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Prince Harry to Attend Brit Awards – CBS News
The British prince will attend the annual awards show for the first time next week, according to Sean, as part of a PR onslaught to modernize the royals. His girlfriend, Chelsy Davy, will also be in attendance…
Princess Beatrice put through her paces – Daily Mail
The young royal donned pink boxing gloves for an energetic workout in the capital’s Green Park, as part of her training for the London marathon in April…
Prince Harry named top gay icon – Examiner
Prince Harry has just been named a top gay icon, thanks to his bad-boy good looks and athletic physique. “Red hair is getting very, very trendy in the gay scene”…
Prince Charles was a ‘gruesome child’ – Telegraph
The Prince of Wales was described as a “gruesome child” in a letter written by the Queen’s cousin recalling how he took pleasure in watching her have a painful blister lanced…
February 9th, 2010 11:41
I hope it is not true that Harry is attending the Brit Awards. The Brit Awards can be quite raucous. There is usually someone who wants to make a point.
John Prescott, former deputy prime minister had a bucket of water thrown over him and I think, but not sure, that it was Jarvis Cocker who mooned Michael Jackson.
Hardly fitting for a member of the RF.
As for Chelsy accompanying Harry………God Bless & Save the Monarchy.
February 9th, 2010 12:43
It looks fitting for both H&C, they seem to be the perfect choice of ambassadors to UK music. They did make sure to get tickets for the X-Factor. So I do see them enjoying the job of hand shaking, etc with music celebrities.
February 9th, 2010 13:06
I look forward to seeing Harry at the awards and if Chelsy is there too, well I hope they both enjoy the evening.
Now we know which royal will open the Marlborough school later this month-it’s the Duchess of Cornwall. Surprise!!
http://tinyurl.com/yckgf6j
February 9th, 2010 13:45
LOL, thanks for the !!!Surprise!!! Rman
February 9th, 2010 14:11
Hello,
My wife has just telephoned to mention that BBC “The One Show” haqs just broardcast an interesting piece about PW and KM and the problems she may have in becoming Queen.
It may well be on BBC web site later.
February 9th, 2010 14:21
Hello,
Try
http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow
in an hour or so
February 9th, 2010 17:00
Hi,
Thanks for letting us know about The One Show Ked. I live in America so I couldn’t see it but I just took a quick look on the Twitter boards and it seem like James Whitaker was pretty nasty towards Kate (like always), I think he rather enjoy trashing Kate everytime he get a chance to. If I’m correct, it seem like David Dimbleby came to Kate’s defence and mentioned the snooty class issue. I just find it all so sad that the media put Kate through so much and she have no voice to defend herself. I’m sure she try to ignore these petty things but I think it hurt her at times. It’s good that she’s into yoga. Again, I haven’t seen the program so I don’t really know what was said.
February 9th, 2010 17:12
Though I understand the trepidation at the level of taste and good sense shown in award shows such as the Brits, at the same time it does seem that if you are going to have a monarchy, they will have to slum it sometimes.
Kings and Queens did show up for parts of Carnival, if I recall…
February 9th, 2010 18:05
They might post the one show on youtube – someone might keep an eye out and put up a
link if there is one – sometimes you can’t watch shows from the BBC website without paying a fee. Or they might show it again on BBC America.
February 9th, 2010 18:23
Rman, JW keeps talking about breeding and social class, he may in fact create in this actual society a PSCHOLOGY INVERTED FACTOR if he keeps on repeating this to the mass media.
In other words, people may endear to her.
February 9th, 2010 18:37
BritishMonarchy
Gallery: Prince Harry, in his role as newly-appointed Vice Patron of England’s Rugby Football Union, meets… http://www.royal.gov.uk/LR
13 minutes ago from Royal Household
February 9th, 2010 18:53
BritishMonarchy
Gallery: Prince William meets disabled servicemen prior to the Six Nations rugby match between England and… http://www.royal.gov.uk/LQ
about 1 hour ago from Royal Household
February 9th, 2010 21:20
Me,
Therein lies the source of Kate’s popularity. So it has already happened despite JW. It is old news. Remember how you all responded to the Uncle G story?
February 9th, 2010 21:44
Prince Harry’s charity boss Kedge Martin has hunger for the job.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/7198139/Prince-Harrys-charity-boss-Kedge-Martin-has-hunger-for-the-job.html
February 9th, 2010 22:23
And how would you respond to UGG’s story.
February 9th, 2010 22:29
My mother watched a program with Whitaker and she couldn’t stop laughing! She finds all royal reporters prepostorous (sp?) as they become more royal than the royals themselves. But she does agree that Whitaker does have many OLD contacts as in the old guard at BP and he most likely represents the feeling from the ’suits’ or those that run the monarchy behind the scenes.
Regardless of snooty opinion the only thing that would hold kate back would be William – no one else – the others can position and move in a direction but William makes the decision in the end andhe has proverd a la Sand r that he won’t be pushed or take any reason from others even if he is shooting himself in the foot from a decision and the way it is made and played out….
so expect a roller coaster until he decides it is time
and no god love her i don’t think Kate can decide that time at all
February 9th, 2010 22:36
What I notice is that many people who talk about Kate not being right for William, she don’t have the breeding and she won’t be able to handle the job, have all missed the main point. It don’t seem like William care for the old world standards that these people apply to a potential future royal princess/queen. He’s found someone that he loves and trust.
Also Kate has gone through a lot for William and the establishmet. She has been very discreet about her relationship with William. She’s a major supporter of his military career and royal duties (the qualities Britain should want in a future Queen) and she’s very simply giving him the love that he needs. Lets face it my friends, she qualify for the position of William’s consort. The major problem is that the media don’t print these qualities enough. They print too many speculations/rumors to sell their papers and now some people are just plain nasty when Kate’s name is mentioned.
I’m interested in hearing-
1. What should be done to turn all this around?
2. Should we just ignore the pettiness or should we be worried about this issue?
February 9th, 2010 22:37
rman i agree with you thatwilliam doesn’t care about that crap at all..he really doesn’t and the more james whitaker says that crap the more william will stick by her
February 9th, 2010 22:47
from dean piper’s website
http://www.deanpiper.com/
Prince Harry and Chelsea Davy continue to look more in love than ever before in this current reunion of their on/off relationship. My spies spotted them at Chelsea’s Bumpkin restaurant this week enjoying an intimate dinner. My snitch reveals: “They were really low-key and cool and kept going outside the front for ciggies.”
The pair left via the back entrance to avoid paparazzi snaps of them together. I’m told Harry in particular is being extra vigilant when it comes to snappers catching him out on the town drinking. “Harry’s been told to stop being caught leaving nightclubs and being pictured,” says my guy in the know. “He’s not going to venues where paps lurk these days. It’s fine if he’s on Royal visits but he wants his private life to remain private.” I hate to say it Harry – but you’re a Prince and unfortunately you have to lump it!
February 9th, 2010 23:05
Guys here are some ITN Source videos of William & Harry arriving at the six nations game:
http://tinyurl.com/yc52fou
February 9th, 2010 23:20
thank you for the post RMAN very interesting to watch prince william
he has really come into his own
he has taken his seriousness and broodiness and has translated that into relationship with the people he meets … i am most impressed with him …
i strained my eyes for the pan shot of the game but did not see any of pw and ph’s friends….
February 9th, 2010 23:26
I wonder why they arrived seperately.
February 9th, 2010 23:30
i wondered that too phoebe
espcially with cost cutting measures???
only thing i can think is protocol
queen arrives last kind of thing
February 9th, 2010 23:31
really?, I just think these royal correspondents need to wake up and smell the tea leaves brewing. They are too stuck in the past and they should take a long hard look at the people that the crown princes & princessses of Europe are marrying. Letizia, Maxima, Mary, Rania, Marie, Mette-Marit- none of these women were brought up to be prepared for a life behind palace walls but they are now doing a great job in their royal positions. So this whole idea of singling out Kate from being qualified to be William’s wife is totally beyond absurd.
February 9th, 2010 23:35
You all are welcome. I think they were coming from two different places. The royals do that from time to time, they often meet up at an official engagement.
February 9th, 2010 23:40
me,you hit the nail right on the head. Just go to Twitter and do a “Kate Middleton” search. people are on her side and think JW is “harsh”. I personally find the man to be a terrible snob who someday will kiss up to Kate. LOL.
February 10th, 2010 00:26
what i meant by holding kate back i meant from the monarchy itself not the love between them or possible marriage
February 10th, 2010 01:10
I understand what you are saying really?. The ‘men in grey suits’ pretty much approve of Kate. Over the course of her relationship with William, Kate has been given the chance to met many behind the palace walls. They probably feel bad that she have to deal with a bad group of tabloids. The British tabs are known to be very ruthless when they want to be. It’s known that William’s team is very warm towards her and she’s no stranger to many on the royal estates. She’s just going through a hard time with the media, while conducting a long courtship at the same time. She’s handling it all like a pro though but the media and bloggers don’t acknowledge this at all. That’s one major problem here, she don’t get the ‘way overdue’ recognition that she deserves. I wish some of these royal correspondents would elaborate on this more in their articles.
February 10th, 2010 04:10
Rman, the ‘men in grey suits’ you speak of just might be separated into two camps. After all, James W must be getting his stuff from somewhere.
My guess is that there are a number of ‘dyed in the wool types’ who may well wish to see the old traditions carry on, the old sticklers who really don’t want any kind of change at all.
Well, the thing is, times have changed and everyone has got to move forward.
really? I agree, the only person holding things back is William. Like I’ve said before, he will get there eventually. He just needs a bit more time.
February 10th, 2010 04:38
there a lot of kate middleton in twitter i think she no twitter
February 10th, 2010 06:44
http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/201001282829/best-matched/celebrity-couple/valentines-vote/1/
prince wills and kate middleton are nominated
February 10th, 2010 07:57
The thing that amazes me about people like JW and others who are keen to find William a more “suitable” wife, is what short memories these folks have. I feel like these people are wishing for a repeat of history…a prince married to a “well bred”, “perfect choice” for a princess, while his heart is elsewhere. That,as we found out is a recipe for disaster. people like JW need to shut their mouth and let the man choose his own wife!
February 10th, 2010 08:18
Thumbs up Lisa
February 10th, 2010 08:47
Obviously Whitaker is starting to worry,Me. Too bad. Soon he can pucker up to HRH The Princess William
February 10th, 2010 08:53
Whitaker will, when KM and PW marry, smile, curtsy and proclaim “No hard feelings, your Majesty, eh? A bloke has to make a living now, doesn’t he? We can’t all be born with a silver spoon…” betraying both this crassness and class (or lack thereof, depending on how the term is used).
February 10th, 2010 09:08
JW is such a snob. Who does he think he is anyway. Yes, lets think about breeding… look how well PC & Diana ended. He is an ass. (sorry but that is all I could think of that perfectly describes JW). KM will make the perfect Queen for PW. You know PW seems like the type that if they push him too far – I could see him leaving the crown for PH and moving away w/KM – maybe to Mystique!!! Just like the papers are saying – KM wants to be like Margaret!!
February 10th, 2010 09:26
Is Whittaker becoming more vocal than normal? Seems like he’s been on the scene a lot lately. Could mean that he and others think that no marriage is planned.
February 10th, 2010 09:36
I think that all that matters to JW and his ilk is this ‘breeding’ thing. The future princess should come from the ‘right stock’ etc.
I distinctly remember watching an interview he did some time back. He said that he didn’t think it was at all important for William to marry for love. As far as he was concerned, it just wasn’t really a matter for consideration. Other things come before love for him, obviously.
February 10th, 2010 09:38
People rarely complain about things that are not going to happen,Phoebe.
February 10th, 2010 10:32
Phoebe,
That is what I think. Whitaker was silent for many years and then all of a sudden he is screaming from the rooftops. Why?
Lisa,
Then why hasn’t there been an official engagement or a royal wedding then? So I guess nothing has happened, unless you know something we do not? Do tell!
February 10th, 2010 10:40
Whitaker has not been silent for many years. He takes very opportunity to bash Kate. Fact, his opinion does not matter. My opinion does not matter. Only William’s opinion matters. When William and Kate are ready,they will make the announcement. Until then,Whitaker can spew all the snobbery he likes to whomever wants to listen. It won’t change anything.
I have no inside information and never have claimed to. It is my opinion that things are ready to roll. Soon.
February 10th, 2010 10:49
Good Morning,
Folks James is just repeating his own thoughts about who William’s wife should be. He have this old way of thinking without realizing this is what made the late Princess of Wales so unhappy. We know that Charles loved Diana but his heart was with Camilla. Diana use to tell her friends, “I got the throne and Camilla got my husband”. William’s heart is with Kate because he have known her for a long time now. They went to college together, graduated together and now they are growing older together. They have to learn that William is now allowed to fall in love and isn’t pressured by the palace to marry a woman from a titled family. That’s the old stiff world and it’s long gone.
I just can’t wait for all of this to be over with and Kate will be able to move on from being the longtime girlfriend to royal consort. That’s what need to be seen here, her having a royal career, showing her personality and just connecting with the people. You will then see a different set of attitudes over the internet and even in the papers.
February 10th, 2010 10:53
Don’t worry Phoebe & Clover, it’s coming my friends.
February 10th, 2010 11:01
“People rarely complain about things that are not going to happen.”
True. But if Whittaker and the other dinosaurs are afraid of being kicked to the curb for good, what better way to show that he is still relevant than trumpeting his ideas about proper “breeding” in a future queen when he thinks there is no immediate danger of his being called on it.
February 10th, 2010 11:16
I guess we’ll just have to “wait and see”
February 10th, 2010 11:20
phoebe & really? @ 22 & 23 my guess is PW & PH arrived seperatley for security reasons. this is done in america with the pres and vp so maybey the rf would also do so.
to paraphrase from shakespear’s hamlet – me thinks whittaker doth protest too much…. about kate
February 10th, 2010 12:22
LOL, I bet Camilla paid JW.
February 10th, 2010 13:18
The thing is Phoebe, James Whitaker don’t care what other people think of his views. He’s not in the game anymore, he’s retired. He has his views but in no way reflecting the thoughts of those currently behind palace walls. Kate is doing fine, the only thing that she faces (but most likely ignore) is the old world snobbery of royal corresponents and posters who think they know what’s best for William. Trouble is many of them have never met Kate and don’t know who she at all.
Ingrid Seward and Judy Wade has taken the time to recognize Kate’s efforts to be seen (as much as she can) a supportive woman for William and his royal position. She comes from a loving and supportive family and the royals seem to really like her, including Charles & Camilla. The talk of her not being of the right ‘breeding’ is totally irrelevant and James Whitaker should be ashamed of himself for talking about William’s companion in that manner. He wouldn’t do that in front of William, that I know.
February 10th, 2010 13:45
If anyone is interested, here’s a video and photo gallery of The Countess of Wessex doing a series of engagements in Suffolk.
http://tinyurl.com/yk98wa9
She really do balance out being a wife, mother and working royal very well. I feel like William & Kate will do the same.
February 10th, 2010 14:37
Rman,
you sayin’ Whitaker offers his views for free?! I somehow find that doubtful. If he is being paid, he does care what others think. As any expert, it his job to be convincing, or to provide that every important “other side” to the media. Thus, he must take a position, and in this context, a controversial or strident one can provide most exposure.
Yes, terribly cynical of me, but you know what is said: just because your paranoid does not mean your crazy.
February 10th, 2010 14:57
What I’m saying is that he have this snooty attitude and will express this attitude at any given time. He’s interviewed because he’s a veteran royal correspondent but his views on Kate is totally unnecessary and rude.
February 10th, 2010 16:00
lisa you are making me smile!!!!
February 10th, 2010 16:41
Hello,
I have seen the replay of the One Show interview and I will say that JW was a little crude in his forthright condemnation of KM but unfortunately it is a view held by many in the older aristocratic families including many, yes many senior members of the RF.
I’m sure that many of you will remember that I have in several posts mentioned the attitude of many senior relations of PW. It is not that they do not like KM, many, if not most, really like her and are very conscious of the good effect she has on PW.
However they are also conscious of the fact that if she and PW get engaged and marry then KM holds precedence over all except HM, Camila and the PR. This is something that they are not able to accept or have not been bred to accept and do not know how an untrained KM will use that power. Will their places at court be threatened and will their position be replaced with persons of similar background to KM.
To many of us that may seem a simple and non important happening but to many, shall we say ’second rate’ royals and aristocrats who for generations have been in prestigious and influential positions it may seem threatening.
We do not know for certain but there is no evidence that KM has received coaching or even advice on the protocol of being in such a powerful position and the rememberance of how PD and the DofY behaved is ever in the thoughts of many of these people.
I do believe that it has been mentioned to PW and is affecting his decision making. It may not be enough that he and KM are in love and there are many historical relationships that have floundered under similar circumstances.
Marriage is very much a partnership for evereyone but when one is a King elect the support of family is paramount and may conflict with ones duty to a partner.
I am afraid that the longer the indecision and prevarication continues the greater the strain of this problem on PW becomes and therefore the easier it may become for him to take an easy way out and stay single for many years. He may even have taken that decision hence the lack of progress.
I am certain that the above played a great part in his SAR decision to gain time but this again may flounder as in 2012 the Rescue Service is to be divorced from the Military and become a private enterprise and PW’s position within a private company may (even will) not be acceptable.
( Perhaps that may bring forward my 2014 date, which again may be wishful thinking).
My wife and I are looking forward to going to a preview at the Odean L.Square of ‘Valentine’s Day’ Any of our American posters seen it as it has been out in the States for several months?
February 10th, 2010 17:07
Interesting and food for thought post Ked.
February 10th, 2010 17:07
I am thinking about William’s “Wait and See”
February 10th, 2010 17:13
“I do believe that it has been mentioned to PW and is affecting his decision making.”
If that is the case, then KM would do well to give him the heave-ho and right quick. However, I really don’t believe he is that small-minded.
February 10th, 2010 17:37
Ked my friend, are you telling us that Kate is a major threat to the royal establishment? Lol, Lord help us here today.
The day Kate becomes William’s wife, she will be officially his future Queen Consort. She will be by his side for many royal duties and he will be by her side for many royal duties. They will fly the flag for Britain together. Kate is not a threat to the British establishment, she has shown that she has nothing but respect for it and accept the lifestyle.
Me, I’m too thinking about William’s-”Wait and see”.
February 10th, 2010 17:40
Proof is in the pudding. PW is seen with KM in most of the most important personal events that are not directly related to the RF. I believe it is his way of clearly stating that she “ain’t going nowhere.”
For all the morbid deliciousness of Gothic scenarios about aristocratic intrigue, I am much more of the belief that the wait is at least partly about timing. At first, being able to be unencumbered by Royal duties at first. Later there might have decided on the need of securing some form of professional (non-royal) remunerative employment. Finally, it might also have been about when will it be most appropriate to bring a new royal into the fold, with all that that entails. Nothing nefarious — no unnaturally jealous Charles, no Greek Choir of Ancient Families foreseeing doom — but rather a matter personnel and resources.
Another part maybe be, just maybe, that once they get married, it will be all about the presence or absence KMs “bump” (aka o-d-i-o-u-s reference to pregnancy). Though of course, we have seen reference to those already
February 10th, 2010 18:07
Ked
Valentines day does not come out until Friday in the states..
February 10th, 2010 18:08
The fact that Andrew and the Yorkies noses might be put out of joint if William marries KM is of no consequence to Charles (although it may be to HM), and Anne and Sophie have too much sense to care. Don’t know about Edward. Why would anyone else matter?
February 10th, 2010 18:24
Hello,
Hi Rman,
Not to the Royal Establsihment but to members of the establishment.
Without quoting names or occasions I believe that the emnity has occurred either directly or indirectly towards KM and/or her family.
Agreed?
February 10th, 2010 18:25
Ked,
Excellent post! I liked it very much.
PW has yet to officially propose to Kate Middleton. She is still his girlfriend and so I think PW is going to “wait and see” – his words.
February 10th, 2010 18:27
James Whitaker doesn’t have to suck up to anyone. He is no longer a journalist. He has retired from that and mostly does television work which keeps him busy. Occasionally he may be asked to write a column, but that is as a freelance.
JW is in my opinion a snob. I don’t think he would argue against that. His contacts are good because even before becoming a journalist this in part was the world he was educated and socialised in. So I understand their are many who may not like what he has to say, but I would never dismiss him.
Ingrid Seward and Judy Wade on the other hand DO suck up. They have to. Their living depends on it.
As for KM taking precedent. That would only happen if KM was to become Queen.
Her majesty changed the rules when Camilla married into the RF. The Princess Royal now takes precedent over the Prince of Wales wife and every other female in the RF except the Q of course.
The Q also instigated the rule that only those who married into the RF have to curtsy to Princes & Princess’ and of course everyone has to curtsy & bow to the ruling monarch.
Although I do have the strong feeling that God forbid if anything happened to the Q tomorrow and PC became King, hell would have to freeze over before Princess Anne curtsied to Camilla.
Clover, NO I haven’t forgotten Uncle GG. The press are strange animals. If they sense a story could be worth more after the would be nuptials then they do occasionally store it.
Never forget, the press had the Squidgy Gate tapes for sometime and they also knew about PC & Camilla for a long time as well as Diana & Hewitt. It was after the Morton book the lid was lifted.
February 10th, 2010 18:41
Prince Charles practices Chi King Whilst trying Chi;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250000/Prince-Charles-practices-Chi-Kung-whilst-trying-Chi.html
Oh, and for anyone in the states who is interested – I see that on Encore! Drama channel they are showing again “Diana; The Witnesses in the Tunnel,” about the last group of photographers who saw Diana alive the day she died and the events just before she died. It’s on 5:00 AM Saturday the 13th.
February 10th, 2010 18:51
I just can’t wait for next year to roll around.
February 10th, 2010 18:55
Prince of Wales Duchy Originals slumps to loss;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/7197421/Prince-of-Waless-Duchy-Originals-slumps-to-loss.html
The Queen coulc help prevent future credit crunch;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/7202665/Queen-could-help-prevent-future-credit-crunch.html
February 10th, 2010 19:05
What do you guys think of this story:
http://tinyurl.com/y9ftbea
February 10th, 2010 19:35
i think pw let wait and see makes me think he cant decide who and what will he will make his proposal
February 10th, 2010 19:51
Poor William.
Why can’t he serve on active duty with the RAF as long as he is not in a war zone?
February 10th, 2010 20:05
LOL – “hell would have to freeze over before Princess Anne curtsied to Camilla” – that is priceless Hale
I would not be surprised if PW
a) decided to train to fly jets or
b) left service to be a full time working royal when the S&R goes private in 2012.
February 10th, 2010 20:14
Hello,
Rman, when I mentioned it earlier in my post I knew it was already an open secret and known to Government since the last defence review.
It is yet again a pointer to the naive decision made by PW without consultation with even his advisors. Had he have mentioned it to his staffers they could have confirmed the short term viability of training in SAR Sea Kings which will be obsolete by 2013 in favour of the American helicopter of choice.
OR:
Perhaps PW did know and it was his exit strategy but gave him that little extra time to what ……….sort himself out or….?!
Whatever the senario I’m sure KM wll have words once they meet up especially as I understand she still awaits a visit to effect the delivery of the gifts sent from ‘down under’
Royal lovers live such strange ‘in absentia’ and informal bunking lives, certaily not to my taste (or self presevation) as I know my first stop after travel overseas under pain of the bull of excomunication or the hot irons!
February 10th, 2010 20:23
i think they will announce it soon as the all we need to is wait
February 10th, 2010 20:59
Even if PW knew about the privatization of the SAR operations he still could have wanted to join. The private organization will not take over 100% on day one; most likely there will be a transition period between the RAF and the private sector. During this time PW will still get to fly/save lives. That would give him 15-18 months before being totally out of the SAR business. He is not the only person in this situation. I am sure the RAF has a plan for what to do with all of their highly trained SAR pilots once they are out of that business. PW could also just leave the RAF early. I believe Edward left a branch of the military early, so it would not be the first time it was done.
Instead of the decision being naïve, it may turn out that it was a sly move that keeps his relationship with K very private……
February 10th, 2010 22:41
“Marriage is very much a partnership for evereyone but when one is a King elect the support of family is paramount and may conflict with ones duty to a partner.
I am afraid that the longer the indecision and prevarication continues the greater the strain of this problem on PW becomes and therefore the easier it may become for him to take an easy way out and stay single for many years. He may even have taken that decision hence the lack of progress.”
the bottom line is that she may well put her people in but i doubt it, he seems a follower to me not an action person.
I think that regardless of what this has and will all cause william could still marry kate even if the others dont want her … look we have camzilla (oops i mean the duch herself camilla!)
so whatever worry everyone has history can be re written for the lifetime of the royal s– now how they are truely remembered and written about in the history books well that is another question!
in my mother’s words we have survived much worse prince’s of wales and we will survive more if we have to because we are monarchists…
February 10th, 2010 22:43
ked i would be most interested to know how his advisors had NO IDEA he made application to FULL TIME duties …. someone had to know william doen’t just apply and ask the sanr to keepin under wraps between him and them … it just doesn’ thappen that way
someone knew other than william
February 11th, 2010 01:00
ked,I am truly baffled by your need to sell this “nobody knew Will was joinning the SAR” story.The man is followed 24/7. This story is just not plausible. Your need to drive this stuff home so to speak,coupled with a curious, yet guised desire to discredit the personal relationship between Will and Kate, makes me ponder your identity. You claim facts that only persons very close to Kate and William would know. Curious,indeed.
I am still in camp “wait and see”!
February 11th, 2010 01:25
People, people! I have been following this site for a few years now, but haven’t posted anything so far.
I can’t help but wonder why people are still gving Ked any credit?? He used to post here as Will, now he’s here as Ked, constantly claiming he knows stuff which is laughable, as is his ‘gentleman like’ way of speaking, cough cough. I understand it’s appealing when there is someone at a forum who seems to be in the know, and at the start it made me look forward to his post, but after all this time I find it just annoying and not much else…
Just my two cents, sorry if I offended anyone. I don’t want to attack anyone personally (yes, I know I just did) I just don’t like to be played around with.
February 11th, 2010 01:42
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/10/top-bun-s-a-big-hit-with-fly-guy-will-115875-22031640/
February 11th, 2010 08:56
Haha – love your post Rachel!
Sorry Ked – but you do get annoying w/all your grand information and then you will not let us know how you know all this info. Ked is probably KN!! or better yet maybe Ked is PW himself!!! 
February 11th, 2010 09:27
Thanks kd.
Well, considering his previous nickname on BRW I’m opting for PW. 
February 11th, 2010 09:37
I really really disagree with this outing of people with their postings either on this website or bringing where they post on other websites.
Whether ths is the truth or not about Ked I think it is time to layoff people …. we are all anonymous and I think it should stay that way, I also think the hunting down of people from site to site or on a site is dispicable (sp?) Leave people to post how and when they want.
February 11th, 2010 09:38
and if it goes against ‘rules’ leave it to the moderator/owner to deal with and if you must out someone do it in a pm to the owner/moderator…
February 11th, 2010 09:42
Ked if you could comment on how PW appylied and was accepted to SaR secretly i would be most open to an explanation — this is simply to get it straight in my mind — not to show you to be wrong….
February 11th, 2010 09:43
you are cracking me up lisa with the ‘wait and see’ bit
February 11th, 2010 09:45
do gifts like that get given? or are they archived?
“she still awaits a visit to effect the delivery of the gifts sent from ‘down under’”
February 11th, 2010 09:45
What is the DAY that mostroyal couple engagements are announced — a monday?
February 11th, 2010 09:52
folks,keds post are usually narratives consisting of bit of” information” disguised in riddles at time. Some have suggested some connection to a media house. Given the fact that William is rarely pained in a positive light and Kate is painted as a victim one might think of the phrase “hell hath no fury as a woman (or man in this case) scorned….
February 11th, 2010 10:09
Lisa Ked was right when he said why Kate was alone on the Saturday morning in his riddle
February 11th, 2010 10:10
Really? I am in full “wait and see” mode as this is the time of year when most engagements are announced and if it is to be this year,it is likely we will hear something very soon. I remain positive until the next few weeks pass and then I will accept that this is not the year.
In regards to ked,when someone continually posts what comes off as “privileged” information and fail to back it up or even respond to an inquiry, people are going to become skeptical that they are being led down the garden path. Lets face it, who would really know if Kate was awaiting a visit from William with gifts? Unless ked is someone very close to Kate or knows someone very close to Kate,then his information is false. We all need to remember to take these things with a grain of salt no matter how much we want to believe or not believe what is being said, much like reading tabs.
February 11th, 2010 10:10
Saturday morning? Not sure what you mean.
February 11th, 2010 10:44
Queen Elizabeth II was officially engaged (public announcement) JULY 09, 1947.
February 11th, 2010 10:56
Good Morning,
My friends, Ked often give us riddles and sometimes we just won’t agree with him at all but we shouldn’t be outing anyone on this site. Lets just keep the peace and keep the family of this site together.
February 11th, 2010 11:38
Sorry guys, I didn’t mean to offend.
On a completely different note, you know what suprises me? You know her uncle Gary said about the wedding in that tape: ‘yeah, they’re talking about announcing it later this year’. When he said that I thought: ‘that’s it, it’s gonna be a 2010 wedding.’ I mean, why would he lie? He must have heard it from his sister right?
That’s why I’m thinking it will be announced soon. What surprises me though is that the tabs don’t seem to have given much notice to that phrase. I mean, if I were a tab I would be referring to it constantly in my articles… ok, it’s not solid proof they will anounce it (and, admittedly, the ‘later this year’ has come an gone) but still…
February 11th, 2010 11:51
I did find it foretelling that the uncle let the cat out of the bag so to speak.
I wonder why he thought that?
is it on off all the time as in they set time andthen it doesn’t work with the olympics or whatever
how solid are these things when someone decides they will marry and they tell family there is an iniment engagement wih the royals?
how does it work?
February 11th, 2010 12:00
How do we know who UG meant when he said “they”, as in “they are talking about announcing. . .”, etc.? He could mean his neighbors, the tabs, people in general.
February 11th, 2010 12:01
He also could have been talking through his hat to impress.
February 11th, 2010 12:09
He did talk definately about them, Pheobe, because they were talking about W&K and the reporter said ‘is there going to be a wedding?’ and he said ‘yeah, I think so, there talking about announcing it later this year.’ I don’t think he was just trying to impress them, because he was so specific. I mean, he was of course bragging the whole time, but he could just have said ‘yeah, sure they’re gonna get married, it’s a definite’ or something like that. ‘they’re talking about announcing it later this year’ is quite detailed and beyond bragging I think…
February 11th, 2010 12:10
sorry it’s phoebe, not pheobe
February 11th, 2010 12:15
Actually if we pay attention to what he said, he said that it was being said in the papers that an announcement was coming in the fall. He really don’t have that kind of information, he just repeated what the tabloids were printing.
February 11th, 2010 12:17
I don’t know Rachel, I just think he was repeating the tabloid info. The guy was setup pretty badly.
February 11th, 2010 12:28
Rman, I thought, when he said ‘they’re talking about announcing it…’ he meant W&K, or the family? But that’s a good point, maybe he meant the tabs, I hadn’t thought of that!
February 11th, 2010 12:34
he may have been on something at the time which would make timing that he indicated rather loose as it were…
I should have said welcome to the site rachel
welcome!
February 11th, 2010 12:40
Hale,
The press can be funny about when and how they present the news!
I really need everyone here to give me a working definition of the word “Snob.” No one in my social cirlcle uses the word and I am not sure why some groups use it and others do not.
I guess the best place to start is to ask those who use the word to define it.
Thanks!
February 11th, 2010 13:10
Clover, I don’t say ’snob’ too much but that’s what Jame Whitaker is making himself out to be. I would usually describe his views as- stuck up, arrogant, or pompus. I could use some street words but why go there?.
February 11th, 2010 13:27
All this talk of Kate Middleton not having the correct breeding to become a member of the royal family – surely she has no different a background as Sophie Wessex ?
February 11th, 2010 14:47
Kate Middleton spotted bargain-hunting in London
http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities-news-in-pics/15-01-2010/52985/
February 11th, 2010 14:51
Sorry, Old news
February 11th, 2010 16:14
Clover, the term snob in the way JW uses it is that Kate is from a lower middle class background. Kate is not from one of those old landed families and is not aristocratic enough for JW.
Before writing off JW, I always interpret him as someone who is strongly pro-monarchy and as someone whom would like to see William marry someone from the RF’s social circle.
With regards to what Ked is saying. How I interpret some of his posts is that the public at large did not know that PW had intentions to train with the S&R on a full time basis.
I agree with Ked on that because I had read that there had been a plan in place in order to introduce him to full time royal duties. This has been proved by some of the same posters on these boards when they were kind enough to share the leaked Treasury documents. Why should there be a treasury document accept to help finance his office, tours and duties.
However, this never came to fruition because as we now all know PW chose to train with S&R so there was no need of treasury financing and consequently PW shares an office with PH and Charles pays for that.
As for S&R privatising, I too have heard about that. Also, I am disgusted with our current government who is slashing the defence budget even further. Madness when you consider the terrorist threat plus the fact our troops are in Afghanistan.
To date the RAF have escaped the previous drastic cuts of the defence budget, but not this time and S&R comes under the jurisdiction of the RAF.
All of the above is not secret information, it is publicly known by all those who are interested in defence issues and those who are curious in not just Royal news, but government news also.
What you have to try and understand is that the government in this country is essentially the Queen’s government. Individually they are all jigsaw pieces.
In my opinion, Ked is merely piecing together some of the jigsaw pieces.
February 11th, 2010 16:51
is that pic of kate old or at bicester with hello magazine
February 11th, 2010 16:53
sophie was not lower class like carole and her grandmother>>> that is thev difference
nor did she have an uncle she visitecd that ran a prostitution and drug ring
February 11th, 2010 17:10
Thanks really? for welcoming me!
February 11th, 2010 18:24
What would be the difference between Sophie’s background and Kate’s background? Wouldn’t it be similar from a class standpoint?
February 11th, 2010 18:28
When I use snob, I am referring to individuals who consider their tastes, their backgrounds, their economic status, their lifestyles as it were, superior to all others. The reasons for their own sense of superiority might vary. However, it is often, though not always, related to being born with access to such superiority. You can certainly acquire or affect snobbery, and I see the aforementioned journalist a case in point.
February 11th, 2010 18:30
Do we even know anything about Sophie’s grandparents? All I’ve ever heard is that her father was a tire salesman and her mother a secretary.
February 11th, 2010 18:34
The Countess of Wessex’s father was a salesman. Her mother was a secretary. I cannot detect the class difference. If anything, her upbringing was more strictly middle class than KMs. Perhaps there is a subtlety I am missing?
February 11th, 2010 18:35
did not mean to repeat your claims Phoebe… did not see your response first.
February 11th, 2010 18:40
really?, are you making reference to CMs family having mining stock? That makes them rather more heroic than much of the other possible mates PW might select from… though my own anarchist ancestry might color my feelings about this
February 11th, 2010 18:52
Whether true or not, it is commonly believed in the US that John Kelly, father of Grace, was denied entry to the Henley Regatta because he had done manual labor as a bricklayer, even though at that time he had started a successful contractin business. This was in 1920. Maybe things haven’t changed all that much in some quarters.
February 11th, 2010 18:58
i think that sophie and kate background she i similar i guess they are commoner
February 11th, 2010 19:20
Kate is regarded from a lower middle class family because of her parents previous professions. Carole was an air stewardess and Michael started off as a steward later becoming a pilot. Also they are new money.
Sophie, her father is of Middle Class origins therefore she was termed middle class.
Did you know that Thane Bettany the father of actor Paul Bettany who is married to the actress Jennifer Connelly was Sophie’s Godfather?
really? I do not care for Uncle GG either.
In my previous post I wasn’t trying to explain the word snob in its general meaning, but instead trying to explain how I perceive JW uses it when talking about Kate.
In other words if W & K were to announce their engagement tomorrow, JW may put a brave face on it but I believe he would prefer it not to happen.
February 11th, 2010 19:40
Here are some stories.
http://tinyurl.com/y9ftbea
http://tinyurl.com/y8lyoq8
Kates gift to William. Saucy.
February 11th, 2010 20:07
I am interested to know whether the poster named “Penny” is still around, or whether she has been banned?
February 11th, 2010 20:11
Rman, Hale, Sojourner,
Thanks for defining the term snob for me! Your comments were insightful!
February 11th, 2010 21:06
DM has an article up saying the best age for a girl to get a wedding proposal is 27. Is that how old Kate is?
February 11th, 2010 22:07
AJ, Kate is now 28. Her birthday was Jan 9th. William will be 28 on June 21st.
February 11th, 2010 22:12
Hale,
Tire salesman ranks higher than air steward or pilot?? Moreover, the Middletons at least have are of solid middle class background going back several generations — not so Countess Wessex own family. I guess we will have to disagree on that one.
What we will probably not disagree about is that what even sticklers might consider perfectly appropriate, even fortunate, for a fourth son, is not the same that is seen acceptable for the heir.
And yet, PW distances himself from the sticklers every time — I think he follows both his mothers and fathers advice on that one.
February 11th, 2010 22:17
Prostitution ring… really, really?
Countess Wessex herself (not an uncle) has some history of being less than discrete with her own charms… and being “exposed” by tabloids in an attempt to embarrass and derail her relationship with the RF.
And in her case, once again, the RF, just as in the case of KM, rallied strongly behind her, as they should.
February 11th, 2010 22:47
Sophie is the 11th cousin once removed of her husband, through their common ancestors Nicholas St John and his wife, Elizabeth (née Blount). She is also of Welsh and Irish ancestry, through her father and mother respectively; as well as being a descendant of King Henry II of France. Sophie’s paternal grandmother belonged to the house of the Viscount Molesworth.
From Wikipedia.
February 11th, 2010 22:59
And all that blue blood will out, eh? Whereas the Middletons are only solicitors since the early 19th C.
February 11th, 2010 23:05
Guys, I think the point is that no woman is better than the other. Princes are marrying for love and could care less about their backgrounds. By the way, William & Kate have an ancestor in common too-
http://www.etoile.co.uk/Columns/Ken/080120.html
February 11th, 2010 23:23
Hi Hale,
Thanks for your explanation in 120! Excuse me for my ignorance, but I’m extremely confused about the socio-economic system in the UK. I think it has more to do with the terminology than anything. I will try my best to do my own research, but I have a few questions for you or anyone else. For example, you said that Kate is regarded from a lower middle class family because of her parents previous professions. So, being an air stewardess is considered a lower middle class job? Also, in regards to JW, let’s say KM was not working for her parents, but instead a doctor or a lawyer. Would that she be judged on her merits or family line?
How is CD regarded in the UK? Or is she exempt bc she’s not British? Lol, this is why I shy away from discussing the princes gfs…gets a bit complicated. I’ve just never understood why the press continues to endorse KM being “middle class”, when in my view she’s not. Discount stores or not, many of us can’t afford the things this girl buys. She may not be “old money”, but she definitely comes from money. My point is, is the issue with her class really that serious? I’d rather judge a person by their character as oppose to her family line. I guess it’s bc we here in the states love the “rags to riches” stories,lol. JMO.
February 12th, 2010 00:21
Hi Shelly,
I really don’t get into the whole ‘class’ issue because the royals are marrying men and women that they are in love with and pay little to no attention to what class they are from. There’s still some stuck up royal watchers that think the royals should marry within their station but that’s not the case anymore. The European royals are now moving with the times.
Unfortunately Shelly, people pay very little to no attention to the fact that William found someone that he loves, supports him and his royal role. The samething can be said for Harry & Chelsy.
I look forward to reading more of your posts and welcome to the site Rachel.
February 12th, 2010 04:23
Shelly, if KM was working for a doctor or lawyer it doesn’t mean her class goes up. Also, class isn’t just about your profession it also incorporates your educational and financial background and to some degree your history.
Also, I never said that KM was lower middle class, I said her family is regarded as lower middle class. KM is regarded as middle class.
Chelsy Davy is regarded the same as KM.
Sophie’s father comes from a solid middle class background. Yes he was a tyre salesman, but the way some people say that conjures up images of some old guy trying to entice passers by onto a car lot. That is not the case. He worked for a company.
February 12th, 2010 08:41
This is what’s available in the net
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/features/The-Leeds-connection.1760281.jp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1163716/Revealed-Secrets-Middletons-money-Kates-ancestors-fortune.html
February 12th, 2010 08:48
And this one to
http://www.wargs.com/other/middleton.html
And this would be about Kate’s mom side, the Goldsmith
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-424446/Kate-coal-miners-girl.html
February 12th, 2010 08:50
So in conclusion, Kate’s ancestors daddy side where rich Upper Middleclass, whilst the Goldsmith mommy side where poor.
February 12th, 2010 09:10
Quick question from an ignorant American…Hale I think you could help me out here. The Midds are millionaires, correct? In the US they would certainly be considered “upper class”. Middle class here are hard working Americans who often times barely get by w/2 pay checks coming into the family. “Upper middle class” are households bringing in more than 150K $ or so. I think the confusion lies in the translation. If the millionaire Midds are middle class, what are average UK citizens considered? “Lower class”? (For lack of a better word)
February 12th, 2010 10:41
Me….your first link didn’t lead anywhere. As to the other information you provided clearly something went awry with the Middletons, because he wasn’t privately educated and he was previously an airline steward.
So the Middleton’s may have been upper middle-class at one time but eventually were demoted.
keysmom, class in England or in Europe for that matter is not purely based on income.
The average Uk citizen IS considered working class. This also used to be divided into two groups. Upper working class and then lower working class. However, since poverty is on the rise here, this has become lower class and underclass.
Over here a family with two pay checks coming in could be anything over here, except underclass.
As I said, class is not defined by just money. Educational background, your profession also comes into it and the Middletons would be termed as New Money.
Meanwhile, as Ked informed us that James Whitaker was on the one show, I just watched it and wrote down what he had to say and it was this:
JW: “I don’t thing she has the background or the breeding and I don’t mean it in a snooty way. I just don’t think it is there….within her to cope with the position of being Queen.”
Dan Snow (Brilliant Military Historian so God only knows why he was interviewing JW) Asks, words to the effect, surely these are modern times they can marry whom they want.
JW: She is not just marrying William if she ever does. She is sort of marrying all of us and we have to approve. I think a lot of people do, but I think there are a number and I must admit I’m one of the leading ones who puts big question marks up on whether she is capable of pulling off that role.”
David Dimbleby, who is usually called upon to do the commentary at royal weddings and is also a respected political journalist and has fronted some excellent documentaries on Britain, was also on the One Show and he was asked his opinion as to what James Whitaker said and basically rubbished JW’s comments.
He also voiced the point that he was appalled to have read/heard that people were critical of Carole Middleton because she was an air stewardess. Actually it was that which had me siding with Kate. I’m British. We love an underdog.
February 12th, 2010 10:46
The dichotomy may be that while the British love the underdog, we’re not too keen on the nouveau-riche! Displays of new wealth, in whatever shape, form or manifestation, are still considered a tad vulgar.
February 12th, 2010 11:05
Again, James Whitaker is focusing on Kate’s family background but is totally missing the main point. Kate has been the number one woman that has supported William all these years. She loves him, support his military and royal career and has remained silent despite the rubbish people have made up about her. The girl has proven over and over again that she can handle the royal role of William’s future Consort. I just wish people would start recognizing this and stop all this rubbish about her family’s background.
February 12th, 2010 11:23
Sorry,but her family’s background, in the broadest and deepest sense, is important. JW’s comments should not be dismissed as snobbish or anachronistic or erroneous.
February 12th, 2010 11:24
Rman: Thanks for your assessments. I agree it shouldn’t matter
Keysmom: Thanks for posting your question. I also had the same confusions.
Hale: Thanks you so much for post 133, but especially breaking it down in post 138! Makes a lot of sense now. Also, I understood you the first time around (about her family being regarded as middle class). I looked back and realized I didn’t phrase it properly. Lol, sorry.
Ok, I think where the differences/confusion “possibly” lie, is here in the states we don’t have a specific “working class”, bc everyone works (most of the time), lol. Everything is based on income/profession. So are there are lower class, working class (upper-lower), middle class (upper-lower) aristocrats, and royals? Also, I think another confusion is that here a lot of things are based on your parents’ employment or your own employment. We have a “class” system as well, depending on who you are and where you live. However, one’s profession or his parents profession tends to override a lot of things. But as I said, I think US-UK might have different terminology for the same things.
Thanks again for you assessment. I agree with you about JW. At times, he makes me cringe when talking about KM, but I don’t disregard what he says. There’s tons of situations here in the States, where we expected qualified politicians, athletes, public figures, etc to succeed….instead they ended up disappointing us. Besides, I tend to read between the lines of a lot of things. I sense that he has other issues with her that he’s not publicly acknowledging? But once again, I say, he should judge her character not her family line. And I agree, I tend to go for underdogs as well, lol.
February 12th, 2010 11:35
JW, like a number of other journalists whether they work for the tabloids or for the more serious papers, probably has information that he cannot reveal about KM and her family. Remember that nine-tenths of the iceberg is below the surface!
February 12th, 2010 11:46
JW said: “I just don’t think it is there….within her to cope with the position of being Queen”
I think JW is talking about Kate’s personality, just that there is NOT ENOUGH personality in Kate
sometimes i fear he could be right, Kate seems to live some kind of shadow life…a year after year…
February 12th, 2010 11:57
Camilla’s retro bag with the Queen’s face
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250408/Camilla-arrives-charity-fashion-class-handbag.html
February 12th, 2010 12:52
“I think JW is talking about Kate’s personality, just that there is NOT ENOUGH personality in Kate
sometimes i fear he could be right, Kate seems to live some kind of shadow life…a year after year…”
That’s because the public don’t know her personally. Due to royal protocol, Kate isn’t allowed to accompany William on official engagements and get a chance to meet the public. A while back I mentioned that there should be some kind of plan for Kate to accompany William on some outings, like some charity events or at least an official function. This way Kate will be seen more than just a long-time girlfriend but a more supporting role as a future princess. The woman has a personality. If you look at her pictures over the years, you will see a very lively person who loves to laugh, takes her time to talk to you and people always seem to enjoy her company. The sad part is that the public don’t get a chance to experience this for themselves. So much time has past without knowing her, people have had a chance to grow bored with her. So it’s very unfair to say that she don’t have a personality, it’s there but the public just don’t know much about it.
Even with all the pictures we have seen of Kate over the years, we still have so much to learn about her. Her thoughts, feelings and opinions are pretty much unknown to us. There must be something beautiful there about her that has kept William by her side since they both attened university. He has taken her around his family (Windsors & Spencers), his friends and she even spends time with Charles & Camilla over the New Years breaks. Don’t forget that Charles taught her how to shoot at Balmoral. Kate just remains the unknown woman that has stolen a princes heart but sadly people don’t just don’t take the time to understand that. They want another Diana and they must face reality that there will never be another Diana. Kate will show her own qualities and bring that to her role. After their marriage, it will take some time for her to grow in her royal role but she has William and he will be by her side through it all.
Kate just need a chance and I hope that everyone will not throw her to the side. There’s something special there, we just have to get to know it.
February 12th, 2010 13:13
Thanks Rman for your speech for the defense.
February 12th, 2010 13:17
Sqn Ldr,
I agree with your 100%!
Shelley/Rman,
I really believe that there are two ways to look at social class in any country, the US or England. You can see the reality of it. That is that there have always been hierarchical structures in all societies and there will always be. They exist and they do matter. All people in all societies are not perceived identically no matter how much you believe that they should be, they simply are not.
Or as you both have chosen to do, imagine a society without any distinctions at all between people and promote that dream in your conversations. It is your choice. I admire you both for trying to create a world where all people are judged by character and nothing else, and where all people are treated identically no matter who they are or where they come from.
Shelley,
There is indeed a “ruling class” in the US. Blue collar, middle class, upper middle class, and upper-upper class groups are not just divided by actual salary and profession. There are some real cultural norms, values and so forth that separate these groups.
February 12th, 2010 13:24
May I just note that a journalist discussing “class” has none. As for class accreditation, those with the most class mind least. It is, in short, rather vulgar to notice someone’s class background, let alone to refer to it or to judge someone on that basis. Whitaker is about seventy years old and past it because unlike the queen, he hasn’t grown and still harks back to days of yore.
Actually, even to remark on the language that someone is using, to take the trouble to worry about whether their mum was an air hostess or a hot heiress, is to take yourself down the social scale several notches. All those commentators trying to pigeonhole Kate’s mother are saying far more about themselves, far more damningly, than anything they reveal about this admirable, entrepreneurial and really incredibly good-looking-for-her-age Berkshire mother.
As for Kate herself, she obviously has tremendous poise, natural beauty and a loving family. Having been through the fire of media pressure she has retained her cool in a way that proves she is a class act.
Whitaker has no time not only for Kate Middleton , William and Harry, but for few others who don’t dwell in the Dark Ages.
Like a few other journalists, Whitaker lost all credibility years ago by operating on guess work and conceit. He comes across as a forelock tugger
Kate has at least one king in her background.
The Lupton ancestry of Kate’s great-grandmother also provides her with a claim to royal descent. Following a typically labyrinthine trail back across the centuries, Ms. Middleton’s fourteenth generation (14xg-) great-grandmother, who lived in the early 16th century, was one Anne Gascoigne Fairfax. And Anne Gascoigne’s 5xg-grandparents were King Edward III (founder of the Order of the Garter) and his wife Philippa of Hainault. That makes Kate a 21xg-granddaughter of Edward III. Anne Gascoigne was also descended from a variety of noble families including Percy of Northumberland, Neville, Mortimer, and de Burgh… a virtual “Who’s Who” of 15th century English notables.
So Kate’s background is just as solid as that of Sophie RJ.
February 12th, 2010 13:32
curious, I know some people think it’s just crazy about Kate but it’s just so wrong for people to treat this girl so badly over the internet and media. I just never seen so much dislike/hatered for one person in all my days. I do think it’s mainly due to all the years of speculations and rumors but I still find it sad. It seems like no one pays attention to the fact that William knows this woman much better than all of us and people still act like she’s nothing but a piece of garbage.
February 12th, 2010 13:32
Wm4King,
Any discussion about royalty is a class discussion. The title of King, Queen, Prince or Princess is by design to serve class distinctions. I argue that you can not have one without the other. You either have no royalty and no class distinctions or you have royalty and class distinctions.
BTW, Whitaker is a royal journalist and again the same argument applies, it would be irresponsible IMO opinion to report on royalty without reference to the very distinctions this social group is based upon.
If royalty is not about class distinctions than what on earth is it about?
February 12th, 2010 13:34
Thank W4K, my first link partially explains the Lupton ties with Kate Middleton.
I think in the IRF, there is an old thread that Fawbert did about much of what you explain in your last paragraph.
February 12th, 2010 13:42
I think an important distinction between the two classes is that the upper classes in the UK (ie. aristos) are characterized immensely by the idea that working 9 to 5 (regardless of whether you are a labourer or a doctor) is not exactly posh or acceptable (traditionally, but you can see it still amongst many of the upper class who live off of accumulated family wealth/ estates etc); a big thing amongst the upper aristos and nobles was that they wouldn’t work, and they looked at those who did (especially 9 to 5) as being very “middle class”.
Thus, to live off your land etc and not have to work or w/e would mean that you have to have some serious source of wealth and income without being in the trenches yourself… which is why KM and her family would be viewed as being middle class.
As North Americans, I think we forget that British society and culture has values and underlying structures that are RIGHT for them, but seem ridiculous to us… but North America was also built on libertarian beliefs, and meritocracy. After all, the American dream is work hard 9 to 5, get that big house with the big yard, 2.5 kids etc… it’s not the same for a lot of other societies though.
So for us, bringing in over $200,000 etc would be upper middle class etc, and being a multimillionaire would make you upper class, but our society was built by dissidents from British society- obviously they left the BE for a reason.
PS… is anyone else having a hard time posting?
February 12th, 2010 13:49
Clover, what I’m trying to get at is that William seems to be fine with Kate’s family background and so does his family. That’s all that matters. People should be gald that they may get the first future Queen to have graduated from university.
Also, people don’t dwell on the most important factors. Kate has been there for William since day one and she don’t let all the bull from the media and posters scare her off, the woman can handle the top job.
February 12th, 2010 13:59
Wm4King: have you not defeated your argument about class by mentioning that Kate has at least one King in her background? Why refer to it if you consider comments about “class” vulgar? And if you’re British or, more specifically, English you will be as aware as I am that social nuances do matter to the “upper classes”. I believe that Henry Ropner’s mother allegedly said that she didn’t want him to date KM as she (KM) was not considered of the right “class”. Like it or not, the class system does still exist in the UK!
My ancestors came over with William the Conqueror – wonder to which King/Queen I am related!!
February 12th, 2010 14:11
We know all about the class system but the royals has not lived up to the class system that they were founded by. They are as just dysfunctional as any other family.
February 12th, 2010 14:27
What a sweeping statement! Is that the Royal we? If you do not live in England and have not mixed with the “upper class”, you cannot understand what makes them tick. Sorry, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles!! Reading about them and their lifestyles is not a substitute for meeting them. It would be appreciated if a little more credence could be given to those posters who do live in England and have met such people. I never said that they were not dysfunctional; past Royal lives are hardly examples of morality and good behaviour! I do know my English history; do not lecture me on my own country. Awfully bad form, old boy!
February 12th, 2010 14:42
Rman,
I get what you are saying about Kate and her qualities. You are saying that Kate is good enough for William thereby she is good enough for the Monarchy.
I wanted to add that never has dysfunction been an prerequistie for determining who is royal or not. There is nothing that needs to be lived up to other than whether this is yoru standing or not. I think the argument of who “deserves” to be part of a ruling class is very popular with those outside of the ruling class. Dysfunction means absolutely nothing at the end of the day – you still are who you are (i.e., the King, Queen, Prince or Princess).
Sdn Ldr,
I agree! How confusing! One minute Wm4King and ME are arguing that Kate Middleton should be accepted for her character not her social class standing and the next minute WM4KING and ME are arguing that she is royal and has royal blood running through her veins. Which is it?
Does class matter to you all or not?
February 12th, 2010 14:51
you can be a hero at any class but you are still the class you are born into
sophie had aristocratic links
nt tennous ones like mike middleton
bt carole and her grandmother dumb the whole thing down with class
iw ill say this if they were proud of their background that would be great but i haven’t seen one shred of evidence that they ae
class is what you are born to and kte was not born to the same class a sophie
nor would sophies heritage be as important as that of the future mother of te king which is what she would be ….
February 12th, 2010 14:53
jobs have nothing to do with class
birth does
February 12th, 2010 14:58
It might be useful to go back and read this article from the DM:
http://tinyurl.com/yktdg64
February 12th, 2010 15:02
No, I do not live in England but I know that if the British people want the Monarchy to contine, they should accept that the royals are marrying for love now. They are not being set up with people from titled families anymore. If the prince or princess falls in love with someone that supports them, respect the royal institution and traditions and willing to serve their country and people, then the people should be happy with that. All this madness over Kate should end.
February 12th, 2010 15:04
no kate’s background is not as solid as sophie’s
it dates way way to far back
i am related to King Henry the 2nd but at best could be called upper middle class for my relation to a viscount who is living
no kate is not iam afriad anything but lower or middle class …
to my mind even wth their wealth more vast then my own they aer by birth lower than me
while shohie and i would be closer to being equals
February 12th, 2010 15:05
Rman,
Unless you know something I do not, Kate has not been asked to marry Prince William. I understand what you are saying about love, but this story is still missing a very important ending. No one knows how this story will end, so let us postpone this argument until then.
The proof is in the pudding!
Really?
Good post!
February 12th, 2010 15:06
Absolutely! And, if we wish to carry on the discussion, the Middleton ancestry is certainly more pukka than that of the Goldsmiths….
JW should not discredited because he is older man; he has long-established connections and credentials with those who lurk in the shadows of Buck House. He is trusted by them; hints and whispers of disquiet and concern would be told to him, not to a young reporter who is still wet behind the ears. “Age shall not weary, nor the years condemn…”
February 12th, 2010 15:06
kate’smarriage to the royal famiily would be the biggest leg up the royal kingdom has ever seen
but i agree with whitaker a person who i not around and living with royals has no idea about marrying the heir
if kate were proud of her mining stock then yes iw ould say she was heroic but they seem to have used everyonein their climb up
and most they dont have anythig to do with now
they are what the lower classes hate
them trying desparetely to get to the top of the food chain and act like an ass to the lower classes
February 12th, 2010 15:07
really?, Kate too has royal roots. Also The Middletons have not given any evidence that they are not happy with their family background.
February 12th, 2010 15:10
Clover @ 15, where in my post did I say that?
February 12th, 2010 15:11
Rman,
Surely, surely you jest?
February 12th, 2010 15:11
rman
if you re read my post you will see
eventhough i am related to Henry the 2nd directly this makes me not artistoratic nor uppper middle class
it is my link to a living viscoun that makes me uppper middle class
the blood as it were is …. well….diluted
February 12th, 2010 15:12
The way things are going, they will most likely get married.
February 12th, 2010 15:12
rman
they have betrayed many people and used many people to get were they are today
most of whch they will not talk to
sorry but it is documented
it worked so good on them
just not the way i would do it
February 12th, 2010 15:14
Let me put it this way Me
her blood has nothing to do with a future marriage
the whole thing rest on kate OR William accepting or giving a proposal and both have shown up to know that her birth has nothing to do with their relationship
but it would be false to say they were anything but middle class or lower
February 12th, 2010 15:23
Clover you are still missing the point. The point is that it really don’t matter if they haven’t married yet. The point is that William knows her and has bonded with her family. He don’t seem to be bothered with the fact that her class don’t match his. Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden don’t seem to care, crown prince frederik of Denmark didn’t seem to care, Crown Prince Haakon of Norway didn’t seem to care, Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands didn’t seem to care, King Abdullah of jordan didn’t seem to care, Prince Joachim of Denmark didn’t seem to care and Crown Prince Felipe didn’t seem to care. The point is you guys can scream about Kate’s family background until that fat lady sings and takes a bath, as long as William really loves her and his family likes her, that’s all that matters. The only reason why this class issue continues to come up is because people just refuse to face the reality of the new day.
February 12th, 2010 15:36
Who did they betray? and who is they?
February 12th, 2010 15:36
Rman; you don’t live in England, so please do not state what will and will not be accepted in MY country. We are not dealing with a Hollywood script. How would you like it if I listed America’s failings and suggested remedies to alleviate your country’s problems?? You can only know a country and its citizens by living in that place. When you have lived in England and have a partial understanding of our social classes, then your comments may have some grounding. Until then…
February 12th, 2010 15:42
Thanks for your reactions.
No, I didn’t defeat an ‘argument’ because I wasn’t making one. I was stating that Whitaker was wrong about Kate’s origins. You see Whitaker is very class concious because he is what is known as low born. He is not what could be construed as a palace insider either. He has been frequently wrong. He gives more opinion than fact.
When I speak or write of members of the royal families, I am not speaking of CLASS per se….but only a group of people with titles, who MAY or MAY not have a certain form of class.
I was speaking in the main of Kate Middleton at any rate.
But you cannot equate royalty with either form of class in all cases because for instance, the Swedish Royals of present day came through an election of the Bernadottes.
Then there’s class and class.You know what I mean.
Princess Margaret behaved with no class if you believe much of her history. Was she classy because she was born royal? Not in my opinion. Did she have class? Not really. Many of her maternal relatives weren’t known to be fit for court for a number of reasons, well born, monied or not. King George VI’s brothers left something to be desired in the case of being fit for polite society.
Many aristocrats have married chamber maids and actresses. So ‘class’ is all in the mind not neccessarily in the genes.
Rman is right in that William and Kate are a love match. Ancestry won’t come into it.
February 12th, 2010 15:43
What shocks me the most-is that people applied this old school method to Prince Charles. They said that he could only marry a virgin, a woman with no past and a woman from an aristocratic background. He couldn’t marry the woman that his heart belonged to so he settled for Lady Diana Spencer, a beautiful young lady who’s family’s blood is more blue than his own. He loved her as much as he could and gave the royal institution an heir and spare but his heart went back to a married woman and mother of two. This caused a big scandal that rocked the House of Windsor and had many to believe the Monarchy wouldn’t survive it. All this happened because people didn’t allow the man to marry for love. I may not be British and The Queen may not be my Queen but I would absolutely want my future Monarch to marry for love and to a woman that gives him the support that he needs to carry out his royal responsibilities. You all may go on to ignore this but despite the media’s efforts to knock Kate on her butt, she has remained loving and supportive to the second in line to the British throne. Think about that.
February 12th, 2010 15:50
Perhaps some fingercrossing, and some may meet him behind a cue of well wishers.
February 12th, 2010 15:50
Shelly you are welcome and I hope your enjoying this forum.
Sdn Ldr, welcome to the forum and by the way I too would never dismiss lightly what JW has to say even when I don’t agree with him. His sources are too good.
I also agree with what you have said, that the media do have a way of sitting on a story in order to pick out the right moment to publish it in order to capitalise on it.
Something which I am dreading because I don’t feel that PC, PW and now KM are building up brownie points.
rman, there is no way that Kate could attend official engagements with PW. That is not how it is done. They are not engaged.
Lets face it, PW isn’t looking very good for not tying the knot, some are already referring to him as a bit of a cad, therefore can you imagine if Kate were to attend official engagements with PW and then they broke up? That would look very bad for PW.
Never forget, PW is surrounded by people who have but one aim and that is to protect a future King of England. It is PW who is No.1 in their life not Kate.
As for love. With respect I don’t think it is that simple. Perhaps for you and I, but remember whoever marries PW will one day be Queen. The girl that marries PW shall not only be marrying a prince, but shall be marrying a job for life.
Andrew and Fergie did marry for love, but in the end love could not sustain them. So whoever PW does marry she better be strong, independent and someone capable of standing on her own two feet and not expect anyone to wipe away her tears. What is required is a shut up and get on with it……..or…..Stiff Upper Lip.
February 12th, 2010 15:50
Wm4King,
What you are doing is making things up and not following any standard interpretation of social class, so be it. Do what you will! Have fun!
Rman,
It does matter if Prince William marries Kate Middleton. How do we know about all this love between families? How do you know if PW is concerned about Kate’s social standing or not?
February 12th, 2010 15:54
Does 6 years give a clue
February 12th, 2010 15:58
I want to make this clear- Although I’m an American and have never lived in the United Kingdom, I fully respect the royal institution of the United Kingdom and it’s traditions. I also respect that Kate Middleton has given up a lot for love and the royal institution. I admire her for being discreet, loyal, loving, supportive and respectful to the life she just may have sometime soon. Only if others will recognize this and clear the collage of tabloid nonsense from their minds, then things would be okay.
February 12th, 2010 16:05
class is class is class
princess margaret was distasful in some of her actions and so is uncle UG
but they are not of the same class
soooooooooooo
class does not a gentleman make
but i haev met many gentleman who are aristocratic and many who are not
birth will not matter for William point blank
he has said as much
who ever he wants he will have by his side
now if he isn’t strong enough to do that
what does that say about his character….
love is the only reason william wouldmarry someone of lower birth — why else would he do it ? for jollies
the headache must be crazy to go against almost everyone who is there for the monarchy not william nor his bride as people
February 12th, 2010 16:15
“So whoever PW does marry she better be strong, independent and someone capable of standing on her own two feet and not expect anyone to wipe away her tears. What is required is a shut up and get on with it……..or…..Stiff Upper Lip.”
Hale, you just summed up Kate Middleton. It’s just that people refuse to see that.
Clover, William really don’t seem to care about Kate’s less than aristocratic background. The man has stood by her all these years and through all the mess the media has put her through. Yes, he has bonded with her family and the guy even take vacations with them. It’s known that he sometimes stay at their country home, they practically considers him to be family anyway. Long ago, a match like this would have never happened but that’s all in the past now. Also those other royal marriages that I just mentioned (did you pay any attention to that?) wouldn’t have happened in the past either but that’s all behind them now. Those women didn’t come from the aristocracy but they are doing just fine in their royal roles. If William & Kate marry, I have no doubt that she will do fine in her royal role too.
I just keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best. I also pray for Kate because people are just putting this woman through too much and not giving her the recognition that she deserves.
February 12th, 2010 16:18
What has she given up for love and for the Royal institutions? She is a not a member of the Royal Family so there are no contradictory forces at play. Her actions, IMO, are self-serving and not altruistic or self-sacrificing. If she is not considered the right candidate for William’s bride by those people whose jobs it is to protect and preserve the Monarchy, there will be no marriage between William and Kate.
Hale – thank you for the welcome!!
February 12th, 2010 16:18
by the way when whitaker refers to breeding he doesn’t just mean class
he is talking about milieu and class
going to school with artistocrats does not an aristocrat make
the dinner conversation that was reffered to by UG at the middleton household was beyond common it was vulgar … now arehteir aristocrats who are vulgar yes but as a heir and queen to be you are under scrutiny you must be above reproach….
marrying the heir is different because you have a big job to do in which you must relate to the people of the kingdom . in order to do that as an aristocrat if you like the lower classes and can interact with them ala harry and diana and somewhat wills you are reverred sooooooo having a queen who is middle class means she has to go over the top to show that she not by birth right anything but middleclass she has to show her roots adn be proud of them then people will lover her — you must do the opposite of what people think you will do by virtue of your birth . she will have to show reverance to all people … an when you are part of a noveau riche family generally that is very hard to do actually you are always trying to do the opposite
February 12th, 2010 16:25
“What has she given up for love and for the Royal institutions? She is a not a member of the Royal Family so there are no contradictory forces at play. Her actions, IMO, are self-serving and not altruistic or self-sacrificing. If she is not considered the right candidate for William’s bride by those people whose jobs it is to protect and preserve the Monarchy, there will be no marriage between William and Kate. ”
you have lost me?
If this is in response to me. I was saying that William will have to go against a hell of a lot of people who serve the monarchy not wills and that is what whitaker is saying , in marrying soeone of lower birth…. good on him but it won’t be easy and he willl need to have strength of character to do it
can it be done ? DAMN yes but it will take a lot todo and only William can do it NOT kate.
He will have to work at it to make it happen
and as is evidence to date he ain’t working too hard at it … but we will see
If Kate does not make it as bride it is not because whitaker exisits and talks on tv or that there are old aristocrats quacking in the their boots who will shove William. It wil be because he wants her there. No suits will stop him just look at the s and r … when he puts his mind to it it will happen. Now there will be those people who say that kate and william know they are to be married and she is saying no. if that is the case then i think william should move on because if he has to work to convincer her and monarchy and she isn’t sure she wants it then it could spell disaster
February 12th, 2010 16:32
ps i do however beleive the one person who is a heavy influence in his life is his father
February 12th, 2010 16:33
“So whoever PW does marry she better be strong, independent and someone capable of standing on her own two feet and not expect anyone to wipe away her tears. What is required is a shut up and get on with it……..or…..Stiff Upper Lip.”
Hale, you just summed up Kate Middleton. It’s just that people refuse to see that.
I don’t know Rman she was weeping or close to it on the video coming from a club the Queen would never weep overherself … never
February 12th, 2010 16:44
really?, Kate was in a sticky situation that night but she did not cry. She has remained strong throughout this courtship and that’s a fact.
This is what matters my friends-
http://tinyurl.com/ye6fmuy
http://tinyurl.com/y9hqke2
http://tinyurl.com/ybxylz5
http://tinyurl.com/ydff6v8
February 12th, 2010 16:46
She has been there for him and this future King seems to be happy with her.
February 12th, 2010 16:51
as i stated she either did cry or was close to it
she sounded absolutely beside herself
I have never heard the queen like that
never
February 12th, 2010 16:52
And lets not forget about these pictures-
http://tinyurl.com/yejrelp
February 12th, 2010 16:55
i find it odd rman that he is so reluctant to ever come close to touching kate in public but the times he has could be attributed to calculation in the medias eyes
behaviour does not show the heart, it just doesn’t
i could post 1000s where they look like brother and sister
and one where they kissed but appenrately had either broken up or were breaking up
what matters for the monarchy is that William marry a girl he truely loves for all her foibles and that he sticks with her through thick and thin with no wobbles and time off. If she be the one then great.
February 12th, 2010 16:55
really?, did you pay any attention to what she went through that night? Kate did not cry but that situstion was dangerous and she should have not been put through anything like that. Also don’t forget, The Queen has never been through what Kate has been through.
February 12th, 2010 16:56
rman
have you paid attention to what the queen has been through
an no she hasn’t ever displayed herself like that
February 12th, 2010 17:02
acutally you are right rman
the queen has never beeen seenwit hher sister
stumbling out of a night club at 3am in tears because photographers are following her
she has been through a world war
many children who have divorced
a woman who married into the family who
drove her to change protocol
please please don’t try to cannonize kate’s actions
February 12th, 2010 17:02
really?, you are not facing reality if you think they will not have their wobbles during their courtship and marriage. Every couple, royal or not have their tough moments. The Queen & Prince Philip have been married for years but not without their problems. There is no such thing as a perfect marriage and that goes for royal marriages too. It’s not a fairytale, it’s real life. They have come this far together and that’s what it will take for them to make it through their marriage, going through the fire together. There’s lots love and friendship between them and that’s obvious.
February 12th, 2010 17:04
really? my response was to Rman! Messages are crossing in the ether which causes confusion!
February 12th, 2010 17:04
Sqn Ldr,
re: your argument about having to be British to understand the UK
First and foremost, not all people in the UK think alike (thnk g-dness!) Thus, you can only speak for the group of people with whom you share views.
Second, proximity does not in anyway shape or form guarantee better knowledge. Study, critical assessment, and broadly based interests are the foundations of knowledge.
I can say that never knew the UK better than when I left it. Sometimes we get too close to fully understand.
February 12th, 2010 17:10
Yes, I know what the Queen has been through publically but no one really knows what she has gone through privately.
No one is trying to canonize Kate’s actions really?, I’m just saying that The Queen was born a royal so she has never had the (pleasure) to experience the things that Kate has to go through. Also Kate has never fallen out of a club drunk and in tears. It’s known that Kate drinks but never goes overboard and we have never seen her in tears.
February 12th, 2010 17:16
“Pride and Prejudice” is the best definition about UK for a foreigner.
February 12th, 2010 17:18
This is a sick.
February 12th, 2010 17:22
Sorry, a disease.
February 12th, 2010 17:24
So let me understand this, some think the Queen doesn’t use security, bodyguards?
She was harrased when coming back by train from Sandringham?
February 12th, 2010 17:26
I have fun reading the pride and prejudice theories in the royal untruth.
February 12th, 2010 17:35
Sojourner: I did not say that I was speaking for any particular group of people. If you don’t share my views, that will not have a great impact on my life.
How on earth you can make an assessment of any topic without having first-hand knowledge of the subject? You study it at close quarters, digest and process what you have learnt, and then come to your own conclusion. That is the basis of any learning from the basic GSE to a doctorate. Looking at a Giotto fresco in close proximity tells so much more than a reproduction in an art history book. If you no longer live in the UK, I wonder how you judge our present society. Distant knowledge may not be as correct as you surmise.
February 12th, 2010 17:37
Steven, I think it’s time to close this.
February 12th, 2010 17:39
UK news feed pretty much sums up whats going on.
Internet.
February 12th, 2010 18:21
So, who will light the torch?
February 12th, 2010 18:56
This *William is a cad* routine comes from RT and other ninnies.
William and Kate are in love and have a bright future. Whitaker’s words are worthless as usual. It must really gall him to see them spend so many years together and refuse to give him any insider information. All that egg on his face is unflattering. But those who don’t understand W&K’s long happiness want to cling to such off the wall bull. Let them dream.;)
February 12th, 2010 19:17
Long on assumptions, Sdn. I did not say I never visit the UK, did I? I simply said that I no longer live there.
I do believe that close study can be important, but a molecular analysis of “The Mourning of Christ” (my favorite Giotto) would not tell me much about the painting. Justify as you might, trying to silence those you disagree with by staking nativist claims to national “truths” is not something that will work in this forum. Which is why many of us enjoy reading and posting in it.
February 12th, 2010 21:14
“Yes, I know what the Queen has been through publically but no one really knows what she has gone through privately. ”
that is exactly my point
we don’t know
we don’t have to see it
but we did with kate
sorry rman but kate is nothing on our queen for duty and a sense of decorum she just isn’t
February 12th, 2010 21:19
sdn ldr
ok that makes sense !
sorry about hat
Rman — why is it you want it closed
why is it whe ideas are introduced by people they can’t be discussed
I have said nothing that isn’t my opinion and observation
I have actually basically said they will marry whether others like it or not because william asks and because kate accepts
that is what this hinges on completely
i just hitnk this rush to defend someone as being totally a strong person is jusst not true in kate’s case
she is fine don’t get me wrong
she seems nice and if she wasn’t dating the heir i am sure she would be a fine middle class girl who quietly lived her life
but she is dating THE HEIR and as such all actions are under scrutiny, such is life
and i belive that while kate has strenths one of them is not not buckling under pressure … that would be a false statement
strenghts include – tenacity, a solid education, and interezt in lands beyond her own..she has many strengths so when i llsit something i don’t agree with it is not to denigrate her it is to illustrate what i see as her …
February 12th, 2010 21:50
Wow – what a post!
It seems that cultural (US/UK) and generational (grandparents/grand kids) gaps have popped up.
One can be born into a “class”, one can have “class”, but being born into a class does not guarantee that one has class. They can be mutually exclusive or not.
As for the Queen and KM; they will never be in the same position, so to compare them is to me comparing apples and oranges. HM is the daughter of a King, the ruling monarch (not her spouse) and has been doing the job for almost 60 years. Kate, if she marries PW (and I believe she will) will be Queen because she is the WIFE of a King; NOT a ruling Queen/monarch. Because of that simple fact how can you really compare them as Queens?
One must also remember how much the world has changed since HM took the throne and how much time will pass before KM would sit beside her King. Before Queen Kate (Catherine) is crowned, Queen Camilla will get the tiara. I know, Camilla said when she married PC she would not be called Queen but in reality that is what she will be – wife of the King, a Queen.
February 12th, 2010 22:03
Hello,
Guys I’m comparing Kate to The Queen at all. really? is who brought up that comparison.
I just said that this part of comments should be closed because the comments have gone too far, 215 comments.
February 12th, 2010 22:10
oh but they will be in the same situation
and it is called characted
bottom line
character
kate is sweet
but strong no i don’t thnk so
tenacious yes
but not strong
she wept in public or damn ner it
not done just not done if you are as strong as rman is saying
February 12th, 2010 22:11
to compare people is to contrast
no two siutation will ever be the same
but to simply say they are unrelated when speaking of character
i take issue with that
February 12th, 2010 22:20
I do not see how one can say that because KM might or might not have cried in public (I have not seen the photo that is referenced) that she has no character or is not strong. The life KM has as a young woman in her 20s is NOTHING like the life HM had as a young woman in her 20s. Tabloids and photogs did not exist for HM, KM is not the daughter of a King and is dealing with bombs going off in her country during a war, so IMO judging then the actions of KM and HM when their lives from 20-28 are so different is not a sound comparison.
February 12th, 2010 22:26
agreeing to disagree is all that can be hoped for on this post. everyone has their own view, and is entitled to it. that is the thing that makes us all glad we don’t live in a dictatorship.
February 12th, 2010 22:35
mj
go back to rman ’s post
this is a bit of broken telephonne now
you seem to have not read what we were saying to each other
basically rman asserts km is the strong type to stand by william
and i am saying she is many things but not that
February 12th, 2010 22:36
again mj
no comparison of life will ever be the same
but comparison of Character can be made
this is the comparison i was effecting
not circumstance
character of which hm has plenty queen or not
February 12th, 2010 22:40
Except that you know nothing of KM’s character.
Ergo, talking through your hat.
Must have the last word, eh?
February 12th, 2010 22:48
ah
but we know
she buckled under pressure
which hm hasn’t
that is what i am talking about
nice try though!!
February 12th, 2010 22:49
gee phoebe
sounds like you maybe calling the kettle black with that one!
you always want the last word
to the poitn that it is funny to watch!
February 12th, 2010 23:01
Looks like I’ll be having the last word.
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