Kate Middleton arrives home from Birkhall Getaway
Hands up if you can spot a certain resemblance between Kate Middleton and her royal boyfriend’s mother.
Catherine, as she prefers to be called nowadays, spread a shapely hand across her face as she walked past waiting photographers at Heathrow airport yesterday.
She had just returned from Birkhall, the Prince of Wales’s Scottish residence, where she had spent a romantic couple of days with Prince William but whether it was a sad parting or a happy return had to remain a mystery as she chose to screen herself in true Princess Diana style.
“They (William and Kate) have been told to keep their profiles low,” said one source last night. “It’s a brave move; there’s a risk that it might seem a bit precious but whether keeping out of the spotlight will endear her to the general public or not remains to be seen.”
Read entire story at Sunday Express | View photos at CelebMad.com
November 1st, 2009 08:26
Very true that this is “in true Princess Diana style.” Not allowing the paps to get a good picture is nothing new and I don’t blame Kate (or William) one bit. Is certainly preferable to the shoving, cursing or “gesturing” we’ve seen exhibited by others from time to time.
November 1st, 2009 08:37
This article is pretty desperate if you ask me. If this piece is to be believed then I was right about Scotland! A first,I’d say!
November 1st, 2009 10:25
What is wrong with these paps at the airport. Wouldn’t one photograph have been enough? They are scum to rush around KM and take several shots. How dare they!
November 1st, 2009 10:26
Good Morning All,
Well I’m just now reading the artical and I think the whole thing was sad. The journalist put up one of the last pictures we got of Diana and she too had her hand up to sheild away the paps.
It’s true that she has kept a very low profile this year, which is good in a way but I think next year that will have to change a bit. I Have said time and time again that it’s times to bring this girl out of the shadows. I can understand the situation this year because William has been busy with his training and he haven’t had much time to do many royal engagements but I think next year should be different. Kate should be seen by William’s side a bit more so the public can get to know her a bit.
I just think the few odd sightings every year like weddings, polo and holidays have grown a tad stale and it’s time to see a turn around from all of that. JMO!
November 1st, 2009 10:32
Redlady that’s how they work. It’s too much like right for them to take the pictures from a distance so they get up all up in your face and just make the whole encounter uncomfortable.
I know she must hate going through that from time to time.
November 1st, 2009 10:42
Rman,
Good morning! I think something needs to change for Kate. I like your suggestions. Maybe she needs to spend more time with William in public appearances. Maybe an engagement and a move into an official resident.
November 1st, 2009 11:27
hi everybody,
Happy these two find their own way to spend time together away from the public eye. Otherwise I suppose their relation would be in danger. They find the exact fine way to make their story survive. On another point, I adore the jacket Kate wore with the zip and the fabric. Class. This girl has class even with a jean, suede boots and a little jacket. When she’ll be dress with the best outfits from big name designer, it will be something!!!
November 1st, 2009 11:37
Maybe Clover. I’m not comparing her to Camilla but I remember way before her engagement to Charles Camilla got a chance to be introduced to the public the proper way. She attended the Mey Highland games with Charles and she got a chance to mingle with members of the public by shaking their hands and accepting their flowers. She also attended the Sandringham flower show and she again got a chance to meet members of the public. When members of the public was asked about Camilla and what they thought of her, they said that she was lovely and just very kind. Now I know Camilla’s situation was different but I think that is what need to happen with Kate. She seem to be a lovely person that is very supportive and loving towards William but the public needs to feel that too.
Next year things hould change for her because I just don’t know how log she will be able to put up with all of this. She has come too far to be going through the samething over and over again.
November 1st, 2009 11:40
Sorry I misspelled a few words.
November 1st, 2009 11:41
Rman, it’s too bad you aren’t marrying her yourself seeing how you’re an expert . . .
November 1st, 2009 12:08
LOl, well Jawhawk I would just like to see some change now. Who knows maybe next year that change will come about.
November 1st, 2009 12:12
Hi, for those who believe in astrology, a silly point: I was reading the horoscope for november and it’s write this is a time when the cancerians, as William, will decide to do an important change in 2010, wich can be to move of city, house or… to marry.
Seriously, they try to keep a low profile since they start to date, and that’s why nobody knows exactly when it happened. In my opinion I think their several appearances togegher was a way to show William was not ashamed of her as many used to say. Perhaps a low profile use to be habitual in the RF before the announcement of an engagement. For more expected it can be, the annoucement always take everybody by surprise, don’t?
November 1st, 2009 12:16
“wich can be”, I want to mean “which”
November 1st, 2009 12:33
Rman,
Don’t worry about the typos, I make them all the time. The important thing is to get your point across and you did that very well with the Camilla example. I agree if Kate and Will make a few joint appearances together, then we will be able to see Kate in a new light and get to know more about her.
I think everyone here is ready for a change in this relationship. We will see what the new year brings!
November 1st, 2009 12:39
NYme, I REALLY like her jacket also. Kept looking at the pictures just to salivate over it.
November 1st, 2009 12:53
Hello,
I thought it a little odd that KM was travelling through the airport alone . On most other similar occasions she has been ‘attended’ by one of PW’s friends , just in case. It certainly stops any of the rumours that she had her own security detail which again I am most surprised at.
Of course the other big and important puzzel is where was PW?
I have heard that he hasn’t been seen at Shawbury or Anglesey since his visit to the Valley Base about three/four months ago.
Perhaps his training has been transfered to the Scottish base hence KM visit to Birkhill?
Whatever, I have always been very suspicious of PW’s move to the SandR and even his attitude to it.
With the intensity required to undertake such training as laid down by his initial CO there is either somehing odd or the training is not so intense and can be undertaken part time?
I do wonder what regular officers in the SandR really think about the entire excercise. I know PW was awarded what they called ‘provisional’ wings after his very short flying training but Sand R really is a serious activity and surely qualification in that branch must be earned, repected and not devalued.
I also read a piece stating that the Football Association were negotiating for PW to go to South Africa in December to attend the World Cup Draw. I wonder if they also negotiated with the RAF ?
I think the RF, CH, PB and PW himself is courting disaster with the secrecy and attention his life attracts. One day soon I do feel that someone must take this entire matter in hand , be straight with the public and instruct PW that he does have a Prince’s lifestyle and attendant perks without spending so much effort in misleading all and sundry.
His paranoir with the press has now spread to a paranoir to his future subjects and world in general. Eventually this will reflect badly upon him and the RF in general as it has to a certain extent rebounded upon KM and her family in particular.
November 1st, 2009 13:17
Well Clover you are right, lets just wait and see what the new year will bring.
November 1st, 2009 13:34
ked,I agree with many of your thoughts. A few things to consider,however. Firstly, given this report is from a tab, how do we know they did not simply stab in the dark like I did and see the flight out of Aberdeen, put two and two together and poof! there’s your story? I was actually surprised to wake up today and not find pics of the pair at a halloween bash. Maybe Kate attended one and William remained at base? Maye they are traveling seperately to avoid the attention that occurs when they travel together? The sign in the airport pointed to “central London”. Where was Kate headed? I think these writers have about as much info as we do.
In regards to William’s paranoia/Privacy issues..I think in the end, he may end up damaging the image of himself and Kate with all this secrecy/privacy. They are 27 now. It’s time to stop playing games and start acting like an adult about this relationship where the public is concerned. In the eyes of some of the public,it is like he is embarrassed or ashamed of the pairing and I don’t thikn that is the case. I think he is fiercely protective of Kate because of what happened to Diana both in terms of her life and what she went through as a royal and how the press treated her and her death and the paps/press role in it. Maybe it is time to put faith in the woman he loves because my preception is that Kate is emotionally stronger then Diana and can handle what is coming her way. William just needs to realize that and let this fear go.
November 1st, 2009 13:54
I’m glad someone agrees with my views on William’s paranoia issues. The cat and mouse games he’s so fond of playing will bring about his downfall one day. He needs to treat the press with respect and the press will return the respect; William treats the media like dirt and in return they treat Kate like dirt. The press can either be your friend or foe, so surely it’s the better option to win them over than play childish games with them?
November 1st, 2009 14:04
Britt,I agree about the press being either a friend or a foe but respect is really not a two way street,especially with the tabs which is really what is in question here. They will love you today but as soon as the hint of a scandal that can sell papers hit,they will sell you down the river in a heartbeat. The tabs and the media don’t care about William, his position, his girlfriend or his marriage. They care about the readership and money it can bring.
November 1st, 2009 14:28
Good points Lisa. But I still maintain that you should treat other people how you want to be treated – William should learn how to respect the press (I’m not referring to the paparazzi here) and the press in return may possibly treat him and his girlfriend better. The media know full well that Will manipulates them so whats stopping them from getting their claws out as an act of retaliation? Nothing. A little respect between the two parties will go a long way to diffusing the situation here.
If the monarchy wants to survive far into the technological 21st century it’s about time they got incredibly media-savvy. William’s disgraceful habit of sulking and hiding won’t make the media disappear as they are here to stay!
November 1st, 2009 14:28
Well that is true too Lisa and Britt is right too, the games should stop now. The press will never be anyones friend but it’s time for the couple to stop the shenanigans already.
November 1st, 2009 14:35
Well,Britt, you are quite right but the more time that goes by the more I feel William has dug his heel in and decided that he will have a private life as long as he can without having to play the prince and princess role for the public. I don’t think he is into it and I don’t think Kate is into it. I think if they could have married privately in a small church they would have been married years ago. I don’t think either of them is anxious for or looking forward to, a public wedding in front of the world followed by life in a fishbowl with “men in grey suits” sticking their noses into their business.
November 1st, 2009 15:07
Well it will be up to the couple to setup their own standards once they marry, it don’t have to be all hell when they get married. They will still have a great deal of privacy and they probably won’t do that much royal duties because William is still in training. These two had enough time to frolick around over the years and it’s just time to get serious now because it seems like everyone is getting tired of the games. It would be great for them to do more charity events together or maybe make a private visit to a city together. Prince Albert and Charlene is not even officially engaged but they just took New York by storm and attended a charity event, that’s what I want to see from William & Kate now. Time to get on with things.
November 1st, 2009 15:14
Very true Rman, upon marriage W&K can make a heaven out of a hell depending on them approaching it with the right attitude.
November 1st, 2009 15:16
Rman,I agree. I saw the footage of Prince Albert and his partner and thought how forward thinking that family is in regards to the BRF. Sadly,I don’t see any of that from William. I think the protocol of the RF is tooo restricting and based on a time that has long since gone. Maybe we saw a baby step when William was pictured with Kate at the Starlight event. Now if that event was mentioned on the royal website,that would be progress. But so far the family more or less does not even acknowledge Kate’s existence publically, which given the longevity of the relationship seems silly to me. make no mistake about it,William is getting to the point in his life where he has the power to change things but for whatever reason,does not. I think it is an immaturity on his part to be honest with you.
November 1st, 2009 15:48
It all comes down to the way you approach your royal roles and it don’t have to be a burden unless you make it a burden.
I thought is was a good idea for Albert & Charlene to attend the charity event in New York together. It gave some New Yorkers a chance to meet his longtime companion and I think the British people need a chance to meet Kate. The people are fed soo much media rubbish about this young lady and I think it’s time for them to get to know her for themselves. Lisa I think the Starlight event was a baby step and that’s what people want to see, them out taking the world by storm.
It’s great to see them making time for each other because in their situation, they have to work extra hard to keep things together but I’m just hoping to see a bit more change by next year.
November 1st, 2009 15:49
Hello,
Rman, I can not be sure what PW is up to but several sources whisper that Training is a ‘Myth’ with time scales and sightings seeming to confirm that point. He is also frequently seen in and around that certain part of London in ca and motor cycle.
In addition during his basic flying training , official bulletins and unofficial sightings at Pubs, India Restaurants, cinema with RAF colleagues were observed and noted.
Any now?
Lisa, I am certain that there is a reluctance amongst certain sections of the RF to accept KM but PW seems to be most insistent on getting his way. However, as a future Sovereign any ‘boycott’ of his wedding would be
a severe blow to the stability of Royalty. There have been several reports (press talk I acknowledge) of stress between certain relatives of PW and both KM and family.
I also believe that arrangements for a wedding during 2009 were well in hand but cancelled late 2008 but since that time PW has at least been more supportive of KM and family than he ever was previously.
PW is a complete enigma, charming and full of fun in certain instances but moody , sulky and arrogant at others. He seems to be most uncertain as to his role in life and/or when he should take up his birthright with confidence and humility.
My view is that there is still a rocky road ahead for PW/KM and it is to be hoped that he retains his love and affection for KM despite all and everything that comes his way.
November 1st, 2009 16:00
ked,I don’t think anyone would boycott William’s wedding. I think there is more to this then meets the eye. I certainly agree that something is afoot with his “intensive” RAF training. As far as the wedding goes,I have come to the conclusion that several factors are preventing it. The main thing in my mind is that the couple is simply not ready and / or willing to “play the game” yet, but the astronomical cost of the event may also be playing a part. I also maintain that William and Kate are living under the same roof more then they are apart.
November 1st, 2009 16:46
Ked brings up a very good point or two as do you lisa.
If the training is in essence a myth or not intensive then what in the heck IS he doing?
KM aside and all that means PW is FAR too OLD to be dodging responsibility.
someone needs to seperate out for him his thoughts, it sounds like he ties everything into one and then digs his heels in.
There is professional life and personal life.
To my mind the most important is professional duties. Until he is in the responible prince mode with full time duties i doubt he is thinking marriage. Not because KM isn’t suitabe but because anything permanent he can put off he will.
Duties do not equal marriage nor babies till he is ready – to my mind. He can an dwill have children in his own time but responsibilities to the crown come very first.
He has to fish or cut bait, but my feeling has always been with PW that he finds life decisions incredibly hard and being out of the comfort of those he trusts nearly impossible to deal with.
With regards to KM if i was her I would ask him to sort himself out and come back when he was ready fo rmarriage unless of course she isn’t ready for marriage either. Does anyeone know what she has said on the subject? Does she want to marry?
I guess my point is William needs to step back and figure out what is right for HIM givein his limitations in life, What we ALL do.
Then take up the royal slack – which i have noticed he has been doign and is doign it better.
in terms of women well, I think and this is only a personal thought, that while KM fits the bill in many ways for William he may still feel the perfect one is out there. I am not saying KM is not perfect for him, she may well be.
I just dont think he is anywhere near a decision
But i think to hope nad want William to take responsiblity when he doesn’t have to is futile he has shown again and again in his life that he is very undecided about alot of things
And until it impinges on his sense of right or wrong he won’t do a damn thing about it.
November 1st, 2009 17:06
Well we do know that the royals and courtiers do approve of Kate, if not she would have never come this far in the game. It’s been said that Charles & Camilla really like her and even enjoy having her at Birkhall, the girl was just there and was there over the holidays. I don’t think William would have called off a wedding and still live. The one thing us men know today that our women would kill us if we pulled a stunt like that. This years economy cisis would have most likely put a hault on that. I also don’t see William hurting Kate in that way.
William & Kate will have a bumpy road ahead of them regareless because no ones marriage runs completely smooth. Relationships take work and marriage takes work. Looking just looking how far William & Kate have come in their relationship tells me that they will make it through their marriage.
The one thing William & Kate have to understand is that if they continue to play this game of not wanting to take on some royal responsibility after all this time, the British people may catch on to that and not want them to be their future King & Queen. The people don’t like to feel rejected. The Monarchy already have Canada & Australia thinking twice about their future with the royals.
November 1st, 2009 17:10
I disagree with the concept that it is William who is pondering this “decision”. I don’t think that is the case. William and Kate have been a couple for too long and seem too comfortable with one another for one to be awaiting the other to make up their mind,if you will. I think the delay is on both parts due to the extraordinary situation they are in. William will live up to his duties to the crown and he will marry are produce an heir and I believe he will do it with Kate by his side but he will do it his way and on his terms.
November 1st, 2009 17:13
really? That is an interesting point that if you were her, you would ask him to sort himself out and come back when he was ready for marriage, but do you think KM would have the strength to do that in the face of the possibility of him going off and finding someone else?
November 1st, 2009 17:17
The POW sebsite is still saying that “Prince William is training to become a fully operational RAF Search and Rescue Pilot”. Are you saying that they’re lying Ked?
November 1st, 2009 17:21
As much as I’d like to see Will and Kate marry, they are only 27-28. They are young yet. What is the hurry? The only thing I would be mindful of is the ages of the Queen and Prince Phillip. If William does not want a big shebang made over his nuptials, then he really should marry before he becomes Prince of Wales, when any marriage ceremony where he is the groom most certainly will be a sideshow again.
On a related note, I watched Charles & Diana’s wedding again, and he really did look like he wanted to dispute the Archbishop of Canterbury during parts of the vows — he scratched his nose and looked away. Very awkward to say the least.
November 1st, 2009 17:21
Jayhawk,by some accounts,Kate already did that in 2007 and he came back quite quickly. Of course we will never really know what happened with that breakup but I have heard several accounts that it was Kate,not William that broke it off.
In reality,if they split,it will be Kate, not William that will have the easier time finding another partner. Wills comes with a ton of baggage and many of the ladies the Monarchy will deem suitable would run fast and far.
November 1st, 2009 17:53
Did anyone else notice that Kate isn’t wearing her “Friendship Ring”? Probably not a big deal – but it seems to me that she ALWAYS wears it…..
November 1st, 2009 17:57
We just have to wait and see what will happen. I know we all are getting a bit impatient but all we can do is wait and see. Most likely William will be married before him becomes Prince Of Wales and do believe that Kate will become the next Princess of wales.
My best guess is that they talk these things through and come to their own decisions on where things are heading. Some think there’s a lack of communication between them but I don’t think they could have come this far without talking about their future. Hopefully we will learn something new by next year.
I think these recent pictures got our dander up a bit and took us back to reality.
November 1st, 2009 18:02
Hi TeaTea,
Kate is wearing her ring and you can see it here:
http://tinyurl.com/yk9to3e
It’s on her right hand.
November 1st, 2009 18:10
I really think this is a waiting game.
No one knows for sure what is going on between KM and PW. We will not know for sure until PW decides it is time to let us know.
We will just have to wait until that time!
November 1st, 2009 18:14
I have read alot about this ring that Wills supposedly gave to Kate. Since neither kate or William have ever spoken publically about their relationship,where did this information on this ring come from?
November 1st, 2009 18:32
Lisa somehow the press found out that William gave her that ring back in 05. Here is a Hello artical that mentions the ring.
http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2007/04/16/kate-middleton/
All I know that she has worn that ring faithfully all these years.
November 1st, 2009 18:34
Or 04, I really don’t know when he gave her that ring.
November 1st, 2009 18:41
Lisa I just don’t beleive that someone in Kate’s position is in control of the situation.
I think this is about William’s decision. Unless she has said that she doesn’t want to marry yet. But by all indications her life is completely rearranged around William. So if you are rearraging your life around someone because there is no other choice you are in effect handing over “power’ to them to make the decision to take you on full time or not.
William has said to a close friend that Kate was the first girl willing to be Queen and all that entailed compared to many others who have said no. She is someone who he must care about to have around. And she too of him.
But i do think there is a sneaky selfish side to William. ONe that we dont’ know that much about and one that includes other women friends and possibly more, ones that he confides in more than he does to Kate. Or so has been reported
My feeling is that William is not ready, that Kate is ready when he is and will not force the issue with him. She strikes me as someone who is a bit naive and easily led, first by her mother and by William too.
Again I don’t know these two so yes i could be wrong but i have a feeling he is in control and that is the WHOLE problem, she should probably be in control because he hedges forward two steps and back 50.
She may have in an attempt to get him to see she wasnt’ forcing him into a corner said nothing to him about his behaviour, his stubborness is legendary and she probably knwos to get him to do something you can’t push.
Time will tell but it is worrisome that she didnt’ have any security detail nor anyone to meet her at the airport. And who called the paps? Who is the one selling her out?
Jayhawk if it is meantto be it is meant to be, but to hold out for someone who won’t commit t you in public and is much nicer with just about everyone is not nice, he needs to buck up, her putting pressure on him won’t make him do that, he needs to grow up quite frankly.
November 1st, 2009 18:52
I researched that issue a little while ago. The first mention of the “friendship ring” was from one of the tabs who got it from “sources close to the royal couple”. In other words, just as likely made up out of whole cloth as not.
November 1st, 2009 19:13
Rman, for years there was a major campaign underway to introduce Camilla to the public–and with very good reason as we all know. That entire situation was unprecedented. IMO, there’s no need to test the waters with a “regular” girlfriend who does not come with the history/baggage that Camilla did.
Britt, it would be nice to think that if the paps got a nice picture they would go away, but I don’t think it’s that easy. If you recall Diana’s Panorama interview, she mentioned that the situation had been tolerable at one time–until it became a game to get her to give them an even “better” picture that would make more money. They would taunt her and call her names to get her to breakdown, etc. That’s why Diana started to hide her face. No wonder…
November 1st, 2009 19:22
Thanks for the info on the ring. The situation is at best,complicated. Diana ( don’t get me wrong, I loved Diana and cried like a baby when she died.) nearly brought the Monarchy to it’s knees both in life and after she died. I think the family are very weary of a girl who can generate the kind os press attention that Diana did. Lets call a spade a spade here, Kate is, in the eyes of the tabs and the paps, Diana 2.0. She is years and years of stories and pictures if she sticks around. Wills knows this and HM knows this. It is very complicated and they cannot afford a mistake.
November 1st, 2009 19:46
Lisa, Rman, Clover, and other monarchy researchers
Is there any confirmation, other than this tabloid source, of KMs actual itinerary? How do we know she was actually in Scotland? Any pictures of her there? While it is logical, I would like more empirical confirmation.
PW = pfffff!
November 1st, 2009 19:52
Nope, I think the tab just did what I did and looked at the BA arrival schedule for the morning and put two and two together. One flight in from Aberdeen that morning. You never know,they could have a source at BA or Heathrow,though. I think she may very well have been coming from Scotland but the rest of the story was pure fiction.
November 1st, 2009 19:59
really? no one is really selling Kate out, the paps is always at the airport and looking for celebrities. Kate just happened to be there and they caught Kate. Heathrow Airport is a heavenly place for the paps.
In reality that’s how it is, your royal relationship is arranged around the princes schedule. Diana’s pregnancies was arranged around Charles polo schedule. It sounds crazy but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles.
We just have to see how things will play out. I just think Kate has been through too much as his girlfriend. Your love for someone has to be deep in order to go through all of this. The part I don’t like is that the media has painted her mother in a very bad light. I don’t think her mother forced her to establish a relationship with a prince (like soo many think) but probably think the whole situation is very daughting. Carole most likey tells her daughter to stay strong and lead from the heart.
November 1st, 2009 20:07
Lisa, I’m sorry but I don’t agree that it was Diana who almost brought down the monarchy. From the beginning, her husband and in-laws were jealous of the attention she got. He dealt with it by finding sympathy elsewhere and her in-laws resented her. That had to be a very isolating situation for her. I think she wanted nothing more than to have a happy marriage and to be loved and appreciated. However, when she realized she couldn’t please any of them, no matter what she did, I think she started using the press to her advantage–both to make a point AND to highlight her causes and do the best she could in spite of them. Many of us know all too well what in-law issues are like on a small scale, well, imagine THAT scenario. Yikes!!!
If you look at how some of the European royals have welcomed their daughters-in-law, it’s like day and night. I don’t think they see it as a competition–I believe they see the bigger picture.
I hope Kate’s situation will be different. I really do. Assuming lessons have been learned…….
November 1st, 2009 20:13
Diana and Charles marriage was pretty much a mess from the start but it is a mess that the RF created and then did not know how to handle it. I don’t think they ever dreamed that “shy Di” would have such a worldwide impact or that she would challenge Charles’ adultry the way she did. They just did not know how to deal with the situation and did everything wrong,which is what I meant by her nearly bringing them down.
November 1st, 2009 20:14
Sojourner,
Thank you! I take great pride in being called a “Monarchy Researcher” – Thanks again.
I read the article by Marco Giannangeli where the Birkhall rumor started. He wrote,
“She had just returned from Birkhall, the Prince of Wales’s Scottish residence, where she had spent a romantic couple of days with Prince William but whether it was a sad parting or a happy return had to remain a mystery as she chose to screen herself in true Princess Diana style.”
No source is cited. Marco treats the Birkhall trip as fact. I need more evidence.
I think we should entertain the possibility that Kate may not have been at Birkhall at all – we have so little to go on in this case. Pictures of PW and KM at Birkhall would help!
November 1st, 2009 20:17
Lisa, I’m sorry that I misunderstood. Agreed…
November 1st, 2009 20:37
No worries.
November 1st, 2009 21:07
Just to throw a couple of thoughts into this conversation. I seem to remember that I heard that PW would be a victim of the privatizing of his pilot training. Second, wasn’t it reported earlier this year that Queen Elizabeth said that if they wanted to marry this year it would have to be a budget affair because of the economy.
Third: It seems like I remember a couple of years ago that it was reported that Kate didnot want to marry until she was ready to have children. Did I dream all this.
November 1st, 2009 21:36
Hello Grandma828,
There has been over 2,000 things said about this couple over the years and only God knows if it’s true or not. W&K really do keep their relationship very private so the press is left to guess a lot.
I just hope that by 2010 we will learn something new and we will have something new to talk about for a change.
November 1st, 2009 21:56
Apparently,it’s now official…William to visit Australia and New Zealand..
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26293228-5013871,00.html
November 1st, 2009 22:02
LOL, you beat me to it Lisa. I do wonder if there is something being planned so Kate can go along with William on this trip. That would be great. Got my fingers crossed. You just never know.
November 1st, 2009 22:10
Not getting my hopes up on that one my friend. It seems like they are trying to establish William at this point. Kate tagging along would be a distraction,IMO. Good to see William getting to do some serious royal duties.
November 1st, 2009 22:46
True Lisa but you may never know what the plans are. It would be the best thing for SJP to do, establish William & Kate has a couple. I still think all the plans for next year as yet to be revealed and she may be part of it.
Just hoping for a good change next year.
November 1st, 2009 23:06
i think that kate and William did not deserve this kind of treatment of paparazi
November 1st, 2009 23:45
I find it kind of surprising that KM was by herself. Why would she travel back home by herself?
Honestly, I find it kind of boring KM’s life. Getting attention from PW once in a while and just waiting for PW to finish his training and pop the question so that she will get a higher status within his life.
Probably the only reason why she has been patient and persistent is because william is not a regular guy. He must be someone definetely worth of waiting.
I am pretty sure that any girl waiting for an ordinary, common guy would not wait for her boyfriend to pop the question as long as KM has waited.
So keep it up, KM, you have waited long enough like not to receive something in exchange. YOu deserve to get a proposal in exchange for your patience and loyalty to the RF.
November 2nd, 2009 00:01
Yeah she has waited for a very longtime. I’m sure something is coming up soon though.
November 2nd, 2009 03:28
Hello,
I suddenly remembered an earlier occasion when KM travelled back from Aberdeen on her own. She and PW, PC ,Camilla and several other members of the RF together with others had met up . Unnounced and unexpectedly KM travelled back to London and made immediately for her parents home.`
Speculation of the big day was rife at that time and we endured a few month of unhappy doubt when news dryed up and KM travelled to the Caribbean and PW flung himself about with HB ,CH and an unknown,unnamed American who made two very rapid visits to UK in a matter of days.
There was no news but much speculation but eventually all was well many months later. Remember ?
Or perhaps this time KM was getting home in a hurry to avoid flood waters or she may have attended a wedding alone since criticism of PW’s reluctance to attend both his family weddings and even those of old friends. Who knows?
No news is not always good news and leads to speculation. Surely it’s time for enlightenment not cloudy uncertainty.
November 2nd, 2009 05:44
I agree, Lisa. If Kate were to accompany William on this tour of Australia, it would be a HUGE distraction. Suddenly, the trip would be all about them as a couple and the “will they/won’t they” speculation would eclipse everything else. I can’t see the RF setting themselves up for that one. Lol.
I realize there will be a lot of interest in her if/when she goes as his wife, but at least that would be seen as a formal acceptance of her as a member of the RF and everyone will know they are there to do a job–and not just as a “meet my pretty g/f” sort of thing.
Also, I do not see anything wrong with Kate arriving alone at Heathrow. I assume William was unable to return to London; they both have their own lives/obligations.
November 2nd, 2009 09:02
Good Morning All,
Guys I was just thinking about what next year will bring and that’s why I said you may never know what these people have up their sleeve. If there was an announcement this year then it would be possible for Kate to go on this trip, that’s all I’m saying. Would it have been a distraction? No, because you will have the future King & Queen traveling to their realm and meeting their people. Will the media focus on them? Yes, they can’t run away from that.
All I’m saying is that I hope to see some good changes next year because this year was totally boring.
Ked my guess is that the couple just met up to spend some alone time together at Birkhall, she returned hom and he went back to his training. I really don’t think it was a total dramatic trip. William & Kate have to work extra hard to keep things together since their schedules are crazy. That tells me that their love for each other is very strong and they do whatever it takes to make their relationship work.
November 2nd, 2009 09:09
Here is the DM’s artical about William’s trip to New Zealand.
http://tinyurl.com/yjxuw5d
November 2nd, 2009 09:12
With talk about S & R being privatised, surely this now PW will attend more to royal duties.
Also, given that it is now official. PW will attend Aus/NZ & the he may attend the World Cup draw also, it cuts down the chances of an engagement announcement after Christmas or early next year.
My reasons for this belief is because although PW has undertaken some foreign visits, he has yet to undertake a full foreign tour and the Aust/NZ one sounds like the full Monty. As a future King, I suspect the palace would want as much press coverage for this as possible.
Also, do not forget next year in England is an election year.
November 2nd, 2009 09:27
Well Hale we really don’t know what’s coming around the corner for these two next year but I’m just hoping for some good changes to come about. In my opinion next year they should make the announcement. I don’t know about you all but I’m starting to wonder how long can this girl go on this way?
November 2nd, 2009 09:29
I think that not announcing an engagement before Christmas and not having kate going along is a mistake. I think the hype and star power these two could achieve together is going to be lost. It could be the difference between Australia becoming a republic after the Queen goes or them wanting to stay with the status quo… Just my opinion…
November 2nd, 2009 09:36
Well we just have to wait and see what will happen.
November 2nd, 2009 10:16
Here is the Sun artical on the official tours.
http://tinyurl.com/yc5khwd
November 2nd, 2009 10:29
if they were close to an annoucement she wouldn’t be travelling on her own to heathrow where there are apparently photographers on retainer. If posters know that photograhers lie there in wait then obviously Kate and William do to. Which would mean lack of planning on both of their parts in this case.
I am led to believe what Ked is saying, that this was a visit, not at all happy for Kate, if it was about the future in a permanent way she would be protected. And she is not.
Surely as the future possible Queen she should be given some more help than leaving her to the wolves.
The only explanation is that William doesn’t want to make that kind of public committment for fear of being hemmed into something he isnt’ quite sure he is i ready for yet. No i am not saying Kate, I am saying a life filled with responsiblity professionally and personally.
The bottom line is he is not a regular guy and as such needs to act in a special way, a way that honours the fact that his mother was left to the wolves and so he shouldn’t leave kate to the wolves.
I am inclined to think that given the SandR annoucement and the outing of his want not to be doing full time duties till he is 30 in the Daily Mail that he is coming up with a game plan to bridge that time period of SandR and age 30. (or later if he can push it)
I am of the mind that William will try to evade responsiblity for as long as he has too. What he doesn’t realize is he is comprimising his image and that of his possible future wife’s
Shooting himself in the foot. Thinking of the now rather than the future.
I am inclined to think that for kate’s sake she is better off with him on these tours than with the army. Less partying more work and time to be missing home and her. Rather than forgetting her and partying with his buddies.
November 2nd, 2009 12:10
Well again we just have to wait and see what will next year bring. Just because the girl was covering her face does not mean that something bad went down at Birkhall. From what I can tell in these crazy pictures is that she just didn’t like them to be all up in her face and she probably was trying to concentrate on where she was going. Those lights can be very blinding you know.
Most likely Kate will not receive any protection until she is officially engaged so even if an announcement is scheduled to come out next year, she still will not any protection to help her get through the airport until the news comes.
I do think they may have talked about next year because we just got pictures of her arriving back to London from Birkhall and then later his official tour news came out. So she knows what’s going down before we do.
I’m still hoping folks even when things may appear shaky, I’m still holding on to hope. I think that’s what we all need to do.
Talk to you guys later.
November 2nd, 2009 12:30
Rman, IF they’re engaged, it would be a totally different story and might be a good time to introduce her to the people of Australia, yes. (I thought you meant she should accompany him as a g/f and that’s what I was responding to.) However, Charles did go alone when he was engaged to Diana and if they’re trying to establish William as a f/t royal, well, I don’t know if they would go that route… As you say, we’ll have to wait and see.
JJ also makes an excellent point about the star power these two could generate–exactly what Charles had with Diana. No PR machine needed in those days. Lol. Hopefully, William will feel proud and not resentful…
November 2nd, 2009 13:05
First of all – no one knows where KM was coming from exactly. Also, why do people have to speculate her mood or “we don’t know if this was a happy trip” – no one knows for sure if she was even w/PW. About KM covering her face – I am sorry ((I am a total KM fan) but I think that just draws more attention. If I were her – I would buy a huge pair of black sunglasses and do the Jacki O thing and just be on my way.
November 2nd, 2009 13:25
One thing for sure is that Kate wasn’t happy to see paparazzi at the airport.
November 2nd, 2009 14:24
jj,it’s my opinion that the star power and hype you speak of is exactly why no announcement will be made prior to this trip and why Kate will not go along. I think they want William to forge his own road first before including a partner. With the trip ending in late jan,there is still time for a wedding announcement after that but I highly doubt anything before.
We do all need to relax. I believe the couple is fine. All this twisting about these shot at the airport has truly gone over the top. The posters at another site actually have fantasized about them breaking up at Birkhall(if she was even there,lol) and Kate being sent on her way alone to London. LOL. Sounds like a paragraph from a bad romance novel.
November 2nd, 2009 14:29
Or a not so bad romance novel. Try “Northanger Abbey”, at least for the part where she is sent on her way alone.
November 2nd, 2009 14:38
Kate is a 27 year old adult woman who is more then capable of navigating an airport by herself. Honestly. No one knows really where she was. Heathrow is a huge airport. She could have been anywhere. Just as I guessed at the flight coming from Aberdeen,the tab probably did as well. There really is no story here. Honest. LOL.
November 2nd, 2009 15:57
of course Kate is capable since all she ever does is go on vacation, lolsss!!!
November 2nd, 2009 16:17
Who cares? She is rich and has a rich boyfriend and they enjoy traveling together. Big whoop. Unless the taxpayers are footing the bill,it is really none of anyone’s business what Kate or William do in their private time.
November 2nd, 2009 17:49
What you all have to remember is that William as yet has not been established in the eyes of the public. Yes, yes he is a future King, but he has yet to complete a tour where he is likely to encounter huge media glare and where he alone is the focus of attention.
How can he ever support Kate on these tours when he as yet has not experienced them. With respect, to date William has been sheltered and is yet to face the wolves.
Also take note of the timing of this tour, it is to be in January. I suspect that timing is deliberate. On the one hand the courtiers want to promote William, but on the other hand they are only too aware that a general election must be called at the latest end of May, early June.
There shall be no announcements before then.
Meanwhile, I’ve noticed that speculation has started here and over at RIF about the state of W & K’s relationship. If you recall my posts, I did say back in early October that this is the time when many withdraw to the countryside and do not resurface until Spring next year.
As to this silly photograph at the airport. I am aware that Heathrow and Gatwick does have a freelance photographer at both airports with the sole purpose of trying to pap celebs.
Given that K was not with W, therefore the pap was intruding on her privacy. I’m surprised the Express published the pic. I believe they crossed a line.
Also we only have the Express’ word that K was at Birkhall. Well in fact she could have been returning from anywhere. Although I confess, I suspect that Kate was indeed at Birkhall.
PS. If I had the money, I too would be jetting off on holiday ALL the time. As Lisa quite rightly pointed out the tax payer is not footing the bill.
November 2nd, 2009 18:06
“the star power these two could generate”
lisa i read your comments and i hear alot of sense in them and of course rman calming us all down : )
But i think of the fact that William has for all intents and purposes sought to evade that very thing at all costs.
So the real question may not be the state of anyone’s relationship but of his willingness to figure out how he can minimize the pandemonium that will transpire to a level he is comfortable with.
He can manipulate the media, that much he learnt from Diana. But it remains to be seen if he can be less obvious in his intentions to do so.
As to the state of the relationship you are right Hale we dont’ know from photos.
But as Ked pointed out no protection equals no formalization and without any formalization everything is open to interpretation. With interpretation will come both sides, ugly, bad and indifferent or even good like here!
So where is Kate in all of this, reputation in taters and no staff to help her, indeed her mother said they didn’t employ staff people.
November 2nd, 2009 18:25
really? kate is a grown woman who is free to exit the relationship if she so desires. She chooses not to so the assumption is fine with the situation. Because the details are not available to us, we just have to accept that she knows what she is doing and wait and see when and how this all plays out. I think Kate knows the importance of establishing William on the royal scene before the two of them emerge as a public couple.
November 2nd, 2009 18:38
Lisa and Hale, I couldn’t agree more. What Kate does with her money is her business. I’d worry more about people who abuse the system–THAT we all pay for–not Kate’s trip to Birkhall or any other destination. And why is a woman traveling alone in 2009 a big deal anyway?
It’s also important to put things in perspective—not every trip she (they) makes is a “vacation.” Just because the royals have several homes at their disposal doesn’t mean that every getaway a vacation.
And I too think it’s highly unlikely that an announcement would be made before William’s trip in January. But it IS possible that this trip will allow the palace machine to do it’s magic behind the scenes while we’re busy discussing the upcoming tour.
November 2nd, 2009 19:06
I just read over the RIF site, that a poster receive a message from Amazon saying that the book will be released in March 2011.
If you recall that is the year which I have been saying is the most likely?
November 2nd, 2009 19:26
….And that just happens to be AFTER William’s tour of Australia. Hmmmmmm…….
November 2nd, 2009 19:27
Hale…I just realized…2011 or 2010???
November 2nd, 2009 19:33
annoucement in March and the book comes out maybe?
Is it possible that both William and Kate know when they are getting married but neither are telling anyone. And that these arbitrary dates are set by adminstation of the palace?
November 2nd, 2009 19:39
Good Night All,
Hale we heard about the Robin Nunn Book. I came to a conclusion that Robin Nunn is just guessing with the date just like the media. I don’t think Nunn knows when the wedding will take place but most likely listening to what the media is saying.
Folks we just have to wait and see what will happen and I’m hoping that William & Kate will let us know something by next year.
It seems like William’s tour in Jan will be very short, just three days. I also read somewhere that when he gets back from the tour he will have six weeks off. I look forward to learning more about this tour when the time arrives and I’m also looking forward to seeing what else the royal team have up their sleeve.
November 2nd, 2009 19:49
Hale don’t pay much attenion to what they are saying on that site. I have never seen a group of people who wishes this couple soo much unhappiness. They try their best to make it seem like William & Kate relationship is damned to eternity.
November 2nd, 2009 20:15
I found the article in the Sun by DL to be very telling. The writing is on the wall as far as William’s stint in the RAF,IMO. This time next year I have a feeling he will no longer be in the RAF. Honestly I never thought he would be able to carry out that commitment in the first place. It was pretty unrealistic considering his position in the RF. Now I think the ball may be beginning to finally roll…
November 2nd, 2009 21:13
Here are some pictures of Charles & Camilla’s visit to Canada.
http://tinyurl.com/6×3dpu
http://tinyurl.com/yj3ysyf
November 2nd, 2009 21:25
Thanks for the link,Rman…
Would the term “Duchess of Frump” be disrespectful,lol?
November 2nd, 2009 21:26
given charles was in westminster for an event on the 29th – thursday and flew last night to canada. how on earth was he at birkhall on the 30th 31st and then sunday the 1st I really don’t think they would hightail it up to scotland just to have a visit would he?????
i agree Lisa
Ked has been asking the questions for months and has been right in pointing out that SandR might not have been realistic. How he backs out of this gracefully I don’t know, he made a commitment and then it just fell by the wayside long before the annoucement about helicopters being retired or less of them being used.
November 2nd, 2009 21:36
Prince William already has a January 2010 visit planned, then there is the 2012 Olympics. I just don’t get the feeling a wedding is going to be wedged in between this time. It’s starting to appear that what we are about to see for a few years is Prince William on the world stage as a solo entity.
Also Kate is certainly not behaving as a lady who knows her entree’ into Royal wifedom is around the corner and the fact that she still has no security detail is telling. Maybe it’s time both put new dance cards out.
If William doesn’t intend to marry in the next few years, maybe its time to end this circus with the Middleton’s, from Uncle Gary’s Ibizia drug discussing video sting, to Kate at airports unprotected and obviously annoyed.
Someone needs to either wave the surrender flag or introduce her to the world as a official fiancee, this is getting so sad at this point. The airport photos are absolutely sad, that is not a young woman preparing for her wedding gown at this juncture.
November 2nd, 2009 22:04
justin,Kate Middleton is not sad. What is sad is these aggressive paps who feed off the privacy of celebrities and others like Kate. There is clearly some sort of press ban going on yet these guys won’t even let the girl walk through an airport without stalking her with a camera. Really,what is the value of such pictures? It’s rude, intrusive and an invasion of privacy and if I were Kate,I’d be pissed too and try to do whatever I could so the dud did not make much on the shots. Job well done,Kate!
November 2nd, 2009 22:45
What is sad at this point is it’s obvious she has no Royal Protection. Last year I viewed photos of Kate and her mother in a airport and before that the family in a airport, so the press ban can not be true. I feel someone has made that up somewhere, it just is not making sense, there are too many photos of her out there in airports.
It reminds me of those stories for years that she has Royal protection and it is so obvious from these photos that she does not.
Kate has no Royal protection is the truer story here and that is telling something to those not betting on fairytales.
November 2nd, 2009 22:48
I agree Lisa.
Justin we really don’t know what the plans are for 2010. We know he will be going on an official trip next year for three days but we don’t know what else is being planned. I do agree that something has to give here but I don’t think we should be so fast to throw in the towel just yet.
The airport pictures are sad because the paps just don’t know how to back off. They could have taken their pictures several feet away from her but they got too close to her. She has every right to get upset about that. I think Arthur Edwards did mention before that these srteet paps are treating this girl very wrong. So yeah I think something has to give here.
Things are so much better when she is with William.
November 2nd, 2009 22:52
Justin once that official engagement is announced, Kate will be assigned a royal protection officer. Diana went through the samething but Kate is just going through it longer.
November 2nd, 2009 22:53
Kate is a private citizen. She is not entitled to royal protection. She is protected when she is with William but if she needs protection when she is alone,someone else must pay for it.
In regards to the press ban..the paps can take all the pictures they want, you can’t stop them,there are too many of them. What we are not seeing is these pictures plastered all over the papers. That is where the ban comes in.
There is no fairytale here. The couple is carrying on as normal a relationship as they can under the circumstances. Now they finally have the press in check as well.
November 3rd, 2009 00:17
Lisa
I agree on the one hand that she is a private citizen and she isn’t entitled to royal protection however Justin raises some points.. Something needs to give this has IMO been going on far too long. She shouldn’t have to still go through all of this nonsense. I remember an article written at least a year ago when one of William’s security guards had expressed that they were worried in case something went wrong when they were not protecting her. I just hate that this whole thing is dragging on so long. I know they are on their own timetable but I feel as if their is so much potential for these two and the opportunity maybe missed.
I admit I am hopeful for this couple but I really don’t know which way this saga is going to turn out..
November 3rd, 2009 00:36
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/6486615/Prince-William-to-represent–the-Queen-on-tour-of-Australia-and-New-Zealand.html
pw is expected to visit Australia
update
November 3rd, 2009 00:42
I agree JJ. Like I said before, I just don’t know how long all of this can go on. I’m remaining hopeful that a change is on the way.
November 3rd, 2009 04:56
Lisa, thanks for the giggle regarding that title. If the shoe (or boot!) fits, eh?
It’s correct that Diana never had police protection until she was engaged to Charles–nor did any of the other royal girlfriends. There’s nothing new here; it’s just that there’s a lot of interest in William and his g/f because of his position and this courtship is longer than many of us would like. Me included!
Also, the press is desperate for a young, photogenic princess. (Which sort of brings me back to my opening statement. LOL!!)
November 3rd, 2009 07:51
Hale, Lisa, and Really?
All of your posts are very good!
I do think that it is critical for PW to find his way as a royal before he settles down as a husband and father.
The demands of family life may make it hard for PW build or create the style of leadership he will definately need to continue traditions set by his grandmother. PW is still very young in the whole business of becoming a King – he needs time and space and NO PRESSURE.
When PW feels he can handle family life, then I am sure we will hear of an official engagment annoucement from the CH or SJP.
Until then it is so hard to speculate about what is going on behind the scenes.
November 3rd, 2009 09:21
Katherine
Diana also only dated Charles for a couple of months as you know not a couple of years so there is a big difference there. Clover I hear your points but William doesn’t have a lot of time, the Queen is getting older and so is Charles and indeed himself. She will as we know eventually pass and then the pressure really begins. He will IMO always be under pressure for something or another that is part of being Royal. If anything happens and Charles preceds the Queen in death (sorry to be morbid) then he will really be under the gun… This is all hypothetical but at some point he will need to face up to his destiny. Ked has been saying this for a while..
November 3rd, 2009 09:55
Kate is a private citizen. She is not entitled to royal protection. She is protected when she is with William but if she needs protection when she is alone,someone else must pay for it.
no she isn’t entitled to it but there are ways around it that avoid this kind of thing/ William personally paying for protection or her parents.
The point is that while we can say that she doesn’t have the right to it it doesn’t mean that there isn’t a way around it without tax payer money. So if the answer to Kate’s protection is not to have a marriage or to break up then what is it, just wait in this state and hope to god someone who is on a forum or reading paper doesn’t lie in wait for her and doing something terrible. That would be the catalyst for change on the part of those responsible, Both William and Kate in their relationship are responsible to themselves and each other. |That includes making sure that if your lifestyle (as a prince) impinges on the others ( a private citizen) you do somethin about it. Ok so marriage or break up isnt’ right then do something about it don’t wait for the worst to happen, and it will when we least expect if if they aren’t more careful. This is possibly the future Queen of england …. lets stop thinking about today and look critically at the whole picture past present and future >>>>>
November 3rd, 2009 10:08
really? Fundamentally I agree with your thoughts. I know there are some people out there who feel Kate is currently receiving some sort of protection and maybe she is but it is less obvious then a bodyguard trailing her every move which would raise eyebrows to say the least. It is also possible that Kate does not want the protection.
November 3rd, 2009 14:24
it is a big mistake if she has said that. big mistake. yes i agree that they would be trailing her in some other capacity afterall M15 must be trailing PW all the time.
November 3rd, 2009 17:46
JJ,
Maybe because PW doesn’t have “a lot of time” he needs to use what time he does have to do things that serve him the best.
If he wants to get married then he should do so, if he wants to wait and attend to royal duties, then he should do so.
I think we need to trust PW’s decision to do what he feels is best for him. Obviously, he is not ready to marry right now and so has not married or announced an engagement for that matter.
I am sure he will marry when he is ready to marry, despite all the pressure put on him by us!
November 3rd, 2009 18:04
Really? (comment 110)…I agree with much of what you say. I also worry about certain people wishing her harm. But she’s truly in a no-win situation… If William paid for her protection out of his own pocket, there would still be cries of foul and no one would believe it was his own money. If her parents paid for it, they’d be crucified for being too grand and for acting like Kate is a real princess. She may not have “official” 24/7 police protection, but I do believe her whereabouts are monitored and she is on “someone’s” radar wherever she goes.
jj… I realize this situation is different from Diana’s, but it is what it is. Look back at Sophie and Edward; they dated for several years and she did not have police protection.
The best/only thing for Kate to do is to grin and bear it, keep her head down, and get on with it. Essentially, that’s what she’s been doing all along.
November 3rd, 2009 18:36
Good Evening,
Clover you may be right, but one of the big mistakes I have seen some of my friends make with their girlfriends is that their decisions was only being based on their own needs and not the needs of their partners. When you are in a long term relationship with someone everything cannot be just about you but it’s about (US) you and your girlfriend.
William has a lot of tough choices to make but now it’s getting to the point where he has to make choice about Kate. I hear a lot about his needs but what about her needs?
Katharine is right, Kate is in a no-win situation and she’s been in that same position for far too long. It’s time to start thinking about her now…before it’s too late. It could happen.
I hope that by next year some of this stuff will come to a full-circle.
November 3rd, 2009 20:15
Rman
just catching up on your posts. I was lucky enough to meet Charlene & Prince Albert two weeks ago while they were in Sam Diego. I think as Lisa said the British Royal Family are caught up in a time which is long since past when it comes to relationships & how they conduct them in the public eye. However PA is a lot older than William & I suspect a lot more stubborn & prone to the my way or the high way type behavior.
Charlene did however have to follow him around all day often a few steps behind him. Similar to a lot of reports about Kate she didn’t talk much to strangers i.e. Us. It’s clear that she has had to give up her life to follow Prince Albert around who has a far worse reputation than William ever has had & she could loose it all if he simply changes his mind & decides to replace her. There are no signs marriage although they get along exceptionally well. Still as arman said I do wish that things would move along & that the BRF would stop being so uptight & get with the times.
I hope William does not end ip loosing her….
November 3rd, 2009 20:31
Rman,
I understand what you are saying about thinking in terms of “us” rather then “me.”
I do feel that PW leaves Kate in an ackward position and her position will only become more and more difficult the longer they remain exactly as they are — with no engagement/marriage.
JJ,
Interesting observations about Charlene and Albert. Charlene has a lot to lose as well if Albert doesn’t make her situation official.
November 3rd, 2009 20:59
The last thing to note about Charlene and Prince Albert was that there wasn’t anyone who I observed who was around her age in his delegation. They were all way older than she was that must get boring and tiresome but she seems to be happy enough..
November 3rd, 2009 21:34
Hi Clover & JJ,
That whole Albert & Charlene is another interesting situation.
I do want to make it clear that I know how important it is to take care of your own needs. We can easily fall into the trap of only thinking about ourselves but when you are in a long-term relationship you have to think about your partner too. Now maybe I’m wrong here, maybe William is thinking about her and working on taking things to the next level but I just feel the longer things go on this way, the worst things can get.
I don’t doubt the love they have for each other but I think I’m going to join the rest of the Royal Correspondents and say, “get on with it William”.
November 3rd, 2009 22:09
JJ,
As a teenager living in Spain during the 1990s, I remember hearing all kinds of curious stories about Prince Albert’s visits to the various resorts. None of those stories lead me to believe he will marry the lovely CC.
And about PW, once again: PFFFFTT!!!
November 3rd, 2009 23:10
He visited the playboy mansion while he was over here too so it doesn’t look as if he is looking to settle down any time soon… There have been lots of stories about Prince Albert… but then again there have been rumors about William too and I don’t believe any of them….
Rman word…
For anyone who is interested there were lots of photos of Charlene and PA on the day..
http://gallery.me.com/robertross3#101009
November 4th, 2009 01:09
Evening all, JJ what do you mean bythere have been rumors about William too? What kind of rumors?
November 4th, 2009 02:40
JJ, thanks for the link. He looks like an old man. And he got none of his parents’ looks. His mother’s coloring, but that’s about it. Poor thing.
November 4th, 2009 04:31
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224994/Chilly-reception-Charles-Camila-notably-crowd-greets-Canada-tour.html
update
November 4th, 2009 05:02
jj, I feel funny even asking this, but was there an official reason for the visit to the playboy mansion? It seems an odd choice for someone in his position.
Guest, I agree with your observation…
November 4th, 2009 07:27
uh oh PETA is not happy with the Duchess!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224994/Chilly-reception-Charles-Camila-notably-crowd-greets-Canada-tour.html
November 4th, 2009 08:25
Hello,
Whilst reading through earlier posts I followed a lik which made a comment which must have enraged PW’s staff of grey suits. It was along the lines “although PW would be very welcome. everyone was hoping to see the main attraction, his attractive girlfriend KM.”
How galling that must have been for them having spent eighteen to twenty four months on building up PW and attemping to denigrate KM to a mere adjunct to the main event. In as many words they are saying that without KM, he is slightly colourless and boring. It is simply a reincatnation of the Charles/Diana effect and the question is will it be a detriment to the relationship. Charles was well aware of PD’s popularity and even commented after church at Sandringham that ‘ I may just not bother, it’s her they all want to see.’
Another mistake I believe was to announce that the trip to New Zealand was an official visit but the Australian trip was a private matter and at PW’s request. Under those circumstances why did they not arrange for KM to met up with him there.
The perfect reason had already been announced in that PW would be taking additional leave after the Australian visit so it would be perfectly natural for KM to meet up with him there. Or has PW other ‘ matters’ to attend to in Austrtalia?? There again perhaps KM may well be arrangingi to meet up him. Who knows?
If she isn’t invited then will it be a clear message to KM as to how far down PW’s list of priorities she is and I am not sure how partners or girlfriends react to such snubs.
Perhaps last week’s meeting wasn’t a very happy one if the arrangement were released and KM suddenly realised that yet agin she was on the outside looking in.
Eventually there is going to be so much ‘baggage’ within this relationship either real, imagined or made up to make normal contact almost impossible both to the couple in particular and to the world in general.
I do feel that whatever PW thinks of the entire charade or how much he is personally responsible for the pottage , his advisors, both old and new regime, need advise on public relations or perhaps it’s all part of the game to realise the end result “they” have been aiming for or instructed from on high to obtain. I say again. Who know?
November 4th, 2009 08:39
ked,I tend to think the powers that be will want William to complete this trip solo, we won’t know for sure if Kate will meet up with William down under and make it a holiday until jan.
I think William’s advisors are smart enough to know that William has a longtime partner who,thanks to the media,has a somewhat high profile and therefore it is natural for the public to be curious about her.
Also, this trip,as we know by William’s little slip awhile back,has been planned for quite some time so I am sure Kate was well aware of it. No worries there.
November 4th, 2009 08:48
I think if Kate joins PW on any tour it will be a significant show of commitment. PW will have to be ready to move forward with Kate after that.
November 4th, 2009 09:15
I personally dont’ think KM should be w/PW on the official trip to Australia. She is not a princess yet. I think it would be great if she met up w/him after for a nice holiday.
As for PW & KM turning into the Charles & Diana of there time w/PW jealous of the attention towards KM, maybe (& I love PW) he should work on his personality a little more. He seems aggitated a lot in public. People dont’ want that – they want fun, happy and spontanious. Think back to Charles & Diana – Charles was such a stick in the mud, so of course poeple are going to want to see the young beautiful happy Diana.
November 4th, 2009 09:41
Ked, I agree, PW invited himself to Australia and recently 24-48 hours ago we got to know that it will be a 3 day visit and then he will have 6 weeks off! That’s a lot of free time.
Can’t wait for further developments!
November 4th, 2009 09:42
kd I agree BUT William is a lot more attractive than Charles ever was. I think that William and Kate together could create a huge amount of interest. People want to see William and people want to see Kate so together they would be very popular. I highly doubt that Kate will be anywhere near Australia. It’s a three day visit not weeks on end and they should be able to make it through that amount of time without each other…
November 4th, 2009 09:45
Well,Me, those six weeks off are surely a wide open window for an announcement and at the exact time of year one might expect it for a summer wedding.
I am still unsure that these two are planning to marry soon or put it off as long as possible but recent developments might indicate that William’s royal role is expanding and that may lend itself to a marriage sooner rather then later.
Once more, we wait.
November 4th, 2009 09:46
Quote from the Herald Sun
The second in line to the throne will visit Melbourne and Sydney for three days from January 19-21 – at his personal request.
and from the same paper, but I’m reading the quote in Australina broadsheets, tabloids and blogs.
While Prince William is a guaranteed crowd-puller in his own right, Australian protocol sources said it was too early to say whether the visit would include the star attraction in his life – girlfriend Kate Middleton.
So yes, NZ is official and at his own request to the Government of Australia – has this leg of the trip turned official too? is my question. Perhaps because it appears in the POW site, news section? Confussed.
November 4th, 2009 09:55
Me,that was an interesting quote that I had not read yet.
November 4th, 2009 09:59
Another Australian for Constitutional Monarchy press:
“His Royal Highness will travel to Australia from New Zealand and then return to the United Kingdom.”
“Further details of the visit will be released closer to the time.”
How exciting, can’t wait for further development!
November 4th, 2009 10:03
Here’s another version:
Prince William, second in line to the British throne, will be in Auckland and Wellington from January 17 to 19 before travelling to Australia for a three-day visit to Sydney and Melbourne.
“Prince William will represent the Queen at the opening of the Supreme Court building in Wellington,” New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said in a statement, adding this was the prince’s first official visit overseas.
“Following his visit to New Zealand Prince William will pay an unofficial visit to Australia.”
Queen Elizabeth II is New Zealand and Australia’s head of state.
You see, Australia unofficial visit according to some papers.
November 4th, 2009 10:29
Katherine there was no official reason for him visiting the playboy mansion. He requested to visit the pb mansion while he was on town….
November 4th, 2009 10:48
Good Morning My Royal Peeps,
Folks I do not believe William is or will be jealous of the attention Kate gets. He knows that he have a very beautiful girl on his arms and he seem to like her to be dressed in her best when they are out on the town. He’s not bothered by the attention she gets. I think we need to stop applying the Prince & Princess of Wales’s marriage mistakes on these two. It will only leave us frustrated and confused.
The people would love to meet the beautiful woman that he seems to be soo crazy about. I think it’s time for people to meet her and get a chance to see the real Kate and not the Kate the tabloids lie about.
We really don’t know what the plans are for next year but I’m hoping that Kate is part of the plan and we will be able to see her in the plan. If not in the trip then after the trip.
Me, I am too looking forward to further developments for next year.
November 4th, 2009 11:04
Rman, YES!
Whatever comes and very curious about those 6 weeks of RAF free time (if it’s true)! and hope he uses it wisely!
November 4th, 2009 12:03
Thanks jj. All I can say regarding the visit to the playboy mansion is, “okaaaaaaaay then…”
Regarding William and Kate and potential jealousy on his part… I hope you’re correct Rman, but this too is a “wait and see” for us. She’s not his princess yet so it’s quite a different story for the focus to be on her at a polo game or when they’re out at a restaurant. It’s an altogether different scenario if they have “equal billing” and everyone wants to shake HER hand during a walkabout. IF William is mature and confident, they will be fine. Hopefully, he’ll adopt JFK’s attitude of being “the man who accompanied JACKIE to Paris”. If he is like his father, however, there will be tension and inevitable problems. I don’t wish it on them, naturally, but it’s not too much of a stretch to compare father and son given the attractive ladies in their lives (naturally, I’m speaking of Diana and Kate).
November 4th, 2009 12:37
Katharine that is true too but I just think we have to be careful and not make it seem like William & Kate’s relationship/marriage will just turn out like Charles & Diana’s. I do at times think people dwell on past royal marriages tad too much and try to apply them to future royal marriages. I think this couple will approach things a bit differently.
William & Kate are both young, good looking people and people will go crazy over the both of them. With Charles & Diana things were a bit different. Charles was the stiff prince who had a less than stiff wife, that’s why people were so attracted to her. Not just because of her beauty but she was more down to their level. William & Kate have been seen at charity events and they both split up to work the room equally and I think that’s how the couple will approach their official engagements…equally.
Although nothing official has happened yet, the whole ‘attention’ thing don’t seem to be a problem for them. Kate knows that William is the future King and she will play the supportive role.
November 4th, 2009 13:11
We will hear what happens with PW during the six-week break following the 3-day royal tour.
I am sure someone will take photos of PW out and about in Australia.
January is a few months away so there will be a wait!
November 4th, 2009 13:38
Hello,
Lisa, six weeks off plus at least 13 weeks since july !
Who has egg on face, PW or RAF ?
November 4th, 2009 13:52
Ked, both! PW for choosing to remain at a military branch that will be privatized.
So it’s a loss for Great Britain; everything is being privatized or offshore to foreign ‘owners’. And PW will he wear a private uniform?
November 4th, 2009 14:57
Neither.
November 4th, 2009 15:52
Time will tell, I think both Princes William and Harry are in crossroads in their career life.
The first has been told the RAF (SARF) division will be privatized, the later is not suited to fly the Apache and the UK doesn’t use Lynx chopper in war zones, which that was his dream and change in military B&R to AirCorps to make a war comeback!
By the way, Harry will participate in the Remembrance Day commemorations at the Cenotaph for the first time on Sunday.
November 5th, 2009 00:07
ked,I hear ya but I am going to wait until all the facts are in.
November 5th, 2009 00:13
yeah rman your true with your seminiments and im looking forwards for next years and new Development
November 5th, 2009 00:22
Can someone telle me where does come the information that pw has a six weeks leave from RAF in january? Didnt read it anywhere
November 9th, 2009 02:38
Kate is such a draw for readers that the press hounds her too much. Just look how long this thread is.
November 10th, 2009 18:59
“Kate is such a draw for readers that the press hounds her too much. Just look how long this thread is.”
Not really. It’s the same group of people spewing the same drivel on every article. There are only about 5-10 users on this comment page, but each one has posted about 20 different comments. It’s essentially one very long conversation, and they digress. Many posts aren’t even directly related to the article.