It looks fitting for both H&C, they seem to be the perfect choice of ambassadors to UK music. They did make sure to get tickets for the X-Factor. So I do see them enjoying the job of hand shaking, etc with music celebrities.

LOL, thanks for the !!!Surprise!!! Rman

Hello,

Try

http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow

in an hour or so

Though I understand the trepidation at the level of taste and good sense shown in award shows such as the Brits, at the same time it does seem that if you are going to have a monarchy, they will have to slum it sometimes.

Kings and Queens did show up for parts of Carnival, if I recall…

Rman, JW keeps talking about breeding and social class, he may in fact create in this actual society a PSCHOLOGY INVERTED FACTOR if he keeps on repeating this to the mass media.

In other words, people may endear to her.

BritishMonarchy
Gallery: Prince William meets disabled servicemen prior to the Six Nations rugby match between England and… http://www.royal.gov.uk/LQ
about 1 hour ago from Royal Household

Prince Harry’s charity boss Kedge Martin has hunger for the job.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/7198139/Prince-Harrys-charity-boss-Kedge-Martin-has-hunger-for-the-job.html

My mother watched a program with Whitaker and she couldn’t stop laughing! She finds all royal reporters prepostorous (sp?) as they become more royal than the royals themselves. But she does agree that Whitaker does have many OLD contacts as in the old guard at BP and he most likely represents the feeling from the ‘suits’ or those that run the monarchy behind the scenes.

Regardless of snooty opinion the only thing that would hold kate back would be William – no one else – the others can position and move in a direction but William makes the decision in the end andhe has proverd a la Sand r that he won’t be pushed or take any reason from others even if he is shooting himself in the foot from a decision and the way it is made and played out….

so expect a roller coaster until he decides it is time

and no god love her i don’t think Kate can decide that time at all

rman i agree with you thatwilliam doesn’t care about that crap at all..he really doesn’t and the more james whitaker says that crap the more william will stick by her

Guys here are some ITN Source videos of William & Harry arriving at the six nations game:

http://tinyurl.com/yc52fou

I wonder why they arrived seperately.

really?, I just think these royal correspondents need to wake up and smell the tea leaves brewing. They are too stuck in the past and they should take a long hard look at the people that the crown princes & princessses of Europe are marrying. Letizia, Maxima, Mary, Rania, Marie, Mette-Marit- none of these women were brought up to be prepared for a life behind palace walls but they are now doing a great job in their royal positions. So this whole idea of singling out Kate from being qualified to be William’s wife is totally beyond absurd.

me,you hit the nail right on the head. Just go to Twitter and do a “Kate Middleton” search. people are on her side and think JW is “harsh”. I personally find the man to be a terrible snob who someday will kiss up to Kate. LOL.

I understand what you are saying really?. The ‘men in grey suits’ pretty much approve of Kate. Over the course of her relationship with William, Kate has been given the chance to met many behind the palace walls. They probably feel bad that she have to deal with a bad group of tabloids. The British tabs are known to be very ruthless when they want to be. It’s known that William’s team is very warm towards her and she’s no stranger to many on the royal estates. She’s just going through a hard time with the media, while conducting a long courtship at the same time. She’s handling it all like a pro though but the media and bloggers don’t acknowledge this at all. That’s one major problem here, she don’t get the ‘way overdue’ recognition that she deserves. I wish some of these royal correspondents would elaborate on this more in their articles.

The thing that amazes me about people like JW and others who are keen to find William a more “suitable” wife, is what short memories these folks have. I feel like these people are wishing for a repeat of history…a prince married to a “well bred”, “perfect choice” for a princess, while his heart is elsewhere. That,as we found out is a recipe for disaster. people like JW need to shut their mouth and let the man choose his own wife!

Obviously Whitaker is starting to worry,Me. Too bad. Soon he can pucker up to HRH The Princess William

JW is such a snob. Who does he think he is anyway. Yes, lets think about breeding… look how well PC & Diana ended. He is an ass. (sorry but that is all I could think of that perfectly describes JW). KM will make the perfect Queen for PW. You know PW seems like the type that if they push him too far – I could see him leaving the crown for PH and moving away w/KM – maybe to Mystique!!! Just like the papers are saying – KM wants to be like Margaret!!

I think that all that matters to JW and his ilk is this ‘breeding’ thing. The future princess should come from the ‘right stock’ etc.

I distinctly remember watching an interview he did some time back. He said that he didn’t think it was at all important for William to marry for love. As far as he was concerned, it just wasn’t really a matter for consideration. Other things come before love for him, obviously.

Phoebe,
That is what I think. Whitaker was silent for many years and then all of a sudden he is screaming from the rooftops. Why?

Lisa,
Then why hasn’t there been an official engagement or a royal wedding then? So I guess nothing has happened, unless you know something we do not? Do tell!

Good Morning,

Folks James is just repeating his own thoughts about who William’s wife should be. He have this old way of thinking without realizing this is what made the late Princess of Wales so unhappy. We know that Charles loved Diana but his heart was with Camilla. Diana use to tell her friends, “I got the throne and Camilla got my husband”. William’s heart is with Kate because he have known her for a long time now. They went to college together, graduated together and now they are growing older together. They have to learn that William is now allowed to fall in love and isn’t pressured by the palace to marry a woman from a titled family. That’s the old stiff world and it’s long gone.

I just can’t wait for all of this to be over with and Kate will be able to move on from being the longtime girlfriend to royal consort. That’s what need to be seen here, her having a royal career, showing her personality and just connecting with the people. You will then see a different set of attitudes over the internet and even in the papers.

“People rarely complain about things that are not going to happen.”

True. But if Whittaker and the other dinosaurs are afraid of being kicked to the curb for good, what better way to show that he is still relevant than trumpeting his ideas about proper “breeding” in a future queen when he thinks there is no immediate danger of his being called on it.

phoebe & really? @ 22 & 23 my guess is PW & PH arrived seperatley for security reasons. this is done in america with the pres and vp so maybey the rf would also do so.

to paraphrase from shakespear’s hamlet – me thinks whittaker doth protest too much…. about kate

The thing is Phoebe, James Whitaker don’t care what other people think of his views. He’s not in the game anymore, he’s retired. He has his views but in no way reflecting the thoughts of those currently behind palace walls. Kate is doing fine, the only thing that she faces (but most likely ignore) is the old world snobbery of royal corresponents and posters who think they know what’s best for William. Trouble is many of them have never met Kate and don’t know who she at all.

Ingrid Seward and Judy Wade has taken the time to recognize Kate’s efforts to be seen (as much as she can) a supportive woman for William and his royal position. She comes from a loving and supportive family and the royals seem to really like her, including Charles & Camilla. The talk of her not being of the right ‘breeding’ is totally irrelevant and James Whitaker should be ashamed of himself for talking about William’s companion in that manner. He wouldn’t do that in front of William, that I know.

Rman,
you sayin’ Whitaker offers his views for free?! I somehow find that doubtful. If he is being paid, he does care what others think. As any expert, it his job to be convincing, or to provide that every important “other side” to the media. Thus, he must take a position, and in this context, a controversial or strident one can provide most exposure.

Yes, terribly cynical of me, but you know what is said: just because your paranoid does not mean your crazy.

lisa you are making me smile!!!!

Interesting and food for thought post Ked.

“I do believe that it has been mentioned to PW and is affecting his decision making.”

If that is the case, then KM would do well to give him the heave-ho and right quick. However, I really don’t believe he is that small-minded.

Proof is in the pudding. PW is seen with KM in most of the most important personal events that are not directly related to the RF. I believe it is his way of clearly stating that she “ain’t going nowhere.”

For all the morbid deliciousness of Gothic scenarios about aristocratic intrigue, I am much more of the belief that the wait is at least partly about timing. At first, being able to be unencumbered by Royal duties at first. Later there might have decided on the need of securing some form of professional (non-royal) remunerative employment. Finally, it might also have been about when will it be most appropriate to bring a new royal into the fold, with all that that entails. Nothing nefarious — no unnaturally jealous Charles, no Greek Choir of Ancient Families foreseeing doom — but rather a matter personnel and resources.

Another part maybe be, just maybe, that once they get married, it will be all about the presence or absence KMs “bump” (aka o-d-i-o-u-s reference to pregnancy). Though of course, we have seen reference to those already

The fact that Andrew and the Yorkies noses might be put out of joint if William marries KM is of no consequence to Charles (although it may be to HM), and Anne and Sophie have too much sense to care. Don’t know about Edward. Why would anyone else matter?

Ked,
Excellent post! I liked it very much.

PW has yet to officially propose to Kate Middleton. She is still his girlfriend and so I think PW is going to “wait and see” – his words.

Prince Charles practices Chi King Whilst trying Chi;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250000/Prince-Charles-practices-Chi-Kung-whilst-trying-Chi.html

Oh, and for anyone in the states who is interested – I see that on Encore! Drama channel they are showing again “Diana; The Witnesses in the Tunnel,” about the last group of photographers who saw Diana alive the day she died and the events just before she died. It’s on 5:00 AM Saturday the 13th.

Prince of Wales Duchy Originals slumps to loss;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/7197421/Prince-of-Waless-Duchy-Originals-slumps-to-loss.html

The Queen coulc help prevent future credit crunch;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/7202665/Queen-could-help-prevent-future-credit-crunch.html

LOL – “hell would have to freeze over before Princess Anne curtsied to Camilla” – that is priceless Hale

I would not be surprised if PW
a) decided to train to fly jets or
b) left service to be a full time working royal when the S&R goes private in 2012.

“Marriage is very much a partnership for evereyone but when one is a King elect the support of family is paramount and may conflict with ones duty to a partner.

I am afraid that the longer the indecision and prevarication continues the greater the strain of this problem on PW becomes and therefore the easier it may become for him to take an easy way out and stay single for many years. He may even have taken that decision hence the lack of progress.”

the bottom line is that she may well put her people in but i doubt it, he seems a follower to me not an action person.

I think that regardless of what this has and will all cause william could still marry kate even if the others dont want her … look we have camzilla (oops i mean the duch herself camilla!)

so whatever worry everyone has history can be re written for the lifetime of the royal s– now how they are truely remembered and written about in the history books well that is another question!

in my mother’s words we have survived much worse prince’s of wales and we will survive more if we have to because we are monarchists…

ked,I am truly baffled by your need to sell this “nobody knew Will was joinning the SAR” story.The man is followed 24/7. This story is just not plausible. Your need to drive this stuff home so to speak,coupled with a curious, yet guised desire to discredit the personal relationship between Will and Kate, makes me ponder your identity. You claim facts that only persons very close to Kate and William would know. Curious,indeed.

I am still in camp “wait and see”!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/10/top-bun-s-a-big-hit-with-fly-guy-will-115875-22031640/

Thanks kd. Well, considering his previous nickname on BRW I’m opting for PW.

and if it goes against ‘rules’ leave it to the moderator/owner to deal with and if you must out someone do it in a pm to the owner/moderator…

you are cracking me up lisa with the ‘wait and see’ bit

What is the DAY that mostroyal couple engagements are announced — a monday?

Lisa Ked was right when he said why Kate was alone on the Saturday morning in his riddle

Saturday morning? Not sure what you mean.

Good Morning,

My friends, Ked often give us riddles and sometimes we just won’t agree with him at all but we shouldn’t be outing anyone on this site. Lets just keep the peace and keep the family of this site together.

I did find it foretelling that the uncle let the cat out of the bag so to speak.

I wonder why he thought that?

is it on off all the time as in they set time andthen it doesn’t work with the olympics or whatever
how solid are these things when someone decides they will marry and they tell family there is an iniment engagement wih the royals?
how does it work?

He also could have been talking through his hat to impress.

sorry it’s phoebe, not pheobe

I don’t know Rachel, I just think he was repeating the tabloid info. The guy was setup pretty badly.

he may have been on something at the time which would make timing that he indicated rather loose as it were…

I should have said welcome to the site rachel

welcome!

Clover, I don’t say ‘snob’ too much but that’s what Jame Whitaker is making himself out to be. I would usually describe his views as- stuck up, arrogant, or pompus. I could use some street words but why go there?.

Kate Middleton spotted bargain-hunting in London
http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities-news-in-pics/15-01-2010/52985/

Clover, the term snob in the way JW uses it is that Kate is from a lower middle class background. Kate is not from one of those old landed families and is not aristocratic enough for JW.

Before writing off JW, I always interpret him as someone who is strongly pro-monarchy and as someone whom would like to see William marry someone from the RF’s social circle.

With regards to what Ked is saying. How I interpret some of his posts is that the public at large did not know that PW had intentions to train with the S&R on a full time basis.

I agree with Ked on that because I had read that there had been a plan in place in order to introduce him to full time royal duties. This has been proved by some of the same posters on these boards when they were kind enough to share the leaked Treasury documents. Why should there be a treasury document accept to help finance his office, tours and duties.

However, this never came to fruition because as we now all know PW chose to train with S&R so there was no need of treasury financing and consequently PW shares an office with PH and Charles pays for that.

As for S&R privatising, I too have heard about that. Also, I am disgusted with our current government who is slashing the defence budget even further. Madness when you consider the terrorist threat plus the fact our troops are in Afghanistan.

To date the RAF have escaped the previous drastic cuts of the defence budget, but not this time and S&R comes under the jurisdiction of the RAF.

All of the above is not secret information, it is publicly known by all those who are interested in defence issues and those who are curious in not just Royal news, but government news also.

What you have to try and understand is that the government in this country is essentially the Queen’s government. Individually they are all jigsaw pieces.

In my opinion, Ked is merely piecing together some of the jigsaw pieces.

sophie was not lower class like carole and her grandmother>>> that is thev difference
nor did she have an uncle she visitecd that ran a prostitution and drug ring

What would be the difference between Sophie’s background and Kate’s background? Wouldn’t it be similar from a class standpoint?

Do we even know anything about Sophie’s grandparents? All I’ve ever heard is that her father was a tire salesman and her mother a secretary.

did not mean to repeat your claims Phoebe… did not see your response first.

Whether true or not, it is commonly believed in the US that John Kelly, father of Grace, was denied entry to the Henley Regatta because he had done manual labor as a bricklayer, even though at that time he had started a successful contractin business. This was in 1920. Maybe things haven’t changed all that much in some quarters.

Kate is regarded from a lower middle class family because of her parents previous professions. Carole was an air stewardess and Michael started off as a steward later becoming a pilot. Also they are new money.

Sophie, her father is of Middle Class origins therefore she was termed middle class.

Did you know that Thane Bettany the father of actor Paul Bettany who is married to the actress Jennifer Connelly was Sophie’s Godfather?

really? I do not care for Uncle GG either.

In my previous post I wasn’t trying to explain the word snob in its general meaning, but instead trying to explain how I perceive JW uses it when talking about Kate.

In other words if W & K were to announce their engagement tomorrow, JW may put a brave face on it but I believe he would prefer it not to happen.

I am interested to know whether the poster named “Penny” is still around, or whether she has been banned?

DM has an article up saying the best age for a girl to get a wedding proposal is 27. Is that how old Kate is?

Hale,
Tire salesman ranks higher than air steward or pilot?? Moreover, the Middletons at least have are of solid middle class background going back several generations — not so Countess Wessex own family. I guess we will have to disagree on that one.

What we will probably not disagree about is that what even sticklers might consider perfectly appropriate, even fortunate, for a fourth son, is not the same that is seen acceptable for the heir.

And yet, PW distances himself from the sticklers every time — I think he follows both his mothers and fathers advice on that one.

Sophie is the 11th cousin once removed of her husband, through their common ancestors Nicholas St John and his wife, Elizabeth (née Blount). She is also of Welsh and Irish ancestry, through her father and mother respectively; as well as being a descendant of King Henry II of France. Sophie’s paternal grandmother belonged to the house of the Viscount Molesworth.

From Wikipedia.

Guys, I think the point is that no woman is better than the other. Princes are marrying for love and could care less about their backgrounds. By the way, William & Kate have an ancestor in common too-

http://www.etoile.co.uk/Columns/Ken/080120.html

Hi Shelly,

I really don’t get into the whole ‘class’ issue because the royals are marrying men and women that they are in love with and pay little to no attention to what class they are from. There’s still some stuck up royal watchers that think the royals should marry within their station but that’s not the case anymore. The European royals are now moving with the times.

Unfortunately Shelly, people pay very little to no attention to the fact that William found someone that he loves, supports him and his royal role. The samething can be said for Harry & Chelsy.

I look forward to reading more of your posts and welcome to the site Rachel.

This is what’s available in the net

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/features/The-Leeds-connection.1760281.jp

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1163716/Revealed-Secrets-Middletons-money-Kates-ancestors-fortune.html

So in conclusion, Kate’s ancestors daddy side where rich Upper Middleclass, whilst the Goldsmith mommy side where poor.

Me….your first link didn’t lead anywhere. As to the other information you provided clearly something went awry with the Middletons, because he wasn’t privately educated and he was previously an airline steward.

So the Middleton’s may have been upper middle-class at one time but eventually were demoted.

keysmom, class in England or in Europe for that matter is not purely based on income.

The average Uk citizen IS considered working class. This also used to be divided into two groups. Upper working class and then lower working class. However, since poverty is on the rise here, this has become lower class and underclass.

Over here a family with two pay checks coming in could be anything over here, except underclass.

As I said, class is not defined by just money. Educational background, your profession also comes into it and the Middletons would be termed as New Money.

Meanwhile, as Ked informed us that James Whitaker was on the one show, I just watched it and wrote down what he had to say and it was this:

JW: “I don’t thing she has the background or the breeding and I don’t mean it in a snooty way. I just don’t think it is there….within her to cope with the position of being Queen.”

Dan Snow (Brilliant Military Historian so God only knows why he was interviewing JW) Asks, words to the effect, surely these are modern times they can marry whom they want.

JW: She is not just marrying William if she ever does. She is sort of marrying all of us and we have to approve. I think a lot of people do, but I think there are a number and I must admit I’m one of the leading ones who puts big question marks up on whether she is capable of pulling off that role.”

David Dimbleby, who is usually called upon to do the commentary at royal weddings and is also a respected political journalist and has fronted some excellent documentaries on Britain, was also on the One Show and he was asked his opinion as to what James Whitaker said and basically rubbished JW’s comments.

He also voiced the point that he was appalled to have read/heard that people were critical of Carole Middleton because she was an air stewardess. Actually it was that which had me siding with Kate. I’m British. We love an underdog.

Again, James Whitaker is focusing on Kate’s family background but is totally missing the main point. Kate has been the number one woman that has supported William all these years. She loves him, support his military and royal career and has remained silent despite the rubbish people have made up about her. The girl has proven over and over again that she can handle the royal role of William’s future Consort. I just wish people would start recognizing this and stop all this rubbish about her family’s background.

Rman: Thanks for your assessments. I agree it shouldn’t matter

Keysmom: Thanks for posting your question. I also had the same confusions.

Hale: Thanks you so much for post 133, but especially breaking it down in post 138! Makes a lot of sense now. Also, I understood you the first time around (about her family being regarded as middle class). I looked back and realized I didn’t phrase it properly. Lol, sorry.

Ok, I think where the differences/confusion “possibly” lie, is here in the states we don’t have a specific “working class”, bc everyone works (most of the time), lol. Everything is based on income/profession. So are there are lower class, working class (upper-lower), middle class (upper-lower) aristocrats, and royals? Also, I think another confusion is that here a lot of things are based on your parents’ employment or your own employment. We have a “class” system as well, depending on who you are and where you live. However, one’s profession or his parents profession tends to override a lot of things. But as I said, I think US-UK might have different terminology for the same things.

Thanks again for you assessment. I agree with you about JW. At times, he makes me cringe when talking about KM, but I don’t disregard what he says. There’s tons of situations here in the States, where we expected qualified politicians, athletes, public figures, etc to succeed….instead they ended up disappointing us. Besides, I tend to read between the lines of a lot of things. I sense that he has other issues with her that he’s not publicly acknowledging? But once again, I say, he should judge her character not her family line. And I agree, I tend to go for underdogs as well, lol.

JW said: “I just don’t think it is there….within her to cope with the position of being Queen”

I think JW is talking about Kate’s personality, just that there is NOT ENOUGH personality in Kate

sometimes i fear he could be right, Kate seems to live some kind of shadow life…a year after year…

“I think JW is talking about Kate’s personality, just that there is NOT ENOUGH personality in Kate

sometimes i fear he could be right, Kate seems to live some kind of shadow life…a year after year…”

That’s because the public don’t know her personally. Due to royal protocol, Kate isn’t allowed to accompany William on official engagements and get a chance to meet the public. A while back I mentioned that there should be some kind of plan for Kate to accompany William on some outings, like some charity events or at least an official function. This way Kate will be seen more than just a long-time girlfriend but a more supporting role as a future princess. The woman has a personality. If you look at her pictures over the years, you will see a very lively person who loves to laugh, takes her time to talk to you and people always seem to enjoy her company. The sad part is that the public don’t get a chance to experience this for themselves. So much time has past without knowing her, people have had a chance to grow bored with her. So it’s very unfair to say that she don’t have a personality, it’s there but the public just don’t know much about it.

Even with all the pictures we have seen of Kate over the years, we still have so much to learn about her. Her thoughts, feelings and opinions are pretty much unknown to us. There must be something beautiful there about her that has kept William by her side since they both attened university. He has taken her around his family (Windsors & Spencers), his friends and she even spends time with Charles & Camilla over the New Years breaks. Don’t forget that Charles taught her how to shoot at Balmoral. Kate just remains the unknown woman that has stolen a princes heart but sadly people don’t just don’t take the time to understand that. They want another Diana and they must face reality that there will never be another Diana. Kate will show her own qualities and bring that to her role. After their marriage, it will take some time for her to grow in her royal role but she has William and he will be by her side through it all.

Kate just need a chance and I hope that everyone will not throw her to the side. There’s something special there, we just have to get to know it.

Sqn Ldr,
I agree with your 100%!

Shelley/Rman,
I really believe that there are two ways to look at social class in any country, the US or England. You can see the reality of it. That is that there have always been hierarchical structures in all societies and there will always be. They exist and they do matter. All people in all societies are not perceived identically no matter how much you believe that they should be, they simply are not.

Or as you both have chosen to do, imagine a society without any distinctions at all between people and promote that dream in your conversations. It is your choice. I admire you both for trying to create a world where all people are judged by character and nothing else, and where all people are treated identically no matter who they are or where they come from.

Shelley,
There is indeed a “ruling class” in the US. Blue collar, middle class, upper middle class, and upper-upper class groups are not just divided by actual salary and profession. There are some real cultural norms, values and so forth that separate these groups.

curious, I know some people think it’s just crazy about Kate but it’s just so wrong for people to treat this girl so badly over the internet and media. I just never seen so much dislike/hatered for one person in all my days. I do think it’s mainly due to all the years of speculations and rumors but I still find it sad. It seems like no one pays attention to the fact that William knows this woman much better than all of us and people still act like she’s nothing but a piece of garbage.

Thank W4K, my first link partially explains the Lupton ties with Kate Middleton.

I think in the IRF, there is an old thread that Fawbert did about much of what you explain in your last paragraph.

Clover, what I’m trying to get at is that William seems to be fine with Kate’s family background and so does his family. That’s all that matters. People should be gald that they may get the first future Queen to have graduated from university.

Also, people don’t dwell on the most important factors. Kate has been there for William since day one and she don’t let all the bull from the media and posters scare her off, the woman can handle the top job.

We know all about the class system but the royals has not lived up to the class system that they were founded by. They are as just dysfunctional as any other family.

Rman,
I get what you are saying about Kate and her qualities. You are saying that Kate is good enough for William thereby she is good enough for the Monarchy.

I wanted to add that never has dysfunction been an prerequistie for determining who is royal or not. There is nothing that needs to be lived up to other than whether this is yoru standing or not. I think the argument of who “deserves” to be part of a ruling class is very popular with those outside of the ruling class. Dysfunction means absolutely nothing at the end of the day – you still are who you are (i.e., the King, Queen, Prince or Princess).

Sdn Ldr,
I agree! How confusing! One minute Wm4King and ME are arguing that Kate Middleton should be accepted for her character not her social class standing and the next minute WM4KING and ME are arguing that she is royal and has royal blood running through her veins. Which is it?

Does class matter to you all or not?

jobs have nothing to do with class
birth does

No, I do not live in England but I know that if the British people want the Monarchy to contine, they should accept that the royals are marrying for love now. They are not being set up with people from titled families anymore. If the prince or princess falls in love with someone that supports them, respect the royal institution and traditions and willing to serve their country and people, then the people should be happy with that. All this madness over Kate should end.

Rman,
Unless you know something I do not, Kate has not been asked to marry Prince William. I understand what you are saying about love, but this story is still missing a very important ending. No one knows how this story will end, so let us postpone this argument until then.
The proof is in the pudding!

Really?
Good post!

kate’smarriage to the royal famiily would be the biggest leg up the royal kingdom has ever seen

but i agree with whitaker a person who i not around and living with royals has no idea about marrying the heir

if kate were proud of her mining stock then yes iw ould say she was heroic but they seem to have used everyonein their climb up
and most they dont have anythig to do with now

they are what the lower classes hate
them trying desparetely to get to the top of the food chain and act like an ass to the lower classes

Clover @ 15, where in my post did I say that?

rman
if you re read my post you will see
eventhough i am related to Henry the 2nd directly this makes me not artistoratic nor uppper middle class
it is my link to a living viscoun that makes me uppper middle class

the blood as it were is …. well….diluted

rman
they have betrayed many people and used many people to get were they are today
most of whch they will not talk to
sorry but it is documented

it worked so good on them

just not the way i would do it

Clover you are still missing the point. The point is that it really don’t matter if they haven’t married yet. The point is that William knows her and has bonded with her family. He don’t seem to be bothered with the fact that her class don’t match his. Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden don’t seem to care, crown prince frederik of Denmark didn’t seem to care, Crown Prince Haakon of Norway didn’t seem to care, Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands didn’t seem to care, King Abdullah of jordan didn’t seem to care, Prince Joachim of Denmark didn’t seem to care and Crown Prince Felipe didn’t seem to care. The point is you guys can scream about Kate’s family background until that fat lady sings and takes a bath, as long as William really loves her and his family likes her, that’s all that matters. The only reason why this class issue continues to come up is because people just refuse to face the reality of the new day.

Rman; you don’t live in England, so please do not state what will and will not be accepted in MY country. We are not dealing with a Hollywood script. How would you like it if I listed America’s failings and suggested remedies to alleviate your country’s problems?? You can only know a country and its citizens by living in that place. When you have lived in England and have a partial understanding of our social classes, then your comments may have some grounding. Until then…

What shocks me the most-is that people applied this old school method to Prince Charles. They said that he could only marry a virgin, a woman with no past and a woman from an aristocratic background. He couldn’t marry the woman that his heart belonged to so he settled for Lady Diana Spencer, a beautiful young lady who’s family’s blood is more blue than his own. He loved her as much as he could and gave the royal institution an heir and spare but his heart went back to a married woman and mother of two. This caused a big scandal that rocked the House of Windsor and had many to believe the Monarchy wouldn’t survive it. All this happened because people didn’t allow the man to marry for love. I may not be British and The Queen may not be my Queen but I would absolutely want my future Monarch to marry for love and to a woman that gives him the support that he needs to carry out his royal responsibilities. You all may go on to ignore this but despite the media’s efforts to knock Kate on her butt, she has remained loving and supportive to the second in line to the British throne. Think about that.

Shelly you are welcome and I hope your enjoying this forum.

Sdn Ldr, welcome to the forum and by the way I too would never dismiss lightly what JW has to say even when I don’t agree with him. His sources are too good.

I also agree with what you have said, that the media do have a way of sitting on a story in order to pick out the right moment to publish it in order to capitalise on it.

Something which I am dreading because I don’t feel that PC, PW and now KM are building up brownie points.

rman, there is no way that Kate could attend official engagements with PW. That is not how it is done. They are not engaged.

Lets face it, PW isn’t looking very good for not tying the knot, some are already referring to him as a bit of a cad, therefore can you imagine if Kate were to attend official engagements with PW and then they broke up? That would look very bad for PW.

Never forget, PW is surrounded by people who have but one aim and that is to protect a future King of England. It is PW who is No.1 in their life not Kate.

As for love. With respect I don’t think it is that simple. Perhaps for you and I, but remember whoever marries PW will one day be Queen. The girl that marries PW shall not only be marrying a prince, but shall be marrying a job for life.

Andrew and Fergie did marry for love, but in the end love could not sustain them. So whoever PW does marry she better be strong, independent and someone capable of standing on her own two feet and not expect anyone to wipe away her tears. What is required is a shut up and get on with it……..or…..Stiff Upper Lip.

Does 6 years give a clue

class is class is class

princess margaret was distasful in some of her actions and so is uncle UG

but they are not of the same class

soooooooooooo

class does not a gentleman make
but i haev met many gentleman who are aristocratic and many who are not

birth will not matter for William point blank
he has said as much
who ever he wants he will have by his side

now if he isn’t strong enough to do that
what does that say about his character….

love is the only reason william wouldmarry someone of lower birth — why else would he do it ? for jollies

the headache must be crazy to go against almost everyone who is there for the monarchy not william nor his bride as people

What has she given up for love and for the Royal institutions? She is a not a member of the Royal Family so there are no contradictory forces at play. Her actions, IMO, are self-serving and not altruistic or self-sacrificing. If she is not considered the right candidate for William’s bride by those people whose jobs it is to protect and preserve the Monarchy, there will be no marriage between William and Kate.

Hale – thank you for the welcome!!

“What has she given up for love and for the Royal institutions? She is a not a member of the Royal Family so there are no contradictory forces at play. Her actions, IMO, are self-serving and not altruistic or self-sacrificing. If she is not considered the right candidate for William’s bride by those people whose jobs it is to protect and preserve the Monarchy, there will be no marriage between William and Kate. ”

you have lost me?
If this is in response to me. I was saying that William will have to go against a hell of a lot of people who serve the monarchy not wills and that is what whitaker is saying , in marrying soeone of lower birth…. good on him but it won’t be easy and he willl need to have strength of character to do it
can it be done ? DAMN yes but it will take a lot todo and only William can do it NOT kate.
He will have to work at it to make it happen
and as is evidence to date he ain’t working too hard at it … but we will see

If Kate does not make it as bride it is not because whitaker exisits and talks on tv or that there are old aristocrats quacking in the their boots who will shove William. It wil be because he wants her there. No suits will stop him just look at the s and r … when he puts his mind to it it will happen. Now there will be those people who say that kate and william know they are to be married and she is saying no. if that is the case then i think william should move on because if he has to work to convincer her and monarchy and she isn’t sure she wants it then it could spell disaster

“So whoever PW does marry she better be strong, independent and someone capable of standing on her own two feet and not expect anyone to wipe away her tears. What is required is a shut up and get on with it……..or…..Stiff Upper Lip.”

Hale, you just summed up Kate Middleton. It’s just that people refuse to see that.

I don’t know Rman she was weeping or close to it on the video coming from a club the Queen would never weep overherself … never

She has been there for him and this future King seems to be happy with her.

And lets not forget about these pictures-

http://tinyurl.com/yejrelp

really?, did you pay any attention to what she went through that night? Kate did not cry but that situstion was dangerous and she should have not been put through anything like that. Also don’t forget, The Queen has never been through what Kate has been through.

acutally you are right rman
the queen has never beeen seenwit hher sister
stumbling out of a night club at 3am in tears because photographers are following her

she has been through a world war
many children who have divorced
a woman who married into the family who
drove her to change protocol

please please don’t try to cannonize kate’s actions

really? my response was to Rman! Messages are crossing in the ether which causes confusion!

Yes, I know what the Queen has been through publically but no one really knows what she has gone through privately.

No one is trying to canonize Kate’s actions really?, I’m just saying that The Queen was born a royal so she has never had the (pleasure) to experience the things that Kate has to go through. Also Kate has never fallen out of a club drunk and in tears. It’s known that Kate drinks but never goes overboard and we have never seen her in tears.

This is a sick.

So let me understand this, some think the Queen doesn’t use security, bodyguards?

She was harrased when coming back by train from Sandringham?

Sojourner: I did not say that I was speaking for any particular group of people. If you don’t share my views, that will not have a great impact on my life.

How on earth you can make an assessment of any topic without having first-hand knowledge of the subject? You study it at close quarters, digest and process what you have learnt, and then come to your own conclusion. That is the basis of any learning from the basic GSE to a doctorate. Looking at a Giotto fresco in close proximity tells so much more than a reproduction in an art history book. If you no longer live in the UK, I wonder how you judge our present society. Distant knowledge may not be as correct as you surmise.

UK news feed pretty much sums up whats going on.

Internet.

This *William is a cad* routine comes from RT and other ninnies.

William and Kate are in love and have a bright future. Whitaker’s words are worthless as usual. It must really gall him to see them spend so many years together and refuse to give him any insider information. All that egg on his face is unflattering. But those who don’t understand W&K’s long happiness want to cling to such off the wall bull. Let them dream.;)

“Yes, I know what the Queen has been through publically but no one really knows what she has gone through privately. ”

that is exactly my point
we don’t know
we don’t have to see it
but we did with kate
sorry rman but kate is nothing on our queen for duty and a sense of decorum she just isn’t

Wow – what a post!

It seems that cultural (US/UK) and generational (grandparents/grand kids) gaps have popped up.

One can be born into a “class”, one can have “class”, but being born into a class does not guarantee that one has class. They can be mutually exclusive or not.

As for the Queen and KM; they will never be in the same position, so to compare them is to me comparing apples and oranges. HM is the daughter of a King, the ruling monarch (not her spouse) and has been doing the job for almost 60 years. Kate, if she marries PW (and I believe she will) will be Queen because she is the WIFE of a King; NOT a ruling Queen/monarch. Because of that simple fact how can you really compare them as Queens?

One must also remember how much the world has changed since HM took the throne and how much time will pass before KM would sit beside her King. Before Queen Kate (Catherine) is crowned, Queen Camilla will get the tiara. I know, Camilla said when she married PC she would not be called Queen but in reality that is what she will be – wife of the King, a Queen.

oh but they will be in the same situation
and it is called characted
bottom line
character

kate is sweet
but strong no i don’t thnk so

tenacious yes

but not strong

she wept in public or damn ner it

not done just not done if you are as strong as rman is saying

I do not see how one can say that because KM might or might not have cried in public (I have not seen the photo that is referenced) that she has no character or is not strong. The life KM has as a young woman in her 20s is NOTHING like the life HM had as a young woman in her 20s. Tabloids and photogs did not exist for HM, KM is not the daughter of a King and is dealing with bombs going off in her country during a war, so IMO judging then the actions of KM and HM when their lives from 20-28 are so different is not a sound comparison.

mj
go back to rman ‘s post
this is a bit of broken telephonne now
you seem to have not read what we were saying to each other
basically rman asserts km is the strong type to stand by william
and i am saying she is many things but not that

Except that you know nothing of KM’s character.
Ergo, talking through your hat.
Must have the last word, eh?

gee phoebe
sounds like you maybe calling the kettle black with that one!
you always want the last word
to the poitn that it is funny to watch!