For a moment, I thought it was those two people in the photo. I thought, “How can you possibly tell?”, but then I realized it was referring to the projection! Silly me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

There is a clip here about Wills and Kate

Rman,I really hope you are right. I am sooo tired of all the rumors, silly tabloid articles and Kate bashing.

I have no doubt that their holiday and meeting at Balmoral will be a total success.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/116285

That’s the best artical I have seen yet about Kate. It sums up everything perfectly and it gets right down to the point. Adrian Lee really paid attention to Kate’s situation, wrote an artical and made it into a must read for everybody.

That’s good journalism.

I too want a follow-up to this UG case. What happens to him and to his ‘business’? yes, i know I am curious.

Hale: “As for uncle GG. Who are his associates? Does he have any business dealings with Kate’s parents?”

Sorry Hale but you are going too far with such thoughts suggesting dealings with the middleton. I condamn you last post, you have the right to do that, and I hope if you are in the same situation one day because of someone in your family, somebody will come and accuse you of such things. You have change a lot

Hale,
Each question you are asking about Kate’s family and their association with UG is reasonable and necessary if Kate is to marry into the BRF.

The direction each answer takes could have major future fallout and implications for the monarchy as well as the potential to cause considerable damage to the BRF’s credibility or even continuation.

All business dealings between the Middleton family (as Kate depends entirely on her family financially) and UG must be fully investigated.

IF the Middleton family has had no connection with UG beyond a holiday visit to Ibiza, dinner, or occasional phone calls then (AS ALL OF YOU ARE CLAIMING) then all of this is no big deal!

I don’t think even Kate wants there to be any surprises or significant skeletons in her closet.

Lisa/Nyme

Because when people marry into the monarchy or marry a monarch/future king all the issues Hale mentions matter a great deal.

You two are acting like two people from down the road are getting married. If only things were that simple for Prince William. The insitution Prince William will be the head of one day is a very powerful institution and many people want to make sure it is not brought down by scandal and illegality. Lots of people are very protective of the future of the BRF.

Also when Prince William and Kate went to La Maison Bang Bang in 2006 UG’s drug problem was nearing a point that a wedding planned for 2007 in which Prince William was invited by CM was called off by UG’s future bride/someone who was intimate with him. UG’s future bride thought UG’s drug problem was THAT extreme, watch the show Intervention and you will see that extreme drug problems do not happen overnight.

The security issue with the Prince and his visits to La Bang Bang should be explored among many other financial issues.

If all comes up smelling of roses then the issue will go away for good and will be like all of you are claiming it is NO BIG DEAL!

Lisa,
What happened at RT? I don’t go there.

Everyone,
Let’s think about this. If you are doing drugs and the heir to the British throne comes to your house with your niece, are you going to let it be known that you do drugs. I think not. You have your habit, but people who do drugs are good at hiding it for a time. Look at all the people who have been arrested for drugs and the commentfrom toher people is said that they would not have guessed. I am sure that this is especially true if there is a lot of alchol involved. If the uncle were acting strange it could have been chalked up to alchol. I am just guessing. The Middletons might not have had a clue that anything was going on except for someone who is high off alchol. I said before that was the last comment but this is my last comment. I feel that noone knows what is going on between William, Kate, and the RF. There is a lot of guessing. Only William and Kate know how they truly feel about each other. Only they know what the future holds. I would imagine that they know if they are goiing to be married by now. The interesting thing about posting is that one gets a variety of view points as to what is going on with them. We will all find out sooner or later about them. For now, it is a matter of sitting back and watching as it all plays out. I hopw that they both find happiness. From an outside observer, I thinkthat they have found love in each other.

I think William should marry Rachel Christie.

Hale,
You are welcome!

Thanks for stating all of the most important dimensions of this latest issue (UG, the Middletons, and the Monarchy) so clearly and intelligently.

Seeing all the levels of the UG situation through in terms of an investigation is really meant to protect the monarchy, the BRF, and its future. Many can not see how important this is right now, but they will see in the years to come.

It will also be very, very good for Kate to have all of this cleared up and resolved before any engagement is announced. If there is nothing there, then they will find nothing at all.

Hale it is clear to me that you are looking out for the well-being of your country, the monarchy and ultimately Kate and William’s relationship by exploring all the issues related to UG.

One final word before I bow out of this conversation..

This entire GG episode is mostly a taboid/internet driven gossip event.

I hardly think,given all the scandals that have touched the RF,that GG, Kate Middleton or any other of her relatives will bring down the Monarchy. It is simply not logical. If William marries Kate, it will be because he has the approval of his family,including HM. I would trust in HM to know whether Kate and her family are a risk to the monarchy and it’s future. If she gives her approval and allows a wedding to happen,that’s good enough for me.

To note, I do not support KM blindly. I do not personally know the woman so therefore I can only judge her based on what I see from the outside and that is that she is the longtime partner of Prince William and they appear happy in their relationship and that is fine with me.

When Kate made bad decisions,such as the roller disco,I stated my feelings truthfully.

I do think people go waaay overboard in their comments and opinions regarding people they don’t know and situations where they do not have all the facts.

It is time like these where I am compelled to drift back into lurkdom because all of this has begun to give me a headache and is starting to not be fun anymore.

I think William should marry Lance Armstrong.

keysmom,

I am hurt by your comments directed at Rman. All of us here are guilty of typos, spelling errors, and such. The little box we write our comments in is very small, less than 8 point font, without spell check, etc.

Also, the fact that English is not a person’s first language should not prevent you or anyone else from appreciating the content of their message.

I know many Ph.D. level scholars who struggle with English yet manage to convey their ideas effectively.

I suggest you pay more attention to the conent of what people say and less attention to the packaging.

Rman conveys intelligence, sensitivity, and deep understanding through his writing and nothing I mention above should take away from his valued contribution to BRW.

The point is to the story is that the Middleton’s had nothing to do with Gary Goldsmith’s actions.

Hale I think you are going off the deep end for nothing. Kate had nothing to do with her uncle’s actions and I find it sad that you suddenly changed. You are wearing yourself out by jumping to conclusions and accusing the Middleton’s of participating in shady dealings to benefit their business. That is very sad. We should not try to take the entire Middleton family down because they have one black sheep in the family.

But again we are getting ourselves all worked up when the couple are moving on to bigger and better things. The royals aren’t considering this a big issue so we shouldn’t either.

Rman, I do not have any conclusions about either GG or the Middleton family. Nothing has been concluded, nothing has been resolved. I only have questions.

Furthermore, because of several mentions of RT, I decided to peruse their site. Something, which I haven’t done in ???? They are picking over GG’s finances with a fine tooth comb. So silence here will not make this story go away.

With regards to changing, I haven’t changed. My views of Kate, they are exactly the same as they have always been, with one exception and that relates to W & K’s marriage at this present time.

I feel I have given sound reasons for those concerns. No one as yet has even attempted to challenge those points I’ve raised.

This forum should be open to all points of view. There is no rule to say we should ALL think the same.

I do understand and share those views about the anti-Kate haters. By Kate-haters I am referring to those ones who……well I don’t like to use the language they use. Except to say, I think some of them have serious psychiatric issues.

There are those who post here and whom are not fans of Kate. I don’t have a problem with those, its the haters that tick me off.

A forum should be able to accommodate all views, providing that posters comments do not resort to the kind of…C***** Shots type language. Which I loathe with a vengeance.

As for the Daily Express article. Frankly I was extremely offended. The implication for me being ‘if you don’t agree with what wrote, then you must be a snob’. The nerve.

What is happening now, is in no way a class issue. That is why I reject that article.

My guess is, that W & K will lay low for quite sometime. William should be starting his course in Wales, and I daresay Kate has now flown off to Mustique for some R & R. Lucky thing.

So the next step in the palace PR thing, is to throw some light on Harry in order to further distract some attention.

The staged kiss didn’t work, no other Brit papers commented on it. They saw the manipulation behind it. That is, except the Express gave it the odd line in that stupid article. Palace PR again.

As for comments tagged onto those various articles. I’ve been bombarding them with just one question. Why didn’t the RPO’s do a recce?’ That question is neither pro or anti anything. We as taxpayers also pay for the RF’s security. As far as I am concerned its a valid question.

But it just goes to show, that newspapers are just as selective with the comments they print.

Therefore, one should not necessarily view all positive comments as a broad consensus. Much the same way, one shouldn’t view all negative comments as a broad consensus either.

keysmom, thank you for the compliment.

As for spelling, I have only recently discovered that you can apply the spell check in the Google bar to your post. Before submitting your comment, just click on the spell check.

Problem with that though is I don’t always remember to do it.

Result of last poll (found on BBC link) “A recent poll shows that 72% of the British public support the monarchy and are in favour of the continuation of the institution, while 18% would prefer a republic.

The results comes after Ipsos MORI who conducted the poll interviewed 1,006 people over the age of 18 by telephone. The poll asked members of the public “at what age, if at all, should the Queen retire?” 64% said the Queen should never retire while 18% said she should retire now. Queen Elizabeth II seems to be doing an excellent job as Monarch and head of state according to the poll, as 85% of the public believe she is doing a good job.”

so 40% is pure fantasy and not true.

Hey, NYme, I almost forgot to ask. You said you are from Belgium. So…..do you think you shall keep your monarchy. The word here is, it is not looking good.

Can you please enlighten us. Are people over here in England misconstruing the situation?

Hale there as always been a class issure regarding the Middletons. When William & Kate had that very brief split in 07, the press and even royal bloggers came up with the class issue. People have put Kate and her family down by saying that they are not high class enough to be a part of the royal family. The class issue has not gone away and it still comes up when people talk about a marriage between William & Kate.

But I think what bothers me the most is that no one really pays enough attention to the fact the we are talking about a couple that is in love with each other and they are sticking by each other no matter what. That’s the important thing here Hale, love. William knows Kate and her family better than all of us and I know that it hurts him that her family is treated so badly in the press. People act like they know what’s best for him and his heart but when he planted that kiss on her, he threw all protocol to the wind and did what he felt was right. I would have done the samething.

GG did not hurt the idea of marriage between William & Kate Hale. It just became known that Kate has a black sheep in her family and her family is not perfect. If she marries William, she will be joining a non-perfect family as well. GG will not follow Kate up and down the corridors of Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle. We must separate Kate from her uncles actions just like we separate the royals from their family’s mistakes.

I feel sorry for anyone who thought Kate’s family was perfect.

Jayhawk I think people grew tierd of having no answers from Kate and her family so they attack them. We all knew that anyone woman that William dates the press would harass them and their family but I think this situation has been taken too far. What’s sad is that Kate can’t defend herself and her family. All she can do is take the beating, abuse and snobbery. It’s a crazy situation to be in but that’s what happens when you are in love, you do crazy things.

Hale, If it where directly from Kate yes I’d say its a scandal and she brought it upon her. But since its not her, I don’t see the issue, effect on Kate. This question has been asked to you many times in all the forums, even referred to in blacksheep articles, why would it be Kate’s fault what her uncle does. You have given your reason but its not strong, doesn’t hold water, because you are supposing or have a theory that something further may come out. You say it with total security and I’m afraid you’ll be proved wrong.

Rman I did like the Tough Week article. The journalist states that Prince William has put in the past the Uncle Gary scandal.

Me, I take it therefore in your country they take a laid back view of your public figures relatives. A relative of your president or, I don’t know what you would call your MP, but if it transpired they said words to the effect of, ”I have a company that delivers to your door, £43 per gram.” ”You need me as a friend, I can put you on to someone who supplies prostitutes”.

Its a laid back attitude in your country…YES?

I am merely trying to ascertain the view people take of their public figures and any scandals which may erupt because of their relatives.

That’s all.

Another real example, where I live there are 2 very important political brothers, they live each with their families. One was caught hands down a la NOTW with video and all in an MP style corruption. He was prosecuted, scrapped and jailed. His other brother has nothing to do with this, he actually is a role model.

Privately, the good brother was investigated with those “hungry” journalists out there, no skeleton was found in HIS cupboard.

I’ll do something, if any evidence surfaces in the future about the Middleton family involved financially with Gary Goldsmith “alleged” dealings with Drugs and Sex, then they are offenders. BUT if not, I DO not think its fair to ruin the life of an entire family because of 1 a**hole.

I say alleged because I do believe as per now that he personally ruined his life in a very short span of his previous wonderful life; a role model business man, mulitmillionaire, retires in Ibiza and went totally out of control and wild over there. I really can’t find myself at the moment to suggest or suspect that he previously before Ibiza did anything unlawfull. Actually, I never have had those theories, I like to discuss of what we all actually have from the press.

Scandals do loose people their jobs, and ruins their careers.

We have a wonderful common phrase, wherby the person who has been engrossed in a scandal always says, ”They shall take legal advice, and They intend to clear their name.

As for relatives, it depends on what it is, but is a cause of great embarassment. Drugs and sexual scandals are the worst, and require excellent PR. No one wants to be tarred with the same brush as their relatives.

Hale,

I happen to agree with you. The MPs should face their accounting (pardon the pun). And it is the fact that our government (and many others, regretfully) seem so unwilling to hold those with the greatest privileges accountable that makes people loose all respect and trust in the system.

In the case of GG, it is more complex. I actually do not know if he did anything illegal in Ibiza. S’truth! Spanish drug laws are very liberal, and it would depend on how much drugs he actually had in the home, and other factors. In Ibiza, of course, such a prosecution would actually be really random, for as I said before, GG’s lifestyle is what provides the island its bread and butter.

As far as laws in the UK, all he said in the video is that he knows pimps (I don’t recall if he even said he uses them). Here, then, his level of criminal offense would be much less serious, and probably not carry any significant sentence. In so far as the drugs, they would actually have to catch him with them. And if he is really in a bad place, given his notoriety, they may very well do just that, next time he is in makes it back here.

Hale, re: protection

So you see, and we agree, this is what it comes to. In Spain, you will hear the absolute wildest conspiracy theories (nuns and priest figure prominently in them) because as a society they are still healing the wounds of so many years of dictatorship where a wall of silence allowed the selected few to get away with whatever they wanted (including murder, as recent tomb findings suggest).

Now people speak here speak of protection for GG. And they will not be denied in their feelings (because this is what they are) since they see it happening everyday, the MPs being the most recent example. I say let us reject all corrupt politicians in the ballots, and as you know, there are many groups and sites who have put forth strategies to do so.

Going after a private citizen, because of the scandal value of his kinship to someone who is still a private citizen? Cynical, and in fact, dilutes the outrage out our government, and allows things to keep working as they are. Prosecuting GG will end with that prosecution. KM not marrying PW will simply mean that another woman will be be more astute the next time around. And our MPs will still be doing the reverse robin hood, and robbing us blind.

Sojourner, I am all for locking up our politicians and throwing away the key. Amen to that.

However, with regards to W & K, as I have consistently said, my views on Kate have never changed. I have never and still do not have an issue with Kate. I don’t know how many times I have to say it for people to understand that.

My issue is, that this is a scandal, whether you, I or anyone else likes it or not. It needs to be aired and not contained as I believe the palace PR are doing.

Until then, I do not believe they should marry.

As for GG, I do not care whether this man is the richest and most powerful man in the world, or whether he is some road-sweeper from Luton. GG, disgusts me. He is a dealer and a pimp.

I can only pray, that our police keep a sharp look out, and commence investigations into his business’.

I say this because ‘drugs’ has reared its ugly head, and we have a public interest to know the extent of it.

If W & K were to marry without this matter being resolved, then this story will only surface later and do untold damage to the monarchy as a whole.

Why feed fodder to republicans?

That’s all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202189/Kate-Middletons-mother-warns-family-heads-storm-drug-taking-uncle.html

Here’s the latest.

I just read the Daily Mail article about the Middletons. I you did not think that Kate really loved William, there is the proof. She is willing to keep herself away from everyone and everything that could possibly bring any kind of publicity to herself. She wants very much to not cause William any trouble. I feel very sorry for her and her family. All she ever did was to date and then fall in love with William. As is true that we can’t choose our family, we can’t choose who to fall in love with. So the Middletons again are walking on egg shells. They must love Kate and William an awful lot to curb their outside activities. Before you say that it is the prize, I believe that she is worried about messing things up for William. A love like hers is not to be cast aside so easily. Even though, the person is the future king who will need that kind of love and support in the future.

Hale,
The DM article supports everything you said earlier today.

She practicaly copy paste Hale’s posts.

Here is another Sunday Express artical and it mentions how close William & Kate is to that alter.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/116488/Will-the-Middleton-men-tarnish-Kate-s-crown-

Well Hale I think GG’s case wasn’t really bad when the couple visited three years ago but of course they wouldn’t go back there now.

Yeah leave it to KN to go off the deep end and try it seem like James Middleton is no good. The girl’s family is always attacked and she can’t do anything about it. It’s a situation I wouldn’t want my daughter in and that’s why many other girls turned William down back in the day. They didn’t want their “not so clean” family dragged through the mud.

Rina,

Good journalism is that which admits its biases and reveals them to the reader so the reader can make its own judgement. As we learned in primary school, it is impossible to write without a point of view (the very definition of bias in most dictionaries).

Rina,
Excellent post!

Rina, do I have a crush on Kate? YES I DO. Do I believe Kate or her family is perfect? NO

I totally understand that people think that Kate should show more interest in charity work and just get involved in some organizations that interest her, I have have been saying that for a longtime now and if you could read correctly, then you would notice that.

The Telegraph had mentioned that in their artical awhile back, they know the press and public wish that Kate show more interest in charitable work but they also mentioned that royal advisors didn’t want Kate to be compared to Diana and so they have hesitate to get her involved with charities. Believe it or not but the Palace watches Kate and have limited her to doing things.

Last year if you will remember, Kate helped organize a charity disco event to raise money for her late friend who died of cancer several years ago. The charity roller disco event was organized to be fun and everybody dressed in 80′s fashion. While Kate fell by mistake and the attention of the event went to her fall and not to the purpose of the event. The press was all over Kate for falling and criticized her for it.

People also questions if Kate is using her royal connections if she gets involved with charities so this girl is in a no win situation. I’m not being bias in anyway, I’m just acknowledging the situation for what it is, Kate is in a stifling position.

Rina, again,

While many of the European current princesses where accomplished, none of them use such accomplishments today. Poor Maxima tried her best, and found no end of grief. I am sure that after the experience of Sophie, (and the misadventures of those so unique Royals, PA nd his crew), the RF is more than happy to have a “work virgin” so to speak.

And then again, it may be best to look back at PW’s own mother’s work history. Innocuous and utterly non-prestigious jobs. Of course, Diana did not receive the same education as KM. But then, she did not end up needing it either.

And ultimately, trying to make monarchy and feminism compatible /:) is, well, impossible, wouldn’t you agree?…

Heavens, thank you Bella. That’s a hell of a compliment, and I do hope you continue to post.

Meanwhile, sorry guy’s but I’ve taken a second look at that Adrian Lee article. I missed this the first time, allow me to quote:

“Most famously, in 1936, Edward VIII was forced to abdicate because he fell in love with Wallace Simpson, a divorcee whose past made her unsuitable to become Queen. There are parallels to be drawn with these cases and what Kate is currently enduring. Yet Koo and Mrs Simpson can be said to have brought the repercussions on themselves.”

What have I been saying all week? Steve are you flattered by this? Not only do the press still your jokes, but they still things from your posters.

Well now Rman, as to Kate not being able to defend herself. That I wholeheartedly agree with, and I can’t help but think perhaps it would have been nicer of William to just break the, ”we don’t comment on the personal lives of the RF”, just once speak out.

Instead, of the staged kiss in the car park. Frankly I have seen more passion in a David Attenborough wildlife documentary.

Really, I do think William could have done better.

This weekend’s articles from Katie Nicholl and Clive Goodman reveal nothing, really. They clearly have nothing new to say. If anything, I feel sorry for Pippa and James, who are now being dragged into this ugly media business. After all, the press already had their rounds with Carole. Who’s next? Papa Mike? The cousins? It’s really a ruthless world, and I wish they have the strength to endure it all.

Unfortunately I feel kate will never have a voice or be heard as the RF seem to control everything. She has to give up alot already and they are just dating.

maddie that is something people don’t understand, the royals do control everything and there’s a limit on what you can do as a girlfriend. People want Kate to be this superwoman and do things that will make her look like a future Queen but if she’s not allowed to go out and do great things, then there’s nothing she can do about it.

She’s not officially engaged yet so she can’t go with William on his official engagements so basically her job is to stay in the background, smile but say nothing. I guess it is a simple rule to follow for one, two or three years but to do it for seven years, that’s something else all together.

The Sun:
Prince Andrew hires a ballerina from Singapore for instructions on how to swing his “golf” stick at £300.

PW does not need GG to be corrupted. Its all in the family, so to speak.

Hello,

Guys please. Lets just ‘zip it’.

There is more words on here than the entire UK press.

It’s bad, it’s serious it may even be terminal but for loyalty sake lets just zip it once and for all

Ked, I agree. It is time to move onto other topics. Let’s give everyone time to work things out.

ms_suomi at post #98, AWESOME post.

These people are going on about Kate Middleton as if she has any control over her uncle’s behaviour, all the while their future KING’S WIFE, CAMILLA aka “The Rottweiler,” CAR-TRUNK-TO-TRYST0-SMUGLEE, will be QUEEN.

Kate not suitable my a***.

I agree Ked and I also agree Kat & Guest.

The Queen ascended the throne in 1952. In the past 57 years she has barely put a foot wrong. What do we know about the Queen? We know about her hobbies. The Queen loves dogs, horses and country pursuits. But we don’t know what the Queen thinks, what her opinions are or what the Queen’s politics are.

The Queen as head of state has shown herself to be someone who takes her duties as head of state seriously. The Queen is extremely had working. The Queen endeavours to work closely with all her elected prime ministers. The Queen keeps her own counsel, has remained neutral at all times and has appeared so.

When the Queen eventually succumbs, historians will look back on the Queen’s reign and present their dissection’s.

In my opinion, to date I can only think of three occasions which she may come under criticism. 1. The 1956 Suez Crisis. 2. The MP’s Expense Scandal and 3. The death of Diana.

Whatever historians may make of the Queen’s reign, the Queen will hand over to Charles a smoother trans cession than the post war Britain the Queen inherited.

When Charles ascends the throne, of course there shall be those well wishers. It will be an opportunity for street parties and other celebrations. On the day of the coronation itself, people will wave and cheer, loudly.

Following the Coronation, it shall also be followed by a honeymoon period for Charles. But, eventually that shall wear off because all honeymoons come to an end eventually.

What then follows is, we shall be reminded that our new King is just as hard working as his late mother. Charles to will apply his duties rigorously. Who knows, several Commonwealth tours may follow.

However, unlike the Queen, Charles is an initiator. He feels passionately about numerous subjects. Architecture, Farming and the Environment to name a few.

However, when Charles inherits the throne, he to will bring to it baggage. People may have become acclimatised to some degrees about his relationship with Diana and his consequential marriage to Camilla. But Charles is not hugely popular. Not to the degree he once was, before his marriage to Diana.

Today, he cannot open his mouth without it being either misconstrued, or the press picking their moment to take a swipe at him.

ms-suomi: When Charles inherits the throne he shall also be Head of the Church of England. No, adultery is not okay, and despite Marc Bollands PR tactics, Camilla’s presence only serves to remind us of those, “there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded.”

We shall also recall that Charles once entertained ambitions to be a ladies ‘personal device.’ We are also only to aware, that her own son once abused illegal substances.

ms-suomi & Guest, you were therefore quite right in raising this issue.

All in all, Charles has a very hard time ahead of him. Charles is therefore also reliant on William to raise Charles’ profile as well as his own, and do everything to assist his father thereby ensuring a smooth trans cession when he also takes over. Difficult, since as I said Charles isn’t hugely popular, neither is Camilla.

This is why Charles shall also be reliant on William in the hope that some of young Williams stardust shall sprinkle on him.

William, to date hasn’t been much in the public eye. He is busy serving/hiding in S&R. It is known that William has a phobia about the media. It is also known, that William has attempted to manipulate the media in the past, and I am not referring to the kiss in the car park. I am referring to the time when W & K left a club or restaurant, sped away but returned by way of encouraging the media pack to follow him. That way he could protest and make a strong complaint against the media by drawing parallels between what himself and the death of his mother.

Unfortunately for William, the press filmed it all, made their own complaint and the film broadcast on all the news channels.

William at the present time is reliant on his late mother’s image to get him through. He has yet to develop a relationship with the public at large. William has yet to acquire ‘stardust’ of his own. So it is important whoever he marries should be free of any ‘bagage’ of her own.

Kate has had a very hard time dealing with press intrusions of herself and her family. Yet despite this, and because of an agreement hammered out on her behalf by CH, she does enjoy some privacy. Although, that doesn’t mean there aren’t those who cross the line. That Australian mag for one.

When Kate marries William, the press agreement will end. It is true that she will have the full support of the palace machine behind her, but on the whole the ‘gloves’ come off in so far as the press are concerned. When W marries K, she ceases to be a private person and becomes a public one.

W at some point will have to take on full time royal duties, and with Kate at his side. Both shall experience greater press intrusions not only into their private lives but also those of their families and their friends.

Guest say’s: “Kate is in it for the long haul, and those who don’t like it, need to get over it or side with the Republicans.”

Good point. Because if this scandal and any future revelations are not aired before W & K are married, then K shall never become Queen just as William may never become King.

As for William. Well he is fast losing his golden boy looks. Few girls screaming the way they were when William went to Canada all those years ago. Who is William? What is William like? All we know about William is that he is the son of the late Diana. That isn’t going to substain him, so why even bother to fight and retain him?

So Guest, you may indeed get your wish, and people shall side with the Republicans. Because Charles’ lack of popularity shan’t save William, and whose going to save William?

William will save William. From my seat he is a good man, he’s picked from all outward appearances a lovely match, and they will be alright.

I’ll eat my hat if the UK ever rids itself of that money-making tourist institution otherwise known as the Royal family. Alot of smoke blowing from haters. Nothing more.

I found it superficial and shallow.

Me, coming from you I take that as a compliment.

Guest, you have my sympathy.

Children, children…
no name calling please. And perhaps, once again, may I join the chorus that suggests its time for the topic to take a nap? We are getting tired and testy.

Sojourner,
Speak for yourself. I am not getting tired and testy. I want to discuss current topics about the BRF.

Just because you have taken a nap on the UG topic does not mean the media has, and the last time I checked, this morning, they were still talking about UG.

We have always talked about current royal topics here, why are you deciding that we can not?

Hale,
I suspected that you misunderstood Me’s post as referring to yours, which was extensive, and not the article about Kate’s make up , which was nothing but superficial. However, the comment was broad enough to include whoever posted in a non-cordial way.

Clover,
I responded to the tone of the posts in a way I thought would be funny. I also merely repeated what others have said here. Apparently we do not share the same humor. However, your response proves my point, that we are feeling besieged, when in fact we are simply agreeing to disagree, and accepting that we will not change anyone’s views. So, please, can we, even when we disagree, take the high road?

With all the best intentions (and apparent unfunniness)

Sojourner

Hale, I am not bullying anyone, never have.
This is what IMO I disagree and if you feel hurt about it, I am sorry, but I truly dislike when…

Superficial
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As for William. Well he is fast losing his golden boy looks. Few girls screaming the way they were when William went to Canada all those years ago. Who is William? What is William like? All we know about William is that he is the son of the late Diana. That isn’t going to substain him, so why even bother to fight and retain him?
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I am not going to make the long list of good PW has done and I find critizising the physical appearance of a person to be shallow.

Next, KN article has so much hogwash its embarassing. No other paper has given a toss. Checking pressdisplay one can find Blacksheep articles with its respective date day after and KN who regretfully was the only journo out of the invitation to Harry NY Polo press conference and W&H press conference at the RAF.

If that doesn’t give any clues of KN actual situation, then I don’t what does, she needs her paycheck.

Bullying
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The reason for mainly someone being bullied is based on their appearance, race or skin colour.
First verbal bullying is the most common type of bullying. For example, criticizing someone because of their physical appearance is a lot like verbal bullying. Society teaches us to become critical of others in their downfalls. If everyone just accepted everyone for the way they are and think before they speak, verbal bullying would be something of the past.
In conclusion, people are encouraged to bullying by the society they live in which has shallow beliefs and philosophy; they try to find something to believe in, to find values, but they cannot. This situation created nihilism to them and many times creates fanaticism which leads to violent actions. The negatively influencing environment should be fought against.
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Extracts from a bullying book

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