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	<title>Comments on: Bea a Dead Ringer for Victoria</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mapleleaf,thank you for that very interesting,detailed explanation of titles and styles!

I can&#039;t wait to see which dukedom William is granted. I have read that Cambridge is likely. Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mapleleaf,thank you for that very interesting,detailed explanation of titles and styles!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait to see which dukedom William is granted. I have read that Cambridge is likely. Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Clover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bluefire, 
Thanks! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluefire,<br />
Thanks! <img src='http://www.britishroyalwedding.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shivs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shivs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting posts, all!! Thanks for the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting posts, all!! Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: bluefire</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluefire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let us wait for there  new roles  by he way  your Rman, Lisa and Clover and mapleaf  last post magnificent i think bea wears i better than  Alexa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let us wait for there  new roles  by he way  your Rman, Lisa and Clover and mapleaf  last post magnificent i think bea wears i better than  Alexa</p>
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		<title>By: Clover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sojourner, 
LOL! I really like the titles you have given us!  :) 

Let us hope that we have many, many royal issues to research, analyze, gain inside knowledge of, or understand from a peerage perspective in the next few months and next year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sojourner,<br />
LOL! I really like the titles you have given us!  <img src='http://www.britishroyalwedding.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Let us hope that we have many, many royal issues to research, analyze, gain inside knowledge of, or understand from a peerage perspective in the next few months and next year!</p>
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		<title>By: sojourner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Rman, Lisa and Clover as Royal Researchers,
Ked as Undercover Royal Insider, and Hale as Royal Analyst,
Mapleleaf surely qualifies as Royal Peeragist (Peerist?)

Your latest post have been masterful, M-L :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Rman, Lisa and Clover as Royal Researchers,<br />
Ked as Undercover Royal Insider, and Hale as Royal Analyst,<br />
Mapleleaf surely qualifies as Royal Peeragist (Peerist?)</p>
<p>Your latest post have been masterful, M-L <img src='http://www.britishroyalwedding.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that James and Louise can call themselves whatever they want when they come of age, and it would be their right to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that James and Louise can call themselves whatever they want when they come of age, and it would be their right to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: mapleleaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapleleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I should&#039;ve said that Prince Edward&#039;s son Lord James is also &#039;James, Viscount Severn&#039;.  

It has been said that when Prince Phillip passes, HM is going to make Prince Edward the Duke of Edinburgh, and the Earldom of Wessex will then revert to the Crown.

When Prince Andrew passes, because he has no male heirs the Dukedom of York will revert to the crown as well.  As the Dukedom of York is usually granted to the second son of the Sovereign, it would normally go to Harry, but by the time Andrew is no longer here Harry will probably have been a Duke for years already.

So after Andrew is gone, the Dukedom of York will revert to the crown and if William is King at that time, he would be able to bestow it on his second son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I should&#8217;ve said that Prince Edward&#8217;s son Lord James is also &#8216;James, Viscount Severn&#8217;.  </p>
<p>It has been said that when Prince Phillip passes, HM is going to make Prince Edward the Duke of Edinburgh, and the Earldom of Wessex will then revert to the Crown.</p>
<p>When Prince Andrew passes, because he has no male heirs the Dukedom of York will revert to the crown as well.  As the Dukedom of York is usually granted to the second son of the Sovereign, it would normally go to Harry, but by the time Andrew is no longer here Harry will probably have been a Duke for years already.</p>
<p>So after Andrew is gone, the Dukedom of York will revert to the crown and if William is King at that time, he would be able to bestow it on his second son.</p>
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		<title>By: mapleleaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>mapleleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phoebe I agree with you, no Letters Patent were issued that denied Lady Louise and little Lord James their princely status, but Prince Edward himself stated at the time Lady Louise was born that he had made the decision that none of his children would ever be styled HRH.

Ginger, the children of the Monarch are all styled HRH and are princes and princesses; but with regards to the GRANDCHILDREN of the Monarch, only the children of the Monarch&#039;s sons can be HRH&#039;s and princes and princesses.

And even the male-line grandchildren&#039;s children ( the great-grandchildren) are not HRH, and they are not referred to as &#039;prince&#039; or &#039;princess&#039;.  

Instead the Monarch&#039;s male-line great-grandchildren will carry the title of &#039;Lord&#039; and &#039;Lady&#039;.

If HM follows normal tradition ( :P and somehow I think she will) then Wills and Harry will both be granted Dukedoms when they get married.  

At that time Wills will become &#039;HRH Prince William, Duke of XXXXX&#039; and his children will be &#039;Lord XXXX&#039; and &#039;Lady XXXX&#039;.  His wife will be &#039;HRH Princess William, Duchess of XXXXX&#039;

The same goes for Harry as well.  Harry will be &#039;HRH Prince Henry, Duke of XXXXX&#039; and his wife will be &#039;HRH Princess Henry, Duchess of XXXXX&#039; and the children will be Lord or Lady XXXX.

It&#039;s the same way that things are with Prince and Princess Michael and their two children, Lord Freddy and Lady Gabrielle.

Prince Michael and his wife are styled &#039;HRH Prince Michael of Kent&#039; and &#039;HRH Princess Michael of Kent&#039; but their children are only Lord and Lady, they are not HRH and they are not &#039;Prince Freddy&#039; or &#039;Princess Gabrielle&#039;.

If Wills and/or Harry becomes a father before Charles becomes King, then their children will be the great-grandchildren of the current Monarch, and even though they&#039;re of the male-line, they will be styled &#039;Lord&#039; or &#039;Lady&#039; only.

But when Charles becomes King, then both William and Harry&#039;s children will be male-line grandchildren of a Monarch, and as such, the children&#039;s styles will change to &#039;HRH Prince XXXX&#039; and &#039;HRH Princess XXXX&#039; for the rest of their lives.

In the case of Harry&#039;s children, once Charles is King Harry&#039;s children will be &#039;Prince&#039; and &#039;Princess&#039; their entire lives, and the wife/wives of Harry&#039;s son(s) will be styled &#039;HRH Princess XXXX&#039;, but Harry&#039;s grandchildren will not.

:P Of course, they could always do what they did in the middle ages, and Harry&#039;s grandchildren could marry Wills&#039; grandchildren.  That would give them all the &#039;HRH&#039; style.

*Before anyone gets outraged, I&#039;m just kidding ;) .

But Will&#039;s grandchildren and Harry&#039;s grandchildren would all be second cousins, and legally allowed to marry in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoebe I agree with you, no Letters Patent were issued that denied Lady Louise and little Lord James their princely status, but Prince Edward himself stated at the time Lady Louise was born that he had made the decision that none of his children would ever be styled HRH.</p>
<p>Ginger, the children of the Monarch are all styled HRH and are princes and princesses; but with regards to the GRANDCHILDREN of the Monarch, only the children of the Monarch&#8217;s sons can be HRH&#8217;s and princes and princesses.</p>
<p>And even the male-line grandchildren&#8217;s children ( the great-grandchildren) are not HRH, and they are not referred to as &#8216;prince&#8217; or &#8216;princess&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Instead the Monarch&#8217;s male-line great-grandchildren will carry the title of &#8216;Lord&#8217; and &#8216;Lady&#8217;.</p>
<p>If HM follows normal tradition ( <img src='http://www.britishroyalwedding.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  and somehow I think she will) then Wills and Harry will both be granted Dukedoms when they get married.  </p>
<p>At that time Wills will become &#8216;HRH Prince William, Duke of XXXXX&#8217; and his children will be &#8216;Lord XXXX&#8217; and &#8216;Lady XXXX&#8217;.  His wife will be &#8216;HRH Princess William, Duchess of XXXXX&#8217;</p>
<p>The same goes for Harry as well.  Harry will be &#8216;HRH Prince Henry, Duke of XXXXX&#8217; and his wife will be &#8216;HRH Princess Henry, Duchess of XXXXX&#8217; and the children will be Lord or Lady XXXX.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same way that things are with Prince and Princess Michael and their two children, Lord Freddy and Lady Gabrielle.</p>
<p>Prince Michael and his wife are styled &#8216;HRH Prince Michael of Kent&#8217; and &#8216;HRH Princess Michael of Kent&#8217; but their children are only Lord and Lady, they are not HRH and they are not &#8216;Prince Freddy&#8217; or &#8216;Princess Gabrielle&#8217;.</p>
<p>If Wills and/or Harry becomes a father before Charles becomes King, then their children will be the great-grandchildren of the current Monarch, and even though they&#8217;re of the male-line, they will be styled &#8216;Lord&#8217; or &#8216;Lady&#8217; only.</p>
<p>But when Charles becomes King, then both William and Harry&#8217;s children will be male-line grandchildren of a Monarch, and as such, the children&#8217;s styles will change to &#8216;HRH Prince XXXX&#8217; and &#8216;HRH Princess XXXX&#8217; for the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>In the case of Harry&#8217;s children, once Charles is King Harry&#8217;s children will be &#8216;Prince&#8217; and &#8216;Princess&#8217; their entire lives, and the wife/wives of Harry&#8217;s son(s) will be styled &#8216;HRH Princess XXXX&#8217;, but Harry&#8217;s grandchildren will not.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.britishroyalwedding.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Of course, they could always do what they did in the middle ages, and Harry&#8217;s grandchildren could marry Wills&#8217; grandchildren.  That would give them all the &#8216;HRH&#8217; style.</p>
<p>*Before anyone gets outraged, I&#8217;m just kidding <img src='http://www.britishroyalwedding.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>But Will&#8217;s grandchildren and Harry&#8217;s grandchildren would all be second cousins, and legally allowed to marry in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mapleleaf - great post but could you please explain to me why PW and PH&#039;s children will not be a prince or princess until PC becomes king?  I don&#039;t think I understand.  Not only am I from the USA but I am from south Georgia (not the side of the state that will marry their family members).  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mapleleaf &#8211; great post but could you please explain to me why PW and PH&#8217;s children will not be a prince or princess until PC becomes king?  I don&#8217;t think I understand.  Not only am I from the USA but I am from south Georgia (not the side of the state that will marry their family members).  Thanks</p>
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