thing was a down to earth gesture towards PM Brown. Since this is not a State Visit by our President to Britain, I don’t think there will be an exchange of gifts but they may give Her Majesty a thank you gift.
March 30th, 2009 13:47
Sorry I meant (First Ladies).
March 30th, 2009 13:52
Rman, i don’t think KM’s skirts are too short, do you?
the one time i did think this was that cornflower blue dress she wore to accompany PW to the whiskey (?), her first appearance in months….that was too short
but typically, her hem lengths look just right and age appropriate
March 30th, 2009 14:02
I don’t know much about women’s fashion but no I don’t think they are too short. I like seeing her legs.
March 30th, 2009 14:05
ps:
locksmith of love:
please do not make political comments on this blog, please!
your comments about our great president, Obama, were uncalled for and gratuitous and very negative
our great President Obama is someone the world looks up to and admires
March 30th, 2009 14:37
Anastasia,
Your comment is political also. Please don’t tell others not to make political comments that you don’t like, and then make political comments of your own. There are many opinions about the US president, and not everybody thinks he’s great (me, for one).
March 30th, 2009 14:53
ursula:
it is not a political comment to ask another poster to stop making gratuitious and negative political comments about some political leader
out of the blue, some very negative political comments were posted
this goes against the intent and spirit of these blogs, at least that is my understanding
my post’s intent was to ask someone to stop making political comments
there are plenty of political blogs, of all stripes, for folks who want to post political comments
my belief is this is not one of them
March 30th, 2009 15:08
BRW, then I ask that we keep politics off of this website. Not everyone agrees in the “greatness” of Obama in the U.S., my reply was in response to one that was posted. If I want to hear about Obama, I’ll watch MSNBC. I don’t want to hear about him on a royal blog. End of story!
March 30th, 2009 15:32
Hello,
Well if it’s not the trashing of KM it now seems we are trashing politicians. This is so not the pleasant homely site it was , how has it happened?
Why has it happened?
I can’t even think of a suitable comment!
Bye now
March 30th, 2009 16:26
Ked,
Thank you for stating the obvious. While tempted to migrate to kinder, warmer shores, I decided to simply ignore posters who are more interested in controversy than conversation.
The principal signs off
March 30th, 2009 16:42
Ked welcome back.
March 30th, 2009 16:48
Ked, happy to see your have returned! What royal news/views do you have for us today?
March 30th, 2009 16:51
Ked, glad you are back.
March 30th, 2009 17:16
That’s right — welcome back, Ked.
Re: Keeping this board friendly. Alsgal is all for it, and that seems best achieved by avoiding politics beyond the for-or-against KM kind.
Her Majesty has taken this approach her whole life long and it has served her very well indeed.
Alsgal is sure the Queen will be a most gracious hostess, and that she will take extra pains so as not to offend anyone on either side of the political spectrum.
She needs only to look at the example of her late Uncle, the Duke of Windsor, as a potent reminder of what can go wrong when one gets mired or “caught up in” the political issues of the day (see Duke of Windsor, Historical Visits, 1937.) Even when a fellow seems terribly popular in his home country.
March 30th, 2009 17:16
Ked, what is your take on the French Alps trip?Karagosis says they invited themselves. I don’t understand why PW remains to be seen w/KM if they are through.
March 30th, 2009 17:17
Ked, how are you? Were you in Italy?
Mathilde, thanks for providing that link.
Hey guys, I know its a different thread, but that Austalian story about William speaking to a reporter for the NOTW, sorry, but I think the Aussies made it up as the story isn’t in the NOTW. The link Mathilde provided is the SBS story.
As for the book, frankly it sounds boring. The author has tried to spice it up by discovering one of Kate’s relatives were in prison. Is that the best the author could do?
As for those comments who think this accounts for the delay in W & K marrying, well think again.
If my history serves me correctly, Elizabeth I was also imprisoned by her sister Mary.
Charles I was also imprisoned, and later beheaded. Oh yeh, almost forgot, George III went mad, which means the Windsors have a streak of insanity in the family. Am I making my point?
William himself said he doesn’t want to marry before 28/30, and he choose to train with the RAF to avoid marrying K, he is in the RAF to avoid his royal duties.
In so far marriage is concerned, I don’t expect an announcement until late June/July next year.
March 30th, 2009 17:18
So Kate is related to Guy Ritchie.
http://www.theroyalist.net/content/view/4501/1/
March 30th, 2009 17:20
My apologies, should have checked my comments before posting it.
What I was trying address are those posters who say W elected to train with the RAF in order to avoid marrying K. I disagree. In my opinion W elected to train with the RAF in order to avoid his royal duties. Totally different thing altogether.
March 30th, 2009 17:20
Alsgal, so true. I think it’s Philip that the Queen might be worried about. You never know what he will say! Has Jecca had her wedding, someone on the other site said it was this week?
March 30th, 2009 17:24
Rman, thanks for the link. Interesting, I wonder if KM knows she’s related. Funny that PW just went to his pub.
March 30th, 2009 17:32
Richard Kay’s column is intresting. There’s a bit about Earl Spencer, and William attending the funeral of the father of his former nanny Tiggy Legge-Bourke.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165696/Third-time-lucky-Earl-Spencer.html
So now W has been skiing, attended a wedding in Kenya and then the funeral. Do you think W will return to RAF training?
March 30th, 2009 17:46
Rman,
With the Ritchie connection being something like 4th cousin twice removed on the left side, I doubt either ever new of it.
March 30th, 2009 17:47
They may not but I thought it was interesting anyway.
March 30th, 2009 17:51
Hale, no. That sounds funny! I was looking at Wenn and they have video shoot pics of Pierre Lewis new video “Gone.” I never heard of him until he mentioned KM and he went to school w/her, anyway the model he uses in the video looks similiar to KM. I remember he told the paper to tell KM to watch the new video and call him. Poor KM, now some dude from school who had a crush on her, gets a brunette model to wear nothing but a white shirt and black undies for his video, is it a tribute to KM? Does she not know anyone who just becomes carpenters? He’s made such a big deal about this crush he has on her that I pray this song does not shed anymore of his feelings for her!
March 30th, 2009 17:53
Rman, it was interesting! LOL
March 30th, 2009 17:53
Rman,
… what is just too too much is the book!
I knew you were joking
March 30th, 2009 17:57
Hale,
I know… my friends in the armed forces never had that much time to spend with me (or could they be lying!!!)
This is the first I heard of him going to Kenya. That also would also be too too much!
March 30th, 2009 18:00
oops… meant to say “could have been lying”
The thought is enough to make me shake and typo
March 30th, 2009 18:05
welcome back, Ked!
March 30th, 2009 18:12
LOL, Gracie I just saw the video and I don’t blame the guy from having a crush on her. the woman is beautiful and seem to be very nice. I think he should be careful though, William might look him up in the Tower. I don’t think the video was meant for her though, lol.
March 30th, 2009 18:52
Did Kate attend Jecca Craig’s wedding? I haven’t found anything about a wedding. Does anyone have any details?
March 30th, 2009 19:02
Kat there is no info out about Jecca’s wedding yet, I don’t think.
March 30th, 2009 19:19
She married or will marry in London.
March 30th, 2009 19:26
or in Norfolk (Hugh has taken over his daddy’s estate)
March 30th, 2009 21:49
This is the most pointless book ever. Why would anybody even think of buying it?
Kate Middleton hasn’t done ANYTHING to change the world, except date a prince and be called Waity Katy(or however you spell it) and even THAT hasn’t made the slightest impact in the world. I am not a hater, but why in the world would they write a book about her? What’s there to write about? What are her accomplishments? In what ways has she positively contributed to the community?
I see/know plenty of people of privileged means who are actively involved in charities and helping people of less privileged means out.
If she is to become our next queen, I(and the rest of the British population) would really, I mean REALLY, would love to see her doing all of the above.
March 30th, 2009 21:52
HAHAHAHAHA
YOU CAN’T BE SERIOUS RIGHT?!
March 30th, 2009 22:00
I have a book at home called housekeepers dairy it is a book written by a house keeper at Highgrove talking about Diana and Charles and what went wronge.
March 30th, 2009 22:31
I believe the book highlights Kate and her family. She is the longtime companion Prince William and most likely will become his wife so I think the book gives some info on her and her family’s past. Since the book is coming out, there has been a few insights released to promote the book but I don’t think we know everything that’s in the book so I look forward to reading it. But the main book that I look forward to reading is William & Kate: Celebrating a Royal Romance by Robin Nunn. It’s due to be released on May 1st.
March 30th, 2009 22:42
I was thinking tonight as I watched about the upcoming meeting in London. It is reported that the Queen will meet with our President. Then I thouught what if our first lady would want to meet Kate. How would the RF, British population react? I know that this is all make believe. Would the people have an outcry because Kate is only dating the prince? Would they view the ivitation as honor on both of their parts? I think that people have Kate in a catch 22 position. They expect her to do great things. Meanwhile that same population of people would say how dare she get involved in doing things designated for the royals. There you have her problen. We also do not know what she does Behind closed doors. The best thing that would happen is PW clarrifying their position with each other. I respect Kate for her restraint. She is waiting patiently until
there is her time to act with the RF.
March 31st, 2009 00:01
JTH,
I also own a copy of the Housekeeper’s Diary and I don’t see the connection you see between it and the new book on Kate Middleton.
Rman,
I also believe that there is a good chance these two will marry.
March 31st, 2009 00:43
I dont see what is so special about KM other than her dating PW. If she was not dating PW she would be like any other regular girl from the road. She has not done anything extraordinary so that someone will write a book about her. Princess Diana was extraordinary not because she married PC but because all the things she did for the people. But KM? what has she done?
She is not even royal yet and dont know whether she will be one day.
March 31st, 2009 01:27
I sincerely hope William Marries her. I think this book is an indication that he will. Not because of the title or anything but when the couple broke up in 2007 it was supposedly because Charles suggested it was make or brake time. If William was not going to marry the girl would the palace really allow a book of this nature be published OR involve Kate in high profile events, eg. TWO royal weddings and williams passing out parade. It would be a disaster for Kate if he doesn’t marry her. With a book like that in circulation who would want the Royal reject?????
PS i am PRO kate
March 31st, 2009 01:45
Danielle
this book does not mean anything.
Why would you say that this book is an indication that PW and KM will marry when this publisher most likely has no connection with the RF and does not know anything about PW’s and KM’s relationship? The publisher might know about KM’s personal life but I doubt it she knows anything about KM’s relationship with PW. Or do you really think that the Royal family has discussed with this publisher about KM and PW getting married for you to say that this book is an indication that they will marry? So far I know the royal family does not comment on PW’s private life.
the royal family cant prevent publishers from advertising books. So if they are not interfering it is because they have no right to do so.
I however agree with you when you say that KM attending royal events may be indication that she will marry PW, but still, this should not say that much about them marrying in the future because although they might be planning to marry right now, this can change in the future. So we dont know whether they will marry or not.
March 31st, 2009 02:03
** BRW – Comment removed. **
March 31st, 2009 02:18
I am looking forward to see the Queen and President Obama tomorrow. There will be G20 banquet in the Buckhingham Palace on Wednesday evening and I’m wondering if William has asked grandmother if he can participate.It would be good practice and also a chance to meet Obamas.( I would ask and wouldn’t miss a chance.)
March 31st, 2009 02:38
kelly, please keep your comments respectful or take them elsewhere.
March 31st, 2009 02:54
what did she say?
March 31st, 2009 03:04
As mentioned a few days ago – please no discussion of politics – it’s too much of a hot potato.
I will scan the comments as usual and completely remove offending posts. I will also remove any comments referring to the initial comment – so don’t bother replying to it (if you follow my drift…)
With regards to negative comments about Kate – please don’t respond in a hostile manner – this only makes it worse. Just ignore these posts and if you feel that strongly about them you can report them to me via email for review.
britishroyalwedding (at) gmail (dot) com
March 31st, 2009 03:04
teresa, it won’t be discussed further. ta.
March 31st, 2009 04:40
To BRW,
So you mean to say, this website is supposed to be only for PRO KATE? No wonder why I do not see “real” or ANTI-KATE comments except the obsessions of PRO KATE. You might even delete this message.
I also cannot find my critique about KM anymore. I am guessing it was deleted because it criticizes Kate a lot. Hmmmm…
March 31st, 2009 05:03
Hi recognizable,
I prefer to run a site that isn’t as negative as some others. If you search around you’ll find them – you’d probably be much happier there…
There have only been two of your comments deleted – one was a personal attack on another commentator. The other was clearly inflammatory.
I think it’s best if you don’t comment on this site again…
March 31st, 2009 05:33
when is the wedding of jecca craig
March 31st, 2009 05:44
Well done BRW. This site needs to stay as it is without nasty comments. It is the place to be if you approve of the PW and KM relationship. There are plenty of other sites that are happy to knock KM.
March 31st, 2009 06:03
The troll train has arrived.
And my repeated warnings about the direction of this site over the past few months have come to pass, as I knew with the certainty that day will turn to night. I am vindicated.
Rigidly enforce your decency standards at this site the same way less laudable standards have been enforced at other, less charitable sites…
BAN!! BAN!! BAN!!
March 31st, 2009 06:07
# ked
March 30th, 2009 15:32 26
“Hello,
Well if it’s not the trashing of KM it now seems we are trashing politicians. This is so not the pleasant homely site it was , how has it happened?
Why has it happened?
I can’t even think of a suitable comment!
Bye now”
Quite agree Ked. Welcome back. Stick around, it will get better.
March 31st, 2009 06:20
OK, we’ve all seen what’s happened so let’s get the discussions back on topic please…
Thanks!
March 31st, 2009 08:17
“Kate Middleton” is a magic word that attracts attention or sells paper. However there is no book about Kate, so it’s nice to be the first isn’t it?
I wonder if Kate has tried to stop publishing the book yet “freedom of speech” would block her or she ignored it as the RF usually does….
March 31st, 2009 10:30
Ambiguously, the only other book Alsgal can recall was the Jobson book from 3 years ago which chronicled the love story that is William and Kate. And a fabulous tome it is — have read it many, many times whilst lounging on the lawnchair enjoying a Tim Horton’s (or two or eight.)
Alsgal is awaiting the new book by the esteemed author Claudia Joseph with outrageous anticipation and have forewarned Clarence, who is Alsgal’s UPS man, that this time, with this particular delivery — and with only this particular delivery — Alsgal will not be available to “sign here” if you know what I mean.
Not to worry, as Alsgal has promised Clarence that next week, Clarence and Alsgal will be back on the regular “delivery schedule.”
March 31st, 2009 10:51
Alsgal, you ruined my facial mask!
March 31st, 2009 11:35
ambiguously fat,
I think your screen name is fab
I had a good laugh about it 
March 31st, 2009 11:41
alsgal, one can submit unsolicited manuscripts to the op-ed page of the ny times….
you, personally, could take probably any topic and spin the most hilarious and (sometimes) biting essay on it….it would give maureen cause to worry
March 31st, 2009 12:00
Now this is a artical about William & Kate with a 2010 idea. Do anyone know how to translate this?
http://www.svenskdamtidning.se/Sites/SvDam/Default____17075.aspx?DataID=82552
March 31st, 2009 12:02
Regarding Lewis’s (52) comment about Kate “has not done anything” – Princess Diana did nothing before she married PC. Dont’ get me wrong -I am a huge Princess Diana fan, but really, why attack Kate? Can she help it that she fell in love w/a prince? I am sure once she marries PW she will make a difference – she has some big shoes to follow. I personally believe that KM & PW are enjoying their time right now, becuase when they finally marry – their lives are going to be crazy. It will be Diana mania all over again.
March 31st, 2009 12:15
basically I think it’s saying that there could two weddings next year, William & Kate’s and Victoria & Daniel’s.
March 31st, 2009 12:16
kd,it will be Diana mania all over again only worse. I sometimes feel sorry for her.(kate)
March 31st, 2009 12:25
kd I agree. Diana really set a standard for royal women and for that title Princess of Wales. Even though Kate will get that title way down the line, people are going to expect her to do what Diana did. I get the feeling that the royal team will work with her so she could get involved in different things and take up just a little of Diana’s work but to distance her from being compared to the late princess. I guess that is going to be hard because she may marry Diana’s son. I remember Sophie remarked in her interview before her wedding that she may look like Diana a little but she and Diana were different people with different interest. Kate may have to say the samething.
March 31st, 2009 12:32
Rman,I agree. Kate will need to address the Diana issue head on. All she needs to say is that Diana did amazing things and no one will ever replace her but that does not mean her work cannot be continued and honored by her sons and their wives etc…
March 31st, 2009 12:43
It’s going to be a challenge for Kate because she is not even married yet and people think there shouldn’t be any book written about her due to her lack of community service to the country. What people has to understand that once Kate marries William, she will have a royal platform to perform on and the causes that she want to get involved in will get the proper help it needs. Diana didn’t start to do great things until she was married, Princess Mary didn’t do great things until she was married as well. So lets give Kate some space and time because after that big weeding that we are all hoping for is over, a load of new challenges will come her way and she is going to need the publics support behind her.
March 31st, 2009 12:49
I agree Lisa, she is going to need to address that head on so there is no confusion but I think she will take on some causes that Diana worked on. She probably will establish a strong connection to the military since her future husband is involved with it. Kate will be fine and she will have William there to help her out and guide her.
March 31st, 2009 12:57
Kate is voted to be one of the top ten natural beauties in the UK.
http://tinyurl.com/d3dcto
March 31st, 2009 13:18
Okay here is the swedish artical translated.
http://tinyurl.com/c2pwpu
March 31st, 2009 14:21
LOL, I know I’m providing you guys with lots of links but I’m on a break from work so I’m just finding some interesting things.
The Earl & Countess of Wessex was spotted at a Meribel ski resort. In the pictures, you can see the royal couple behind the people who took the pictures. They said that Lady Louise was acting up a bit, lol.
http://tinyurl.com/cycolo
March 31st, 2009 14:34
Isn’t Meribel where the MIddletons and PW were?
March 31st, 2009 14:37
A double wedding! What a thought.
March 31st, 2009 14:50
Rumours around here are that KM will be at BP tomorrow evening for dinner with USA President. I wonder?
March 31st, 2009 14:51
Redlady, I actually highly doubt that.
March 31st, 2009 15:44
Relady, it would be nice if they came together but I think Craig/Crossley wedding was this week. Either they have already had the wedding and PW will attend BP dinner?
March 31st, 2009 16:16
Yeah it would be nice if she went to the BP dinner.
March 31st, 2009 16:31
Rman, thanks for those links. As for that Sweedish article, once again it quotes the NOTW. Unbelieveable so many news agencies are getting it wrong. There was no article in the NOTW.
With regards to Claudia Josephs book about Kate. To those posters who do not see the relevance of this book I shall say we all have our different opinions.
In my opinion this book, along with Robin Nunn’s book was supposed to be the start of a PR campaign.
Do not forget, last year it was expected William would take up royal duties and I daresay marriage was on the cards also. William scuppered this when he announced his intention to train with in SAR.
I happen to think both these books are noteworthy. With regards to the Claudia Joseph book it is said Kates family co operated with this book. As for Robin Nunns book, he is supposed to be a royal insider. I suspect they have been held up for publication because of re-writes.
I think it is unfair to say Kate isn’t worthy of a book written about her, as I recall when Diana married Charles books were also released about Diana at the time of the marriage. They too didn’t offer any great insights.
I too am a Diana fan. However, in all honesty would we have even heard of her if she had not married the Prince of Wales? I very much doubt it. Chances are, Diana would have done the same things other girls of her background did, which is do time filler jobs until Mr Right came by. So Kate isn’t doing anything different to other girls of her background.
If once and awhile, girls come forward who do good works and become know for that, they ARE inclined to be the exception not the rule.
Lisa, I agree with what you said, Kate will need to address the Diana issue.
I also think Kate is going to need a great deal of support and an excellant PR team, because when she marries William the press shan’t be too quick to applaud whatever she does, in the same way they did with Diana. That’s because of all the vile press she has had. I wonder if this book attempts to address any of that?
We can only hope.
March 31st, 2009 16:44
Hale I do hope that a PR campaign starts up now for her along with these books.
March 31st, 2009 16:52
If a PR campaign starts up now, which I think will happen, this year could be full of excitement.
March 31st, 2009 17:09
regarding kd comment #81
Diana did not do anything before she married PC but no books were written about her before she got married and they are being written about KM now. Cant publishers wait til KM marries PW to start writing books about her? I agree with Lewis,right now, there is nothing interesting to say about KM except that she is dating a prince. After she marries there might be more interesting things to say about her as she will be more involved with the people and with the royal family. Right now, people think that she is a pearl but after she marries(if she marries) we will get to see her true identity(could be good or bad, we dont know). So I am kind disappointed that publishers and supporters are giving her too much credit when we dont know anything about her and when we dont know the true kind of person she is.
March 31st, 2009 17:21
Hello,
Hale, thats a super post.
I too have said that PW/KM were expected to be wed in either May or July this year and obviously the publishers also thought the same. Unfortunately, with the financial situation as it is, they were unable to delay publication as, quite frankly they too needed the proceeds to cover several years and many man hour overhead.
However I think I am the only poster who thought that KM expected to be wed also because believe me, in Austria, a few days before PW dropped his bomb, she did not know it was about to happen.
I think that caused quite a lot of friction between them and PW had to work hard for a few months. I have always thought that they still have a great and lasting love for one another but as to their getting married I am very very anxious and you have touched on a very big reason in your post.
KM, and importantly,her family have suffered great indignities over the past couple of years and if there is one statistic that the RF and BP are very conscious of it is public opinion. They don’t court it but they are very aware of its strength and power and to them the most important objective is not the marriage of a prince , even a future King, it is the continuation and survival of the monarchy.
That is why there will be several years (I still say early 2014) before progress is made and the eventual acceptance or otherwise of KM AND PW as a partnership and couple will decide the eventual outcome and obviously the happiness of KM and(hopefully) PW.
At present KM can do little about it, except to lie low and recover her popularity but PW has to do his duty, not as a pilot, but as a King in waiting and from the evidence of the last few weeks his advisors have realised that and importantly, have convinced PW of that fact.
Now they have to persuade him to forget the RAF and concentrate on winning over his future subjects. If he does that he also wins KM but without it things may be very difficult for the couple, the RF and the Country.
Perhaps they may also realise that more public relations may well help the whole process but who knows if they can get PW to recognise and accept it and to know exactly when to include KM in his constitutional affairs and charities.
March 31st, 2009 17:25
Ked, enjoyed your post immensly and love having you back. Yayyyyyy! Ked is back!!!!!!!!
March 31st, 2009 17:27
Almost forgot. I have discovered why I cannot find that article in the NOTW. Mapleleaf has enlightened me, its because I am looking online and the article was in the hard copy.
March 31st, 2009 17:29
teresa I like that you made that comment because it’s important for us to understand that the royals today isn’t allowed to carry out a private courtship. The media is always there and the tabloids is always writing. There are so many stories about this couple out there that is false and it’s not even funny. So these books are coming out to largely set things straight. Also there is a royal market out there and the royals attract a great deal of interest so the books & papers sell, the authors & editors gets paid and the customers walks away happy. That’s just how it is. Also there has to be a PR campaign carried out that leads to a royal marriage. I think the public has to get to know Kate better so we can wipe away rubbish the tabs has written for so long and get a taste of the real Kate Middleton.
March 31st, 2009 17:38
Me, are you there? I thought Jecca Craig was got married this weekend and the wedding was supposed to be in Kenya.
If not, when is the wedding and where is it taking place?
If it hasn’t happened yet, and it is taking place in London then it is very likely that Kate will also attend.
March 31st, 2009 17:41
Boy Ked I’m glad to see you back although I don’t think 2014 will be it but it will happen much sooner.
“Now they have to persuade him to forget the RAF and concentrate on winning over his future subjects. If he does that he also wins KM but without it things may be very difficult for the couple, the RF and the Country.
Perhaps they may also realise that more public relations may well help the whole process but who knows if they can get PW to recognise and accept it and to know exactly when to include KM in his constitutional affairs and charities.”
I totally agree with that and I have been saying it for the longest that William & Kate need to get out there and make a connection with the people as a couple. If they keep going from strength to strength like this, then a PR campaign needs to start or this rubbish with the tabs will continue and that won’t be good for Kate. But you are right, we hear & see very little to nothing on his training now.
March 31st, 2009 18:01
Hi,
rman, when do you think William and Kate will get engaged ? I think ked is right that it has to be done at the right time and there is lots of rubbish to get out of the way.Ive read some of keds posts in the stats and he seems to know how to say things. I also think 2014 is to long a wait and one or the other may just end it especially after a row because they seem to fight a lot, from what we can see. I wonder who is strongest of the two of them
March 31st, 2009 18:11
Sorry, but I really do not think William and Kate will wait years to wed. This hiding that Kate does is gaining her nothing but ridicule and nicknames. Even the RF can see that with the slant this year’s articles have taken. William has found someone who he shares many of his interests and seems to have integrity and loyalty. He cannot risk losing this and waiting years for her to be part of his public life/royal duties is ridiculous. The people need to see them as a couple in order for people to warm to her/them. Creating this cloak of secrecy about her daily life creates all sorts of rumors and untruths. Waiting till 2014? No way.
March 31st, 2009 18:12
Hello Hale,
If the wedding was in Kenya then I doubt if any news will come out unless they want it too but I havent noticed if any of the ‘gang’ have been away from UK. I know that Holly B. was in Australia over the weekend with Princess B and PW and Pelly et all. were out clubbing late last week.
Remember her brother’s wedding to the Welsh lady and PW’s involvement?
Several newspapers sent big reporters and big money but didn’t even get a single quote or pirated photograph. I don’t think we have heard anything since , has anyone info. on that wedding or Jecca’s ?
March 31st, 2009 18:14
I am sorry to say this but I don’t know how much more KM can handle. IMO she looks like “life has been sucked out of her.” When something and I am just assuming here happens that would cause such a physical change in one attitude, I don’t think you ever look at the world the same again. Like a combat soilder, whose seen too much and knows that there is a hell. I think KM has been to war.
March 31st, 2009 18:17
I would hate to see William give up his RAF/SAR career. I think it is a very honorable thing for him to be doing.
March 31st, 2009 18:17
Hi penny, you are so right that there is so much rubbish to get out of the way but the big way to do that is start a PR campaign. A campaign started last year by Kate attending some royal events but this year I personally think the couple need to step up their game. One of the big rubbish rumors penny is that William & Kate is always off/on. Now yes I’m sure they have their moments because all couples do, it’s how you grow as a couple but I don’t believe the tabs when they write that they are always off/on. William has his own team at SJP now so the gate for them to step up their game has opened. I could see the date 2014 if they started dating back in 06 or 07 but it’s been awhile since they have dated and they look serious now so yes I do believe they will make an announcement soon penny. For right now, I think some nice PR need to really kick in. These books may help.
March 31st, 2009 18:20
Hello breeze,
If PW stays in the RAF then I honestly can’t see them doing an Andrew/Sarah but if it’s going to happen then I must agree it may well be sooner.
Again, it is his RAF service that governs this.
By the way, anyone notice that three Rescue Helicopters in Scotland have been grounded after number of accidents. They are not Sea Kings that the RAF use but are the Coastguards, but I still think PW’s (and even PH) dayly flying in helicoptrd is a risk too many.
March 31st, 2009 18:32
I don’t see why a wedding couldn’t happen when his training ends summer 2010. According to the POW website, there is only 30-36 months required for SAR service. That would not be so bad for Kate. She seems to be able to take a lot. At least she would have protection and support if they were married.
March 31st, 2009 18:36
Gracie non of us can say that Kate isn’t going through the fire because she clearly is. William must be some guy.
March 31st, 2009 18:39
“Well, she was precious like a flower she grew wild, wild but innocent. A perfect prayer in a desperate hour, she was everything beautiful and different. She laid her heart and soul right in your hands and you stole her every dream and you crushed her plans. She never knew she has a choice… Stupid boy. So what made you think you could take a life and just push it, push it around? Just to build yourself up so high, you had to take her and brake her down… It took a while for her to figure out she could run but when she did she was long, long gone…Stupid boy.” -Keith Urban, Stupid Boy
March 31st, 2009 18:42
If William waits out the 30-36 months, that will take it to 2011.
I happen to think William needs to forget about training with the RAF and concentrate on RDuties.
I wholly agree with those who say it is Kate who has borne the brunt of the bad publicity, but Williams isn’t that good either.
He needs to address this, quickly. The monarchy seems to be disapearing, it requires the young ones to raise its profile…FAST.
Whats the point of William training with the RAF anyway. The RAF will never recoup the cost of his training because his royal duties take precedence.
March 31st, 2009 18:44
Helloo, Compass Rose,
I agree its a worth while occpation but after all the training there is no way any Squadron Commander would put PW up when there is any risk.
It’s the same as the Generals in the Army who were reluctant to let PH go back into active service.
Under those conditions then PW has an unfair advantage over colleagues who go out whatever the risk. It’s a no win situation and even with a 0%
March 31st, 2009 18:46
breeze the 30-36 month thing is a option, no one knows if William will do that yet.
No Ked I didn’t notice that. Just within the few months of this year there have been so many plane accidents. I have to admit that you are right once again that his RAF service that governs this whole thing but I somehow get the feeling that the couple will kill two birds with one stone and just make it work for them.
March 31st, 2009 18:46
I agree that I can’t see the reasoning in allowing him to train for a career he can’t really do (for long anyway). I still believe that if William went on to royal duties full-time, that the focus leaves Charles and Camilla, and that is definitely something they don’t want to happen right now. I do feel the Queen will wind down even more in the next few years, leaving Charles in the spotlight. A young married couple in William and Kate will be hard to beat out for public admiration. So letting William have fun with his dream of flying helicopters is one way of delaying all this. Kate is just caught in the crossfire of all this, unfortunately.
March 31st, 2009 18:50
Gracie, wow.
March 31st, 2009 18:51
hello gracie
As I was reading your post I really thought you were expressing an opinion on KM and advising her to run.
It was only as I reached the end did I appreciate that it was a quotation.
Very apt and cleverly put gracie. Well done.
Hale,
I think we must have been writing at the same time. I agree completely.
March 31st, 2009 18:57
It is a shame that William is not interested in the Navy. His father and grandfather had naval careers, and he could have a career with relative safety.
March 31st, 2009 18:57
Yeah breeze Kate have it hard and I just wish that people recognize this before they go and write a bad artical. She’s caught in the crossfire but she’s got a bulletproof vest on. If I knew her, I would go up to her and pat her on the back, she needs a pat on the back everynow and then.
March 31st, 2009 18:58
Ked, thank you as it means much coming from you. Glad you are back and I’m sure Alsgal is too. Have you heard about her a**e?
March 31st, 2009 19:02
Hello again breeze,
Agreed , the question of competition raised itself last year when a dubious poll showed a majority wanting PW to oust PC. That just wouldn’t work but the rivalry will still be there.
Remember they are both of the same stock and have the same genes and any potential sovereign must have that hunger for the throne.
Just think of the actions of many of their ancestors
This an odd night we are all in concordance.
This must be a record espacially of late.
March 31st, 2009 19:12
Ked I know right, it’s just so interesting.
March 31st, 2009 19:18
ked,
It is good to agree, but I just wish we all agreed because we actually had some facts/proof instead of opinions and guesses!
Oh well, “soon” enough…
March 31st, 2009 19:27
Well I think its going to be a long courtship, me thinks PW is doing it like if he where a normal bloke, when he is not. His entire life will be always a curious case…
To the media and its public.
Note: If he where a joe by the corner, it would be normal their 6-7 year long relationship, including the family holidays here and there (at his and her choices), but you see from Birkhall to Sandringham and from Mustique to Klosters or French Alpes, the media makes the entire relationship into drama.
March 31st, 2009 20:01
KED, so PW and ZP attend Tiggy’s father’s funeral, but no PH. PW had to take leave from military to go. Have you heard anything about it?
March 31st, 2009 21:04
Me I agree, too much drama.
Gracie I heard about it, I don’t think Harry could have made it but I’m glad William & Zara attended.
March 31st, 2009 21:19
i don’t agree, i don’t see any hunger in Will, except to run and hide. He needs that hunger, even Charles has more than him, and that is saying something.
March 31st, 2009 21:20
I wonder if Tiggy was too anti-Diana for Harry, good on him for staying away
March 31st, 2009 21:22
Re. risky helicopters…ah…no…it is called William getting cold feet and throwing in the towel YET again
March 31st, 2009 21:26
Yes I have seen pictures of Batian’s wedding, they are there on the internet to be seen. The journalist could have had them.
March 31st, 2009 23:12
wow, 2014 is a long way off
it seems almost cruel that KM would be expected to somehow prove herself to the public in order to be considered ready for marriage to PW
is that what it amounts to? that she has to transform public opinion concerning herself, as part of the larger agenda of improving public views of PW, and of the monarchy more generally?
it’s almost a catch-22 situation: she starts participating in charitable events (introduced to these by PW, hopefully), and her image improves; yet the longer marriage is postponed, the more additional potential damage occurs. What a position to be in!
And what happens if there’s a change of heart? I guess KM can drift off and PW will be unscathed; but if PW drifts off, it will be heartbreaking to KM, I would imagine.
It’s too bad PW can’t just propose now to KM, quickly introduce her to some charities, then have a nice summer wedding, 2009. Surely, this would be uplifting to everyone, and an elated public would quickly forget any negative media coverage.
Otherwise: how sad that KM is a victim of a vicious media; that’s really what it seems like.
March 31st, 2009 23:14
Redlady,where did you get that rumor at? regarding Kate attending dinner with PW? I find it very unlikely…unless?
March 31st, 2009 23:38
Lisa
I assume it’s alllllll rumor! Well it’s April tomorrow I guess that’s it for 2009. 2010 here we come. The wait continues. Another poster has posted the new DM article about Prince Harry and his first solo flight. Interesting….
April 1st, 2009 03:31
I actually hadn’t realised it was April Fools Time. I heard it in the Pub yesterday, don’t forget I live fairly close to KMs family. Could well just be a rumour but I thought I would share it with you. My entry did begin with “rumour has it”! We’ll all find out later today when the RF meet the American Prsident for Tea. It will be great if KM is there. Certainly shut-up all the nasties.
April 1st, 2009 05:28
It’s official William and Kate have announced their engagement.
April 1st, 2009 06:21
Redlady I forgot you lived near Kate. Thanks for posting. Let us know if you hear anything else.
April 1st, 2009 06:43
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/g20-summit/5088390/G20-Summit-Jamie-Olivers-Downing-Street-menu.html
The dinner is at Downing st. Some celebrities will be present so maybe what Redlady is hearing could have some truth to it.
April 1st, 2009 06:51
here is a bit from the telegraph about the guests at tonight’s dinner. I can totally see Kate at this dinner. heck if Naomi Campbell can go,why can’t kate?
This evening Gordon Brown and his wife Sarah will host a Downing Street dinner for the leaders and their spouses. The meal will be cooked by Jamie Oliver and the guest list will also include prominent British women including JK Rowling, Naomi Campbell, Martha Lane Fox, Dame Kelly Holmes and Ruth Jones, from the sitcom Gavin and Stacey.
Michelle Obama will be seated between Kelly Holmes and JK Rowling.
April 1st, 2009 09:01
I sincerely do not want to burst anyone’s bubble, but IMO, it would be totally and completely ‘out of the norm’ for Kate to attend such a dinner.
The BRF has never allowed the girlfriends or boyfriends of their RF members to attend events such as that any other time, so why should we expect Kate to do so tonight?
Only an official fiancee would attend an official dinner like that. I think we should expect things to be the same on the ‘Kate front” as they were last month, last week, or yesterday: Quiet and low key.
I’m looking forward to an engagement between William and Kate, but I don’t believe there will be an announcement this year, unless it’s announced near the end of the year.
I think 2010 is going to be the ‘big year’, and that we’ll all have to just be patient and wait until then.
April 1st, 2009 09:04
I think Kate would do well in such an environment, if she had been invited to go.
April 1st, 2009 09:59
mapleleaf,I do not disagree with you. It would be nice to see Kate at a dinner like this. Like I said, if models and authors can go,why not Kate?
April 1st, 2009 10:03
seems the NOTW story rattled a few cages at CH…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/01/prince-william-news-of-the-world
April 1st, 2009 10:21
If CH denies the story, then the article which stated PW talking to a reporter is a bunch of rubbish.
Perhaps a PCC is on its way to NOTW
April 1st, 2009 10:34
And it also make you wonder whether the point de vue article was nonsense as well as it was very quickly hidden on the Daily Mail website. I wonder if they received a cease and dissist order from PW’s lawyers?? Yes Lisa I’m hoping for 20 whenever for the wedding….
April 1st, 2009 11:35
I makes me wonder why,given all the articles out there,they choose to comment on this one? Is there some truth to some of it?
April 1st, 2009 11:41
What I do believe out of the story is the “wait and see” comment. I think that’s what we all have to do is just wait and see.
April 1st, 2009 12:23
I just find it funny how CH makes a comment on what PW so-called said in a bar, when PH said similiar sentiments in a bar in Canada about how much PW was in love and CH makes no comment on that story. Why does CH even bother w/these claims when the ITV story was far worse and leaves the public wondering why he needs KM to for a decoy. I think the public knows he will not go to Afganistan as to if he will get marry only God knows if that will happen. CH is so quick to jump on anything negative about PW. He might have said those things not knowing the guy was a reporter and if he did PW probably does not remember it. Anything can come out when alcohols involved and I am guessing that no one tells PW to shut his trap at these bars so as it does not end up in NOTW. What truly funny is this happened at WM, owned by trusted friend Guy Pelly! I am surprised a photo didn’t come w/the story as there seems to be quite a few that leak out of WM from the bar. I wonder how much he told this guy?
April 1st, 2009 12:32
Lisa, I was wondering that. Is there some truth to part of this story, bearing in mind the Palace are not in the habit of denying or confirming stories.
‘Wait and see’, is the type of comment you would expect from W because he likes to keep things so close to his chest, but I also suspect he was tipsy that night.
Remember, these princes are not consuming as much alcohol as they once did, due to their helicopter training. Therefore, their alcohol tolerance levels have also been reduced.
As for the dinner at No.10. Surely, Gordon Brown could have done better than that.
Incidently, living in London/Hertfordshire as I do, I was watering the garden due to the fact we have been having some lovely weather lately, and my husband came out shouting ‘Obama, Obama!’. When I looked up into the sky there was a convoy of helicopters, including an huey making its way to Stanstead where the president was due to land.
We saw the convoys return in the late evening, but we couldn’t make out which one was the presidents helicopter as there were two others which also looked like Airforce 1. Clearly, one was genuine but two were decoys.
BRW….Sorry to digress. Back to Topic.
During lunch hour today I had a brief look at the book Kate by Claudia Joseph.
To members of this forum, please understand I was on my way back to work, and I repeat I only browsed the book very, very quickly. Therefore, what I am about to say is not a critique of the book.
THREE QUARTERS INTO THE BOOK is when Kate moves in with William whilst they were at St Andrews. The parts I read said, it is thought Kate is receiving advice from BP, but the only advice she is in receipt of is from PC about the media. Her solicitors do most of the negotiations regarding the media. There is a terse agreement between Kate and the media.
In the book it appeared to me that she was longer at Jigsaws than I thought. (I was reading quickly) The book paints cracks over the roller disco charity event. What I mean by that is it makes no mention of the press fall out and goes on about what a wonderful and successfull thing it was.
Now, as you all know, I am a Kate fan, but in my opinion this is the only mistake she has made up to now. I think it was the pic of her on the floor which to me seem undignified. No mention of that in the book.
This one I didn’t know, then again when you read so many royal stories they are inclined to merge into one. However, when she was supposed to have flown to New York and met with Testino, it wasn’t about working for him. Apparently Kate curated an exhibition of photographs on behalf of a charity. How did I miss that one.
Also in the book it made mention that because of the recession it is felt that W & K she keep a low profile. This one I do agree with, there is nothing more aggravating as to watch two princes falling out of nightclubs having paid £500 for a bottle of champers, when all around people are losing jobs and homes.
No indication as to when they will marry.
There is a questing I should like to ask the forum members, I did read sometime ago in the DMail, that Kate had hired a stylist, it was after then I noticed her dress sense improved. I doubt she still has one, but my question is does anyone know who the styist was?
Intrestingly, Claudia Joseph who wrote the book attended Cheltenham Girls College, studied fashion and now freelances. I was wondering if perhaps Claudia was the stylist, and that is why she was given access to Kates family?
April 1st, 2009 12:34
Hey Guys, sorry, I’ve just noticed all my spelling mistakes.
Sorry
April 1st, 2009 12:39
Hale,thanks for the recap. I may buy the book myself at some point. I see it is starting to sell quite well on Amazon,though.
I am really waiting for the Robin Nunn book,which I have pre ordered. He would have had access that no other photographer would so the pictures will be great!
April 1st, 2009 12:48
Here is the artical on the Obama’s & the Windsor’s meeting.
http://tinyurl.com/d44pb8
Thanks for that Hale, I will buy the book.
April 1st, 2009 12:49
Lisa, I agree with you. I myself am inclined to await the paperbacks, or the sales.
Gracie….Hey, I forgot, loved your post. Love the Keith Urban song also.
PS.. I happen to be a country fan.
April 1st, 2009 12:55
Hale according to this article Leesa Whisker is Kate’s stylist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-391565/How-Kate-Middleton-went-frump-fabulous.html
April 1st, 2009 13:02
You guys can watch the world leaders being greeted by the Queen at BP now.
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-R-16971
April 1st, 2009 13:12
Thanks JJ for that info. I have to say that Leesa Whisker is doing a great job with Kate’s style.
April 1st, 2009 15:03
JJ….Thank you for that information, I wondered who was Kates stylist, so it wasn’t CJoseph.
Waydownsouth…I forgot to mention this in my last post, but Tiggy was invited by Harry to his passing out parade at Sandhurst.
I’m sure the Q will do a better job in greeting the president than that ****** Gordon Brown.
April 1st, 2009 15:04
Sorry, I should’ve said, T****r
April 1st, 2009 15:25
I am not happy w/Michelle Obama skirt choice to meet the Queen. Her face/hair look lovely, but why did she wear black? She looked really pretty when she met with Mrs. Brown. In fact they made a comment how colorful Michelle looked compared to Sarah navy. Maybe that’s why she chose black to play it safe. The Obama’s must be huge cause the Queen and the DoE looked small in comparison. Camilla should not be out if she has a bad case of bronchitis, it could get worse and she does not look like she feels well. I think PW needs to let the world know where he stands w/KM and take her to the formal dinner.
April 1st, 2009 15:25
On one of the royal forums it is being said that the latest copy of Hello! has a double page spread about Kate and Carole. Do anyone know about that?
April 1st, 2009 15:29
Gracie I just saw some pictures of Camilla, I thought she looked okay but I doubt that she will let bronchitis stop her from meeting the President & First Lady.
What dinner are you talking about?
April 1st, 2009 15:30
Hello,
News just in of yet another helicopter crash in north east UK.
I still think that PW’s day by day involvement with helicopter flying is most certainly a risk too far as is PH’s involvement.
I do hope the officials at BP are aware of the risk involved
April 1st, 2009 15:33
Thanks Hale! Keith Urban is a hot man but he writes such lovely songs. A man that’s hot and feels? Amazing! I don’t think KM is being styled any more either. I find it interesting that you said that. I think KM is beautiful, but last couple of pics she has looked run down. It would be nice to see her dressed up in all her glory! PW needs to get w/it!
April 1st, 2009 15:35
Is there supposed to be a formal dinner?
April 1st, 2009 15:48
I looked at HELLO and did not see anything about KM or CM, which site are you talking about Rman?
April 1st, 2009 15:53
Gracie I agree with you and maybe they will start going to formal events together this year.
I think PM Brown will have a dinner but I don’t think William is going.
She pretty much knows how to style herself now, I think the stylist she had was giving her some pointers and just helping her a bit.
April 1st, 2009 15:54
I think they was talking about in the Hello! Paper not Online.
April 1st, 2009 15:57
Rman, what were they saying about them?
April 1st, 2009 16:06
Gracie I have no idea. I just heard about it.
April 1st, 2009 16:06
Quote: “I think PW needs to let the world know where he stands w/KM and take her to the formal dinner.”
By this logic William HAS shown where he stands with KM, specifically by NOT taking her to a formal dinner; their acquaintance is purely casual.
April 1st, 2009 16:17
It has to be arranged because most of the formal events William goes to is an official event and he’s not married to her yet so she can’t attend but I’m sure she will start to show up at more formal events this year. I think William & kate are doing just fine as a couple but we are alittle impatient and the key to all of this is to be patient about it.
April 1st, 2009 16:49
Rman, as much as I should like to see Kate attending a few formal dinners with William, I cannot see that happening. The reason being is because Kate has no official status. She is just a girlfriend.
I felt the ceremony when W received his knight of the garter was a big deal, and one of the reasons I thought they might announce their engagement, but the announcement of training with SAR changed that for me.
I know Kate attended the wings ceremony, and the boxing match. As well as Peter Phillips wedding. But these were not formal engagements. To date only the garter ceremony is the one I can think of which could be considered formal, unless I’ve forgotten some.
I’m afraid unless there is an announcement, Kate will not be seen at formal or charity functions. It is not the way royals do things here. Although I except there is always a first time, I imagine if that was the case then it would give rise to huge speculation.
Something I forgot to add to my book browsing post and that was in the book it mentioned that many European royals were now marrying outside of aristocracy.
April 1st, 2009 16:54
Rman –
I just read the digital edition of Hello – the article is about the ski trip and just shows the same pictures at the airport. Nothing new. It just said that they went to the more private resort in France knowing that the paparazzi would be expecting them in Kosters. It also said that William left 24 hours before Kate to get to the game he attended.
April 1st, 2009 17:03
Off topic, but Alsgal would like to mention that on a certain other Forum she used to frequent Alsgal was suddenly no longer able to log in after trashing an Admin in a “private” pm.
Moderators on that Forum are indeed not able to view other people’s pm’s — however, Alsgal was told by an Admin that the Admins were.
Alsgal would just like for some of you to know that. Make of it what you will.
April 1st, 2009 17:05
I agree Hale, hopefully there will be some formal events that she will attend or at least some event with William. I just hope to see them out soon. I do miss seeing them out and about.
April 1st, 2009 17:06
Thanks for letting me know breeze.
April 1st, 2009 17:09
Alsgal,
I am trying to understand your post. I think I have it. What is “pm”?
April 1st, 2009 17:20
Here is a nice picture of Her Majesty & First Lady giving each other a warm embrace.
http://www.theroyalist.net/content/view/4513/1/
What a nice picture.
April 1st, 2009 17:35
Compass, a PM is a private message. Members can send pm’s to each other via the internal mail system at that particular Forum.
Ever wonder why you would have one of the ex-Admins/Admins making a point of sending a message using the original email address you signed up with on the Forum instead of sending the PM system via the Forum?
That’s why.
April 1st, 2009 17:53
I am not a member of that other forum. Is that facility available on this one?
April 1st, 2009 17:54
Hi Compass Rose,
No, Private Messaging isn’t available on this site at the present time.
April 1st, 2009 17:56
Alsgal, I understand what you’re saying: you sent a private message criticizing one of the administrators of that forum, which you assumed was private, but it turned out that another administrator actually read your message and you were booted for expressing your opinion. Am I correct?
Re: the G20: I have not seen Mrs. Sarkozy (Carla Bruni). Is she not attending?
April 1st, 2009 17:57
Hands off Michelle
Oh that is sooooooooooooooo tacky
i am not impressed with the Queen at all!
April 1st, 2009 18:04
Rman, thank you so much for that link. What a wonderfully lovely picture of our Queen and the first lady. I get the impression they may be posing for a picture with one and other. If so, I look forward to seeing it in the newspapers.
Thanks once again.
April 1st, 2009 18:07
Simply Alsgal, thanks for telling. You are to special to be kick out of any forum! LOL
April 1st, 2009 18:10
Compass Rose — correctamundo!
April 1st, 2009 18:11
TY Gracie
April 1st, 2009 18:13
Looks like the Queen had her hand on Michelle’s butt, as she is so tall. I wonder how the Queen really felt about Michelle putting her arm around her? I am sure that she was given the protocol on meeting the Queen as all heads of states are given, once again the Obama’s make their own rules.
April 1st, 2009 18:23
Well The Queen is very touchy these days. I was just watching the reception on Cspan and the Queen was very touchy with some guy she was meeting. I think she has warmed up to that now but many years ago, you just didn’t touch her. It was said that the Queen put her arm around her first and Mrs. Obama did the same. I see her lady-in-waiting (Lady Susan Hussey) was surprise that the Queen did that.
April 1st, 2009 18:24
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# Compass Rose
April 1st, 2009 17:56
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Alsgal, I understand what you’re saying: you sent a private message criticizing one of the administrators of that forum, which you assumed was private, but it turned out that another administrator actually read your message and you were booted for expressing your opinion. Am I correct?
Re: the G20: I have not seen Mrs. Sarkozy (Carla Bruni). Is she not attending?
COMPASS ROSE, you are TOTALLY correct. They monitor those hater boards with IRON FISTS and if they don’t like what you say, i.e. anything not trashing Kate Middleton, you’re out.
As for Alsgal, who needs that crap? Stay here, you bring alot of amusement and levity here.
April 1st, 2009 18:26
I love Obama and Michelle dearly, but that picture of Michelle with the queen is not flattering to Michelle AT ALL. Hopefully, it’s just the angle of the camera shot.
April 1st, 2009 18:27
gracie….I think the Queen would have been amused and enjoyed that. People are usually so formal around her so that would have been a nice change for her.
Alsgal, if you are referring to the other forum of which I am a member of, then I’m sorry about what happened to you.
You know how much I enjoy your humour, consequently I’d think you would be a wonderful and valued commentator on any forum you wished to comment on.
April 1st, 2009 18:29
Thank you, Guest — Alsgal enjoys the view from her lawnchair here at BRW very much.
April 1st, 2009 18:30
Also — thank you, Hale as well.
April 1st, 2009 18:31
It was the angle. Poor shot. Michelle looked lovely.
On another note, I couldn’t help looking at Charles and Camilla standing there and thinking…one day that will be William and Kate making small talk to dignitaries. LOL
April 1st, 2009 18:40
Yes sorry to hear that Alsgal but I just don’t understand why those people on that forum has to be so mean. What is their problem?
I think the Queen is just a warm person and they just gave each other alittle warm embrace while talking. I noticed that the President gave a nod to the Queen & Prince Philip when they first met.
April 1st, 2009 18:46
Guest, I sometimes picture that myself. Like greeting a head of state for a state visit and going to state banquets. I guess that will happen in the near future. President Sarkozy always kiss Camilla’s hand.
April 1st, 2009 18:54
More footage of the reception.
http://www.cspan.org/
**BRW – direct link added **
http://www.cspan.org/Watch/watch.aspx?MediaId=HP-R-17023
April 1st, 2009 19:29
ABC news artical on the visit and etiquette.
http://tinyurl.com/chq6lf
April 1st, 2009 19:46
Alsgal,
I know how much it hurts to be rejected/banned by Admins on a royal website. It makes you feel powerless, silenced and like a very small child punished much too harshly for a very small transgression.
Time will heal your wounds. I think you do better in unregulated settings. You really need the freedom to say all that comes to minds.
Here you are safe to free associate away on all things royal. You are among friends and admirers here at BRW.
April 1st, 2009 21:07
Rman thank you so so much for the Cspan link
That was GREAT!
I loved hearing their conversation!
I agree with you Alsgal, i think that one of the other forums that i use to lurk at i dont’ anymore because they are so blantantly out for power. I actually think they seek to silence both sides and that admins and moderators spend their time fighting their own battles by being rude to all posters. It encourages a whole host of other problems namely name calling and other rude behaviour.
I will say though that I really only see that at one of the forums, the others seem to post comments as long as it isn’t rude.
April 2nd, 2009 03:32
future princess’ family records shows one of her ancestor is a prisoner
April 2nd, 2009 04:58
Luviere,
Yeah……..but whats that got to do with KM?
April 2nd, 2009 05:19
If you dig far enough back in anyone’s family you’re going to find skeletons…
Heck, here in Australia we’re nearly ALL descendant from convicts!!!
April 2nd, 2009 07:20
“future princess’ family records shows one of her ancestor is a prisoner”
The evidence is not strong on that issue as far as I am concerned.
April 2nd, 2009 07:28
hello, if i may, i do believe its to soon for any book to address anything relating to miss. middleton or to prince william, yet i feel for the planner. as for a date in the near future i will be surprised if next year is set, this year maybe but, edward and his wife are honoring 10 years and peter is to be 30, so not a 2010 wedding. his father has a five year ann. coming, princesses anne is to be 60 and eugenie is to be 20, for prince charles and his wife they will need the spotlight for what will come because 2011 will be the 30 ann. of prince charles and his former wife, and prince philip is to be 90 and zara is to be 30. for 2012 to much will be happening for a wedding to be planned also, examples are his 30 birthday, but that would be a great surprising gift, london calling all sports for the olympics, and the queen is to celebrate 60 years on throne. for 2013, lady louisa is to be 10, zara may get married by then. 2014 harry is to be 30, edward is 50.. so i will say 09, 14, 16 if not don’t know when.
April 2nd, 2009 08:09
gee there aren’t any criminals or unsavory types in William’s family are there?
April 2nd, 2009 08:47
BRW, I know my family has done it share of prison time. No one in recent times, but an ancestor was in San Quentin, Ca. What about DUI, how many families have had 24hr nights in the cell due to drunk driving? The only thing that save the RF from going to prision like the rest of us is they are royal and can cover it up or as in the past behead you. Ashame an engagement did not come w/these released books as they must have thought.
April 2nd, 2009 08:54
Gracie, I believe that a PR campaign will start along with these books.
April 2nd, 2009 08:57
gracie,lets wait and see what happens with the release of Robin Nunn’s book
April 2nd, 2009 09:34
Hello,
Don’t we think it’s time to drop this topic, the more it’s spoken off the longewr the tales get.It’s beein publishe, not proved, so if people like us drop it the quicker the ‘7 day wonder’ wll vanish.
The story of PW expressing a wish to go fighting is, in my view, so much more important. Yes he’s a soldier and soldiers need to go to war to prove themselves but he is in the direct line of succession and he does not have an heir so this is surely a much bigger problem.
If he is allowd to go and anything happens eeryone will be held responsible. If he doesn’t go the moral of hi colleagues must be affected so possibly the entire idea of his and PH’s military career may be considered to be a mistake
I know PA was in a similar position and fortunately survived after performing incledibly brave deeds but what if it had turned out bady. What would the comments have been then.
With HM an PP now getting older PC should be taking over most of their duties but the difficulty for PW is he has insisted upon his military career to the detriment of his constitutional duties and therefore not in a position to take over from PC in the running of the royal estates because he hasn’t concentrated on that part of his duties.
Unless he starts on that part of his royal work there will be a huge void when PC succeeds and both he and his partber, whoever it may be, will both be at the novice stage without PC then having time to point the way forward.
I do think that the advisors have neglected to stress to PW that being royal is bigger trhan being one of the boys.
April 2nd, 2009 10:30
Ked, yes I do agree the story is a non-issue. I was agreeing to that. Yes, PW going to Afgan is a much bigger story, but I think its a non-story to as it will not happen. You and others have made the comment of PW military duties seeming scarse as of late and what exactly is he doing at this time career wise? PW has been a great disapointment in my opinion and I feel that everything he says and does is not of his own thinking but his minders. If he has this huge death wish to go fly in Afgan’ then let him go. He usually gets what he wants. How do we know the story is even legitimate anyway? Should I put more belief in NOTW story or a book that claims KM has family members that served time? You tell me? KM ancestors serving time seems more plausible than a story that PW said to a reporter, I am assuming while drinking at WM on a 40’s night theme party. What is clear to me are those girls that were dressed in military costumes were probably inside WM. Where was KM?
April 2nd, 2009 10:44
ked,your taking a great many liberties in your assumptions that William is not being prepared for his duties once Charles is not around. I am sure all the scenarios have been explored and William is being prepared for what the future brings. People are just too quick to try to decide for him what he should be doing and when he should be doing it.
April 2nd, 2009 11:10
Lisa, I agree Ked is making assumptions, and yet unfortunately, I agree with him.
It really is pointless W training with the RAF. Furthermore, we all know the QMother lived to a good old age, as I hope the Q will live to a good age. We shouldn’t assume it though, just as we shouldn’t assume Charles will live long either.
It is for some of these reasons, that William should be taking a more active role in RDuties. Wasn’t it in the interview with the very young girl that he said he spends a great deal of time on the Duchy of Cornwall estates? I hope so, because he to will be the next DoC.
I’ve said it before and I shall say it again. The older members of the RF are reliant on the youngers ones raising their profile. It instills in the public at large a continuity.
William MUST overcome his aversion to the media, because he needs there exposure.
A poster on another forum made a very good point in saying that they thought W was trying to outlast the courtiers. If that is true, then W is not doing himself any favours.
From an English point of view, aside when the princes are seen falling out of nightclubs, the entire monarchy appears to have gone in hiding, except when the occasional VIP is seen here. In other words the monarchy appears to be disappearing. Whats more I don’t think many people care.
I dread what is going to happen when the Q eventually dies. When the Q does die, with her will go all the old reverence with it.
The difference between the Q & PoW is the Q belongs to a more heroic age…eg: WWII.
PoW, thanks to his humongous mistakes in his personal life, and Williams determination to ‘runaway, runaway’ frankly I shall be surprised if the monarchy survives in my time.
April 2nd, 2009 11:18
Hale, I imagine the Queen must feel uneasy about what she leaves behind. IMO.
April 2nd, 2009 11:20
Hale,while I respect your opinion,I think your forgetting that the public is not fully aware of what goes on behind the scenes. The monarchy has survived far worse then William’s desire(if one exists) to put off ribbon cutting for a few years and hold on to what little privacy he has while serving his country and learning a valuable skill. I don’t see a problem with it,frankly. When the time comes,William will step up. He has no choice. Sometimes I feel like William is treated like he is #2 in succession,when he is not. Let Charles have his day in the sun. When the time comes,William will be there.
April 2nd, 2009 11:39
I just like these pictures of The Queen & First Lady hugging each other, it looks like they had a good time yesterday.
http://tinyurl.com/coh29y
Lisa I just think William likes his private time while he still have it. He’s going to do his duties and share it with Catherine but I think we all need to give this brother some space and just be patient.
April 2nd, 2009 11:46
Rman, thanks for the article it was very good read!
I read the Guardian article as the one Rman posted I could not pull up for some reason, but SF article was taken from the Guardian so I am assuming the same was said? I don’t think they should say PH is not the “thinker” regardless if it’s true or not. I for one believe he might have a short attention span, but I think he thinks very deeply about things. I am not a doctor but I would not be surprised if he had ADD/ADHD as he reminds me of my son, somewhat. I think its funny Judy Wade said Harry was “one of us” like Diana. That is very apparent to me anyway and I guess to others as well.
April 2nd, 2009 12:08
Gracie your welcome. I found the whole artical interesting but I’m always careful to not fully believe what people say about Harry’s personality.
I really found this interesting though,
“According to one royal watcher, while Charles is known privately for his indecision, his sons are more decisive. “Stubborn” is used on several occasions to describe William, and staff stress they have no say about when, or if, he will get engaged to Middleton – and nor, for that matter, when Harry will settle down.
“They are young men in their 20s and I have absolutely no idea what is on their minds in terms of relationships and what happens in the future,” says one senior royal source. A well-connected French magazine recently reported the imminent announcement of William and Kate’s summer wedding, but palace officials stonily deny all such speculation, and commentators judge there is no space in the royal calendar for summer nuptials this year.”
Because some people really think the royal courtiers have a big say in this but I think William has made his relationship non negotiable to the royal court. I think they have some major respect for his private life and respect the fact that despite his busy lifestyle, he has been with the same woman since college. That is remarkable and I think the tabs and some members of the royal blogging world, pay very little to no attention to that. If they did you would see some nicer comments.
April 2nd, 2009 14:33
Hello, Hale, enjoyed reading your thoughts. Rman, excuse me, but actually that wasn’t appropriately in my view to touch (hug) HM the Queen even if it was mrs president Obama’s friendly hug. Honestly, that was unexpected and quite embarrassing, and against all royal protocol. Royalty and heads of the top countries – those are two absolutely different parts of the world. Sometimes you can see some similarities, but not in basic terms. You can believe me or not, but I know why it is. There are so many reasons. Cindy, such a brilliant research. You are right, there are lots of dates next years till 2014, but if it’s true love between them, they will not wait eternally only because of royal birthdays (which are happened to be every year).
April 2nd, 2009 14:43
Hale I’m with on that.
April 2nd, 2009 14:53
First time I completely understand you and that is a rule that I really respect but lets not forget, The Queen put her arm around Mrs. Obama first so I think Her Majesty threw protocol out of the window and felt like it was okay. It was said that The Queen didn’t consider it a big deal so I don’t think anyone else should make a big deal about it.
April 2nd, 2009 14:56
Cindy, these two is not going to wait that long.
April 2nd, 2009 14:59
And i agree with what’s being said in the article about William as a firstborn. He makes and feels(!) his duties as an adult, very seriously, but there was one manouvre – his SAR commitment decision. Remembering Dianas words (she called william a deep thinker), I am inclined to think he has his own plan, his independent vision of life. He is our future king and has to follow HIS mind.
April 2nd, 2009 15:57
Hello,
Sorry for spelling etc on earlier post I was on eurostar and using a blackberry. Not the easiest to type with.
I understand that PW is back on duty at Moreton Corbet (Shawbury) but I thought someone had said he was at the reception for Mr Obama. Anyone know?
April 2nd, 2009 16:14
oh no he wasn’t at the reception
and there is no proof he is at the RAF now.
April 2nd, 2009 16:28
Hey Guys…I’ve just read the article in the Guardian by Patrick Barkham. How odd, what have we been discussing on the forums for the past two weeks?
I swear Patrick Barkham has been reading my posts on this forum and on RIF, as well as Ked’s posts also. The Cheek of it. By that I do not mean what is tatooed on Alsgals **********
Lisa getting back to your post at 219. You have no idea how much and how hard I pray, what you have written turns out to be true.
The other thing about the article is it confirms Ked’s theory of 2014.
Almost forgot, when browsing the Kate book. The estate in Herefordshire is indeed being prepared for William. That is according to Claudia Joseph.
April 2nd, 2009 16:46
WDS, PW’s spokesperson stated that William was on a two and a half week break from the RAF and that he would be returning at the end of march so I would imagine he is back there now.
Hale,Claudia Josephs book sounds a bit like a compilation of a bunch of DM articles. Was that your impression or do you feel the content is factual rather then speculative?
April 2nd, 2009 16:48
Hale I had a feeling that the estate in Herefordshire is for William. We just have to wait and see because I don’t believe that 2014 is it, I think it’s ging to be sooner and next year seems like everything will kick off.
No ked William was not at the reception but I thought he would at least go. Maybe his training has him a little tied up because he has no engagements coming up.
April 2nd, 2009 17:40
Lisa, yes I agree with that. I have learnt more about Kate being a member of this forum than I am likely to learn from Claudia Joseph’s book.
As I said, I briefly browsed it. I would describe most of it as padding. Going on about her ancestors etc….who cares about her relatives?
Three quarters of the war through the book it talked about W & K moving in with one and other whilst at St Andrews.
Yes I would describe this book as a compilation of DM articles.
I prefer to see what Robin Nunn’s books has to say and what insights he has to offer.
Rman, if it does kick off next year as you say, I really do not expect a big London wedding. I see it at St George’s, Windsor.
April 2nd, 2009 17:59
Hale,
Half of the war though?
That must have been painful to read!
April 2nd, 2009 18:11
Hale I actually see them having something smaller than what his parents had.
April 2nd, 2009 18:48
HM and PP look fantastic for their ages! Protocol may be protocol, but if the Queen extended her hand first then obviously she has no problem with it. She seems so warm, a wonderful person all around.
(I know this is not a political site, but…) To locksmithoflove, keep in mind that many people here DO like Obama. He was given a ****hole of a situation. Not everything is going to be repaired in a flash. Give him some time. Would you rather have had McCain? The republicans ripped him apart in 2000, then he became their puppet eight years later.
The Barkham artical was pretty interesting. Sad though that Harry progressively being “mariginalized”. I think it will continue once PW and KM tie the knot (whenever that will be or if it does happen). I’ve often wondered what would have happened if Harry was heir and William the spare. So sad that Harry’s bodygaurd saw this coming at such a young age. “A royal police officer took pity on Harry and offered to build him a sandcastle. ‘It’s the only bleedin’ castle you’re ever likely to get,’ the officer apparently said.” Hopefully PH will be able to adapt and overcome and create his own niche. He is trying, I suppose.
April 2nd, 2009 19:04
I’m not worried about Harry because I think he will be fine. He’s got a good head on his shoulders, a good heart and I can see him doing some amazing things in the future. Also I think he will a great help to his brother and the Monarchy.
April 2nd, 2009 19:36
Sad though that CH will jump at any remarks about William, but will hang Harry out to dry for his gaffes.
April 2nd, 2009 19:38
You would also think that CH would be the clean-up crew for Kate’s reputation. She has been dating Wills for five to seven years now. Or maybe PW could step in when comments about KM start boiling over.
April 2nd, 2009 19:42
Being a future King,I think William’s wedding will be at either the Abbey or St Pauls, 2500-3000 guests.
April 2nd, 2009 19:46
Lisa they may have a big wedding but you never know.
April 2nd, 2009 19:53
Rman,I think it is an issue of who they have to invite. I mean if you invite one King,you have to invite them all,lol.
Those numbers will add up fast so the venue will have to be large enough to hold them all. St Georges is just too small.
April 2nd, 2009 21:20
“A royal police officer took pity on Harry and offered to build him a sandcastle. ‘It’s the only bleedin’ castle you’re ever likely to get,’ the officer apparently said.”
What an awful thing to say to a child.
April 3rd, 2009 07:19
Atx, yeah I agree I wish he would do more.
April 3rd, 2009 08:02
I bet 2010 will be the date!
It might be in spring or summer. It’s hard to be in the spotlight. And the worst part her family cannot comment on these outrageous controversy about them!
April 3rd, 2009 09:14
I voted for McCain! I am waiting for the day that people wake up and realise, “the land of the free and home of the brave,” is no longer a democratic society, but is a socialist one. Government controling banks and the Pres firing CEO’s is just the beginning. Won’t be able to blame Bush for much longer and then it will fall on Obama shoulders.
April 3rd, 2009 10:21
locksmithoflove,
Steve asked us not to discuss politics on this board, why do you insist on it?
FYI, your political views are pure fantasy! Why don’t you go to the library and learn the definition of these terms you throw around and stop embarassing yourself.
No more political discussions here please!
April 3rd, 2009 16:03
atx, your comments at 238, I totally agree with. I maintain Harry is the sacrificial lamb. Nowhere near as protected as William, and something the Guardian article confirms. Then I maintain the Guardian writer stole those ideas for his column from us.
Rman, I also agree that Harry has a good heart. Hope the royals do not take it for granted, as a good heart can be a persons downfall as it was for Diana.