Oh Mapleleaf… that was more than just” a bit of PDA.” In William’s standards it’s almost akin to Exposition de Bang Bang! :D:D (sorry, couldn’t help myself)

Guest, you are right. Staged or not, this snog shows the world a definite statement — they’re a couple.

Morning,

This is why I don’t really like the couple to show too much affection in public because it will cause some people to think it’s staged. It really seem like a private moment for the couple but they was just caught by the paps.

Some people are saying that Kate held on to him for dear life and she forced him to kiss for the camera. You can clearly see in the video that the two was walking back to their car hugging and then Kate was getting ready to get into the car and William pulled her back in a tender way so he could kiss her. It seem like they couldn’t wait to get home. Clearly after seven years together, the passion is still there. And that’s how they keep the relationship going, by keeping the passion flame lit.

Sam it looks like the couple don’t like performing for anyone. They leave that stuff for their own time.

Will’s reaction? He is not reacting, he’s the one acting!Eventually, I may add.

Funny how some people can see that it’s Kate who wants to stage something. I’m sure William could appear on TV saying “I love Kate so much” and some posters would say that she forced him to do it or that he is under a spell from Carole. There are no limits to what these people will make up just to prove their “truth” about Kate . Funny really. Except for the ones who now go on about how the Middletons make their money – they are totally sick and not funny.

Please help me, I can’t see that video. I read the story, look at the slideshow of photos but can’t find that video clip. WHY? S***!

Rman,
I agree with you. The video eliminates the question of whether or not they are a couple. Clearly they are intimate. So arguing that they are not together is really a waste of time. So if people are saying that they are not together, it is not true and no one has access to their motives, personal thoughts, etc.

Prince William and Kate are clearly a couple.

Are they really PW & KM?

^LOL im sure nobody likes being watched when their making out .

Im sure the Kate haters are angry that uncle Garry’s drug scandel didnt seem to hurt W&K one bit but it only made them show us how much they love care for each other that they are much stronger than all of this BS YAY to W&K .

Here is the video of W&K if anybody missed it .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZreQ3cbA8I&feature=channel_page

You can clearly see William pulling Kate in and giving her a big kiss.

Do you think it was the person who twittered about PW & KM being at that pub who filmed them?

Ked, if you happen to peruse this site I would be interested to hear what you think of these recent revelations.

I’m the quote unquote Kate-Hater… that people on this site have commented on.

All I can really say to all of you is that I have my opinion to the WK situation and you have yours.

Honestly I find your musings over my posts amusing.

And as to Kate well Hale you are right, this will never go away. Once a scandal like this is out there for the public it’s there to stay. Regardless of the situation and how it ends up, engaged or not engaged. And there is no way that Kate and family did not know about their uncle Gary, I do believe he might have exaggerated somewhat but the fact is the Middletons cannot be okay with his behavior and have it an “open secret in the family” one minute and than when it is blown wide open be “spitting fire” the next. It’s a cover for Carole and family because they are worried the people above William will not let the likes of them into the royal family.

There I’ve said my piece. Oh and I’m female.

Britt, I am sorry to hear about your aunt.

But, I have you ever considered what exactly the RF does?

For example, one of the things they do is when they visit foreign countries, they are paving the way for trade delegations to go to that same country. People in Britain under estimate the fact that this is how companies and manufacturers in this country gain contracts.

I W & K marry, then what the RF does immediately becomes undermined, because rival companies from foreign countries will see to it that stories will always appear about Kates infamous uncle. It will be easy for them to do this, because they buy a lot of advertising space, and editors do not want to loose that business.

The POW Trust, is involved with organisations comitted to weaning and supporting those who have been addicted to drugs. One day, William will also be POW and he shall take over the running of his fathers Trust. Imagine the hypocrisy of William going to these places and saying to these former addicts, ”just say NO”. How do you think that is going to go down with an uncle in law who deals in drugs? What kind of a role model will that make William appear?

Their are girls on the streets of London as young as 12 and 13 prostituting themselves in order to secure their next fix, and here you shall have a future Q of England whose uncle deals and pimps. How vile is that?

Frankly, this whole sorry mess is embarrassing. It is embarrassing for the RF, it is embarrassing for my country.

I know it is not the fault of Kate, but the fact is in the light of what has been revealed I for one do not wish to see Kate as my future Queen.

Okay Hale calm down lol, it’s not even all that serious. Gary Middleton did a stupid thing and he will get caught. This is embarrassing thing for the Middleton’s but it’s a very private family matter. We all get a tad embarrassed when one of our family members get involved with drugs but you only have two choice’s, deal with it or let it ruin your entire family. I believe they are dealing with it and moving on. Kate had nothing to do with that and William has made it known that he is standing by her woman and family. Why is he doing that? because he knows them better than all of us and he knows they are not bad people and wond won’t be bad people just because a family member did something dumb. This will all blow over but I think it’s time for everyone to move on from this subject because there is no reason to shine a light on a dumb subject.

I have read a few royal forums and I think many people are jumping to conclusions and losing their minds for nothing. The royals have had their bad share of embarrassments and they got throught it by moving on so no one can pass judgement on the Middleton’s. I think we all will do William & Kate a favour by not blowing this out of proportion and acting like this is the end of the world because it’s not.

Believe me when I tell you, ” love does Love conquers all”.

His name is not Gary Middleton!

KD

The story that you referred to was regarding a rape. It was all kept very quiet and swept under the carpet. I forget who it was to do with, maybe viscount linley? Not sure can’t remember but there was an news blackout in the uk with reporting the name of the royal involved.

Hale I hear where you are coming from but I think in this day and age it is going to be very hard to find a family that is spotless. Even the Aro families have skeletons in their closets. The point I am making is that if William is forced to give up Kate we maybe facing another Princess Margaret situation (it was her or princess Anne) where they had to give up the one that they loved and it was disaster after disaster after that. I don’t think the it doesn’t agree with us so throw it away approach is the right one here. Yes the story is going to go on and on but it is much better than the royal who is marrying a woman who is in a sex tape. That is unforgivable to me and I don’t know what that guy is thinking at all.

The Royal Family I am sure as well as the Middletons have know about this uncle Gary bloke for a while. I doubt very much that this was a surprise. But what do you do when you have a wayward family member? You can’t get rid of him you just have to get on with it.

I’m going to have to agree to disagree with you here Hale, I just don’t think that the option of severing all ties is the option… Just my opinion..

Phoebe, thanks for that artical. The whole thing is really no big deal, only if people decide to make it that way.

It’s funny how nearly everyone was going crazy over Kate’s first little interview at the Marketing show and was saying how nice she sounds and how William found a beautiful looking woman. Now her uncle that don’t even live in London do something silly and now some of those same people are putting the blame on her and her whole family. Boy this world is full of hypocrites.

Hale,

I appreciate your honesty. Thanks!
I am like you, not a absolute “Kate lover” or an absolute “Kate-hater.”

I am in the middle because I just don’t know that much about Kate Middleton. I heard her voice for the first time a week ago.

I think the main problem with Uncle Middleton is that Kate and William vacationed with him while all of this illegality was apparently going on in a villa called “La Maison Bang Bang.”

Everyone here is saying “Kate is not to blame for her relatives,” I agree no she is not.

Does anyone think she should take responsibility for taking the Prince and future King of England to “La Maison Bang Bang”?

I know everyone is also using the argument that everyone has a black sheep in the family and that it is no big deal.

At what point do you draw that line about associating with the family black sheep.

I might draw that line at illegal behavior.

I think that this incident obviously will not change the way Prince William feels about Kate. Not at all.

But the Uncle’s behavior should not be swept under the rug, prostitution and drug dealing are horrific crimes. Kate should distance herself from this person immediately.

Its Uncle Goldsmith

JJ you are talking about Princess Margaret, who was I believe was blackmailed into ending her relationship with Peter Townsend because he was divorced. Even though she went on to marry Antony Armstrong-Jones, that marriage was nothing but trouble and after that Margaret struggled to find another love but failed. I watched her bio many times and felt sorry for her and that she had to die lonely.

That artical that Phoebe posted from The Times was a very good artical and it’s very true that no family is perfect. Every family have their skeletons.

I can’t wait for this wedding to happen so Kate can show us all what she is truly made of.

I just read the article. Uncle Gary needs rehab. Other than that, I think he is all talk. The Spanish police are professionals I’m sure, and know what they can make stick and what not.

Hale also what message does that send to the British public who more often than not do have an uncle Tom Dick or Gary?? Just get rid of the Middletons because they aren’t perfect? I just don’t think that sends a good message. I’m just playing devils advocate here, the snobbery undertones that will send will resonate very loudly. The doors to manual claims were not received very well by the British public and if he dumps her now I don’t think it will go down very well at all.. Not for this reason…. Some times its better the devil you do.. Sall they are a couple making out..Nothing new there. If it was Paris Hilton we were talking about there would be no clothing involved and they would be inside a house. These two are fully clothed and there is no inappropriate groping. Hands around the waist at most..

I just watched the video on Youtube. Admittedly not the best quality, but it looked pretty spontaneous to me. And very sweet.

BTW, was that a security vehicle pulling out just after PW and KM? Looks like they were in the parking lot the whole time. How spontaneous can you be under those circumstances?

Rman, you remain forever a sweetheart.

Yes, I to was disgusted by that other article in the DM. Why do they have to bring class into it?

It is not KM’s class I object to, nor have I ever objected to it.

I just don’t like the fact that this sleaze bag is a drug dealer and a pimp. How gross can you get?

As dissapointing as it is to see someone as sleazy as Uncle Gary in Kate’s otherwise pristine family, every family has an Onslow.

If the Duke of Edinburgh’s sister being married to a Nazi didn’t prevent Elizabeth from marrying her beloved Philip — particularly after the British had just sacrificed so many lives whilst fighting them during the War — then Alsgal hardly thinks Uncle Gary behaving no worse than much of the other Eurotrash on Ibiza will be a dealbreaker for William and Kate.

And thank god for that.

While Gary will certainly have “other plans” on the day of the wedding, this is hardly, though sadly, normal behavior these days for many.
He’s been a known entity for a while — best this is revealed now and not later. Clearing the path to an announcement, Alsgal thinks.

Awesome post Mapleleaf! We will see how this plays out…

Guest, don’t pay any attention to what Sall said. Anyone with eyes can see in that video that William grabbed Kate not the other way around. If she did grab him, there would be nothing wrong with that. People are just trying to use it against her. Hell I would have grabbed her too and really gave the paps a show. It would be way more than kissing.

My darling Alsgal, I’m so glad you are back.

I feel sorry for his daughter.

This situation is stirring up strong emotions on all fronts. The question I have to ask is what if that were your family? That goes for Kate and William. Iif you believe that they are soulmates and love each other dearly then you’ll believe that they’ll find a way to overcome this. If you believe that they really have already split then this will possibly be just the latest in a few missteps alomg the way. The bottom line is that it is a family situation which is hard enough. However with the fact that william is dating Kate, it becomes somewhat complicated. The question that needs to be asked is would you ask William to divorce Kate if they were married and this would have come out. Does this situation rise to the level that a relationship needs to be ended. The actions of an Uncle does not mean that these two people need to suffer foreveever. How many people in the UK and US have been touched by drugs.
I think that we all need to calm down, support both kate and william and don’t jump to conclusions about other their future.

RMAN, #50 WAS POSTED BY A KATE HATER TROLL WHO IS ATTEMPTING TO HIJACK MY SCREEN NIC HERE.

Not a coincidence that my “Guest” screen nic has been hijacked at the same time the arrival of one of the nastiest, most RANCID Kate Haters, post prolific uploaders to You Tube anti-Kate Middleton video posters has shown up here at this site to sling mud.

Steven, your site is being hijacked. You need to pay attention here.

Don’t worry Guest, the samething happened to me and I know the person that did it. Just tell them off like I did and they will go away. This happens when the royal couple make strong statements and it drives these people crazy. Why? because we live in a crazy world.

MapleLeaf, as usual you are the absolute voice of reason. I might add if the deposed — and yes he was deposed — King Edward VIII and “the woman [he] love[d]“, their Nazi sympathizing, and HIS TREASONOUS CAVORTING WITH HITLER’S NAZI HENCHMEN weren’t inappropriate, I don’t know what is. That shameless conduct makes Kate’s Uncle’s shenanigans look like the Girl Scouts.

I don’t care what her uncle does, you can rest assured he’ll never get within 50 ft of Kate, William, Buckingham Palace, or anywhere else that is remotely connnected with the inner workings of royalty.

Original Guest, out for a run…

Everyone,

Unsavory Uncle Gary might have been a known quantity, I am afraid. PW went to Ibiza, KM did not take him there. He was then 24 yrs old, heir to the throne, under all kinds of security and supervision. Wail at the government and the RF, not the Middletons, who did not seem to keep this tarnished “Gold”smith hidden.

I might not let my children hang out with this idiot, but clearly the RF did at one point. If they were ignorant, then they are truly clueless, and perhaps they should be the ones not ruling England anymore.

Then again, we do not know how much this man may have changed recently. We might he catching him at “a bad time/low point,” so to speak. It is possible that what was a recent family tragedy has become a public embarrassment. I do not know, and would love clarification.

What I do know is that it would be problematic for us to hold the Middletons at a double standard. I will repeat what was said in this site several times before: if a sister married to a high ranking Nazi did not disqualify PP (thankfully), Unsavory Uncle Gary should not disqualify KM either.

Daily Mail seems to support the known quantity theory

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201034/Kate-Middletons-drug-dealer-uncle-warned-security-chiefs-change-lifestyle.html

Sorry Guest. I was the one that posted #50. I thought “Guest” was a generic username. I didn’t know that it was someone’s official name. So forgive me.

As for my post, I’m definitely not a Kate hater. I was actually defending her. My post was in response to #38.

I feel sorry for Gary and I hope that he will get the help he needs. I have a few siblings, and I would be going crazy if this happened to one of them. I pray that everything will be okay for him. My prayers are also with Carole too.

I fully share your sentiments, Rman.

Well guys, I must say I am very impressed by the number of articles published today that seem to throw support the Middletons way. Someone is going to alot of trouble to downplay Uncle Gary and that is a very good sign,indeed.

jj, I did just read that piece as well as a very good article on the times website. I think my favorite is the quote in the DM piece where the writer paints a picture,if you will, of the DOE and Uncle Gary in the same wedding picture,LOL..

Again.today turned out to be far less painful then it appeared it would yesterday. The PR machine did it’s job.

butterfly,
IMO, Hale’s post is one of the best I have read in the past two days anywhere!

It is so much fun to experience so many different perspectives and views. I love it! : )

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23721493-details/Look+Kate+Middleton%2C+all+the+best+families+have+a+black+sheep/article.do

http://www.google.com/translate?u=svenskdam.se/2009/07/camillas-fodelsedagstarta-holl-pa-att-regna-bort/&sl=sv&tl=en

From # Phoebe #64
July 20th, 2009 18:49

“I don’t see anything “kate-hating” about post #50.”

Phoebe, lucky for you, you haven’t been around the internet. Good for you.

Thank you, Toronto. Then no harm, no foul.

Karagoisis

What is the explanation for the car park kiss if kate and will are not a romantic couple any more? When I look at the public pictures of them they don’t seem that in love with each other but the car park pictures tell a different story!

Me, I hear you but it really does not appear as if Gary wants help,lol. He seems quite happy with his lifestyle and I am sure he is very saddened that this whole episode occurred. Carole may be able to continue verbal contact with him in a decreet way, but publically she will have not choice but to shun him and Kate, well, welcome to the royal family,Kate. here is maybe her first true test to see if she has what it takes to do the job. She will have to cut him off as if he was dead. And despite his shortcomings,he is her uncle and she may love him. Just another lump of baggage that comes with the ring and the tiara.

Guest, thanks for understanding. And thanks Phoebe for defending my post. I truly was trying to counter some of the nasty stuff being said about Kate.

It’s good to see so many articles standing behind Kate and her family. They should not be held responsible for the actions of Mr. Goldsmith.

It may appear in public that they have distance themselves from Gary but I don’t think that will happen privately. This is Carole’s only brother, I’m sure she wants him to get help. She may be angry with him but I don’t think she will cut him off entirely.

Fiametta,
If all families are the same, and you are equating Lord Frederick Windsor and Prince Harry with Gary Goldsmithm you are saying they are all the same, then in your mind why do some of them have titles and others do not?

The reporters are also seeing no difference between their own families and royal families, that seems to be the main argument: that all people should be one big happy family with no distinctions between royal, middle class, commoner etc. That is what this has turned into IMO.

That Princess Maxima case is a good emample. His father really didn’t come to his daughter’s wedding. Maxima said it was very painful for heras a daughter, but she (and his father) wanted to respect the feelings of the Dutch people (disdain for Argentina junta and human rights crime).

I hope W&K and Middleton family can enjoy their summer after all this embarrasment and stir.

Jayhawk, sorry but you’re wrong. He didnt grabbed the brazilian girl’s boob. It was a bad gesture when he tried to put his arms around her for the photo she asked for.

Everybody forgot princess mette-marit’s father (drug addict, leaving with a prostitute and marrying her at the end of his life and posing for very shocking photos and he was the bride’s father) for princess maxima, her father was member of the goverment of the last argentinian dictator (part of the military government means responsible for all decisions made by this dictator and excuse me for it’s far more horrible and criminal than what did uncle gary and maxima will be queen of netherlands) !!! Princess mathilde of belgium had too difficulties with his father (aristocrat) who had problem with fraud and leak information sensible to the press and on TV!

Rman,
I never said the royal family is perfect. I simply asked people to reflect on why they are called the royal family and other families are not. Then maybe they could view this incident with Kate’s uncle from a new and more realistic perspective.

When I was a kid, I thought royalty only existed in farytales. When I got older I was shocked to learn that we really have royal families around the world. That’s when I became facinated with royalty in general. But I began to notice that the whole idea of royalty was glamourized way to much. For a very longtime people thought royalty was better than everyone else because they lived in palaces, castles, rode in carriges and wore the best threads. I use to think that everything was peaches & cream if you was royalty but I later woke up to reality. No matter how much money you have and no matter where you live, we all are in the same boat. There may be some differences but not that much. Since the dawn of civilization there has been a number of superior families and number of non superior families. That’s just the way it is.

Fiametta,
Congratulations on getting your Ph.D. in history. I admire those who pursure higher education.

Actually I know how families received their titles, which is common knowledge for many students of history, which I am. That is not my point.

My point is why are we even talking about a boy named William Windsor? A man named Charles Windsor? A woman by the name of Elizabeth Windsor?

Why are these people discussed on boards like this in these modern times?

Rman,
Thanks! I agree with you. There is nothing like the house of Windsor! I guess many of us have the love of history in common!

Yeah history has always been my favorite subject in school.

Hi Fiametta ! Here is another historian who has a Master´s degree in history. I’m just interested in the future of the European monarchies, if and how they will survive in this century?

If they go, I hope they have a good time and this mess out of their heads like Charles advised Kate to do.

Clover, thank you for your congratulations on my PhD — a touch late, since I earned it 17 years ago and have been teaching at universities and working in European historical archives, on the basis of post-graduate study in Paleography in several languages, since well before I was awarded the degree — but I appreciate the thought.

Hale is absolutely correct in his/her summation of the situation.

Wills should either marry Miss Middleton and abdicate or let her go. None of this is good for the BRF and that is the most important yet sad aspect to all of this media sensationalism.

In this cynical age whereby anti-monarchy sentiments are flooding the media, this is the last thing HM QEII needs.

Furthermore, William’s immature attempt to prove his love goes against the very fabric of his position. He should never stoop to such levels as to be seen kissing anyone, let alone his love, in a dark and smutty carpark to prove a point. It reeks of commonness and it’s the stuff you’d expect from Jordan and Peter Andre not the future King and Queen of England. If he loves her then he need only allow her to be in his life. That alone is the only demonstration needed.

I’m sorry to say this, but this is the final straw for me. I like Miss Middleton but this is stretching my admiration too far. My love for the monarchy and all that it stands for overrides this utter rubbish.

This relationship is untenable and has been increasingly so since they split/didn’t split a year or two ago. It’s simply not the actions of royalty in my opinion. You don’t parade yourself around the place being in then out of the same jolly relationship. You either maintain a dignified attachment which is conducted in privacy or you are not involved in that relationship at all.

How do both William and Kate expect the ordinary man to respect them when they are trying to manipulate the media and the way they are seen? They must be above all of this for it’s the actions of publicity hungry celebrities not royalty. If not, then they are as bad as the B grade celebrities they mimic.

Mapleleaf, I think some people are losing their minds for nothing over this. The whole situation is not all that serious that William has to step down from his position when he marries Kate.

I think everyone needs to get a grip and calm down because it’s not even all that serious. The royals are being supportive of the Middletons that that alone should let everyone know that the situation is not all that serious. The couple will be fine but everyone else need to take a chill pill.

bluefire, Charles told Kate to “put all this story out of her mind”

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/200907231702/camilla-duchess/granddaughter/laura-bowles-twins/1/

I am having trouble understanding the argument that the RF should be the “most moral family” of the nation. Either they are selected by birth and therefore above most common (literally and figuratively) concerns, or they simply become actors playing a role for the nation.

To history buffs out there: Is it true that whenever we have had Queens, their virtuousness has been seen as a mayor characteristic? Elizabeth the First and her virginity (as well as her bravery); Victoria and her morality; and our current Queen. It has not been so with our Kings, however. We are much more lenient with them

This whole thing has me bored to tears. Congrats to Charles and Camilla.

I hope there will be something worth discussing soon because GG’s 15 mins of shame is officially over in my book.

Lisa and Rman,

So over! However, my own (perhaps too discreet) attempts to change the topic have fallen flat.

For awhile now I have tried to figure out why I believe in this couple so much and I come to a conclusion that destiny has brought William & Kate together and I do believe that they are ment to be.

Somehow I think St. Pauls will be the choice Lisa.

Oh Lisa, not the Abbey.

1. You gotta walk around Churchill’s grave to get up the aisle. That breaks up the procession. Just not a smooth walk.

2. That is where Diana’s funeral was. Not a good memory for William.

St. Paul’s definitely.

Thank you Lisa. Good-bye GG 15 minutes up!

Now to the question of where PW & KM should get married. Are there no other places to get married other than the Abby (Diana’s funeral) or St.Pauls (Diana’s wedding)? Obviously I am not from England. Wherever they decide to have it I doubt they will have as grand wedding as PC & Diana.

Where did Peter & Autumn get married – can’t remember.

kd,
Am I missing something? Was an engagement announced by SJP or CH today? I didn’t see anything in the news.

Lisa,
I understand what you guys are doing, but I think that planning a wedding between these two before an official engagement is announced may be going too far! : )

I have an idea let’s talk about Prince William’s summer schedule. : )

Hello,

rosettaresearch,

I do believe that the grave you comment on at 141 above is not at the Abbey but in a small country churchyard at Bladon near to his birthplace at Blenheim near Woodstock Oxfordshire.

The drug issue is obviously taken more seriously by the UK members posting here and I am sure that senior Royals, especially PP will make some issue over it.

Did anyone else think that the car park incident was slightly childish and not an appropriate way for a King in Waiting x 2 to show support for a possible Queen in Waiting x 2 ?

Guys, yet again, don’t start counting chickens , give them a break. There is still a lot of waiting to do and as recent events have shown, anything can and may happen.

Ked it’s good to hear from you again.

I think the royals are happy that Kate had nothing to do with her uncles actions and William probably helped set the record straight. They know this girl and will not judge her because what her uncle did. Charles has reached out to Kate so that alone tells me that they are in her corner.

As for the kiss, I think William & Kate showed everybody where to go by letting it be known that they are in love and will not let this issue hurt what they have built together. I don’t really think the kiss was a setup like people are making it out to be but the message is clear on how they feel. I know everyone want to make it seem like they knows what’s best for the couple but I think it’s important for us to not forget who is incharge of this show, William & Kate. It’s so obvious that they are in love and are sticking together. In two months time we will see Kate at another royal wedding so I think they will make it be known again that Kate remains to be the next future Queen.

Very true Ked that nothing is guaranteed but it’s important for us to remain positive and look to the future with hope. Hope that these two did not come this long way and gone through so much together for nothing.

The issue has not snow balled.

Glad to hear your thoughts Ked.

Maybe a wedding will happen eventually, but given the circumstances at hand, talk of a wedding IMO is akin to grasping at straws.

I’m not from the UK, but I take the drug issue seriously. I feel for KM. It was beyond her control, but the situation confirms some of the doubts and suspicious I have instinctively had all along that some of the actions of the Middleton family have seemed to have had a careless and over-the-top undertone to them, and that it is ultimately damaging to William.

I think he will see the light and move on. This is just too heavy of a burden to carry now, unless it is true love, but there is so much doubt surrounding that, that it is hard to believe.

Redlady, do you have any insights about what is transpiring around the town/village? What are you hearing in the pubs, and what is the mood?

Sorry I misspelled Scandal.

It’s time for us to separate Kate’s life from her uncles life.

Yes, it would be interesting to hear if Redlady has heard what people are saying down at the pub.

When is the next polo match?

LOL, Clover of course.

CMM wrote…
“It’s simply not the actions of royalty in my opinion. You don’t parade yourself around the place being in then out of the same jolly relationship. You either maintain a dignified attachment which is conducted in privacy or you are not involved in that relationship at all.

How do both William and Kate expect the ordinary man to respect them when they are trying to manipulate the media and the way they are seen? They must be above all of this for it’s the actions of publicity hungry celebrities not royalty. If not, then they are as bad as the B grade celebrities they mimic”

Totally agree with you 100%. The RF are not some reality TV family. They represent the British people and the Commonwealth. They should continue do this with dignity and grace.

Ked….I found the ‘staged’ car park kiss, childish and wholly distasteful. I felt our monarchy was being reduced to the kind of celebratisim of ‘Big Brother’ programmes and ‘Heat’ magazine. Gross and wholly inappropriate, and not the way a future King should conduct himself.

I have a question to pose. To some of those who post here and at other places.

Have some of you been caught up in the image of the young princess tragically killed in her prime, and the image of her two young sons at the funeral? Followed by all the conspiracy theories.

I can’t help but wonder if some of the posters are viewing the princes and their relationships with the same curiosity and interest which followed the assasination of JFK, his late wife and their children.

Diana has become something of a cult now, and perhaps her sons have become an extension of this.

I don’t claim to speak for the entire British nation, but I truly believe on the whole that is not how we in England view the princes. The monarchy is a part of the history, heritage and institutions of our country. Throughout the monarchy’s history it has become in its own way a fabric of our lives, and in an absurd way we now have posters attempting a Marc Bolland style tactic in dishing former members of the RF, going as far back as 500 years to prove a point.

What is worse, Prince Phillip himself has been cited, because his sisters married members of the Nazi party. Choosing to forget, that PP himself willingly and freely volunteed to serve this country, and was quite prepared to pay the ultimate sacrifice if need be.

Hale, I can’t speak for everyone on here but the only reason why I bring up past royal mistakes is because people act like the whole Goldsmith issue is bigger than the Abdication Crisis of 1937. What really saddens me is that you make it seem like Gary Goldsmith will bring down the royal family if Kate marry William. I don’t understand why you would think like that.

What I find so great about the Monarchy is that they may be shaken a bit but they are never brought down by a scandal and this current situation is very small potatoes compared what the royals have gone through in the past.

I’m not afraid to admit that I often read what people say about Kate and her relationship with William on the other forums. Many of them don’t even care about how William feels about Kate, they just want him to dump her because she don’t fit the profile of the ideal woman they have in mind for him, so they trash her to death.

They imagine this perfect woman in his life with no baggage but they really need to wake up to reality and realize that every couple will bring some baggage with them in a relationship, the person that has the most baggage in this royal relationship is William. William really seem to love this girl and I think once people start respecting that and trust that he won’t bring any harm to his family’s institution, then things will be okay.

If that kiss was a set up, I think William & Kate did what they felt was right and let us all know that their love for each other will see them through this. I don’t blame them for making that known. He could have released a statement but physical actions speak louder than words and that kiss told me what I needed to know. That’s why I’m not flipping out over Gary’s case. It’s a issue that won’t harm the couple.

I agree Mapleleaf and I really enjoyed your insightful post. You mentioned some things I didn’t even know.

I do suggest my dear Hale to buy that hat.

Excellent post mapleleaf.

IMO what has been forgotten that PW will be King and K will only queen. While both Elizabeths have been/are great queens, the actual power position with PW & K is PW – the future king.

They didn’t have the media coverage and internet then to have their stories spread like wildfires.

Regarding PP, During that time I think most royals would have supported fascism to communism.

This is just my opinion but I think the tough part for Kate is that she has no voice of her own and she don’t have the opportunity to show people what she is made of and what she can do. She shows her amazing strength to carry on with her life and royal relationship but I think she is in a very stifling position. This is just one of the reasons why I stay in her corner because she can’t stick up for herself.

I think the love and understanding she gets from William, family and friends keeps her going but I sometimes wonder how long can she just standby and watch people talk about her and her family in such a horrible way? I hope that next year will be her time to shine and that she will be able to let everyone see who the real Kate Middleton is and what she can bring to the royal family.

It would be nice if she could go on that Commonwealth tour with William so we could at least see her in action and just not sitting by the sidelines with no voice of her own. I think it’s time to let this girl out of her jar so she can breathe.

Mapleleaf, excellent post. Well said!

sojourner, the Victoria-to-HM connection is as follows: Victoria – Edward VII – George V – George VI – Elizabeth II

I think it was set up by people who want to embarrass kate and her family. I think they know an engagement is near and they are trying everything to stop it. Just my conspiracy theory!

There are more negative connotations associated with poor drug users than the rich and privileged ones. unfair yes , but true

I agree with you, Maddie. There are a lot of people jealous of Kate because they want William themselves and make snide comments about her facial features, clothes, etc. And, most importantly, the last thing republicans want is a snazzy new princess to make the monarchy even cooler.The continuation of the monarchy will be solidified with their marriage and the birth of an heir.

I have said from the begining, because the press could not find anything on KM they had to go to her uncle for a story. I think KM will make a wonderful queen. I dont think there will be all the drama that Diana or Fergie brought to the RF (don’t get me wrong – I am a huge Diana fan). I believe the PW & KM are truely in love and have a great freindship as well – and in the end that is what it takes… a great friendship.

Oh, no, I am talking about Gary again! But I could not resist.

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That man in black clothes looks like one of Williams bodyguards. Hope the bodyguard(s) got an extra payment.

Hope th dog got some extra biscuits.

You are right Hale, Kate has captured William’s heart and I really don’t think he gives a flying fig what people say about her. No one knows that girl better than he do and I sometimes think that’s why some people find it hard to accept her because they don’t know her like William does. Kate has no scandal attached to her personally and people are just trying to hard to dig for something so the public and media won’t like her but they are very unsuccessful. The media has jumped to her side they know she is not a bad person and neither is her family.

Hale there were many odds against Philip but the Queen married him because she loved him and only had eyes for him. The same thing can be said about Kate, William loves her and that’s all that matters.

Rman, you are such a sweetie. Why O’ why no girl has ever swept you off your feet is beyond my comprehension.

I shall in due recourse voice my opinions about the media response. But unfortunately, I am currently doing battle elsewhere.

Sorry Steve.

Hale,

I guess a scandal is in the eye of the beholder. Certainly, as many have said in this forum before, time puts everything in perspective. We will see what time says about this.

So far, though, I would not consider it a “huge scandal.”

Rman, for me there is nothing hypocritical about this at all. We didn’t know about this until last Sunday.

Are people so wrapped up in a possible royal wedding, are they so engrossed in Babara Cartland style romance stories that they do not see that the monarchy is all about sacrifice, duty and work, work, work?

Is a thousand year institution which has survived against all the odds now to be undone because people believe in ‘fairy stories’?

That has never been how I have viewed the monarchy, and it isn’t what the monarchy is about.

Romance and fairy stories is just something the media hypes and sells because it represents advertising revenue.

Wallis Simpson was a social climber, “David,” aka Edward VIII was a borderline traitor that Wintston Churchill basically outmaneouvered from the throne, and Mountbatten was a bit over-confident regarding his position with the royal family because of his nephew’s fortunate nuptials. Kate, nor her family, including her Uncle Gary, begin to compare to that SORRY lot.