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July 21st, 2009 06:39
their future would be normal
July 21st, 2009 06:42
Steven, great link! Thanks for the video. It helps to put things into perspective a bit. Uncle Gary will eventually go away and be replaced by some other scandal. The one thing I do think is that the RF had to have known,based on investigations of Kate,that this guy was around. Maybe it is good that he was flushed out now and not two weeks before the wedding?
July 21st, 2009 07:04
Thanks for the video.
July 21st, 2009 07:38
Wow again.
The spin is in! Solid wall of sympathy from the media so far. And yet… does anyone else still feel uneasy, as if the tide is about to turn?
July 21st, 2009 08:34
No, everything will be alright.
It is good to see the media standing up for Kate and her family. Some people won’t like that but that’s tough. Her family has suffered way too long with the snobbery from some royal bloggers. As we seen in that video that William is in love and that’s not about to change. He and his family showed full support for her at the polo match.
July 21st, 2009 08:43
How low can the news of the world go? Being so sneaky with a hidden camera. I wonder when they will get out of the gutter. I’m quite sure none of this will impact on KM. None of us can choose our relatives let alone our neighbours. OK her uncle appears to be an idiot but that is nothing to do with her or her mother for than matter. KM and PW are a lovely couple and will go on to be wonderful monarch’s. I think everyone should stop buying the nasty paper just like the people of Liverpool boycotted The Sun when they printed garbage.
July 21st, 2009 08:47
Sadly, the NOTW appeals to the “gotcha” crowd, and to those unhappy souls that like company in their misery.
Thanks for that shot of optimism, Rman.
July 21st, 2009 08:54
More articles:
http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/hit–run-blue-blood-black-sheep-1754368.html
Hit & Run: Blue blood, black sheep
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1200995/CRAIG-BROWN-As-Crocs-hit-rocks-shoes-hated-love.html
Welcome to the Firm, Uncle Gary
July 21st, 2009 08:56
Don’t worry, Kate Middleton. My family is bleating with black sheep
By Kathy Lette
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/5872502/Dont-worry-Kate-Middleton.-My-family-is-bleating-with-black-sheep.html
July 21st, 2009 09:02
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/royalwatch/news/article_1490970.php/Kate_Middletons_uncle_warned
Kate Middleton\’suncle was warned about his hedonistic lifestyle over fears he would embarrass the British royal family.
Spanish police are reportedly investigating uncle Gary\’s claims, but it is unlikely any action will be taken against him.
July 21st, 2009 09:09
sojourner, I don\’t think the tide will turn. As many of the papers have pointed out,there are scandals in the RF that make this look like childsplay. It is great to see the mainstream media taking the Middletons side for a change and I believe it is because the know a much bigger story is coming.
BTW, I have read some of the recent posts at RA and I must say that some of the posters there are very intelligent and offer great thoughts. I wish more of them would post here. As a matter of principle,I will not post at that site because of some of the stories JE has run over there but the posters there are a pleasure to read.
July 21st, 2009 09:16
Lisa,
Righto about RA. And JE, who seems to have lost his marbles and then some. And hopefully also right about the bigger news.
July 21st, 2009 09:49
Yeah it is good the media supporting the Middleton’s. I think this story hit close to home for many people and they are making it known that no family is perfect, not even the royal family.
I know the Cartier International Polo match is coming up on the 26 but William has a couple of engagements on that day. I wonder if Kate or Pippa will go?
July 21st, 2009 09:50
Yes I pray that some good news will come.
July 21st, 2009 11:28
1. It is questionable, based on the evidence in the NOTW article, that GG could be charged with either “drug dealing” or “pimping”. He is definitely a user (using is not a crime; possession with intent to sell is), and he certainly tried to set up a deal with his supplier for the NOTW “reporters”. Does that make him a “dealer”? I don’t think so, but that depends on Spanish law.
2. Ditto for the “pimping”, although this is a closer question. I don’t see any evidence in the article that GG was either using or “pimping” underage girls. Prostitution is a fact of life, whether we like it or not. High paid prostitutes and their johns are essentially immune from prosecution because they are wealthy and high-born. If they were prosecuted, a significant number of royal, aristocratic and wealthy men would be in jail. What police force is going to go there? None in Spain, I’m sure, and probably not in Britain either.
3. In our concern for Carole Middleton and her family’s feelings, we are forgetting that GG has a daughter himself. How must she feel to see her father exposed like this in the press? If the NOTW thought they were doing some kind of public service by outing this man, it’s lost on me.
4. KM and her family and PW and his family should put their efforts towards charities that try to rehabilitate drug-using prostitutes, of whom there are many. That would be great PR.
July 21st, 2009 11:32
Hello Criminal Defense, I agree with your entire post.
July 21st, 2009 11:33
I am glad to see the media suppporting the Middleton’s too. I will say it one more time – you cannot control what your family members do or say. What is clear is that Kate & her immidiate family have done nothing wrong and have handle themselves so incredibly well over the years and are handling themselves wonderfullly right now. It seems that the paps could not find any juicy gossip about Kate so they had to go to an Uncle to whom they had to trick to get him to talk.
Kate – hold your head high and don’t let them bring you down. You have more class than most!
July 21st, 2009 11:33
I didn\’t see any evidence of prostitution on the video. He seems the type that likes his ego stroked and liked the attention that the reporters gave him. Hopefully uncle Gary will be very quiet from now on and sink into the wood work for a couple of years.. I\’m very glad that the press have been supportive. Miguel Head and the press sectary whose name escapes me have done a fantastic job of handling this crisis which could have turned out to be much much worse. Sojourner I understand your fears. I am too just holding my breath and hoping that nothing worse come from any of this.
July 21st, 2009 12:14
Yes the team is doing a great job. The sooner Kate’s voice is heard and people see her in action, the better things will be. That’s why I hope we will get some good news soon. I’m glad this stuff is starting to calm down now.
July 21st, 2009 12:40
i hv bin reading here 4 a while and decided 2 put mi 2 cents. 4 a “black sheep” in the RF look no futher dan Prince Harry bt we luv him coz he is fun. My family has so many crazy pple that i think us normal pple in d farmily are d black sheep. I the way the media is supporting kate and kinda saying they will judge her 4 her sins not her uncles. NB: i hv 2 get the SJP PR team, they a gud. hew
July 21st, 2009 12:45
sorry for the spelling mistakes, too much testing and chatting on Mxit does that to ones spelling. also wanted to say “I LIKE the way the media…”
July 21st, 2009 12:50
Criminal Defence. GG was reassuring the undercover reporters that he could efficently deliver. That is Conspiracy to Supply Drugs and is illegal in the UK. GG was also reassuing the undercover reporters that he could proccur them girls in the UK. That to is illegal in the UK, and is deemed as ‘pimping’. Whether you agree with the law or not.
I do apologise Steve, but if its alright with you I should like to copy my own posting from another site to yours.
I also apologise if it sounds like I am repeating myself.
Prince Phillip was a serving officer in the Royal Navy during WWII. He was deemed a high flier. He served Britain with distinction and was mentioned in dispatches twice, and was tipped for the post of Admiral. Unfortunately, the King died and his wife the Queen ascended the throne and that put paid to PP career in the RN. Take note, he wasn’t regarded as a high flier because of his royal title, but because of his own merits, and because of his service people chose to ignore the fact that his sisters married German nobleman who were also members of the SS. However, they were not invited to the wedding of then Princess Elizabeth and Prince Phillip.
Yes, the RF themselves are not without sin. One King had two of his wives executed, another King himself was executed. Two of them were gay, at a time when this was not acceptable. One King lost his marbles. Many others were serial adulterers, and another member of the RF has even been accused of being Jack the Ripper. But all these scandals have been tempered with history.
As for the Queens uncle the late Duke of Kent, whom led a very ‘exotic’ lifestyle. It is true the newspapers knew of that at the time but in those days they didn’t publish stories which could be damaging to the monarchy. I am familiar with Viscount Linley’s predicament, and the attempt to blackmail him. But we have never seen the images nor heard the tapes. Furthermore, he is way down the pecking order in so far as the succession is concerned.
However, we do have the images of GG and hear by his own admission how efficiently he could supply drugs and procur ***s.
No amount of press supportive articles will ever extinguish those images. The press can no longer dictate to people what they should think. They no longer have the pulse of the people. The internet and forums put paid to that. It should also be remembered the press are a fickle breed and blow with the wind.
Quote from: MapleLeaf on Today at 12:36:06 AM
It’s also helpful as well that his last name ISN’T Middleton, but Goldsmith. It’s a small detail, but having a different last name Kate’sate’s actually helps to provide some psychological distance between Kate Middleton and dodgy uncle Goldsmith.
Loved your post Mapleleaf. I do see what you mean. However, consider this; We in England are always seeing one documentary after another about the Royals. They are on various channels. In future whenever you see a documentary about William, it will invariably mention Kate and it invariably mention her uncle.
If William marries Kate. Various stories will emerge over the course of time as to what GG is doing, and will eventually be used as a stick to beat them with.
Have you all given thought to what exactly the RF do? For example, when William visits Centrepoint, and other charities which deal with drug addicts. The press will invariably mention good ole GG. What will William tell these addicts? ”Just say No”. Thats great, ”So Wills, how’s your uncle doing?” Embarrassing.
When the RF travel to foreign countries, some of the reason they go on these visits is to encourage trade with these countries and pave the way for trade delegations. This is something which the RF do very well, and have never been accorded they’re fair share of the credit. In future all rivals will have to do is whisper in a few editors ears, increase their advertising revenue and ask them to run a story of Kate’s uncle. GG, the dealer and pimp. Therby rendering the royal visit worthless.
Lets face it, one day the Queen is going to kick the bucket. Just because her mum lived to a glorious age it doesn’t mean the Queen will. Prince Charles will ascend the throne and despite all of Bollands efforts to ingratiate Camilla, he is not out of the woods yet.
I happen to believe Prince Charles will be a very good King. He talks more sense than our politicians. But that is not the way the press treat him. Ever since the Diana debacle, virtually everything Charles does or say is deliberately misconstrued and taken out of context.
I have no doubt he will be a controversial King. Therefore, he is reliant on his own son, to raise his popularity and present an acceptable continuance to what is the British monarchy. Fat chance of that with William intent on marrying a woman whose uncle is a what? B-list, Z-list dealer and pimp. In light of how the press treat Charles now, it would only be a matter of time before they start throwing his own brother in law at him.
In other words, Kate’s uncle becomes another stick to beat Charles with, thereby rendering his powers useless.
The monarchy is reliant on presenting an ever ending positive image. It has survived several scandals in the past 70 years, and this is down to two women. The late Queen Mother and the Queen.
We in this country expect our monarchy to be beyond reproach. They are required to conduct themselves as if they were role models. Never ending duties and sacrifices on our behalf. Of course they are human just like the rest of us, and they make mistakes. But in light of what they do we are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
We expect our royal family to represent us here and abroad. They are a conduit and channel between public and politicians. The RF represent the honour and dignity of our country. They are our status symbol.
Our empire is long gone and the RF gives us a world stage. And no prime minister or elected head of state will every be able to do what they do, because the RF are and must remain politically neutral.
Now all this is to be underminded because of a girls uncle. This story is going to run and run. I daresay it will have its moments when it dies a little, but it will always be brought up again and again. How Kate, the future Queen of England has an uncle who is a dealer and a pimp.
Just because the press are currently adopting the, ”Oh, everyone has a blacksheep in their family,” attitude. It doesn’t mean they will continue taking that line. It may be that the RF may even be able to thrash out some sort of agreement with the press so as never to mention good ole uncle GG. But they cannot control the worlds press.
This whole sorry mess is an embarrassment to me and my country and I hate it.
Yes, poor Kate. It isn’t her fault, she herself hasn’t done anything wrong, but all this is beyond her and the RF and cannot and will not be contained, no matter how many times they kiss in car parks.
If William wishes to marry Kate, fine I have no problem with that providing he steps down and renounces his claims to the throne. I repeat, I do not want a future Queen of England who I shall always be reminded of the fact that our future Queen also has a sleazy, vile uncle.
In regards to the article from the Daily Mail about security. Am I the only one here who feels it has made the situation worse?
According to the article, security warned GG about his hedonistic lifestyle. In other words, they knew about him. Thats what the article implied to me.
Whats worse, security not only knew about him, but William was due to go there this year as well. Unbelievable. Heads should roll for this. What are we paying our taxes for? Royal protection officers cannot be a***** to do their job.
Yet what the Daily Mail is not questioning, or anyone else for that matter is the serious security lapse, and how they have failed to protect a future king of England from a potentially embarassing scenario which has now arised.
July 21st, 2009 13:11
Lisa, I’m hope your medical procedure worked out okay and you are speedily recovering.
Get better soon, and glad to see you back.
July 21st, 2009 13:27
What a terrible thing those reporters have done! How low will they stoop? This has nothing to do with Kate or Will’s! This junk isn’t even news worthy. People should boycot NOTW!
July 21st, 2009 13:55
Hale,
I really don’t know what to write. You have stood up for William and Kate. You have defended them here and other places. I can’t imagine how you are feeling. I am not Brititsh and I do not live over where you are. I am not trying to belittle or trivialize your feelings. I would hope after everything that Kate and William have been through that they should not split up. They are actually in a no win position. If they split to preserve the dignity of the monarchy by the standards that you have set, they will be miserable. Could William ever consider stepping aside so again by your standards the monarchy is preserved. I think that would be unfair to both of them. I do not know the solution except both parties need to be very sure of their feelingstogether. I would hope that they would stay togerher and prove to everyone in spite of Kate’s uncle they can be a family. They coould use themselves as a model of what not to doo with drugs. Kate could make this one of her charities, Hopefully, her uncle will get some help
July 21st, 2009 14:43
i think this whole issue brings up, to echo hale’s feelings, the idea that the royal family is meant to be a standard of propriety and honour and there are so many little things that just do not add up to that sum.
i think kate is, in comparison to much of today’s youth, a fabulous young woman who is educated and is helping her family’s business. however, are those good enough credentials to be a queen and THE standard of ideals etc for a society? as a Canadian, i am not directly affected by the RF (tax dollars etc) but the ruling monarch is still my nation’s head of state. in that capacity, i would like to see a strong young woman who is passionately pursuing her interests, is generous and altruistic and is keen on making her mark on the world, and not putting all of that aside to create an on-call lifestyle to a prince or what have you.
we can make all the excuses and spins in the world, but the truth that we definitely and absolutely know and have seen is that kate is not that strong young woman and has done nothing but wait around for william. i’m not saying that working for your family business is not a good direction as i in fact also help my father in his real estate holdings, but i do believe that its kind of hard to say that that is her passion and the path that she had ALWAYS had in mind for herself considering that she stepped into that role after a few years of being targeted for being “work shy”- face it guys, it was her easy way to shut all that off.
william loves her, and she loves him sure. but i dont think its about who william loves etc and whether or not she is right for HIM as a person- she is and their time together through everything has shown that.
the question, rather, is: is she good enough for the people of britain, and is she good enough to be looked up to as the standard of morals and propriety etc that the queen is meant to project for her people?
July 21st, 2009 15:01
Excellent post Hale!
Thanks for saying what many here may not want to hear.
July 21st, 2009 15:12
Rina, I totally understand what you are saying but lets not forget that Kate is not officially a member of the royal family yet so we just have to wait and see what good qualities she will bring to the royal family and country. There’s a big limit on what she can do at this time. Right now she is persuing her own interest in photography at her family job but once the engagement is announced, you will see what kind of interests she has and the great things she can do. All of the young women that has married to prince’s in Europe has gone through this. One they marry, their hearts are allowed to sing openly and they go on to represent their countries well.
I think William has established that Kate is the right person for him and she will be right for the country when the time comes. He will not bring just anything into the royal family and will not just pick anyone to be his future Queen. I think people have to learn to trust this guy because I don’t think he will do any harm to the institution in which he was born into. So the problem that people have is not with Kate but with William. There’s so much lack of trust that people have with William and his decisions and also people are scared on what’s going to happen once the Queen dies. Lets trust this guy because his mother believed in him since he was a child and she was really trying her best to get him ready for his future role. I have faith that God will lead William to be a good King someday and I trust that he will give Britain a good Queen. Lets just hope that when the time comes she will be a good Queen. The opprotunity has to come her way first.
July 21st, 2009 15:16
Thank you Clover. Kat, I feel sick to my stomach and really, really down. I was so certain of this couple, that despite all what people said of them, they would make it.
I was also certain Kate would if given the chance prove everybody wrong. But this uncle story would only cloud everything.
kat, is a good idea of yours to take this negative and turn it into a positive. But, the press would only present Kate as an hypocrite. Unfairly so.
Its not Kates fault. It is down to her uncle. But Williams security must take its share of the blame also.
July 21st, 2009 15:29
Hale, you list several of the more sordid monarchs of British history but they have been tempered by history. Then you say that William should give up the throne if he wants to be with Kate. Otherwise YOU will have to be reminded about her uncle constantly.
How about letting history temper this peccadillo? Compared to offing wives on false evidence, having a drug dealing Uncle is small potatoes. It is her UNCLE for goodness’ sake. She has NO control over what he does. She didn’t even have a choice in having him for a relative. She can have no further contact with him. But, give up William to keep others from being uncomfortable, not hardly.
This is nothing and history will show that it will not make one whit of difference in how Queen Catherine is perceived.
July 21st, 2009 15:32
The media and public had the same worries about Diana when she first came on the royal scene. They knew she was only 20 years old and they thought she was too young to handle the responsiblities of being a future Queen. “shy Di” is what they use to call her but she proved that age didn’t matter, she pulled through and was a excellent consort to the Prince of Wales. Her personality shined through the doubt and people believed that the Monarchy’s future was bright. Diana was simply given the chance to show the world that she had a gift. Kate has to be given the chance now so it’s wrong to expect so much from a person that’s not even a royal yet.
I don’t know if you guys read on the other site on what kind of wife they think William should have but they are expecting a superwoman to be their future Queen and that’s not reality. William found someone that he loves and he must hope that we will love her too when the time comes for her to be his official consort.
July 21st, 2009 15:36
Rosettaresearch, totally agree with your point.
July 21st, 2009 15:44
This was her uncle, not her father, not her brother. This too shall pass. History has proven that time softens this type of incident on both sides of the Atlantic – Kennedy family, CIA director in a dress, Billy Carter, President Clinton….
If this is such a horrible event; and Wills must give up the throne for the woman he loves, is everyone ready for King Harry? Party on RF, party on!
July 21st, 2009 15:46
Hale I would advise you to go out and buy that Hat because these two will move pass this, it’s not the end of the world. Now it’s up to the people to move pass this silliness and not make this into a big issue. Camillia’s children was once invloved with drugs and was a bad influence on William & Harry at the time. Did that stop Charles from marrying their mother and making her a future Queen? NO. Camilla’s children got better and now they both are happily married with children.
I’m sure William has reassured Kate and her family that everything is going to be fine so now it’s up to us to not make such a big deal about this subject. The longer the royal boards keep the converstaion fresh, the more likely the press will try to keep the conversation fresh too and I don’t think that’s what CH, BP SJP or the couple wants.
July 21st, 2009 16:31
rosettaresearch,
You know that you can not accurately and meaningfully compare actions taken in 1536 to those taken in 2009, it doesn’t make for good comparisons given all the social and political changes that have occurred between then and now.
Clearly what Henry the VIII did in the 14th century is related to the social structure people lived under at that time and much has changed! This is surely what Hale means when he refers to the way history tempers such actions.
What Uncle Goldsmith is doing is illegal and highly stigmatizing in the modern world, in 2009.
Taking drugs is not good for anyone, anywhere. Uncle Goldsmith was chopping lines of cocaine in the video I saw. Have you ever watched the show Intervention on A & E about drug use and other addictions?
Prostitution has its problems as well for both the pimp and the prostitute, but I won’t go into that right now. I’ll let you use your imagination.
Right, right, right, Kate does not have CONTROl over her Uncles actions, but she did use her judgement when she took the Prince to Ibiza to spend time with her Uncle at La Maison Bang Bang? Right? How did that trip happen if Kate did not have control over her own behavior?
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that Kate approved of her Uncle and may not REALLY disapprove of him right now she may only be in the process of distancing herself from him now because she was forced to by the press.
In fact, Prince William and Kate had plans to visit UG this summer!
The jury is still out on how this UG incident will be played out! Some here are stating with absolute confidence that the storm has passed, it has been less than a week since we learned of this incident.
I think the best indicator of this storm passing will be an official annoucnement of an engagement between Prince William and Kate Middleton, then I will say she got past this.
Until then I just don’t know what will happen…
July 21st, 2009 16:49
Well even though I think this whole thing need to be dropped because are really jumping to conclusions but I think we need to ask ourselves, did William & Kate know that Gary was dealing drugs when they visited him in 06? You think you really know people but they probably didn’t even know that he was involved with that when they took their trip. he could be the nice and over the top uncle Gary when they are around but another person when he’s not around family. The man lives in the Mediterranean, his world is different from what William & Kate world is.
I know this story has shaken up everyone but everything will be okay. Don’t let Gary Goldsmith dash your hopes for the couple. Troubles don’t last always. This will pass but first we have to let it pass.
July 21st, 2009 16:56
Why place all the blame on KM? Doesn’t PW have control over his own behavior? As usual, KM’s getting blamed for everything.
July 21st, 2009 17:03
Well
There is always the chance that they could do things the American way, that is public apology & rehab, it’s a possibility.
July 21st, 2009 17:04
It’s true it’s not fair at all. It’s time for people to get off her back about her uncle. She’s her own person and that’s the person that William loves. As some people on here have been saying, all that matters is that William loves her and she loves him.
July 21st, 2009 17:09
Rman,
You ask good questions and unfortunately we do not have the answers.
Yes! This incident has been very emotional.
Trolls go home,
Please don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill, I was responding to a post by rosettareseach in which she addressed Kate specifically about the issue of control.
Obviously, Prince William should take responsibility for his behavior in any and every situation. Please don’t accuse me of picking on Kate and not PW.
July 21st, 2009 17:18
Uncle Goldsmith also said that they will get engaged this year.
So William RAF training in August, Kate’s Mustique trip and Balmoral Bank holiday is not happening, but Uncle Goldsmith’s bragging of a “summer” visit will be taken as a fact.
Did any of the papers take for certain that Uncle Goldsmith was in drugs in 2006? Not.
July 21st, 2009 17:21
The video of KM’s uncle and the photos of KM and PW kissing are just a big coincidence.
The video of KM’s uncle occurred few days before the kiss, and suddenly out of nowhere PW and KM appear kissing. This was probably something staged so that people will not think that the embarrassing situation uncle Gary made the royals go through will affect the relationship between PW and KM.
KM and PW never kiss in front of people(bodyguards and friends and that is the apparent reason why they media has never caught them in a very private romantic situation). Apparently in these pictures they were alone (so that is the reason why they were kissing each other) but, KM and PW are never alone, they are usually around friends and bodyguards when they are getting off nightclubs, restaurants, etc. It would be against the royal rules for them walking alone because of security issues, so does it make sense that they were walking alone? Plus lets not forget that we cant see their faces (so it could be a couple pretending to be them).
this is really a big coincidence for me. I wouldnt trust these pictures
July 21st, 2009 17:25
Rosettaresearch. Clover is quite right. The thing is this business with Kate’s uncle is NOW. For people and press to use past relatives is a non argument in today’s terms.
Let me state here and now, I do not blame Kate. Kate is not the one dealing etc… But it is her relative which can potentially damage the image of the RF.
Yes Clover, it was a huge mistake that William ever went to that house in Ibiza.
But I still do not understand the security lapse in all of this, and I do not understand why the press are not making a bigger deal about it.
Look, ever had the feeling that something is going down, but you don’t know exactly what it is. Well that’s how I feel about this story. It is all…….something fishy about it.
Ked, where are you? For God’s sake give us your views.
Rman, for your sake I am sorry all this happened.
July 21st, 2009 17:30
Sure, Uncle Gary isn’t a person you can proudly present to the Queen. But this story comes from a tabloid that has been questioned for its activities, and the accuracy of the investigation needs to be investigated.
July 21st, 2009 17:30
Me,
Please don’t play that game. We all rely on the media for information about this family, unless you can call and speak with Prince William and Kate Middleton, you are in the same boat we are.
Isn’t part of the fun of being on these blogs in figuring out what is true and what is not.
July 21st, 2009 17:50
Indeed Abfat. This is the same publication which had to apologize to the Mccans after their horrific reporting and made up lies about how they handled things after their daughter was kidnapped. This is also as mentioned the same publication which has previously wire tapped the royal family. I’m not making excuses for Uncle Gary but just showing they are very unethical.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article30251.ece
July 21st, 2009 17:55
Clover I agree, but like I said Miguel Head and the press secretary need to sit down with the Middletons pronto and go through anything else which could be drudged up and come back to haunt them pronto. Customers of UG may come crawling out of the wood work. People with axes to grind etc etc. If he really is into pimping and prostituting it’s an ugly business and nasty people looking for a quick buck are involved.
July 21st, 2009 17:58
Well the media is doing a good job at letting it be known that this whole thing is not a big deal so I’m sure everything will be okay.
Hale as I said before, buy that hat.
July 21st, 2009 18:01
People forget that GG is a dealer who offers the names of pimps who employ prostestutes. This is criminal activity which means he deals w/criminals. It just not that easy to walk out of his business and go to rehab. When there are drugs and money involved the stakes are very high, they just don’t let people leave to go to rehab too much $ invested. No wonder one article says GG beside himself. I bet he is as I would be too. It’s not just the Midds reputation and Scotland Yard he has to worry about.
July 21st, 2009 18:03
JJ it is sad that they setup Gary Goldsmith like that. This must be a big wake up call for him but he can still watch the wedding on TV.
July 21st, 2009 18:05
But the things with Henry VIII were NOW then too. And people were not happy with Henry. They were not happy with the families of the wives either for their politcal machinations. Heck, Richard III seized the crown because the nobility hated the dowager Queen’s family. The restoration King (little fuzzy on later kings) was not popular as were some of his hangerons. All those were NOW once upon a time. They were all believed to “tarnish” the monarchy through the association.
What about the Queen who had a bunch of kids, not all of whom were believed to the King’s? Everyone thought THAT diminished the monarchy.
The House of Windsor is called that because it did not want too Germanic of a last name after what a cousin did in Germany. Started World War I. That was a NOW.
My point is what is seen as horrible NOW, may not seem so horrible at some future NOW when it becomes a THEN. So saying Kate should be cast aside for something that her Uncle did is just ridiculous. If hindsight softens things such as those listed above, it will surely soften towards a lovely young lady who, oh my goodness, visited a relative once upon a time.
July 21st, 2009 18:10
Oh and just for the sake of argument, Prince William does step aside to avoid making anyone uncomfortable about Kate’s Uncle. Let’s go through the succession shall we:
Prince Harry — that Nazi uniform thing. Plus the drinking and partying. Oh can’t have that.
Prince Andrew — once dated a soft porn star. he’s out.
Princess Beatrice — oh those pictures of her in a bikini ona beach. Plus all the ones stumbling drunk out of clubs. Nope. next.
Princess Eugenie — naked dancing ont he lawn at school. Ooops.
Prince Edward — accused of profiting off his name for his production game. Naughty, naughty.
Lord Severn — well, he’s a baby still, so no opinion on that one.
See how far you hae to go to find someone acceptable. And that is the Royals themselves. Not a relative of a significant other.
July 21st, 2009 18:36
Rosetta,
Your list could be entitled “The bad, The ugly and The unknown.”
July 21st, 2009 18:40
Roseretta
Not that I want to pick on certain Royals but Harry also was involved in some sort of drug scandal? & Eugeine & the boobs pictures on her gap year weren’t too pretty either.
July 21st, 2009 18:49
rosettaresearch, I think what bothers me the most is that this couple goes through so much for love. That is something that is totally ignored in the media and even on the royal blogs. We talk about class, relatives and etc but love is never the main focus. I read on the other opinions on the other royal forums and some of them are saying that William should let Kate go because she comes with too much baggage or she just wants to be Queen and she is just bad for William and the royal family but they never talk about love.
I’m not in William & Kate’s small circle of friends or a family member so I can know what’s really going on but from what I see, they are really in love and will go through hell or high water to be together. I can’t speak for you guys but I personally think that is amazing. Over here in America, the young celebrity couples deals with all kinds of pressure and they breakup so many times that it’s not even funny but William & Kate is a very special couple that someday could be a real King and Queen and they stay together despite the worlds attention on them. Somehow people pay little to no attention to that.
The stability in their relationship reminds me a lot of the Queen & Prince Philip. The Queen and her husband through so much together but no matter what happened, they stuck together and that’s why we celebrated their diamond anniversay. I don’t believe that William nor Kate will allow Gary Goldsmith taint the love they have built over the years.
July 21st, 2009 19:04
Another article about Uncle G. in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201288/Kate-Middletons-uncle-ex-wife-hellraising-tore-apart.html
This may have been posted on another BRW thread.
July 21st, 2009 19:10
This too shall pass…We need only to look to the recent history of Crown Prince Haakon of Norway and his bride, Crown Princess Mette-Marit. The Norwegian people were generally unhappy that Haakon had chosen Marie, a single mother and suspected drug-user, to be his wife. However, over time Mette-Marie has proven to be a respectable wife and dedicated mother, and the Norwegian people have warmed to her. She was given the opportunity to prove herself and most feel she has redeemed herself through her good actions over time.
By comparison, the ‘discovery’ of UG and the sordid video should be considered much less serious.
A few thoughts on Uncle Gary…does anyone else think he looks like Uncle Festor from the Adams Family TV show? Poor man…But seriously, addressing who knew what when regarding UG:
Tthrough honest hard work and business acumen he earned a substantial fortune. No drug-clouded fool could do that. Comments (under the various online articles) from former business associates and employees paint Gary as a kind-hearted, smart, generous man. Everyone who posted a comment from that period of his life pointed out that he had not been a drug taker.
Then…He sold his business and stupidly did what many newly rich, single, and probably lonely middle-aged men do…he moved to a lavish home in a tropical paradise, fell in with a wild crowd, and began taking drugs. The Ibiza drug dealers were probably so happy to see lonely, rich Gary arrive with his money pots. (If you think this scenario is unlikely, think of all the lucky/unlucky lottery winners who get a huge sum, live lavishly, and go on to make a mess of their lives.)
Gary sold his company in November 2005, took his profit, and moved to Ibiza in early 2006. At the time Kate and Prince William visited him in the summer of 2006, he had not been in residence more than a few months. Thus, it is possible that he had not yet made his drug connections, or descended into that appalling lifestyle–and certainly his family would have not yet been aware. The house was probably still nameless, or, Kate most certainly did not yet know that he had named it Maison Bang Bang. Can you imagine her horrified comment to her mother, ” Can you believe Uncle Gary has named the house?!! And the name’s appalling!!”
What we did not see in the video of UG may be as important as what was shown. We saw no guns, no body guards, no customers coming and going, no hookers. He offered to set up drug connections, but did not ask for any money. He offered to set up a connection with prostitutes, but he did not offer to bring them to his own home.
Gary is a drug user, and he offered to share those drugs with guests. He is a show off and a boor. He is indiscreet…And, he will pay for his indiscretion by losing contact with his only sister and her family. Hopefull, he will not cost his niece the love of her life….
Perhaps this is the wake up call UG needs to put his life back on a healthier path.
The only thing about UG I found interesting was his claim that an engagement is impending…I also suspect that Alsgal was right on target when she stated that this may be the problem that needed to be aired before an engagement could be announced.
I also wonder if Uncle Gary could have been a contributing cause of one or more of the earlier breaks?
July 21st, 2009 19:19
This whole thing will blow over and I hope he gets some help. William must be comforting Kate at this time.
July 21st, 2009 19:22
I just found this….http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1201300/How-MORE-skeletons-Kate-Middletons-closet.html
The storm may blow for a few more days…and then pass?
July 21st, 2009 19:23
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1201300/How-MORE-skeletons-Kate-Middletons-closet.html
I’ll try again.
July 21st, 2009 19:23
If he doesn’t mayy Kate, I hope Prince William marries a single mother from a council estate with a brother or two involved in the drug trade, who has made good to support her family through dint of hard work. That would really be 21st Century.
July 21st, 2009 19:27
Stephanie lol he does look like Uncle Festor a bit.
I guess what happened is what President Obama did before he became President. He made sure he got the word out that he use to smoke pot in his younger days. Infact he wrote a book about his past. This may have come out before the announcement is made, which I think will come early next year.
July 21st, 2009 19:30
It just never ends. Trash, trash, trash.
July 21st, 2009 19:35
Great insights, Stephanie.
I will repeat again the case of another European Royal Family, the Dutch One. Maxima’s FATHER was known to have close ties to death squads (tried, convicted and only pardoned as a political deal) who killed, tortured and otherwise “dissapeared” thousands of Argentinians.Yet she married her prince, and has managed to get the support of the Dutch population (many who seemed at first to be appalled at their prince’s choice).
The theme in the press is: you can’t choose your family, Kate is innocent. The theme resonates strongly with many British people, based on the comments to the articles (at least the ones they are printing on the net).
Now they seem to be building up Kate father and his families upstanding reputation. Check out the most recent online DM.
Whether Kate marries PW or not is yet to be seen, but then again it was not a sure thing ever, despite our deepest wishes. What I do think is that KM and her family will come out of this much stronger and in fact much more cherished. The RF? Given their own glass roof, it will depend on how they handle the aftermath.
July 21st, 2009 19:44
I’m glad to know that Charles is also in Kate’s corner. I hope and pray that she will be okay because this whole thing is a heavy burden on her shoulders. She has her family, William and her friends to help her through this. They will not abandon her.
July 21st, 2009 19:57
This must be bringing William & Kate closer together more than ever.
July 21st, 2009 20:18
Sojourner and all,
I agree with Sojourner’s last point. The Middleton family is facing what many families go through when they find out a family member, close friend falls into the trap that drugs cause. Drugs are clever. They start off with you thinking that you can control them. Before you know it they control you and your actions. The same applies to Kate’s uncle. With the Kate’s uncle being under the control of drugs, he could do almost anything. It is what the Middletons do with this situation which will show what kind of people they are. Then Hale says about Kate doing something will cause for the papers to say that Kate is showing off.So again she faces a dilemma. She just can’t win. Maybe she needs to just be herself. She has won over many people who don’t even know her. You can see it in our conversations here.
I am hoping that they overcome this problem and ge on with the rest of their lives.
July 21st, 2009 20:55
Yes, Kat, the destructiveness of a addiction among loved ones sadly common.
I hope I don’t misrepresent Hale, but I think she is raising a valid question: What is it that we expect the RF to be in this day and age? Why are they our RF? Simply tradition? Then by golly, nothing they can say or do will really matter. However, if we actually expect them to represent something, then our standards will be different.
Me, being a history buff and the unsavory one in my family for even showing interest in the monarchy (the horror! the shame!), am more than happy to go with the first answer. Tradition, Tradition!
But not all would agree.
July 21st, 2009 21:23
‘Gary has promised he has learnt his lesson and is going to get himself sorted but he is worried that the damage, as far as his family is concerned, is already done.’
July 21st, 2009 21:25
If bride-to-be have to go through what Kate has and is going through, I’d stay as plain Miss Middleton.
JL
July 21st, 2009 21:30
well i though that this is is the obstacle to encounter has a couple…
July 21st, 2009 21:52
“If bride-to-be have to go through what Kate has and is going through, I’d stay as plain Miss Middleton.”
I agree. But I think that is the intended consequence, so I would say to Kate, hang in there.
July 21st, 2009 22:04
I totally agree with rosettaresearch and Stephanie. Asking PW to step down because he’s in love with a girl whose uncle has been humiliatingly exposed in his hedonistic tendencies is absurd. PW to all intents and purposes is a very thoughtful and caring person and would make a wonderful future king. KM from all accounts is of the same ilk and together they would be a great asset to the RF.
Stephanie’s timeline description of UG’s life the last 3 years is totally plausible and is what I have also thought. He was a rich, lonely man in mid-life crisis caught in the party-ravaged Ibiza lifestyle. And he was most probably still clean living in 2006 when PW and KM visited him as he has just moved himself down there. I also agree with Stephanie that he didn’t seem like a drug dealer because of what we didn’t see in the video (no guns, no bodyguards, etc.), he was probably just trying to spread his loot himself as a means of gaining friends.
If we’re going to sound sanctimonious about this all then let’s remember Jesus’s example of not judging and accepting Magdeline, the supposed prostitute, the tax collector and various other “sinful” characters. To paraphrase, “let he who has no sin be the first to cast the stone”.
I sure hope that this is the wake-up call for UG to seek treatment and clean up his life. Even from the video he seemed to be a nice, gentle but weak character. He needs to start a new business to have his brain smarts working on something again and he needs to find a good woman to love him unconditionally.
July 21st, 2009 22:26
Guys believe me when I tell you that Kate will hang on in there. William will not put her to aside because Uncle Gary messed up. The couple will move on.
July 21st, 2009 22:36
yeah i think they will move on but i think that they will not be affected on that they should not give him an invitation for royal wedding
July 21st, 2009 23:35
Hale,thanks for your thoughts. I am coming along well.
This uncle Gary story has been given far more coverage then it deserves,IMO. He is an uncle, he is not in England and there is no evidence that William and or Kate engaged in any wrong doing while on his property. But as usual,the press will beat this thing to death.
July 22nd, 2009 00:02
Guys, I’m very proud of the way william handle the situation. It’s clearly impossible for him to make a statement (an oral one) and give an interview or speak to a journalist or let know via a friend that he supports kate. He just found the best way to do it ; be with kate and kiss her (very easy to critisize hale, but if you have a better way to do it, just explain!!!) just show everyone that he fully supports her without saying any word (I call that class).
Dear Hale, dont you know what compassion is? It’s part of the job for the royals and for each one of us : you help, you show support and you just try to love! what is your answer if one of your relatives got in trouble? you turn your back to him/her? probably! not a very generous behaviour! I found the way charles, william behave a lot more responsible and that is the reason why the press is so kind to kate and her direct family.
July 22nd, 2009 00:05
I, too, am tired of the Uncle Gary and Middleton skeleton stories. It’s nice to hear that Prince Charles is supportive of Kate, that Julia finds the Middletons lovely and that Uncle Gary used to have a good side. It’s nice to hear about the Middletons’ close relationship. BUT I do hope the stories now stop. Especially those targeting Pippa and James. And as much as I despise Uncle Gary’s actions, even he has a right to rehabilitate privately. Poor guy. He’s lost his girlfriend and now is forced to distance himself from family.
July 22nd, 2009 00:20
The most disapointing thing in this story is to hear people like Hale declaring “i dont want kate anymore for Queen because of his uncle”!!! what an hypocrite you are hale, the queen marries a man whose sisters were linked to nazis but it’s doesnt disturb you because it was so long ago!!! what you want for queen is not a person but just an image from a magazine with no flesh and blood or you prefer just to ignore what’s wrong not to be divulge about the woman who will be queen (I think this story reveals so much what people like you are, and that’s exaclty what the articles in the Independant and the comments in the Times refers to). UK needs a woman who knows what is going on in the world, and knows how to deal with it, dont you think her majesty could speak or try to understand people if going in a rehabilition centre and be credible. Kate could and will be credible because she is going through a hard time from now to help with her family her uncle and to help him. She is in the real world not just a proper image to reassure you. The problems she will be able to deal with when she will be queen will be concrete not just words for her. Rethink your post and learn to be more generous!!!
July 22nd, 2009 02:45
This is just my opinion =)
First of, I dont find wrong when people change their minds about another one, I dont think that is hypocrite because if someone is honest and give their opinions with explaination, for me is totally fair =) So if someone doesnt want THEIR queen to be that, then so be it, what is wrong with it?
The uncle story sure change some opinions about Kate, but also a lot of her supports come out one more time and defend her even with blind eyes, which I think is not fair with the people that have diferent points of view.
For me, uncle Gary is a criminal and he needs to go to jail for that. And if he have a drug problem, going to rehab also. But excuse me, but he is no victim of the situation.
And about Kate and the whole uncle thing, she have nothing to do with it yes I agree with that, so stop seeing her as a victim also. If is true that is only a member of her family, if is true it doesnt afect her, then why all the support? Oh yeah, because having a drug dealer in the family IT DOES AFECT HER!
July 22nd, 2009 03:22
margarita,
Dont understand your post.
“So if someone doesnt want THEIR queen to be that, then so be it, what is wrong with it?”
To be what? a drug addict, a dealer? what do you mean? a bad person because of uncle Gary? I’m pretty sure you have skeletons in your closet, as I do, so you are a bad person because of the black sheep in your family that’s right? no double standard please.
you said: “The uncle story sure change some opinions about Kate, but also a lot of her supports come out one more time and defend her even with blind eyes, which I think is not fair with the people that have diferent points of view”.
If it’s not her fault, why is it not fair to come and defend her? really dont understand your logic.
Have a good day.
July 22nd, 2009 04:09
Love your post NYme i agree with every word .
July 22nd, 2009 04:30
I detect that some comments are getting a bit personal.
Please stick to attacking the issue itself – not each other!
Thanks, Steven (BRW)
July 22nd, 2009 07:12
Another story for Hale to make her think about other european monarchy (in this exemple: Belgium).
Delphine Boël was born in 1968 of a many years’ connection between Prince Albert, then crown prince, and the baroness Sybille de Selys Longchamps, wife of the Belgian industrialist Jacques Boël. Delphine Boël, who ignored the one that she called “Butterfly” was her father.
In the pressing demand of king Baudouin, elder brother of Albert, this connection will remain secret. No way to envisage a divorce between Albert and Paola, or then the prince should have given up his right to the throne.
Finally the secret is revealed in 1999. The Palace then suggested that it would be desirable that Delphine disappear and leave in England.
Furious at the attitude of the Palace and at the omnipresence of the paparazzis in 1999, Delphine phoned to King Albert who shout: “you do not have to call me any more. I do not want to hear any more about this story”. He is king so he is a nice man. I mean I suppose Hale (girl/boy) means it! I have another story about the Father of Queen Beatrix of Netherlands (in another post)
July 22nd, 2009 07:32
Sweden: Silvia Renate Sommerlath is born on December 23rd, 1943 in Heidelberg ( Bade-Wurtemberg), of a Brazilian mother and a German father. Her father, Walther Sommerlath, is an industrialist, member of the local Nazi party from 1934 and takes the direction of an arms factory between 1939 and 1943 (the war period).
Belgium again: Prince Laurent, the youngest royal, will appear in court soon and explain why he received money from the Marine. Prince Laurent received 175 000 euro of Marine in the form of forged invoices to find accommodation (fraud)….
Netherland: Beside his 4 daughters, Queen Beatrix, Irene, Margriet and Marijke, Prince Bernhard, husband of Queen Juliana, also had three children conceived out of wedlock, two boys and a girl. In 1996, the historian Kikkert wrote on this subject in his book” crisis to Soestdijk, Netherlands a bananière monarchy “.
King Juan Carlos was accused of tax fraud many years ago but no investigation was allowed.
July 22nd, 2009 07:43
Hale: “We in this country expect our monarchy to be beyond reproach. They are required to conduct themselves as if they were role models. Never ending duties and sacrifices on our behalf. Of course they are human just like the rest of us, and they make mistakes. But in light of what they do we are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.”
So the so called “beyond reproach”? the “role models” where are they? in Belgium (the current King and his son), in Netherlands (the late consort and Princess Maxima’s father and her sister in law Princess …. who leaved with a gangster- dont know her name) in Sweden (Sylvia’s father), in Norway (Mette-Marit and her father with drug, alcolhol and prostitution too) ?
July 22nd, 2009 08:06
I agree with NYme posts, I think she (NYme) was not getting personal, had to use a sample of our fellow poster Hale to make her point.
Thats all.
Cheers people, the UG issue will die. Some friend editor has said…leave it there.
July 22nd, 2009 08:31
Rosalie, I don’t claim to know about other European royal families, and frankly I don’t care. I am only concerned about the royal family in my country.
Even if the story of GG reaches lull point, it will always resurface.
Posters have likened members of the RF to celebritys. They are not celebrities who momentarily feed our curiosity. The monarchy is a British institution and the members of the RF are representative of that institution. This institution is paid for by the tax payers of this country, and we expect better from those members who we financially support.
I have endeavoured to explain to some of you my feelings about the monarchy.
Just out of curiosity, what does our monarchy mean to you? If they were your monarchy, how would you expect them to deport themselves?
What do you expect from your head of state?
July 22nd, 2009 08:57
I hope after Uncle Gary incident is gone the media will respect Kate Middleton and her family’s privacy. They are unfairly targeted yet have no voice to defend themselves. They aren’t royals but private citizens just like us.
July 22nd, 2009 09:22
It’s nice to know that Charles has shown his support of Kate by letter urging her to take it out of her mind. Per RK in the DM.
July 22nd, 2009 09:23
Hale I understand what you mean. The monarchy is a great institution and no they are not celebrities but the modern day media has turned the royals into celebrities because the grand status that the royals once had about 100 or so years ago is long gone. But I think it’s very important for everyone to remember that the royals are human beings not imortals and they will make a few mistakes but it don’t sum up who they are as people.
This situation that Gary Goldsmith is in will not bring down the royal family when Kate becomes an official member of the family. Don’t let this taint your idea of Kate being William’s consort because everyone knows that Kate is a major support for William and the royals really like her and after 7 years, they know her much more personally than members of the media and public. Charles advised her to get this stuff out of her mind and carry on with things. They are not abandoning Kate because what her uncle did so it’s not right for anyone of us to abandon her. Many years down the line when we look in our history books, we will read about all the things this couple went through for love and we will applaud them for it. William & Kate is a great example of what true love is all about. Sticking with each other through the good times and bad times. That’s why I know they will be great supportive members of the royal institution.
July 22nd, 2009 09:39
I know Gracie, it’s good that she has Charles’s support. He knows that she is a dear and very important person in his son’s life and he’s there for her.
It’s just not easy for a woman to marry the second in line to the throne today. People have to many high expectations for a future Queen. People expect the woman to walk on water, have no skeletons in her closet and get nothing but good press at all times. Those expectations are too high and not of reality. Kate don’t deserve the nasty treatment but in the end it will make her more stronger for her future as a royal.
I believe all the things Diana went through while married to Charles, made her a stronger woman and we saw towards the end of her life that she was ready to take on the world.
July 22nd, 2009 09:49
Hale,
I have thought a lot about the issues your raise, and completely understand your sentiment — why should one have to pay for these people to act in ways that are offensive or reprehensible?
The way I think about it is this: the monarchy really is not compatible with democracy. Nations come up with a compromise for the sake of tradition, or even to some, entertainment (hence the celebrity comparisons). But it is a horribly imperfect compromise. Sovereign means being the law, and there for, at the same time, above the law (currently philosophy and political theory are fraught with debates about this). To make the monarch submit to the laws of taxpayer citizens might make sense, but aren’t we as citizens also their subjects? Where do we get off, as subject telling our monarchs what to do?
If we are not careful, they simply become paid actors (reality stars, in fact!).That would devalue the tradition of it, and again, the cycle begins.
When I vote for political leaders, I vote for those whose policies I agree with, and whose inclination and commiment for integrity and honesty I can detect. Does that mean that I expect them to follow their commitments 100%? No, I might as well not vote. But then again if they stray to far I can have them removed in a predetermined number of years. Or so it should work…
July 22nd, 2009 09:59
hale,
It was not personal. Sorry I just cant read you entire post. My computer has a problem, I just sees the first sentence and dont know why. I just wanted to prove that contrary to what you think people inside the royal family (in uk or in others contries in europe) are exactly the same and have too ungle gary(ies). We just ignore because of hypocrisy the dirty things are kept under the carpet…. until somebody with bad intentions revealed the truth and the vilainy to the world. In the case of Kate and her uncle it just happens we know the truth publicly now. What do you thing of Diana who threw herself in the stairs when expecting william? when do we think of Diana when she spoke to the press of her broken marriage and in really bad terms of Charles and she recorded tapes – denying and lying after that she did – and threw her two children in this mediatic storm, wasnt it sordid and very commun, not very dignified for a princess of wales? I dont think Kate is able to do that.Sorry but Diana was very “discutable” (sorry for my english but maybe you understook, Im french. What do you think of my poor english? Is it correct? Have a good day Hale and I hope you’ll reconsiddere you position. I’m nearly sure you’ll will. Kate is very dignified and strong and in love, and that’s for sure good for a future princess. Give her a chance. See you. A bientôt. Rosalie.
July 22nd, 2009 10:00
Hale,
I saw your entire post just at the moment.
So I answer. The wife of my head of state is … carla Bruni.
July 22nd, 2009 10:34
http://www.google.com/translate?u=svenskdam.se/2009/07/barfotaprinsessor-pa-stranden/&sl=sv&tl=en
Womenfolk rules this happy family!
July 22nd, 2009 11:21
NYme, no you are wrong and have not read my posts fully. I do not believe I am a hypocrite.
Prince Phillips sisters married German nobleman who were also members of the SS. Just because that happened a long time ago, doesn’t make it okay.
What happened was, I you care to read my posts is: Prince Phillip served with the Royal Navy during WWII. He fought for Britain. And during his service with the RN, PP was mentioned in dispatches twice. PP is a guine war hero.
Hence PP’s own war service counter balanced any criticism of his sisters being married to those Germans.
July 22nd, 2009 11:25
I suppose everybody thinks William will have to get married. So then my question to Hale and others who think Kate is a bad choice would be: who/what kind of woman is a good choice? And be realistic, that woman has to excist in real life. I understand that you think she has to be without any “black sheep” in her family. That leaves out every royal family and every aristocratic one too. And let’s face it : probably the families of every woman you know. So how on earth should he go about to find somebody good enough? Don’t you think the royal family could end up looking a lot worse if William had to marry somebody he doesn’t love than if he was allowed to marry his loved one with the bad uncle? I think the royal family themselves are not in doubt over this, they have enough experience with unhappy marriages and know exactly how bad those eventually madethem look.
July 22nd, 2009 11:47
This is why William don’t like people to butt in on his private life. No one has the right to tell him who he can or can’t date. We have to learn to trust that he knows what he is doing. He hasn’t been dating Kate all these years for nothing. I think it’s time for everyone to back off the couple and give them some space. Just because the taxpayers pay for the royals don’t mean their private life should be an open book.
I don’t even believe the royals are all torn up over this like the press is making it out to be. The people who are making a big deal about is the internet bloggers.
July 22nd, 2009 11:55
Have any of you posters given any thought to who this mans associates’ maybe?
I quote the NOTW.
”When our reporter mentioned living in London, Goldsmith brazenly offered to put him on to cocaine suppliers there too. “You need me as a friend,” he bragged. “I have a company that delivers to your door. . . and I can get cocaine to your door here too.”
Are they anything to do with organised crime? Has GG bragged about who he is related to before? Has his associates ever tried to take advantage of this?
Given his ‘Hedonistic lifestyle’, has this man ever been in a situation other than the NOTW, comprimised and captured on film?
I again quote the NOTW
Later Goldsmith’s contact DID arrive at our hotel and said he would try to arrange a hooker for our man, adding: “She’s Brazilian. I’ll see if she’s still available, young and fresh.”
How young? How fresh? Has she been trafficked? Does GG himself indulge with ladies of the oldest profession? Do we have further stories to look forward to such as: ”My night with GG” or ”The night GG asked me to….” or, ”My threesome with GG”
I should like to think my country is a liberal one, but even we draw the line at certain things.
We are currently up in arms because our MP’s have been charging us for the cleaning of their moats and their Hob Nob Buscuits.
Now we are expected to welcome a person into the RF with a relative who consipires to supply drugs and can arrange ‘young and fresh hookers.’
Rosettaresearch.
Prince Andrew once date a porn star. Yep, but the men in grey got rid of her. When it looked as if it was getting serious, whilst Andrew was at sea they approached Koo Stark and told her that she should attempt to ‘redeem’ herself by doing good works. So, that’s exactly what Koo Stark did, but of course Andrew soon found Fergie. That to as you know was an embarassment. She was photographed having her toes sucked. Not only that, her father Major Ferguson was caught visiting massage parlours. He became persona non grata after that.
Prince Harry in a Nazi Uniform, partying. Yep. And I would also add PH admitting to smoking cannabis. Also an embarassment.
Prince Beatrice in a bikini. Well, she does have a weight problem yes. She has been seen stumbling out of a nightclub. Yep, that to is embarassing.
Princess Eugenie daning naked on a lawn. Do you have any pics? Only in England we read the story but as far aw we are aware it wasn’t captured on camera. Yep embarassing.
With the exception of PH smoking Cannabis, none of it is against the law. No crime has been committed.
GG is offering to supply drugs. Do you know the extent to what the drugs trade actually finances?
Prince Edward accused of profiting of his name with his production company…..No, actually that one wasn’t embarassing because IMO anything the royals or their associates do they shall always be accused of that one.
If you are familiar with my posts? One of the thinks I raged against was the unfairness in which Kate was accused of profiting from her royal connections. I didn’t agree with it then and I don’t agree with it now. Nothing has changed for me on that matter.
As for Lord Severn, yes no opinion on that one.
July 22nd, 2009 11:59
http://momsword.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2437:kate-middleton-and-prince-william-positive-news&catid=1:latest-reviews&Itemid=50
Kate Middleton and Prince William —positive news
Its from a blog about a women who says she meet Kate .
July 22nd, 2009 12:16
Hale, the powers will take charge of UG and it will be a closed filed case.
July 22nd, 2009 12:17
Well Hale, Gary Goldsmith has said that he is sorry for what has happened and he will try to get his life together. I think we should leave it at that. It do no good to drag this out or milk it too much. I think our thoughts should go out Carole because this is her brother and I know she must be worried about him and think he needs to get some help. But it’s really a private family matter and I really don’t think it needs to be totally blown out of proportion.
I know you think Kate is often treated unfairly by the press and internet world and you are right. I think the woman deserves some respect now more than ever.
July 22nd, 2009 12:29
Charlotte, thanks for posting that link. It was an interesting read.
July 22nd, 2009 13:19
If a member of the RF does something bad it’s excusable because of who they are, but Kate is not a member of the RF so what her Uncle does can’t be compared to similar situations that the royals have been caught doing wrong, they have a different standard and are not judge harshly as they are family. Kate does not have this luxury yet and I am starting to doubt she will. Ya’ll can candy coat it all you want but GG delievers drugs (a nice way of saying selling) whom he buys from criminals. You know the ones who William went out to sea in order to stop a drug bust, while serving in Navy? Yeah those kind of guys, the ones who take people hostage if they don’t get paid. I believe those were Somali? They ain’t Mr. Rogders my friends!
July 22nd, 2009 13:21
Great points Hale!
July 22nd, 2009 13:57
gracie:
“They ain’t Mr. Rogders my friends!”
July 22nd, 2009 14:09
Gracie the royals are judged harshly but the press moves on to other stories and the public moves on to other stories. They will move on from this story too.
True Kate is not in the family yet but Charles has reached out to her as if she is family and we know William is not going to abandon her. Everything is going to be okay, you will see. Kate is her own person and William knows who she is and he knows that she had nothing to do with her uncles actions. I don’t think is a major issue for the royals like everyone is making it out to be. I will continue to stand by Kate’s side because I have recognized that people are riding that girls back like she is a horse or something.
There is a quote that Joanne have on the Royalist site. It’s a quote by one of Kate’s former schoolfriends, Jessica Hay.
“Kate has class, stamina and the mental strength to survive the limelight”
I believe what Jessica said is true. Kate will bounce back from this and nothing in her relationship with William will change, infact I think this has brought them closer. Don’t count this girl out because in the past people have tried their best to knock her down but she never falls. That’s what so amazing about her.
July 22nd, 2009 15:15
I am just going to say this again… KM is not the one selling drugs or doing drugs. I am sure everyone out there has an uncle they wish would go away. No one is perfect. I am glad the media is being sympathetic towards KM about this. I feel so bad for her. But you know, they all knew about this story the day they were all photographed at he polo match and everyone held their own- KM looked great and acted like nothing was wrong- and good for her. In fact she looked the best she has ever looked while being photographed in a while. And it is so nice to hear that PC is being supportive. KM is going nowhere and does not need to! She will make a lovely Queen.
July 22nd, 2009 15:27
I agree kd. Kate and William are clearly in happy place in their lives and you could really see that at the polo match. Also at the pub that night.
July 22nd, 2009 15:57
Yep, Kate and William are happy. I would much rather he be happy with someone who has a few skeletons in the closet than unhappily married. I think another divorce would hurt the image of the Royal Family much worse than a messed up uncle.
I also don’t take everything the NOTW prints as the gospel truth. Just because the article says someone claimed that dear Uncle Gary said that, does not mean he actually did.
July 22nd, 2009 16:05
Gracie:
I do get your point drug trafficking– as a consumer I am responsible for the effects/ consequences on others of the products I buy.
The same applies when we purchase goods from sweatshops and when we continue to support entire regimes, such as China and Saudi Arabia, whose human rights abuses are egregious.
This is not a justification, rather a reality check
July 22nd, 2009 16:42
Hale,
Good post! Insightful! Thanks again.
July 22nd, 2009 17:52
Clover, thank you.
Sojourner, I don’t understand your post.
July 22nd, 2009 17:53
Are we likely to hear from the elusive Ked this evening?
Please share your take on all this.
July 22nd, 2009 20:22
Hale,
which one? I’d be happy to try another stab at making my point.
July 22nd, 2009 22:53
I only came back to brag to all you people, who obviously still have delusions that Kate will be William’s bride … no way, no how. LOLOL. She’s history! She’s already embarrassed the BRF far too much with her lack of work ethic and her utterly distasteful family. This was her swan-song – what an absolute joke she has become. Oh, how low have societal values stooped to even think that this woman was/is a contender. I find that people who usually take drugs themselves denounce that they are deadly.
Hale: I’m glad that you’ve finally seen the light – just as I did. I once really liked Kate and rooted for her, but her lack of work ethic I found so appalling that it is repugnant – she is just way too lazy and a pleasure seeker. So glad that Aussies don’t have to fund the royals’ lifestyles. No matter, Kate won’t be getting any closer to Buck Palace than anyone here. LOLOL.
And, good on you for maintaining such high standards and morals for the BRF to adhere to – in the face of adversity. Stick to them – it’s YOUR royal family, and YOU have to pay for their upkeep.
Oh, I won’t be back to read any of your sycophantic replies, so don’t bother.
July 22nd, 2009 23:16
Objective, you’re trolling this site to cause trouble. Nothing you said in your comment has any merit, and since you won’t be back to read anyone’s replies, why even bother making a comment in the first place?
Why not just take it to the RT, where the sick, weird, and deluded Naysayers like to hang out. You should fit in very nicely with that lot.
July 22nd, 2009 23:21
You know you are reading every reply Objective
July 22nd, 2009 23:24
It’s nice to hear from you Objective, it’s people like you that keeps me in Kate’s corner and I just might come over to the RT site to brag about the engagement and wedding.
July 22nd, 2009 23:29
“And, good on you for maintaining such high standards and morals for the BRF to adhere to”
Your joking right? The BRF moral and with high standards? Puhleease!
July 23rd, 2009 00:18
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115754/Wills-to-see-World-Cup
July 23rd, 2009 00:37
Hello everyone,
One thing because I just read one more time the NOTW article. If you pay attention, UG didnt mention the price of the drug, it was and added comment of the journalist who wrote the article, like saying “he proposed us some cocaine, about 200g – at 43pounds the g, what an offer! – bla, bla bla… rest of the article. the sentence was a writing remark of the journalist and every newpapers, even the antimonarchist as the independant and the guardian understood the same way as I, so for sure he is not a dealer but a consumer(???). He gave the journalist the phone number of his dealer (a scottish woman). He is was a dealer that will be a very different story in the press, I can assure you that even the telegraph would had concentrate its efforts to be a lot more judgmental to this guy and condemn him. He is a bad guy for sure, the type you prefer not to be with, vulgar, ec… DRUG, prostitute, etc… not frequentable,but just be fair he is not a dealer and for me it’s a very different story. I really hope his dealer will be catch by the police because this woman can really hurt people, young, etc… The power of the photos and the film is enormous. You know frederick windsor and the son of camilla used to have some drugs but if some photos had been published at the time the news were m
July 23rd, 2009 00:47
The power of the photos and the film is enormous. You know frederick windsor and the son of camilla used to have some drugs but if some photos had been published at the time the news were made public, it would have been as traumatic and hurting that the uncle gary story. If the NOTW had just wrote an article but without photo or film about UG it would not be so difficult to accept. very hurting but just sure it’s far worse for his family. Another point: on the daily mail his second wife explain that when they met his was not a drug addict and it was at the end of 2006 (wedding july/august 2007 – known each other for 9 months, they met in nov-dec 2006, so 4 months after william and kate holidaying in IBIZA) so if in nov-dec if was not addicted if was surely not 4 months before. So why going on and say “how carole accept to have william in ibiza because of security reasons, and the security didnt correctly their job”? Yes they did correctly their job because no drug at this time, no security problem, and the job was surely well done. And they were not located for all the holidays in the UG Mansion, they rent something for them, but the NOTW just arranged the article like they want, dont forgot it’s a trashy tabloid
July 23rd, 2009 01:14
Hopefully William will be married and will be able to take his wife with him to his Commonwealth trips.
July 23rd, 2009 01:22
Well NYme, I’m sure the story was embellished a bit to make papers sell.
July 23rd, 2009 16:57
Freddie Windsor is The duke and Duchess of Kent’s son not Camillia Parker Bowles. He did state that he had a problem with drugs and that moving within the circles that he moved it that it was very difficult not to get involved with drugs. UG needs to go to rehab.
July 23rd, 2009 17:14
NYme, ‘The Sheikh’ who wrote the story may have edited the video, but his well known for taping all his interviews. He does not embellish stories.
Perhaps, one of the problems in understanding the seriousness of this story is that we are all from many countries, and laws vary from country to country.
If you read the article, GG presses something into the hand of one of the reporters. The bag contains Coke. GG is supplying class ‘A’ drugs, that is against the law in England. No matter money didn’t exchange hands.
GG tells the reporter he can put him on to someone who can deliver anywhere in the world for £43 per gramm. This is against the law in England. It is called Conspiracy to supply class ‘A’ drugs. He’s also named the price. He is dealing.
GG informs the reporter about someone who can supply prostitues on the island. GG is procurring. That to is in breach of English law, he is acting as a pimp. Once again, it doesn’t matter no money has exchanged hands. In the case of the drugs and prostitues he is drumming up business.
GG is nothing more than a sleazy, scumbag. He is not solely a victim of drug abuse, he also encourages and informs others. No excuse for the man, and nothing but contempt for him.
Objective, or whatever you wish to call yourself, let me make myself clear. You say I have seen the ‘light’ about Kate. NOOOooooo. I feel extremely sad and sorry for her.
Let me repeat myslef to clarify my stance. I do not have an issue with Kate’s employment. I would go as far as to say neither do the vast majority of my country. Kate is working, she works at Party Pieces, and compared to 6months ago has done a very good job with the website. Full marks to Kate.
Rollerdisco, was a slight embarrassment, yes. But everyone has moved on and brushed it aside. The only people as far as I am aware who keep droning on about the work and disco thing are those who have nothing better to do than to take out their frustrations on somebody they have never met.
It should also be noted, Kate did make other attempts to raise money for the Waley-Cohen charity by arranging a photographic exhibition. She was lambasted for exploiting her royal connections.
Kate has been through a lot. Yet despite this, she has handled herself well, and with good grace. Kate has, as far as I can see, managed to keep a good head on her shoulders and her head above the parapet. I viewed Kate as a good potential Royal wife. I despised the obvious pokes about her background and ‘class.’ Something which I feel the Daily Mail snobbishly harked on about.
I do not have neither an issue of a problem with Kate herself. My opinions about Kate are exactly the same as when I joined this forum.
However, unfortunately for Kate, this revelation about her uncle has now made Kate a liability and I cannot except that she should marry into the RF. It is tragic and unfortunate.
Some posters have speculated that W & K will marry in 2014. Even if GG’s name was never mentioned again between that time, I am willing to bet once W & K did marry then GG will be tagged onto every other story about not only W & K but the rest of the RF. Thereby undermining everything they do, and rendering their positions useless.
GG has the potential to be the hand grenade which finishes the monarchy. GG will be the excuse for every republican and ‘up himself’ journalist to take a swipe at the monarchy.
Mapleleaf suggests that GG should go to rehab and it should publicly be seen so. Problem with that is, druggies themselves have to want to give up, they cannot be forced. They also are prone to lapsing.
Do not be fooled few members of the press writing the ‘everyone has a blacksheep in their family’ story. It is obvious that Clarence House is working overtime.
While the Dail Mail, are using this opportunity to give a little payback.
This story cannot be contained. If W & K marry, it will continue to haunt them and the rest of the RF.
Prince Charles is deluding himself if he thinks he can control the media. Whats more, this is the second time William has played a part in being seen to attempt to manipulate the media.
The press do not like being played, and in my opinion, William is cultivating enemies.
Sojourner…your post at 112 is the one I didn’t understand.
July 23rd, 2009 17:23
Hello Rman,
I am sure you would like to know that Walter C.’s funeral took place at St. Barts. in Manhatten earlier today.
He was to then cremated and his ashes would be intered near his late wife in Missouri.
He was indeed a remarkable man who did a great deal to ensure the protection of Journalist world wide whilst obtaining their news stories.
Apologies again BRW but I know Rman was interested.
July 23rd, 2009 17:34
Hello Hale,
I sympathise with your comments in the light of the present situation with regard to supply of C. in the UK which is increasing at the rate of 25% per annum. Think about these figures and then rethink the position that GG has put people close to him in and then consider the very obvious efforts made by many close to the RF to play down the situation. They have called in many favours over the past few days.
It is serious and there is no doubt about it and the best thing?
” Zip it”
July 23rd, 2009 17:53
Yeah Ked I saw some news clips from Walter’s funeral and I’m glad he is finally reunited with his wife. He will be missed.
July 24th, 2009 06:08
I don’t think it’s Kate’s fault that her uncle is such a sleaze. However, he should not get an invite to their possible wedding. It’s tough when you’re a potential official public figure and your family members are carrying on like this. I feel bad for her.
July 24th, 2009 20:19
Ked, I suggest you also join RIF and then PM me and explain your post, because I do not understand it.
As for Walter Cronkite, Rman was not the only one interested. I am surprised others have not made more of it.
He is the last of a breed when journalism still had integrity.
July 24th, 2009 21:21
well i think that the family of kate should know that she potential public figure and not to mess is name…