The Queen gets tough on paparazzi – Telegraph
The Queen has authorised a crackdown on the paparazzi amid her growing anger at intrusions into the private lives of members of the Royal family and their friends…

Prince William and Kate Middleton now have a wedding planner – Telegraph
Prince William and Kate Middleton scarcely appear to be in any great hurry to announce their engagement, but when they eventually do they will not need to look far for help planning the marriage ceremony…

Royal wedding bells speculation rises – TVNZ
Attempts to preserve the British royal family’s privacy have fuelled speculation Prince William is preparing to propose during traditional Christmas celebrations at Sandringham, the Queen’s estate in Norfolk…

162 Responses to "Royal Wedding Speculation"
  • Me #1 - December 8, 2009 at 9:52 am

    I believe William will be in Sandringham from December 16 onward.

    Check out the photos of HM with Lady Gaga, doesn’t both look fine.
    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/-fgVdwOchxW/Royal+Variety+Performance+Arrivals/pC5zCSUXOZ1

    Photos 8 to 12.

  • Me #2 - December 8, 2009 at 9:56 am

    She’s wearing black evening gown. There is always a first time for everthing. She looks elegant.

    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/PS9tHQsUiVm/The+Royal+Variety+Performance/enPVcxfBdoA/Queen+Elizabeth+II

  • Lisa #3 - December 8, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Hi guys,

    here is a story and video from CNN.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/08/uk.royal.photographer/

  • AJ #4 - December 8, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Aw – I’d kind of gotten my hopes up when I saw the headline “Prince William and Kate Middleton now have a Wedding Planner”. But when you read the article, it just sounds like Sophie wanted to have an old friend around her to help her out.

  • Rman #5 - December 8, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Good Evening My Royal Peeps,

    Well I’ve been trying to read up on what people think of this move by the royal family and I’m coming across of a lot of mixed feelings. Some people including some photographers think they have the right to get pictures of the royals on their private time and some think the royals have a right to privacy outside of their royal duties. I just think the royals privacy should be respected. Although I will miss seeing some pictures of them doing regular things, I think expressing their rights is what they should do.

    Lisa thanks for the link. The young royals and their longtime partners should be protected from any hounding. I think it’s better to do this now than what for something to happen. Everyone should learn from what happened to Diana.

    I like that Arthur Edwards is speaking out about this and he have shown lots of concern for the princes and their girlfriends.

  • Lisa #6 - December 8, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Rman,I personally think the paparazzi have gotten out of hand in general,not just with the royals. They are relentless in their pursuit and dangerous too. I do think HM has every right to take steps to protect her family and whether it was at the urging of Charles,William or on her own,I applaud her.

    Not everyone agrees,however.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/7807/

  • Me #7 - December 8, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    After so many years, some interesting guest (s) are in or about to be in Sandringham.

  • Lisa #8 - December 8, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Hi Me, Are you speculating? Are you suggesting Kate and co are headed to Norfolk?

    I am trying not to get to wrapped up in the speculation because we all know we have been here before only to be disappointed.

    Again I feel like I am about to be the victim of the “boy who cried wolf”,LOL.

  • Me #9 - December 8, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Speculating :lol:

  • Hale #10 - December 8, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/ygrw7b4

    http://tinyurl.com/yfj7fbu

    The above links are two vile video’s of Kate. Please take the time out to flag them.

    My reasons for reporting them are because they are hateful and abusive.

  • Lisa #11 - December 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Hale,the immature babies that post stuff like that do not amount to a pimple on the butt of life. I have learned to laugh them off because in the end their hate and fictional ramblings will not stop that announcement if it is meant to be. They can pry for a virgin (lady “Nats”) sacrifice to save the golden prince from the evil girlfriend but unless it happens in the pages of a Barbara Cartland novel,they shall likely be disappointed. In the meantime,there is little we can do to stop them from spreading their hate. If it is of any consolation,I understand that certain ISP’s are being monitored by law enforcement.

  • Me #12 - December 8, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Lisa said: I understand that certain ISP’s are being monitored by law enforcement.

    Yes.

  • Hale #13 - December 8, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Thank you Lisa,:smile: but please do flag them as the more people complain the better.

  • jj #14 - December 8, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Indeed Lisa

    I will never understand the hatred or goading or whatever you want to call their “views”. It’s highly distateful, but as my mum has always said there will always be someone unplesant in life.

  • Lisa #15 - December 8, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    I flagged them,Hale. I always find it perplexing how people use creative talent negatively. It reflects on the person’s inner peace tranquility. It’s more sad then anything. They are not hurting Kate. Honestly,at the end of the day no one of any true importance will care what these people think. I suspect that the more it looks like things are loving toward the altar,the worse it will get. I am happy to say that although I have certain celebrities and public figures I do not care for,I have never felt the need to wage a hate campaign toward them. They had better hurry up and get the crap out of their systems,though because as soon as Kate’s name is preceded by the letters “HRH” it’s whole new ballgame! ;)

  • Clover #16 - December 8, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    I am confused are you guys saying that the pictures in the video are not of Kate? It looks like Kate in each picture?

  • Jj #17 - December 8, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    No clover

    they are just talking about the negative nasty content of the videos.

  • Clover #18 - December 8, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    JJ,
    The content consists of actual pictures of Kate.
    Right? Why is Kate nasty?

  • Katharine #19 - December 8, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Lisa, I love your comment #11. ;)

  • Rman #20 - December 8, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Isn’t that the truth Lisa. There are many well known public figures I don’t really care for either but I would never be soo ignorant and dedicate horrible YouTube videos to them.

    Although Kate still have the last laugh because she is still with William and things seem to be moving along anyway.

  • Rman #21 - December 8, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Basically Clover they are trying make it seem like Kate and her family are total goldiggers and if she marry into the royal family she will bring the whole monarchy down to it’s knees. That’s the horrible statement they have been trying to make for the longest.

    I suggest everyone to ignore those things because all you are going to do is raise your blood pressure and we don’t need that to happen.

  • mapleleaf #22 - December 8, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I flagged those videos as well, thanks Hale and Lisa for bringing it to everyone’s attention.

    I hope more people flag those abusive and defamatory videos. There are other obnoxious videos on youtube, but the ones posted by that particular person are some of the worst.

  • Phoebe #23 - December 8, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    I wonder why the Middletons don’t take legal action against crap like that. It is obviously defamatory.

  • Clover #24 - December 8, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Rman,
    I really didn’t get all of that from the videos. How are those videos saying all that? I got that Kate wants to get engaged to Prince William. i saw lots of pictures of diamond rings and tiaras.

    The designer simply put photos to music, the text was brief with little depth.

    I think it would be hard to sue when the video is a collage of photos of YOU taken by the paps.

    I think the videos are not that bad. I was expecting much, much worse.

    I think everyone should ignore them. They are so short and insignificant. Whay make a big deal over some college student having a laugh.

    You guys are going to drive yourselves crazy.

  • Lisa #25 - December 8, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Clover,they use these videos to spread degrading propaganda, just like they use the comment section at the DM to do the same. According to these people,the Middletons must be the most powerful family in the UK as they seem to think they have the DM,Hello and others in their pockets. Ridiculous. There is only one family that is capable of power like that in Britain.

  • Clover #26 - December 8, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Lisa,
    No one has that amount of power, to color everyone’s thinking about Kate. Clearly, you guys like Kate so “they” have not influenced you at all. Again, I think the video is harmless and meaningless.

    Just keep supporting Kate and ignore these people and ignore those video. The DM comments and video really aren’t nearly as powerful in shaping public opinion as you make them out to be IMO.

  • Me #27 - December 8, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/VvXksG_pApR/Young+Victoria+Los+Angeles+Screening+Arrivals/Uwrl0JFQYSJ

    Princess Beatrice is looking very trim and pretty. Not a fan of either of the outfits. Perhaps if Bea would have worn the skirt same grey colour it would have looked nicer. Seems to be the same colour as Kate’s Starlight.

  • Lisa #28 - December 8, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    I wish I could come up with something nice to say about those fashion choices. Nice to see the ladies have a close relationship! :)

  • atx #29 - December 8, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Well, looks like ChocoolatePrincess isn’t a fan of BRW followers.

    “@ProKates from BRW
    Since it is obviously my point of view you dislike why not critisize my opinion? Why not have counter-arguments? Instead I’m used to the usual “You’re just jealous” “mentally ill” “leave her alone” and many personal attacks.

    Give me a real discussion :) Or at least respect others who don’t share your opinion. To post links in order to flag or spam another site just shows how low Hale’s standards are. I wouldn’t do this with BRW. Till now I have always respected your site.”

    Posting there and flagging isn’t going to do much. I think you drew more attention to those videos when you posted the link here. It will die down. I can’t think of too many people, besides those who make royal watching their hobby, that will actually see those garbage videos.

  • Lisa #30 - December 8, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Well I think this topic has over- extended it’s welcome.

    Night guys…I look forward to hearing from the Lord Chamberlain soon to put this silliness to rest. ;)

  • Phoebe #31 - December 8, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Was just at the supermarket, looking at the tabloids in the checkout line. The National Examiner had a blaring headline over a pic of PW: “DYING CHARLES GIVES UP THRONE TO WILLIAM”. Didn’t read the article. Talk about speculation!

  • bluefire #32 - December 8, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    i love bea dress is nice

    update about the queen meeting with miley cyrus

    http://www.usmagazine.com/stylebeauty/news/photo-miley-cyrus-flashes-cleavage-meeting-the-queen-1970241

  • really? #33 - December 8, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    hmmmm, if find it odd that people are asking others to post that the video is vile?

    it really isn’t vile\

    it is an opinion of how they see kate and the middletons,

    i think you stoop to their level

    and no no isp’s are being followed by authorities and if they were then there ar3e nutjobs on both sides of the fence that need to be reigned in and if kate doesn’t think so then she puts herself at risk

    i think that chocolate princess seems smart and able to put forward an idea well on video if you don’t agree move along

  • Rman #34 - December 8, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Good Night Lisa.

    Clover I’m not just talking about the YouTube videos but I’m talking the whole shebang.

    I think a great precentage of this stuff has come about because of numerous tabloid stories and from crazy rumors people make up about Kate and her family on the internet. This is why I said the other day that all this comes to down to judging a book by it’s cover. The false accusations that is made up against Kate really don’t match up to reality.

    Everyone has to learn that making up rumors about people you don’t know is just plain wrong. YouTube is a great site, blogs are great and even internet forums are nice as well but we should use these tools to spread love around the world not hate.

    Did I sound too chessy?

  • really? #35 - December 8, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    no honest and heartfelt !

    i just think to silence people is wrong

    you become the didactic influence you are accusing others of being..

  • Me #36 - December 8, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    It depends, a defamation case build up and there goes the internet blogger to court, victim wins, blogger looses. Last court case known victim requested exposure of the blogger whom was hidden through a blog user name, like any of us. Victim won, blogger is apparently now trying to counter demand due to the exposure, alleging that her family, friends, neighbors, colleagues have left her alone and dry. The story ended up in national papers.

    Just saying, better spread reasonably your opinion without going over the top, because it may be defamatory and when it’s a repeated offense, who knows, you very well may be watched. The Internet Police have different names and do exist.

    On another tone, many celebrities are winning court cases; Citizen fill in the blank v. Paparazzi Co.

    So, if you feel your opinions, positive or negative, are within the no defamatory, go for it.

    I haven’t seen the videos yet. But I do know TCP. I have read some of her opinions and disagree with some to most of it, other forms of opinions where sarcastic and with dark humor – I laughed. That’s all. I do not know if her siggies at that time where defamatory, but they where “ruled” later to be taken down in one royal site. I say, there is always a reason in everything in life. Listen to it, ponder and take decisions with no haste.

    Precipitous decisions bring the same consequences.

    Just ask Perez Hilton, Sacha Cohen Baron, to name some famous people whom have the cash and do risky business, which may mean the above.

    My personal opinion about it (TCP the video maker) is a mix of poster curious and atx in conjunction with Let the “Internet Lords” do their jobs.

    Goodnight and tomorrow/today

    Wednesday 9th December 2009

    The Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, will open Weymouth College Construction Centre during a visit to Poundbury, Dorchester, Dorset.

    The Duchess of Cornwall will invite children from Helen and Douglas House and the Starlight Children’s Foundation to have lunch and decorate the Christmas tree, Clarence House, London.

    Starlight, have you wondered if Kate will be there ;)

  • Me #37 - December 8, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    In the above case I used as an example, when I said: The Internet Police have different names and do exist.

    The blogger exposed (Victimizer) – page is/was managed by Googles. The court ordered Googles to bring forth the IP address, you name it.

    Those are the big fish – the Lords, not referring to Moderators or Administrators in a forum site, although I think they have a hard job to be balanced and mindful of “internal” and “internet security” rules, which not all pages follow apparently. We wouldn’t read cases in the papers for one.

    The other day I read in the papers about a guy who described in his page how to make a home made bomb. Arrested, yes.

  • jj #38 - December 9, 2009 at 12:35 am

    Me

    That would be interesting if Kate was there. I guess it at least shows the royal family are working in conjunction with the Middletons or am I going nuts??

  • atx #39 - December 9, 2009 at 1:12 am

    “My personal opinion about it (TCP the video maker) is a mix of poster curious and atx in conjunction with Let the “Internet Lords” do their jobs.”

    Woah, Me…

    That’s a pretty harsh accusation! Since the video was posted here I started reading up on this Chocoolate Princess gal and basically blew that off. (For God’s sake! That person has a picture of someone shaking their a** in pink panties posted on the Royal Truth website! Can you really take someone like that seriously?) Needless to say, I came back here to AGREE with the tastelessness of the video and here you are spewing that venom that you accuse others of doing! Bravo! You know. If you weren’t so paranoid you may be able to convince more people of your point of view.

    I don’t have to hide behind an alias, thanks! I’ve stated this before, I know. My only disappointment in KM is that I personally don’t believe she is living up to her potential professionally. (Sorry everyone. I’m not trying to bring up the Kate’s work ethic debate.) I know where I stand. Don’t use people as your scapegoat!

    God! I hope there will be some new news soon!

  • Katharine #40 - December 9, 2009 at 5:46 am

    The videos are just plain mean but they say more about the person who created them than they do about Kate. It’s also ironic that the person can dish it out but can’t take criticism in return.

    jj and Me, I think inviting Starlight to CH shows that the royals are behind Kate. It’s not a coincidence. Lol.

  • mary #41 - December 9, 2009 at 7:45 am

    Atx,
    I totally agree with your comments. Here, here.

  • Me #42 - December 9, 2009 at 7:56 am

    atx, I think you got me wrong or I didn’t express myself well. What I mean to say is that I agree with your points together with some that poster curious said and ‘Let the Internet Lords’ do their job. Eventually it happends.

  • The Chocolate Princess #43 - December 9, 2009 at 8:48 am

    Jeez! One video was embedded here in the BRW site many months ago. Why all the fuss now? People going crazy writing me about you guys…

    I admit I can’t understand why you like her at all? I don’t get it, since you might have the same information as I do… unemployment, crotch shots, her horrible family(James nude or in female dresses getting wasted, Pippa dressed in toilet paper, drug lord Gary, charity clubbing, killing animals,etc… BUT I respect your opinion.
    It would be easy for me to find 10-15people who would help me spamming your site with 3 comments a day. In short time this site wouldn’t be moderable and Ked would have to shut it down for a while. I would never do that! I respect your save harbor where you can meet with people who all like Kate. Until now I haven’t even posted here. You are welcome to upload videos which show your pov of the 7year Kate+William liaison.

    @atx
    if you’ve read what’s below my avatar, you’d know that I’m wearing those pink panties with the initials SG for the member “Serene Grace” :) Kate is flashing her panties and you seem to take her seriously –so why not me? ;) KissKiss

    @ Clover
    Thanks for your argumentation! –that’s right. The one video is just a picture show. There isn’t even one single word written in it, which could be used as a libel accusation at all! So if the video is nasty –it’s because the pics of Kate are nasty. So maybe you should flag Kate instead :P (hehe)

    Those defamation cases explained by “Me” usually start out by contacting the blogger first and asking him/her nicely to take down the defamatory conten, because a law suit is very complex and time-consuming. Kate’s chances of winning against me are like 1 to 1.000.000 so I’ll let you know when the Midds contact me :)

    take care guys! kisses ~TCP

  • Me #44 - December 9, 2009 at 9:10 am

    True defamatory lawsuits are very complex and time consuming.

    It took H&L to make a press/paparazzi agreement in favor of KM where the Lord Justice Scott Baker requested evidence. As known: 1 year of secretly filming the paparazzi on Kate and other evidences which was described as a ‘thick file’.

    That is why lawyers have to ‘build up’ a case, which I did mention before. And no, the court doesn’t need to make a may you please phone call. When a Judge has in hands a case and it is considered substantial- they hand out an order, that is it.

    OT, TCP I admit I do miss some of your hilarious posts with smiley faces. Most of the other times I read you, IMO you where over the top.

    Its not nice to threaten that it would be easy for you to send 10-15 people. You have done this threats in the past at another site and precipitous decisions bring the exact results. In other words, you are implying that Steve wouldn’t be able to manage it, but I may guarantee you he just needs to do a simple click blocking IP addresses. Doesn’t John at Royalanecdotes do it ?

  • Iva #45 - December 9, 2009 at 9:37 am

    I must chime in. I’m a reader, not a poster. But must break my golden rule in this instance.
    I have seen the said photo montage, it is defamatory, and infringes on copyrighted photos. It is used in a way to malign a person. And the poster that quoted “it said a lot about the person who created and promoted the flicks,” is correct.
    There will always be useless bored people on the planet, but we all need to curb the visicious attacks on persons we do and do not know.
    I like your site by the way. More adults than foolish children like the other place.

  • meg #46 - December 9, 2009 at 9:40 am

    How weak a defence it is to threaten with spamming this site!
    But what can one expect from soemone who belives every stupid tabloid lie she reads and thinks the truth is found on “Royal Truth” . LOL That is the place you belong to if you have lost any connection with reality when it comes to Kate Middleton and her family. It just is, everybody seeing it from outside, knows. From inside? Well, they see what they agree on seeing LOL
    So Choclate Princess, I suggest you stay there and post your “creative” videos there. That’s the only place you’ll find an audience.

  • Lisa #47 - December 9, 2009 at 9:47 am

    Guys,I know many of us share the feelings about the hate campaign that some posters wage on the internet toward Kate Middleton and her family but this is one time where our silence will go a long way. Steps have been taken to end the mockery and defamation. Lets let the right people in the right places do their jobs! :) .

    Keep peace at this site.

  • The Chocolate Princess #48 - December 9, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Hi”Me”
    I’m not threatening anybody -as I stated I would never do that!! It’s what Hale did -instigate all of you to come over and flag my videos because they show Kate in a negative light.

    “What I’ve done in the past” as you stated was to boycott an admin decision in a neutral royal forum to prohibit any kind of negative opinions of Kate. All avatars, signatures, pictures and texts which show Kate Middleton in a negative way got deleted. :( This has nothing to do with free speech or an open discussion where you are able to look at the situation from every angle.
    Yes -I’ve asked my fellow friends there to stop posting and move to another forum which allows every kinds of pics of Kate and her family. Before I saw all those horrible things I was actually a ProKate -then I looked behind the newspaper articles and saw what was really going on and was shocked.

    Over the top? Who? Me? :)
    Lets see if my smilies work here…[IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e329/The_Chocolate_Princess/smilies/legs.gif[/IMG]

    Me: Please write me a pm so I know who you are… <3

  • Me #49 - December 9, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Welcome Iva, and that’s a thoughtful post. That is exactly what I was saying but in other words about the example case of defamatory that hit national papers. The photos of the victim were malignly used by the victimizer that was the court case. Ask me, both ladies in question where no celebs, famous or rich people. But it did sure remind me of what does happen in the internet. There are many sites where videos, photos, wording are deleted initially with the notification and the may you please by their webmaster, administrator, and moderator. But when a site (the owner) allows defamation and copyright infringement, it does go above them and that’s where the real ‘lords’ use the power. Hasn’t anyone every gone across a page that doesn’t exist any longer? It may be for lack of payment, lack of attending the site, etc. but when a page that in your consideration does have ‘controversy’, you may bet that may be the main reason of closure.

    I’m not saying that IT will happen to finger pointing. But as I said before, IT does remind me of example cases that I mentioned in previous posts.

  • Me #50 - December 9, 2009 at 10:13 am

    I’m not allowed to see videos at work.

    I would love to see firstly The Behind the scenes with QEII.

  • Rosalie #51 - December 9, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Meg and Iva : very good posts.

    Just ignore the Chocolate Princess and others trolls. The best way to behave. They just want to draw attention. I’m pretty sure she is just under 15 years old. Something around 13.

  • Rman #52 - December 9, 2009 at 11:02 am

    Good Mornig My Royal Peeps,

    I see things have heated up a bit and I’m surprised to see The Chocolate Princess posting on this site. I think everyone should calm down and just take it easy.

    The Chocolate Princess I just read what you said about Kate and her family and I think we should pay attention to the facts. Kate has a job at Party Pieces, which is her family’s business. That is infact a JOB. Kate never showed her crotch when she fell at the charity disco. She had shorts on and nothing inappropriate was seen. James Middleton is not dating the second in line to the throne and he is allowed to have his private fun and as well as Pippa. Kate’s uncle GG had a messed up life and I’m sure he’s sorry that he embarassed his family like that. Drugs is a huge problem in this world and sadly it affects not just the person who is involved with it but the whole family. All we can do is hope that GG will get his life together and put the past behind them. It in now way affected Kate’s relationship with William and the royals because she had nothing to do with it. Yes Kate and her family support charities and they sometimes attend a charity party. As for killing animals well if she marries into the royal family she will be killing animals on the royal estates along with the royals. It’s what they do, we may not agree with it but that’s their tradition.

    I know people expect a great deal out of Kate, they want her to be this way and that way. They want her to be a slave at her job, never go out and have some fun with her family and friends, dress like a nun and busy herself by saving the world but honestly that’s too much to expect from her. She’s not in a royal position yet to show everyone that she has what it takes to be William’s Consort so lets just wait until that happens. She do her private charity work, she don’t go out clubbing often and her appearences are very rare now. She seem to be a nice young lady that has fallen in love with a prince and despite the false accusations made up against her, she is still with her prince. That tells me that those silly and pointless rumors about her and just made up rumors and she don’t deserve the hate campaign that some people are running.

    Lets keep the peace and wish this couple all the best and the world.

  • Lisa #53 - December 9, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Wonderful,well thought out post,Rman! You are truly a classy poster!

  • just visiting #54 - December 9, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Dear Chocolate Princess,
    ” I can’t understand why you like her at all? I don’t get it, since you might have the same information as I do… unemployment, crotch shots, her horrible family(James nude or in female dresses getting wasted, Pippa dressed in toilet paper, drug lord Gary, charity clubbing, killing animals,etc…”

    Chocolate princess,you speak as if your family is without any fault :-)
    You called KM’s family “horrible”. I dare say KM was brought up in a normal family, with loving mum and dad, who worked hard to provide for them. KM does not work? how would you know? sure, she may work part time for her mum and dad but is that a sin? James wearing female dress- I dont care what he does in his private time. It’s nobody’s business.I have gay friends who would do just that at weekend but they happened to be the kindest and the sweetest people. Drug lord gary, well he has nothing to do with K, so why would that make me want to dislike kate or think of her family as horrible ?

    Pippa dressed in toilet paper, hey how exactly does that make her family horrible? I can think of far worth things than that.

  • just visiting #55 - December 9, 2009 at 11:22 am

    sorry people- I cant stand it when someone speaks as if they have no faults of their own.

  • atx #56 - December 9, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Me, very sorry. I reread the initial post I definitely misinterpreted. I might have already been heated up from the goofiness at the other site.

    Anyways, hello Iva. Rman and just visiting, again, fantastic job laying things out objectively.

  • Clover #57 - December 9, 2009 at 11:33 am

    It is only fair to say that all of us do not have FACTS or all the facts we claim to have when it comes to PW and Kate.

    No matter what many of us say about Kate and PW it is ONLY speculation and opinion.

    No one on BRW or any other royal blog knows how many hours Kate works or if she works at all – prove to me she does or does not work at Party Pieces! No one knows about Kate’s work status! DM articles are not concrete proof of anything!

    No one here knows if Kate will be or will not be Prince William’s wife -give me concrete proof that Kate and PW are going to marry or will not marry! Again, DM articles are not concrete proof.

    We need an official announcement from SHP/CH.

    The point is the whether you like Kate or do not like Kate it doesn’t matter – you are no more in the know about the private lives of Kate and Prince William.

    We are all in the same boat about these two.
    We are all in the dark about the future of Kate and William.

    Let us try to respect multiple points of view.
    We are all just speculating and sharing our opinion at this point!

  • Rina #58 - December 9, 2009 at 11:41 am

    To play the role of the devil\’s advocate (as I\’m really indifferent either way at this point), I think the logic that many people on the internet employ in regards to their anti-Middleton sentiments is that it doesn\’t matter if one\’s own family is flawed in imperfect, as they have not placed themselves in the pubic light. I believe that Kate and her family were private citizens once upon a time ago, but the moment Carole and Pippa and James also starting posing for the paparazzi, they entered the public realm of celebrity.

    You cannot accept attention that only puts you in a good light– you have to talk all that comes with it.

    Anyways, thats the difference for many between being able to criticize the Middletons regardless of one\’s own family, I believe.

    Also, TCP\’s family are not the family of a royal girlfriend, potential Princess of Wales, potential Queen. If the royals are meant to represent the highest morals of the land, then all associated entities must also represent some more class, no?

    I think that is the logic for many.

    Anyways, let\’s stick to what Rman is saying– peace on this site guys! Every subsequent post I read is filled with some sort of immature threat, and really, lets not make ourselves tread on eggshells to some blogger battle on here lol!

  • Rman #59 - December 9, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    That’s right lets just keep the peace.

    No one is perfect and there is no perfect family. The royals have shown us that they have problems just like any other family. Their family is full of cheaters, skeletons in the closet and etc. But no matter what people may say about the royals, I still respect them because of the work they do officially and they way they represent Britain and Commonwealth. Kate comes from a close family but not a perfect one and that’s just normal. I’m not comparing her to Diana but the late princess came from a broken down family that has had it’s own share of public scandals but no matter what her family went through Diana made a very good Princess of Wales and due to her being real and through her charity work, Diana became Britains most beloved Queen of Hearts. Kate is not a royal yet and she’s not the position to do what the royals do. Give the girl a chance, wait until something official to happen and watch her grow in her role. That has to happen first.

  • Rman #60 - December 9, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Kate’s job right now is to be a good, loyal and loving girlfriend to William. She is supportive of his royal role within the royal family and she also supports his military career. She was there for him when he had doubts about his university studies, there for him when he graduated from Sandhurst. The girl was there for him when he got his flying wings and she was there for him when he became the 1000th Knight of the Garter. I don’t know about you all but I’ll say that she is doing an excellent job at being the boy’s companion and dealing with his baggage. That’s why she is talked about soo much, the girl is handling all this with grace and dignity.

    In my opinion, William is simply a lucky guy.

  • Lisa #61 - December 9, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    A really interesting radio conversation regarding the privacy issues and the RF

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00p67f0#synopsis

  • really? #62 - December 9, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    “It depends, a defamation case build up and there goes the internet blogger to court, victim wins, blogger looses. Last court case known victim requested exposure of the blogger whom was hidden through a blog user name, like any of us. Victim won, blogger is apparently now trying to counter demand due to the exposure, alleging that her family, friends, neighbors, colleagues have left her alone and dry. The story ended up in national papers.

    Just saying, better spread reasonably your opinion without going over the top, because it may be defamatory and when it’s a repeated offense, who knows, you very well may be watched. The Internet Police have different names and do exist. ”

    let them then ME..stop going on about it to people, it is ridiculous and stirs up a hornets nest

    clover is the only one making sense on this point…

    if kate does bring about defamation suits she is then in THE PUBLIC REALM FOR GOOD
    lets hope she sticks to her country bumkin life and stays out of the press completely and stays away from events until pw invites her offically, she feeds this by showing up at events, she should write a nice note to the boy that sailed, and stop with the clubbing aqnd cabbing

    she needs to be taken seriously she needs to stay out of the spotlight

  • Me #63 - December 9, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    “let them then ME..stop going on about it to people, it is ridiculous and stirs up a hornets nest”

    Excuse me? Were all entitled to give opinions respectfully.

    Apparently you feel affected by the topic.

    About Kate’s spotlight appearances lately, Starlight Auction/dinner, Movie Gala Premier for charity and HVS anniversary for charity – they are IMO a great way to create awareness to each of the charity beneficiaries.

  • Rman #64 - December 9, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    really?, the appearences Kate has made so far is due to charity events. She hasn’t been seen clubbing for some time now. I didn’t find anything wrong with that in the first place. She’s in her 20′s not in her 80′s, she should be able to go out and enjoy herself, just like Chelsy. She has tone down going out with her friends but everytime she did that people on the royal forums and online newspaper posters nearly had a stroke and a heart attack right behind it.

    I for one will be glad once Kate have a royal role to fulfill and we all can watch her help William fly the flag for Queen & Country. That’s what I’m waiting on. Like I just said, her job right now is to be a private citizen and to be William’s girlfriend and supporter.

  • Me #65 - December 9, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Everyone has their favorite. What is okay for one will not be for the other and the other way around.

    Rman, you are one of the few who is neutral Kate and Chelsy.

  • benny #66 - December 9, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    The best way to keep peace on this site is to ignore the trolls who want to divide us. While I’m all for everyone’s right to say what they think, some people just don’t think very much before they put fingers to keyboard.

  • really? #67 - December 9, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    well said benny,

    yes all opinions are welcome b ut some is goading and look what happens with that ME, goading makes more trouble..

    rman has it right

    i reallyt really think she should stay out of the spotlight UNLESS at his side, be completely private, until she is a princess or queen, just my opinion
    alot of hte nastiness would go away she she would sta out of the spotlight and get on with life as with her siblings – they should stay out of hte spotlight – no tatler no cakes of celebrities, mopinion
    i will say that aobut camilla – she always stayed out of the limelight which i think works

  • really? #68 - December 9, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    ps she is girlfriend not anything more right now – so celebrity stuff no appearances no

    normal stuf like us yes – volunteer yes – small – no hello stuff \

    myopinion

    rman is right must be at his side then public stuff till then qwuiet b ehind the scenes work with local charity not afflicated to party pieces

  • Clover #69 - December 9, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Benny,
    Why don’t you take the first step in bringing peace to BRW- STOP using the word troll. It really makes you look bad.

    Thanks!

  • Hale #70 - December 9, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Lisa thanks :smile:

    Rman, there is no reason to think that Kate isn’t out enjoying herself. I for one would like to think that is exactly what she is doing.

    Fortunately, the press agreement gives her some modicum of normality.

    Also, don’t forget what I posted earlier last month. This is the time of year that those of the Prince’s set retreat to the countryside, for shoots and house parties. The chances are we will see little of W & K together until the polo season kicks of next year. Therefore any pics of them together until then should be considered a bonus.

  • Rman #71 - December 9, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Quick Word,

    Camilla stayed out of the spotlight because it would have been totally dangerous for her to come out while Charles was still married to Diana. She had no choice but to stay out of the limelight.

    Kate should be seen doing her charity work and being at William’s side when she can. She should not let anyone drive her back into the background. She deserves to be seen. Despite what people say about her she is proving to us all that she has thick skin and will go on about her life and relationship.

    Kate keep doing your thing!

  • Guest #72 - December 9, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Until I was blue in the face I have been warning regular posters and the Admin/Mod/owner, whomever, at this site for months now, the Kate Haters and Concern Trolls would eventually tire of their cesspool and slither here with their lies and nastiness and venom to stir up trouble.

    I’ve actually backed away from this site because I have seen this lot posting here, doing drive by’s and hit jobs on Kate Middleton and her family for some time now. Glad you all see it now.

    But, just like teeth, ignore them and they’ll go away.

  • The Chocolate Princess #73 - December 9, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Wow. After the immature assumption of me being 13 yr’s old I’d thought I’d give up on you guys, but I’m surprised, I didn’t expect anybody to post nicely at all.

    @Rman
    Thank you for taking the time to explain why you like Kate. It’s a real treat to see people argue with real opinions. I understand now why you like her :) I think there are many things which are unclear like her job situation and we have to fill in the blanks and choose to believe what we don’t know. Like if she really shows up every day for work or if it’s just an alibi. Since we got only a handful of pics of her going to PP and her only going out in London during weekdays, I chose to believe it’s just a fake-job. But regarding the crotch shots I’m not talking about the roller disco. I don’t believe the stories what others said about her not wearing panties etc. and I defended her on other sites on that one. –I am talking about the countless times she got in and out of cars opening her knees widely or pulling them up to her chin while she was wearing skirts and showed us what she was wearing underneath. You never saw those pics because they are censored at the royal forum and probably here too, but I did and I have them –In case somebody wants to see them :)

    @just visiting
    Nope, my family isn’t perfect, but frankly I consider them way above the Midds. None of my siblings plays with dead animals like James (note: I’ve pics to proof it) or even drinks alcohol. I don’t think they can do what they want in their private time because it reflects bad on Kate and therefore on William and the BRF.

    @Rina
    I see where you are getting at, but actually I do judge her by my standards. I would never expect others to do what I am not capable or willing to do. It was 1.15am when I got back again from my parents business to oversee a problem at production. See, I am really working hard at our family business while I’m getting a university degree in business administration. There are already enough people looking at me + thinking my profession would only be “daughter”. I really don’t need a Waity Katie who publicly enhances that pov which puts a bad light on every woman’s reputation who chose to work for her parents. I would love to look up to a Queen like I do to QEII.

    “Kate’s job right now is to be a good, loyal and loving girlfriend to William. She is supportive of his royal role within the royal family and she also supports his military career.”
    OMG that really isn’t a job description –what should she write in her C.V.??
    From 2003 to 2010: loving and supporting girlfriend? :)
    There are others who see in her behaviour a desperate woman who pleases her boyfriend in any way until she gets engaged.

    Thanks again Rina, just visiting, Rman, Clover and Me for your opinions. It seems as if you are really nice :) take care.

  • Phoebe #74 - December 9, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Strange that so much about KM is judged when there is so little information about her available to judge. Is this something endemic to modern life? Frightening.

  • Lisa #75 - December 9, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Amazing how a poster from a site that spews nothing but hatred and disrespect would expect to come here and expect to be respected. I think all of you who chose to respond did so with logic and for that I applaud you.

    Thankfully nothing that can be twisted or made up can change the words of the Lord Chamberlain when the time comes. I shall look forward to that day whether it comes in a month or a year.

    And BTW….

    I will take this “looney bin” over a hate site any day!

    Peace to all!

  • Rman #76 - December 9, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    TCP I’m not saying that it’s a job to be William’s girlfiend but she is conducting her personal life the way she see fit. There’s no doubt about it that she is a very loyal, supportive and loving girlfriend to the guy, if not the relationship would have ended long ago.

    What I’m trying to say is the there many harsh made up rumors about this young lady but those rumors are just rumors, no hard proof to any of it. The bad description people paint of her is not the kind of woman William would dating all these years, it’s not the woman William would take around his family and present to the Queen. William is surrounded by beautiful women almost on a daily baeses and can have anyone of them but Kate is the one he is with. To me that speak volumes and debunk the many rumors.

    I’m glad that I got a chance talk to you TCP because to me it’s not about being pro-Kate but about making it known that it’s just not nice to continue posting these false rumors.

  • Lisa #77 - December 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Rman, I just want to tell you what a class act you are. In fact,you may just be a saint. They poke fun at you on their site and you still manage to post in a respectful manner. It goes to show that the cream truly does rise to the top!

  • ked #78 - December 9, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Hello,

    Still recovering from 22 hours flight so just don’t seem to get my sleeping back to normal but at least gives me some tine to catch up.

    I think the fuss over the sandringhsm photo snatchers is absolutely nothing to do with KM.

    PW perhaps on his Christmas visit, PH definitely after his hen harrier episode, PE also, caught to rights with his dogs and even PP with the embarrassment of the ‘fare thee well snap’ out
    side the estate farm porch , but KM is not to be seen in the area.

    I think that with KM’s rumoured increased involvement with the Party Pieces and other charity events she may have brokered her own arrangement with the official press photographers as a private individual. A big smile and an acknowledgment on arrival , a smile and a wave at the end with a few social shots inbetween but a stand off for the rest of her time, shopping, skating and other private occasions . This I believe to be against PW’s previous ‘regulaions’. Interesting.

    PW seems to have been very busy over the past 10-14 days but the GARMIN nuvi on his big motorbike reportedly remains programmed to the Taymar bridge crossing and cosy cottages souh on several of the last few weekends. Bit cold and rough for the sufing I would think. Eyes open for he next “private holiday no comment ” statement from other friendly sources.

    It’s remarkable how the newspapers link every recent move by the RF or HM to have this extraordinary link with the PW/KM engagement whilst in reality it is purely and simply just part of the annual slow news period following the polo season until just before Christmas and their annual trek to Sandringham.

    As I understand it the news and possibility of anything happening remains the same but I am not certain that the throw away comment by KM’s mum in August may just about describe the
    present situation, frustration or not.

    Just for interest, on my long flight this week I read ‘The RAPHAEL TRAIL’ by Joanna Pitman which amongst many interesting incidents describes how a 27 year old King Charles 1st with his extensive knowledge of Art started to build up a royal collection of art masterpieces. Perhaps an other royal 27 year old could put a friend’s degree in History of Art to good use in building up new treasures for the collection even if not for his own home.

    Still lots to run on certain aspects I fear but perhaps we shpuld remain strainfully optimistic, as any negativity would have the effect of a 7+ earthquake despite that slightly uncomfortable gut feeling that many are having as the baggage builds and builds.

  • Jj #79 - December 9, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Lisa & Rman well said!! It is the season to be jolly people!!! I’ll be heading to England next week!! Happy Holidays to all!!

  • Lisa #80 - December 9, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    jj,enjoy your trip. ked why on earth are you trying to start rumors and stir a pot that is already boiling over?

  • Phoebe #81 - December 9, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    For once, I agree with ked, up until the part about the Taymar bridge crossing. Intimations of inside knowledge never look good in this context.

  • Clover #82 - December 9, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Ked,
    Great post! Welcome bac. It is always a pleasure!

    The Chocolate Princess,
    Thanks for facing the few hostile posters here and explaining your point of view. That took guts and courage. Good luck!

  • atx #83 - December 9, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Since ‘The Young Victoria’ is finally stateside, I know it will only be shown in select theaters. Does any one know which cities this will include or if it will open nationally at any time in the future?

  • Rman #84 - December 9, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Lisa I know but I just brush it off.

    JJ Happy Holidays and have a safe trip.

    Ked it’s good to hear from you. I just think the couple are moving on with things and we will probably see Kate getting involved with charities more now. It will give people a chance to see what are her charitable interests. The couple may go to Sandringham and spend some time together. This new privacy move by the Queen may not mean a royal engagement by Christmas but the couple and members of the royal family will benefit from it. You better believe that William & Kate will want this set in place before they get married. Ingrid Seward made sure she pointed that out.

    One can only hope we will see more positive change in the upcoming new year.

  • sojourner #85 - December 9, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Well, since the recent posting princess are clearly not made by Godiva (nor are they being produced by Herme, Cluziel, Constant or Vernier either) I will ignore them rather than eat them.

    I suspect they will soon melt away, anyway.

  • really? #86 - December 9, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    what throw away comment in august?
    i don ‘t think she spoke to the press in august did she ? mom that is

  • really? #87 - December 9, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    and what baggage?

    I don’t get that?

  • kat #88 - December 9, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    I quickly looked up Carole Middleton’s comment which was that Kate’s relationship was compromising her other two childrn. I am not sure how it fits now. I think that the baggage might be his fear of committment royal duties, the length of time that she has waited, not going out and using her talents to the max. Ked, am I in the right ball park. One can never tell. About Christmas, I am hoping that we will see a picture or two. However with the publicity surrounding the limiting of press intrusion, I am not sure olf that. Without actually knowing either William or Kate, it is hard to think about how they are reacting to all of thei engagement talk. I do hope that they know that many people are in theirt corner. I am glad right now that they have the support of their family and friends and most of all each other. I would love to see them together and announcing their engagement. I do think about them as being two real people who are living their lives in a bubble. It can’t be easy for eirther of them.

  • Alaska #89 - December 10, 2009 at 3:08 am

    Evening all! atx, I sure hope they play the movie in my city. I have been waiting along time for it to show in the US.

  • Hale #90 - December 10, 2009 at 3:14 am

    In regards to the ban on paps around Sandringham, it should be noted this is something PC has pushed for.

    For a number of years now, PC has been actively involved in limiting and manipulating the press.

    Perish the thought of what this can achieve in the long term. The media have the memory of an elephant. If ever a time comes when the RF seek the genuine support of the media I can envisage doors being slammed in their faces.

    All this press manipulation in my opinion does not bode well for the monarchy.

  • ked #91 - December 10, 2009 at 7:02 am

    Hello,

    Moving on from my nocturnal reading during my flight home I must say how impressive the historical reaction of heirs to the throne was to attaining the Crown. The Lancastrian, Yorkist, Tudor, Stuarts and even HM and PC all dedicated their lives in preparing to inherit and some earlier Princes even gave their lives for their ambition.

    Unfortunately, as a dedicated Royalist I have found it difficult to recognise such ambition in PW’s dedication. In fact he has in the past quite clearly stated the exact oopposite and was severely chastised by his father.That of course was several years ago shortly after his Mum was killed.

    I do wonder how in his heart of hearts he feels now and hope that those negative thoughts have been banished. If they havent and he at any time reiterates such feelings then republicans and anti monarchists will seize an opportunity.

    I have been trying to check back to establish exactly when KM and PW were actually confirmed to have been together and can find nothing since early August. Any ideas please?

    For those interested the baggage refered to earlier is in fact the mass of critical comments that will be carried forward year upon year. Press files are never erased and if PW and KM are together their every move will be noted and refered back to comments made in the early 2000.

    It is a daunting lot that they carry forward and all so unnecessary had the relationship been better handled initially by PW whose phobia and secrecy so alienated everyone and latterly by his advisors who by ignoring the press and public have created this monster.

  • Me #92 - December 10, 2009 at 8:40 am

    Ked, my idea would be that even though we royal watchers would love to have a daily or weekly article or photo of the couple, fraid it won’t happen. This doesn’t translate to the couple hasn’t been together. IMO, we shouldn’t treat it like a reality show.

  • Hale #93 - December 10, 2009 at 8:42 am

    Ked, I share your views about William. Unfortunately I have a deep sense of foreboding where PW is concerned.

    I also share your views about the media. They have a habit of raking things over and over again. As I said they possess elephant memories.

    As for W & K, I accept we may not have seen them together in the press recently, but the story of them being together at Wood Farm, Sandringham was in many publications. Press & mags.

    Although my views have not changed in so far as these two are concerned I honestly and truly believe they are together, and if they were not believe me there would commence rumblings in the press.

  • Me #94 - December 10, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Take it as you will, the couple has been confirmed at cinema’s, restaurant’s, society wedding, starlight foundation charity, their friends have said they see each other during weekends at countryside mansions, when he was stationed in shropshire – rented house, etc.

    OT, Richard Kay, December 08, 2009
    Prince William has moved closer to his dream of becoming an RAF search-and-rescue pilot. He has, I hear, passed all his exams so far and is set to be awarded his provisional wings in a matter of days. William has been at RAF Shawbury for final assessment over the past few weeks, and in the New Year will move to RAF Valley, Wales, to step up training in Sea King helicopters.

    ‘He has passed all his continual assessment tests so far and is ahead of schedule, which means he will have plenty of spare time before Christmas,’ I am told. His girlfriend, Kate Middleton, is likely to be the main beneficiary.

  • Phoebe #95 - December 10, 2009 at 10:52 am

    “we shouldn’t treat it like a reality show”

    Unfortunately, that’s what a lot of people DO treat it as, and the press most certainly does.

    I am all for the right of the public to know what their RF is doing, but think about what HM has asked for: PRIVACY for her family when they are engaged in PRIVATE activities on PRIVATE property. Everyone is entitled to that. And no, that doesn’t encompass “falling out of nightclubs” onto PUBLIC streets. People need to think a little and not just react.

  • Rman #96 - December 10, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Good Evening,

    Me, that is why we haven’t seen the couple out together in a while because William has been training and taking his exams. With Kate’s appearence at the recent charity event, that let me know that everything is fine the the love department. I’m sure the couple will spend some time together for the holidays and who knows, they may even go back to Birkhall for New Years Eve and celebrate Kate’s birthday with her family.

    I’m waiting to see what steps will be taken next year.

    Ked my friend I have to agree with you:

    “It is a daunting lot that they carry forward and all so unnecessary had the relationship been better handled initially by PW whose phobia and secrecy so alienated everyone and latterly by his advisors who by ignoring the press and public have created this monster.”

    Some people may disagree with me but I think his parents marriage, press and his mothers passing had a huge affect on William. I do think Kate is the one helping him through this and has an understanding of the situation. I agree that the relationship and the press could have been handled better but Kate continues to stick on in there and I think that is because of love. She puts up with so much and even her family puts up with his baggage. The tabloids have dragged this family through the mud, rivers, oceans and the internet has been no better. Kate could have walked away from all of this long ago but I think love is what keeps her planted by his side. It is why I will continue to say that William is one lucky guy.

  • Rman #97 - December 10, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Guys I thought it was very nice of The Duchess of Cornwall to show her support once again for seriously ill children at Clarence House during the holiday season.

    http://tinyurl.com/y8h6gzw

    Children from Helen and Douglas House and Starlight Children’s Foundation helped the Duchess decorate the christmas tree and had a tea party.

  • Honeymoon Registry #98 - December 10, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Then again it is termed only speculation that the Prince will marry, we’re not sure.

  • Me #99 - December 10, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I moved on from the Camilla the Mistress to Camilla the Duchess of Cornwall. Having said that and I appreciate her efforts, wouldn’t the photo be much nicer with Kate there?!

    I’m so looking forward with Prince William, can’t wait for his official tour to NZ and Australia.

  • Me #100 - December 10, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    :lol: yes Honeymoon Registry, its a seasonal yearly thing. Like your username :)

  • LadyB #101 - December 10, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Hello to all, especially to RMan who continues to blow me away with all his wonderful positive posts! I have been away for a few weeks and it has taken me best part of the day to catch up with all the news!

    Well folks, what can I say, it’s Christmas! Silly season number two!

  • ked #102 - December 10, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Hello,

    It going to be an early night and a long weekend for us both but I really can’t get out of my mind that all is not as it may seem.

    Both PW and KM have been at functions within hours and within , literally, a matter of a few hundred yards from one another, but both moved on to separate ‘watering holes’ and more importantly, with different sets of friends.

    It has been noted that PW has spent at least two weekends over the past two months at so alled house paties but it was established that KM was not in attendance.

    KM has also been out and about but, and significantly without one of the ‘pretorian’ guards in close attendance. In fact she has been accompanied by what seems to be a new set of friends. Why the sudden change?

    I ask again, can anyone establish a meeting between them since August?

    I know we don’t know all their movements but without definite knowledge a change in routine could be seen as a pointer to some change of plan or circumstance.

    We heard that it was possible that KM met with some of PW’s ‘suits’ and it was suggested that the meeting was some type of ‘pre nup’ agreement. We don’t know for certain but another pointer was KM’s hurried departure and a seemingly strange picture of her rushing through an airport in the early morning alone and without any companions.

    Without definite knowledge these sets of circumstances which were so far removed from any earlier actios, certainly point to some sort of ‘happening’ which an absence of a sighting or news could lead to certain misgivings.

    Perhaps they will arrange something this weekend to get matters back on track. It’s been done before with a little exaggeration. (car parks in Berkshire pubs?).

    Do so hope all is well !

  • sall #103 - December 10, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Ked ,hope you have a helmet on .

  • Wm4King. #104 - December 10, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    William is still the saviour of the monarchy and favoured over his father on the whole. That is why the Queen sends him abroad in her place. He is too canny to bark about political issues and instead actually works for the well being of the kingdom.

    As for the moronic vids made with stolen pictures, chalk it up to a distortion of reality and have pity on the perpetrator.Such a display of squalid flashes is best left to obscurity.Can just see the maker viewing 24/7 to drive up the hits.

  • Rman #105 - December 10, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Well Ked God only knows what these two are up to. All I can say is that they have come a long way from their university days. I think it’s pretty safe to say they have been through a lot together and there is a great deal of pressure on them. But I really do think this couple will make it because I the love between them are stronger than most think.

    As I read about this couple I run into all sorts of theories, rumors and tabloid nonsense and I think some of that has tarnished the way people view them as a couple. With the recent pictures of Kate at the Straubenzee charity event, she looked happy, fresh and she played with her cocktail ring a lot so I somehow get the feeling that something is up. I can only pray that these two will give us some good news this upcoming year. I just have a feeling that’s where they are headed.

    Keep a positive attitude folks. That’s the best thing we can do.

  • Lisa #106 - December 10, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    ked, is this really you? Your post sounds alot like the ramblings of some posters who have dreamed up these wild theories about Kate running through Heathrow,close to tears because they think she came from Scotland where William broke up with her blah blah blah….and that so called prenup was started on a internet blog who suggested they would marry in may. Rubbish!

  • Wm4King. #107 - December 10, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Actually they were seen together not that long ago at the charity gala and afterward at a club with Harry.

  • Rman #108 - December 10, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    LadyB, as a child I was taught to keep a positive attitude because I partially grew up in a very negative enviornment. The only way uou could keep your head on straight was to keep a positive attitude about life. As I get older I see our world being engulfed with such negative energy. I just try my best to at least keep a positive and hopeful vibe here. The good part about it is that I’m not the only one here that is doing it.

  • Phoebe #109 - December 10, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Ked,

    The “new” set of friends is actually an old set of friends. What’s new is that KM has not been seen in public with them for awhile, and now is. Otherwise, I agree with you, but I think the reasons are different, and that’s all I’ll say, at risk of sparking a backlash.

  • sojourner #110 - December 10, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    You want proof that they haven’t broken up and things are still the same?

    Here it is — There is not a flurry of friends from either side suggesting to any and all that will hear that

    1) they are broken up,
    2) that they ran off to Vegas for a quicky because they are just too sexy for St. Paul’s
    3) Wiliam is pregnant

    You say the rumors about on the internet? Sure! But no friends are saying it…

    :lol:

  • Lisa #111 - December 10, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    ked,can I be brutally honest here for a moment? I really enjoy your postings,however I sometimes feel like you are messing with us. You write these vague posts that appear to include some privledged information,yet you never respond or engage in much discussion about what you have posted. I feel like last night you dropped some “hints” in your post that might have caused a stir and when it really didn’t,you return today and sweeten the pot. Is it a coincidence that you posted the very same night that the poster from the other site visited us and in your post you pointed to William spending time with lady Natasha. No one really took the bait and now today you return and suggest in the same post that Kate met with William’s “suits” for a possible prenup and then you suggest that they have suffered a falling out. I am truly confused. Are you messing with us? The folks at the RT? Both? I would really love to hear some response from you.

  • Iva #112 - December 10, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Touche’ wm4king !! Well spoken.

    My desire to see W&K marry is huge. I have tried to stay positive re: their current relationship status, but… Kate being out and about, looking fabulous and happy without PW nary in sight does make me question if something is amiss…..
    The rumour mill states they have been together but have we actually seen this?
    Kate does look smashing doesn’t she?

  • Clover #113 - December 10, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Iva,
    Kate looks good. If PW isn’t around,then it really isn’t holding her back in anyway. Kate seems happy living her life.

    william4king,
    What charity gala and what club with Harry? Please give links to articles and/or pictures.

  • Rman #114 - December 10, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Good Night All

    Clover, I think william4king is talking the Starlight Charity event.

    Guys we go through this every year, if the couple’s not seen out together in awhile then people start to think they are on a cooling off, broke up etc. We should know that this time of the year we really don’t see the couple often. They are usually in the country with family and friends. Last year this time we didn’t see the couple much and then suddenly they were seen leaving a club, remember that? We later found out they spent New Years together at Birkhall and was seen arriving back. If we don’t see the couple this month then we may see them next month. This time of the year their appearences are very rare.

  • Clover #115 - December 10, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Rman,
    Thanks! Sweet dreams!

  • Phoebe #116 - December 10, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    They were also reportedly seen dining out together twice in October. No pics, though.

  • kat #117 - December 10, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Hello All,
    Ked is a poster who makes a lot of sense, but then again makes no sense. There was the time that a reference was made to a street. To my knowledge the reference was never explained. I do agree oln a couple of points. I think that whether William and Kate like it or not people are very much aware of them. With the pulling them in different directions, it is probably just as well for them to lay low. However, I fear that the press is putting undo pressure on them. The comments section either opposed or for the union muat cause them to pause and wonder about how they bring about such strong feelings. I am glad to hear so many people on this site are in their corner. All will come down to their love for each other and the announcement. I am certainly routing for them.

  • really? #118 - December 10, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    lisa i hope ked does answer your questions

    he does seem to have insider knowledge and then information about various trips he takes \

    but nothing solid to hang your hat on

    sort of like karagiosis

    i wonder though – i REALLY dont think it is lady nats for him, i just dont see it – i think if htere is someone else – it is someone else- but not him

    bryony daniels her best friend was once linked to him in university and she seems to be in hiding of sorts – maybe her?

    what about jecca’s engaqement ?

  • Phoebe #119 - December 10, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Well, if there is “someone else”, which I seriously doubt, then KM is well shot of him. What a loser!

  • Lisa #120 - December 10, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    really? ked won’t answer my questions. He never does. It’s disappointing but that is his choice. As for his ‘inside knowledge”, I would not get too excited about that. One of the things ked said in one of his recent posts proved something to me.

    I don’t believe William is involved with anyone other then Kate Middleton at this time. If he were, people would know and the press would get wind of it.

    Look,if William and Kate are together and happy and end up married that is great. If they end up parting ways, none of our lives will change,only theirs.

    Moreover,with the way the press goes on and on about William and Kate and a possible engagement, don’t you think it would be easy for the PR folk to end all the speculation by simply saying the couple have decided to part ways?

    As for ked,I am in no way saying he is a fraud or a liar but his inability to back up his claims,as vague as they are goes along way,IMO. That coupled with a boo boo he made in a recent post leads me to draw my own conclusions.

  • benny #121 - December 10, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    Lisa- what kind of boo boo do you think Ked made? Tell us…..

  • Me #122 - December 10, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Wills is flying in

    PRINCE William has passed crucial flying exams, leaving him free to make his keynote speech at next week’s Millies.

    Talented Wills, 27, was last night said to be “relieved, pleased and exhausted” after getting through the tough tests as part of his training to become an RAF search-and-rescue helicopter pilot.

    A St James’s Palace source said: “It’s a pretty tough course with a relatively high drop-out rate – but he came through it reasonably comfortably.”

    Wills had promised bosses he would only leave his base for the awards if he passed the tests.

    The next step in his training involves learning specific rescue techniques.

    A spokesman for St James’s Palace said: “He is delighted that he can attend the Millies.”

    Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2767297/Millies-founder-Prince-Charles-pays-tribute-to-Armed-Forces.html#ixzz0ZLduYJLv

  • really? #123 - December 10, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    ok I think i figured out where kate was coming from on Saturday November 1st first thing in the morning and it wasn’t from a pre nup meetinG!

    Her BFF Trini Lough was married on October 31st in malbourough – wiltshire – chapel
    now why kate would have come via airport doesn’t make much sense to me? nor alone?

    IF she attended the wedding then that is where she was coming from that morning

    so ked…….. what sayeth you?

  • Hello Royal watchers #124 - December 10, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    I have been reading your posts and been a watcher of your site for about a year now.

    I was looking to see if anyone had posted this, but from my research I see nobody has. =)

    These are fake paparazzi photographs taken by professional photographer Alison Jackson.
    I love the art and concept, and I know they are contreversial or might be made to make the RF look bad. I just thought they were rather interesting. so no hate involved, I am not a troll.

    The first one was in this month’s esquire magazine. I find the similarities between the look-alikes and actual people rather alarming but the idea behind it is what you make of it.
    Prince William and Kate:
    http://www.alisonjackson.com/images/gallery/images/william_and_kate.jpg

    Diana:

    http://www.alisonjackson.com/images/gallery/images/diana_finger.jpg

    I wish her pictures showed the royal family in a better light, but then again it might be just how the tabloids exploit them and the pictures are representations of that.

  • Wm4King. #125 - December 10, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Clover wanted to know about What charity gala and what club with Harry? Please give links to articles and/or pictures.

    Charity: Prince William meets 11-year-old Sophie Roberts (2nd on the right) whose dream to be a popstar was made true when she sang for guests at the party, with Kate Middleton in the background

    Party time: Pippa Middleton is pictured at the Starlight Children’s Foundation party, while Prince Harry is seen leaving Raffles in Chelsea – he was joined by brother William, Kate Middleton, her parents and her sister

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1216468/Kate-Middleton-queen-good-cause-little-help-Mum-Dad-Pippa.html#ixzz0ZLw6bxRv

    So you see they have been out together and on holiday together.

  • Rman #126 - December 11, 2009 at 12:15 am

    Me, thanks for the link. That’s why we haven’t seen the couple out lately is because of his training. He most likely would have been at the recent charity event with Kate to support Van & family but he simply was busy with the training.

    I look forward to seeing William & Harry at the Millies.

  • Clover #127 - December 11, 2009 at 12:18 am

    William4King,
    Thanks for the links! :)

  • kat #128 - December 11, 2009 at 12:30 am

    I was reading about the paparazzi, privacy, and the royal family. In the articles, they talk about the royals, Kate being followed all the time. Don’t you think that if something were going on with them that the news would have gotten wind of it by now? It would seem to me that someone would have gotten pictures to show that he was with someone else or visa versa. To me that shows that they are still together and as happy as ever.

  • NYme #129 - December 11, 2009 at 12:55 am

    Hello everybody,

    sorry but I totaly agree with Lisa about Ked but couldnt explain it so well with my few words in englis.

    One example: wills and kate had diner at the Locanda-ottoemezzo (an italian restaurant in kensington at the end of september) here is the link towards a photo when they leave the restaurant and they took wills’ waiting car. There are two more photos but I just post one to prove.
    http://img38.imageshack.us/i/dailystarsept202.jpg/

  • NYme #130 - December 11, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Ked said : It has been noted that PW has spent at least two weekends over the past two months at so alled house paties but it was established that KM was not in attendance.”

    Really, and noted by whom? Never heard of this story. Very easy to throw rumours on the web with stories like this. Kate was out and about in london without william when he was working hard for his flying tests. Quite simple. Not very difficult to understand. And if her girlfriend trini married on the 31 october, maybe it’s because she was back to london from scotland on the particular date, because she was expected to attend the wedding later on the 31 october. Dont you really think william ask kate to come to scotland to tell her he wanted to split? What do you think? He called her on the phone and said kate, hey come to birkhall I have something to tell you ?

  • really? #131 - December 11, 2009 at 1:28 am

    oops got the date wrong onher arrival
    thanks NYME -

  • bluefire #132 - December 11, 2009 at 3:47 am

    i think the privacy issue is okay for the royals i agree on that part and i think that kate middleton is tired being fallowed all the time…

  • blossom #133 - December 11, 2009 at 4:14 am

    HAPPY HANNUKA

  • Me #134 - December 11, 2009 at 5:41 am

    Rman said: Me, thanks for the link. That’s why we haven’t seen the couple out lately is because of his training. He most likely would have been at the recent charity event with Kate to support Van & family but he simply was busy with the training.

    I look forward to seeing William & Harry at the Millies.

    ***

    Not only was he finalizing his training and examinations in Shropshire, but Princes William and Harry are patrons of the HVS Foundation.
    Kate was photographed with one of the members of the foundation, Sophie Carter, outside, inside, in the cab.
    Think about it.

  • Me #135 - December 11, 2009 at 5:42 am

    Happy Hannuka blossom.

  • bluefire #136 - December 11, 2009 at 7:48 am

    Happy Hannuka everyone

  • Lisa #137 - December 11, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Great to hear Wills passed his exams. I suspect we will have a photo sighting of the couple soon!

  • Rman #138 - December 11, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Happy Hannuka.

    I think sometimes we do get worried when we don’t see the couple out together in awhile because we go down this same old road every year. So far they haven’t hit a bumpy road like they did in 07 and I’m happy about that. Despite the training they manage to keep it all together and that’s beautiful. I’m sure they have a few little rough moments like all couples do but they don’t seem to let it come down to actually splitting. I don’t think they ever want to go through that again and I don’t blame them.

  • Rman #139 - December 11, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Lisa I hope so too.

  • benny #140 - December 11, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Does anyone know what Jecca Craig is up to? She broke her engagement, and there was one photo after that of her looking happy. Does anyone know where she is or what she does with her time?

  • Me #141 - December 11, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Benny, Jecca Craig’s future husband has to have it her way, live in Africa.

    Quote
    She has told her friends in Britain, where she is studying for a degree at University College London, that she has cancelled the wedding because Crossley does not share her aim of returning to Africa.
    Unquote

  • Phoebe #142 - December 11, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Yeah, except her father said that was baloney and the reason for the breakup was that she wanted to finish her education. I think her father might know more about it that alleged “friends” allegedly talking to a tabloid reporter.

  • Me #143 - December 11, 2009 at 12:29 pm
  • benny #144 - December 11, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Why would getting married prevent Jecca Craig from finishing her education? What her father said doesn’t seem to make sense. But if she is in London going to school I guess if she and PW were getting together on a private basis someone would have a photo of it by now, right?

  • Me #145 - December 11, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Yes, and it would look bad on PW, KM and _____. So IMO its a no no, they know better.
    Signed: Tiger Woods.

    Anyway, I personally do not think PW is going out with any other woman, only Kate.

  • Rman #146 - December 11, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    benny, William & Jecca have been friends for some time now but thats it. William is with Kate not Jecca. Sadly for Jecca the tabloids have been placing her together with William for a longtime now and I think that still causes her a little embarrassment.

  • benny #147 - December 11, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    It just struck me as odd when PW blew off his cousin’s wedding to go all that distance to be at Jecca’s brother’s wedding. With all the smokescreens put up around Kate and PW it is
    impossible to know what is really going on. I guess we will just have to keep waiting and hoping for the best for all of them, whatever that is. I personally am rooting for Kate, as she seems extremely sensible and well-mannered. And she must love him, because why else would you put up with all the drama?

  • Me #148 - December 11, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    Yes, all the drama and Windsor baggage. Think they have an understanding, secret engagement, synonym.

  • Rman #149 - December 11, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    benny I know, when Peter & Autumn got married there was soo much speculation on why William wasn’t there. I think people forgot that William & Peter are very close and William made sure he was at Peter’s stag party but William most likely had long time planned on going to Jecca’s brother wedding and Peter already knew and understood that. Kate was there in William’s place and it seems like everything worked out perfectly. People just made such a big deal about it.

    The couple is soo quiet about everything that if very often leads to speculations by the media and on the internet. I think there is a great deal of love between them or else they would have ended the whole thing long ago. All we can do is hope for the best and wish them all the luck in the world.

  • Rina #150 - December 11, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    This is off topic, but I just ran across this old article from earlier in the year exploring the ancestry of Queen Charlotte. I found it very interesting, and it wouldn’t hurt to move away from all this KM+PW speculation to another member of the BRF!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/12/race-monarchy

  • Rman #151 - December 11, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Rina, thanks for the link. Our world has always had a major race issue. Many historical figures have been depicted as white people but when you do some major research you end up finding out that some of those depictions were wrong. Like Cleopatra was a black Queen but she is always painted as a white woman.

    I don’t know if anyone here knows this but William & Harry do have african roots through their mother’s side of the family. I think this was found out when Diana made her official visit to America in 96. She found out that she was related to former General Colin Powell through the Spencers Jamaican roots. She started to call General Powell, ‘cousin Colin’.

  • n02va15 #152 - December 11, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    I still believe if W & K were still together we would have seen some photos. K being out by herself and looking fabulous is a bad sign for the relationship.

  • Rman #153 - December 11, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Kate has been out with their friends to charity events but William have been busy with his training. The boy just past his exams. We will probably see them out soon. Everyone look happy as ever so no I don’t think there’s trouble in loveland. This time of the year we really don’t see them much though.

  • Lisa #154 - December 11, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Ok so if I am understanding this…if a woman who is in a long term relationship goes out with girlfriends and looks fabulous,then it means her relationship is in trouble. Alrighty then.

  • ginger #155 - December 12, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Rina – great find !! that article was very intersting and to be very honest not something i had ever read before *i call myself a well-read person* and i am always thankful when people like you post an article that gives me something else to think about. so again thanks – l

  • bluefire #156 - December 12, 2009 at 6:08 am

    i think that Kate is doing a charity of some of her friends i think that a pretty good sign that is doing as a future queen of England when she marry prince wills and i think that prince William is busy in his duty..

  • Katharine #157 - December 12, 2009 at 7:26 am

    Benny, I totally agree with your assessment of Kate. As for William missing his cousin’s wedding, I think it was a matter of what plans were made first.

  • sojourner #158 - December 12, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Rman,
    If indeed Colin Power and Diana Spencer were related, it need not be that Diana has African roots. In fact, it is possible, in this case certain, that Former General Powell has British ones. If Prince Harry married a lovely Japanese princess and had children, it would not give Prince Charles Japanese roots.

    In other words, just because two people are related, it does not mean that they share all genetic material.

    Having said that, a British Princess with African ancestry would be even more revolutionary (and welcome) than the election of the newest US President.

    And BTW…
    While there is much evidence to support the fact that ancient Greece borrowed and innovated on many facets to ancient Egypt (and not the other way around), Cleopatra’s Royal lineage was decedent from Macedonians (Alexander the Great’s people). So she herself might have been another Colin Power, a child of (at least) two ancestries.

  • Rman #159 - December 12, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    We are all connected in some way, that’s the beauty of the human race.

  • Iva #160 - December 12, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    I wish we had pictures of them at the movies today :(
    Hope she was wearing blue! Love her in blue.

  • really? #161 - December 12, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    please don’t let me be connected to prince charles ! Tee Hee

  • Hale #162 - December 12, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Sojourner, with regards to your post at: 110

    I quote:
    1) they are broken up,
    2) that they ran off to Vegas for a quicky because they are just too sexy for St. Paul’s
    3) Wiliam is pregnant

    Brilliant! :laugh:

    really? at post: 123

    Yes, Trini Lough got married. Trini Lough is one of Kate’s best friends. Lough also attended the Tenacity film with Kate. The time Kate was spotted at the airport it is likely that Kate was returning from Lough’s wedding. If PW also attended it is likely that he flew back to base.

    Also, Ked you surprise me. You know as well as I do that there are no pre-nups in the UK. As a Briton I am even surprised that you used that phrase as I always associate pre-nup as an Americanism. Whereas over here we would describe it as a pre-marital contract which are not legal in Britian.

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