The Queen’s new gold Carriage, Britannia
A gold inlaid State carriage, which may one day transport Prince William and Prince Harry to their weddings, has been completed for the Queen.
The state coach Britannia will be only the second carriage to join the Royal Family in the last 100 years.
The £620,000 carriage is a gift for the Queen from Australia whose new Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, a Republican, wants a referendum on the monarchy. The designers claim that it has more gold than any other vehicle made in Britain for almost 200 years.
The carriage was commissioned by Mr Rudd’s predecessor John Howard and has taken two years to complete. It was designed and built in Sydney by Jim Frecklington who learned his trade working in the Royal Mews. The project has been overseen by the Duke of Edinburgh, a renowned carriage driver.
February 3rd, 2009 15:54
It is a very beautiful carriage and I hope to see it in action soon.
February 3rd, 2009 17:14
there are thousands of children in africa and all around the world who are dying of hunger, who dont have a shelter during winter and who are orphans due to AIDS. This £620,000 should have better been spent on those poor kids because contrary to the royals who dont need this because they are already wealthy, this poor kids do need it because they have nothing. I will never understand how people consider that it is more important spending thier money on worthless things rather than saving the precious very valuable lives of these innocent children. This is one reason why I am against royalty and all the class separation. While the queen and his grandkids experience a life a luxuries, there are people who dont have anything to eat. Still, people give the royals more money when the royals dont even need it, and forget about those people who really need the money.
This carriage is just the most selfish and ridicoulous thing that there can ever be.
February 3rd, 2009 17:37
You need to take it up with the Australians. They are paying for it.
February 3rd, 2009 17:48
maybe the BRF should make some kind of charitable donation in the amount of the cost of this carriage before accepting it. As lovely as it is, it is alot of money for an item like this, especially considering the economic crisis that much of the world is facing.
February 3rd, 2009 17:58
Sonia,
If you are against the Royal Family, then why are you looking at this website? It’s not as though the Royal Family commissioned the carriage It was a gift.
February 3rd, 2009 20:50
When someone gives a gift you have to graciously accept. The Royal Family does plenty of charitable work.
However, Prince William and Prince Harry will not be riding in it to their weddings. They go in an open landau. The bride goes in the enclosed carriage. Fingers crossed to see Kate riding to St. Paul’s and waving soon.
February 3rd, 2009 22:15
Hey, I got my fingers crossed and I pray for these two.
February 4th, 2009 00:41
Brandi,
to protest against something you dont like, you have to get involved in it.
Dont have anything against the royal family(queen Elizabeth looks like she is a nice lady), but I am against royalty in general because it means putting some people on top of others as though some human beings were better than others which I dont believe.
I think that royalty is just a waste of tax money because that money that people spend on the royals, it could be spent on people who really need it. People are just paying their money for class separation which is not the right thing. People should spend their money so that we all are equal and so that all human beings get equal chances and not just the wealthy. People (british citizens) are paying their money to make rich people(the royals) even richer. Sorry, but I dont agree with this.
Royalty is a beautiful tradition but it brings class separation and it shouldnt been happening in the 21st century.
February 4th, 2009 02:24
I don’t want to be thrown with people who are beneath me, and yes I do think there are people who are beneath me. I am so glad my husband and are moving to Great Britian and leaving America. I hate the mixing of the classes. Also there is nothing wrong with being rich no matter if you work for it, born in to it, or marry in to it. I’m sure most people don’t agree with me on this, but that’s my opinion. Not trying to start an argument just stating how I feel.
February 4th, 2009 04:00
Brandi
Sorry to disapoint you, but speaking as a Briton, I do not see the Royal Family as a representation of the class system. Once perhaps, but times have changed. Today, they are viewed more as buffers and anchors. They represent a continuance against the winds which forever blow change. Change not always for the better.
There has been a complete turnaround. IMO the new class is the media and our politicians. They are the ones who now have the upper hand, and if I may quote from George Orwell’s Animal Farm, ‘Four legs good, two legs better.’
Sonia you raise some very good points, however I am sorry to say that I believe the poor will always be with us. Irregardless of how much is spent to relieve their misery.
As to the Australians, I daresay there are many who will resent this gift from their country to ours, but I for one am extremely grateful to them. Thank you. It’s a beautiful carriage, and it demonstrates your fine taste and superb craftmanship.
As their are many countries which the state opening of parliament is televised, you should take great pride in the fact the world will also see this elegant craftmanship, and that they should not assume Europe is the sole proprieters of this kind of workmanship.
February 4th, 2009 04:26
its beautiful. i think many pounds have been spent.
February 4th, 2009 09:20
Where’s Rman today?
February 4th, 2009 09:33
As I stated this is my opinion. I am so happy about moving to England and nothing can change that.
I can’t wait to see the carriage in use.
February 4th, 2009 10:02
I’m not from the UK. But I think that the Monarchy has been very successful and beneficial for the UK. This is one of the reasons why some people admire UK so much. To have a legacy that survives so well with all the obstacles that occurred throughout history. I think to some instance, if it wasn’t for the monarchy and the people that support it, the English Empire would not have been so unified and great.
I know that we all talk about equality and division of class. To be realistic, all government: Monarchy, Democracy, Republic, Communist etc. have division of class.
Whether it was economical, political, social, etc.
Even in the USA (one of the biggest promoters of democracy in this world) have multiple class division. We also pay taxes to our government. We don’t have a monarchy to financially support; but our tax money doesn’t always go to the people. I know so much US citizens that do not get free health care benefits from their government.
I also think that it is a beautiful gesture for the Australian government to give this beautiful gift to the Queen. It’s a sign of respect and peace.
I know that some might disagree with me, but to some instance, If it wasn’t for the Great Britain, its citizens, and its successful monarchy, countries like the USA, Australia and many more would have not been in existence and being so great.
Also in third world country, what end up happening when other countries donate money to them, their politician keeps it to themselves for their own purposes. There are just too much corruption that unable the poor from advancing in life. The UN gives money to third world nations so many times. It’s sad; but nothing can really help if their government are not helping the people the way they’ve promised to.
February 4th, 2009 10:40
Brandi, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
February 4th, 2009 10:53
Dv, brilliant post.
As much as we might all strive for equality, it is simply not possible to achieve equality for everybody at the same time.
Even if every billionaire gave every penny away, there would still be the poor and the downtrodden roaming this Earth.
The British Monarchy has proven to be a worthwhile institution for over a thousand years. It is tradition, almost a sport really, to worry if the younger members are up to snuff, and whether they are qualified to follow in the footsteps of those before them. Look at HM, who was only 25 when she became Queen. She was something of an unknown quantity in 1952 but look how marvelously well she has done.
Yes, sometimes PW seems less mature in some ways than his father or grandmother did at the same age, but believe you me, when the time comes, he will be well-prepared and quite up to the job.
February 4th, 2009 11:38
Thank you for your kind words Phoebe. Living in England has been a dream of mine since I was a little girl.
February 4th, 2009 11:53
No charge.
February 4th, 2009 13:29
Yes I want to live in England too. I want to have my own estate in the countryside.
February 4th, 2009 14:49
Evening All.
After what Maddie told me the other day, I decided to telephone Channel 4. I was absolutely gutted when they told me only viewers from the UK and Ireland can watch their programmes on Catch Up and 4oD.
After all the great links Rman and everyone else provides, I was so pleased that I would also be able to do my bit for the forum. Alas, it was not to be.
So please accept my apologies for that one.
God, I don’t know about you guy’s, but honestly I have never ever known a time like this when stories were so lean on the Royals. So much so, I’m beginning to wonder if Gordon Brown has abolished them, they’ve all gone into exile and he has forgotten to tell us.
February 4th, 2009 15:16
Hale, thanks for calling Channel 4. Unfortunately, you were told the same thing. It is hard here in America to get as much royal news as you guys get, but thank goodness for the internet and people like you to keep us informed.
I have to say all countries have their problems and there will always be the very wealthy and the very poor. We pay so many taxes here, yet politicians and so many executives have insanely huge salaries, while we can’t even insure our children. No child should be without health coverage! Money is rarely spent where it should be, it mostly goes to pay salaries of people who don’t do anything.
February 4th, 2009 15:20
I wonder if this is true about Chelsy.
http://tinyurl.com/agcwux
February 4th, 2009 15:41
A&O have confirmed several times that CD has accepted a position with the firm.
February 4th, 2009 16:33
Thanks Phoebe. I am just surprised she is not going back to Africa.
February 4th, 2009 16:39
here is a pic of the helicopter that crashed.
http://tinyurl.com/cnc7ew
February 4th, 2009 16:45
Hale I agree, that’s why we put Obama in office so he can help us but we are the ones that have to do the work. William will lead the Monarchy into a new direction. Although I think Her Majesty is doing a good job, the royal family needs a breath of fresh air.
February 4th, 2009 17:03
Well, CD is still in school and probably won’t get out until the spring. She has time to change her mind.
February 4th, 2009 17:07
Hello,
I have posted several times about the number of military helicopters that have crashed many with the loss of everyone on board.
How crazy is it to let the 2nd and 3rd in line to the throne to risk a crisis within the monarchy.
In days of old Princes were married and produced heirs so that when or if they fell in battle the blood line was established.
This was lucky and may have been acres away from PW and miles from PH but it only needs time or circumstance to create havoc and I do so hope HM will pull rank and move to secure the succession before a disaster strikes.
I know I was ridiculed and castigated when I posted along these lines five age of the Military craft now flying could happen frequently.
I do wish someone would wake up!
February 4th, 2009 17:09
corrections;
..lines fife or six months ago and with the age of….
sorry
February 4th, 2009 17:17
You know ked, I don\’t completely disagree with you. I feel for William because he obviously lives to fly. It probably gives him a sense of freedom that he can\’t find elsewhere. Lets face it, his life was laid out for him the moment he was born. He has this enormous duty to his family and the country. It must be huge for him to do something HE wants that is not dictated by duty.
On the other hand, I can\’t argue the danger factor and have wondered myself why his is being allowed to do it. Same for Harry, but in a lessor degree.
Thankfully no one was killed in this accident.
February 4th, 2009 17:38
Goodnight, Godbless, and may your God go with you.
February 4th, 2009 17:58
William will be fine. I’m sure soon enough he will have a wife and children to secure the throne. Yes thank God no one was killed.
February 4th, 2009 18:48
I’ve just read this article about Chelsy and PH.Hope it’s true: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/82904/Prince-Harry-may-still-return-to-Chelsy
February 4th, 2009 18:52
Rman,I am praying we hear something this month. So many signs point to it..
February 4th, 2009 19:48
Ked, we would never castigate you! Well maybe Alsgal would, but I would not. I totally agree w/you and think its crazy that both are allowed to fly. Alsgal and I always worry that PW life will end like JFK, Jr., who was a reckless, rich man living out his boyhood fantasies when he was not qualified to fly w/o pilot. Seems so so stupid!
Anybody hear that Prince Andrew’s sometime ex Angie Everhart is prego? Yes, and she is doing it all by herself and will not tell who’s the daddy. I guess will know if she is Andrew godchild or not.
February 4th, 2009 19:50
I have a hard timing believing that CD will be able to win PH back. Her friends, etc. have said way to much against the monarchy w/her father saying the breakup was due to PH racial remarks. Even if it’s not true, that’s a pretty bold statement.
February 4th, 2009 19:52
Ked
You are in this instance correct. I don’t think either brother should be training to fly helicopters. The dangers are very real and disaster a la JFK Junior ( yes I know he was flying a light aircraft) is possible at any time. I have go idea who is making the decisions with regards to their careers, but I think the decision is flawed!!
February 4th, 2009 20:32
I wonder if PW is there now? They sure are making a big fuss over something that is supposed to be 18mo. out!
February 4th, 2009 21:12
Yes, flying can be dangerous. But, Prince Charles learned to fly before he was married. Prince ANdrew was a pilot in the Navy for 20 years. The Duchess of York learned to fly before the girls were born. No one screamed then about the dangers. I doubt anyone will stop it now.
February 4th, 2009 23:45
Rosettaresearch
Charles the current heir apparent only flew for a fixed period of time and then had to give it up. Neither Andrew or Sarah are directly inline to the throne & while their lives are important because they are not directly inline to the throne that is probably why no one made much of a fuss. The situation for Harry and William is different, they are inline to throne and the old saying goes there is no use crying over spilled milk. The newspaper headlines could go on and on and on if an accident happened but the damage would have already been done….
February 4th, 2009 23:50
But, Charles DID fly. Even before he married and had children. At the time Prince Andrew learned to fly, he was second in line. He learned before Prince William was born. That makes hs situation exactly the same as Prince William learning to fly. Of course, he is not going to do it forever. But, if there was no outcry about the danger to his father — FIRST in line to throne, there shouldn’t be any about Prince William.
February 5th, 2009 00:29
Harry & Chelsy’s breakup could be over anything.
February 5th, 2009 00:45
Right, Rman: We really do not know why Harry and Chelsey broke up, it really could be for a million different reasons. The real reason they are not together may never see the light of day.
February 5th, 2009 00:50
Brandi,
you say that there are people beneath you, so enjoy it because life is full of surprises, right now you are on top, but next day you may be down. Remember life is like a swing, things go up and then down.
When you say that you hate the mixing of classes in America, let me tell you that I as an American, I am very proud of getting to know people of different cultures, social backgrounds,etc. This makes me learn more about the world and appreciate the beauty of getting to know different things and not the same thing everyday.
Of course there is nothing wrong with being rich,
but when the rich are taking away money (example: taxes) that could be spent on the poor, then there is something wrong with that.
Hale of course, they are always going to be poor people, and class separation, but we can improve this, not solve it, but improve it if we make things with more common sense.
I know that we all have to pay for someone to be in charged of the country (ex: barack obama our new president), and that some countries want to keep their traditions(like the royal family), but lets all consider that with all the issues going around the world, we cant afford things like having a royal family. A president or prime minister is more than enough for us to be spending our money. There are more important things to be spending on than the royal family.
Any ways, sorry it is not my intention to be bringing this issue all over and over again. Hope it doesnt bother you.
I just want to voice my opinions, but you dont have to keep talking about it if you dont want to. I will respect everyone’s opinions.
February 5th, 2009 08:39
Quote from PH
February 5th, 2009 00:45 43Right, Rman: We really do not know why Harry and Chelsey broke up, it really could be for a million different reasons. The real reason they are not together may never see the light of day.
End of Quote
We have and know what all the articles from different Tabloids and Broadsheet have written about the break-up.
IMO the broadsheets are more serious, they implied that Prince Harry broke it off in a gentlemen manner, in other words, he indirectly let CD do the breaking up (via the Telegraph).
Gracie, I agree with you, I don’t think PH will try to return with CD. Of course, I might be wrong.
February 5th, 2009 09:30
Sonia, I do understand your point but the Prime Minister just handles the politics. The royal family is what represents the nation and Commonwealth. It’s great to have a family that dedicates themseleves to the country in this modern world. Nobody does it better than the royal family and Britian wouldn’t be Britain without the royal family.
February 5th, 2009 09:59
Alsgal castigate Ked? I think not!
It is worrisome to have both young Princes flying at the same time, although the risk of them both crashing separately is probably not likely statistically speaking. But, simply because helicopters are dangerous, particularly when flown in S&R missions, it seems a bit reckless to allow them both to pursue this career. JMO, though
Charles did fly, but I do remember reading something about him nearly missing the runway once and requiring the co-pilot to take over — does anyone else recall reading this? The brain gets a bit fuzzy.
February 5th, 2009 10:33
I hope we get some royal news soon because it’s getting boring.
February 5th, 2009 11:31
The silence is deafening thats for sure. I am still holding out for news next week:)
February 5th, 2009 12:02
Rman, Lisa let’s hope there is some good news soon as it’s just too awful to think we’ll have the next 18 months of nothing but a picture of W&K pigeon stalking together.
As for H&C, I don’t see the fat lady singing just yet. I’ll bet there’s a Naughty Nurse outfit in Chelsy’s sartorial future.
February 5th, 2009 12:17
With regards to the H & C break up.
When it was announced on the tv news, James Whitaker, the royal commentator and journalist for the Daily Mirror, was asked for his opinion and he said, the last thing we need right now is anyone blabbing. Don’t you think that’s odd? Considering he earns his living in part from people blabbing.
The was the press is handling this break up in England, I find they are being extremely sensitive. They were not like this with Kate. When W & K split up, the press went straight for the jugular. Not only Kate, also her family. It was disgraceful.
I’m surprised the the job offer from A & O is still on the table for Chelsy. They are known as a legal firm which usually only takes oxbridge graduates.
Then again, bearing in mind this legal firm represents the royal family, perhaps this is their way of assisting their clients to pave over any cracks.
Rman & Lisa, Yes indeed the silence is deafening.
February 5th, 2009 14:29
The silences is getting on my darn nerves. Announce already. I can’t go through any more months of this.
February 5th, 2009 14:32
Think we might hear of an engagement on Valentines Day? Now wouldn’t that put all the nasties in their place!
February 5th, 2009 14:39
Perhaps Chelsy has her economics degree from a stellar South African university? That would make up for the Leeds degree. And her father is very wealthy and has probably quite good connections, I would think that her job position is not solely based on her connections to the RF.
As for W+K, I am afraid we will have to wait a few more months. V-day sounds soo obvious to me. And I somehow cannot imagine that Wills will propose on that day or will have an announcement that day.
February 5th, 2009 15:00
rosettaresearch…Perhaps Ked was right, there was a ‘council of war’ at Birkhall.
Perhaps the silence is due to William’s reluctance to take on his duties full time.
Following the Jaques Peretti documentary, I was surprised there was no mention of it in the media, if only to trash it.
February 5th, 2009 15:55
Hello,
I thought of a post I made a couple of months ago on the Army reducing their fleet of helicopters from 500 to 200 approx.
When this type of reduction is planned the repercussions usually are carried downwards also, that is to the maintenance and planning departments.
I hope this does not have a similar effect to the reductions carried out in the RAF several years ago when the Eurofighter had several crashes and they followed a period of cut backs in the RAF.
Flying is dangerous at the best of times but the neglect of servicing procedures due to cut backs can have untold effects not only on machines but on moral.
The lack of news on PW and KM is pilling up and shortly, as editors get edgy as circulations fall in the recession, all types of stories are going to start popping up on the smallest (made into the biggest) event or happening.
Rman and Lisa, yes its boring and deafening but if I was a betting man I wouldn’t look at any hopeful news for a few years. I think the best we can hope for will be the belated news that they have had a few days together in some outpost but we won’t know if it’s true or not unless a pap. gets lucky because I’m sure now that nothing official is comong out.
The one proviso is probably the one we wouldn’t like to hear should anuthing untoward happen in the RF.
That could obviously change the staus quo.
February 5th, 2009 16:01
http://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Kate-Story-Robert-Jobson/dp/1844547361/ref=sr_1_3/278-0300097-6105958?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233867606&sr=1-3
And yet another new book. Something is definitely coming.
February 5th, 2009 16:27
Great find Lisa. Yeah something is coming. I can’t wait to see what the cover looks like. Ked my friend, we shall see.
February 5th, 2009 16:36
Do you think it’s possible that certain members of the media have been informed of the plan for the year and this is why these books are cropping up and why some of the articles of late have had a different tone?
February 5th, 2009 16:47
I don’t know Lisa but it’s all so interesting.
February 5th, 2009 16:58
It seems like the time frame of spring 2009 is the ticket. Clearly these books do not have nearly the value without the ring. These publishers would be risking looking a bit foolish and premature of things are not set to go.
Can you imagine the floodgates once the announcement hits? It is going to be a huge multimedia event.
I have been wondering how a royal wedding in 2009 would differ technologywise then one in the 80’s. How many more people will see it live because of the internet. It will be fascinating.
February 5th, 2009 17:11
Oh you better believe it’s going to be a huge multimedia event. I’m sure William & Kate will be overwhelmed with emotion and probably will be praying for some peace afterwards.
February 5th, 2009 17:50
Ked are you referring to PP’s failing health?
Lisa you amaze me, Rman too for that matter. I have shadowed images of the two of you racing against one another as to who can come up with the best links first. Where would we be without the both of you. Well done and thank you.
Meanwhile, has anyone read the Ingrid Seaward book yet? Normally I wait for royal books to come out in paperback, but I’m itching to buy this one, because I am aware she is an approved royal writer.
February 5th, 2009 18:11
Rman,
As always I admire your enthusiastic and never swerving support and loyalty and even I feel a little sprig of hopefulness when I read your comments.
However having considered the various reports and comments ‘leaked’ from certain sources and ever mindful of the ‘main street’ cred., and reading between the lines when these snippets are released there is no immediate progress being made.
I have seen many posts on a springtime engagement but PW is already committed to six or eight weekends as the President of The Football Assosiation and The Welsh Rugby Union Assosiation dring this year. In 2010 May to July is also taken up with Rugby commitments and the World Football Cup.
The olympics during the summer takes care of 2012 and in 2011 by all accounts he will be in Falklands or Cyprus on attachment with S and R.
Given PW’s apparent reluctance and avoiding tactics over the past 12 – 18 months he is going to be very difficult to tie down so I still think that if it happens then 2014 is the year and wasn’t that the year that the astrologers noted that PW and KM’s signs overlapped.
Rman, in past years you know how supportive I was but my analytical and sceptical mind has taken over. In reality I fear for them because of the time scales involved and as someone posts above there is always the roving eye , the Windsor genes and general ‘droit de seignior’ of Royal Princes always a possibility with the ever ‘decoy’ or ’stalking horse’ theories
supported by those (so called) Royal Experts.
February 5th, 2009 18:14
Hale,
I fear to put into words certain possibilities and there are many.
February 5th, 2009 18:22
I don’t think the RF want the media to talk about the documentary and I believe the press has some type of agreement on what they cover about the RF. JMO.
Ked, then where is Ingrid Seward getting her info from, cause she thinks an engagement will happen? Since CD/PH are over atleast CD can be seen out going to school etc. Why is KM and her whole family seemingly off limits, is this due to a lawsuit or the RF? I would think KM would be out and about if she and PW are done?
February 5th, 2009 18:27
If PP health continues to fail, God forbid, PW will have to cut his military time short and start royal duties as he should. God bless the Queen at her age still getting out there and doing engagements! Looks like PC and PA are doing the most work, and the younger generations should start to pick up the slack. After all that is what they are born to do. IMO.
February 5th, 2009 18:29
Ked, all I can say is we shall see.
February 5th, 2009 18:31
That’s interesting that Ingrid is writing a book, too. I wonder which direction it will take, seeing as this month she feels PW will likely do the right thing out of honour and duty (and also love, as she points out) and marry his loyal Kate, although two months ago Ingrid didn’t seem to have a handle on the SAR situation. She seemed to be hoping that KM wouldn’t be heading down the same path as Koo Stark, another brunette.
Call Alsgal clueless but hopeful.
Which could pretty much describe everyone else who is either for or against the union of W&K.
February 5th, 2009 18:46
gracie,
I do not say it will not happen. I just believe that the earliest it will happen is 2014 if KM is still available for PW.
Rman,
I’ve been clinging onto that for 3+years
February 5th, 2009 18:56
Seems like alot of books coming out at the same time, for there to be no engagement. I don’t see them selling well as the compition looks steep, unless they have some secret knowledge that no one knows about.
February 5th, 2009 19:01
I know Ked. This couple took their time building their relationship and falling in love with each other even more. I think someone pointed out that some are use to short courtships but these two did what was best for them.
February 5th, 2009 19:11
Gracie, I’m sure Robert Lacey will come up with something too or be a guest on Larry King Live because as soon as it is announced Larry will have a panel of royal experts on his show.
February 5th, 2009 19:23
oy,Larry King annoys me sooo much.He fails to do his research and asks stupid questions.
February 5th, 2009 19:26
You guys might enjoy reading this from ‘04
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0406/16/lkl.01.html
February 5th, 2009 19:41
LOL, I know Larry is something else but he always do a special on the royal family and the panel of experts give the royal updates.
February 5th, 2009 19:50
I just hate that he is too lazy to prepare for his interviews.
February 5th, 2009 19:50
Gracie…I totally agree, its about time W & H did their share.
Alsgal..the book I was enquiring about has already been written, and if you scroll up you will see it advertised on BRW site.
I do fear for PP, despite his age he is not a man to rest on his laurels. I know he’s made quite a few gaffs in his time, but everybody ignores what he has acomplished.
During the WWII he was given two mention in despatches. It was he, the first royal who bagan to campaign for the environment as far backs as the 50’s. He started the Duke of Edinburgh awards, as well as the business awards. He’s a great champion and consort of the Queen, and despite his failings for the weaker sex, I do believe that marriage has been a happy one. A truly great partnership.
Oh well, its 10 to 1 in the morning.
Goodnight, God bless and may your God go with you.
February 5th, 2009 19:52
Lisa of course at that time, they had no idea what was going on between W&K. There was some thought that he was going to have a string of girlfriends but once these two set their eyes on each other, that was it. I think back to Elizabeth & Philip on that subject.
February 5th, 2009 19:57
True Hale although I think The Queen & Prince Philip have had their problems, the love between them is very strong.
February 5th, 2009 19:59
yeah,it’s interesting to see their thoughts from 5 years ago knowing how things are now,though. I agree about Elizabeth and Philip. There are a few similar things about the two relationships.
February 6th, 2009 00:26
That’s very true Lisa.
February 6th, 2009 04:46
The Queen and her husband have cancelled a State visit next week. Is that because of Prince Phillip’s health OR is it to be here when an announcement re Wills and Kate is made?
February 6th, 2009 05:27
redlady…You may be right, here is the article.
BRW it looks like the one you’ve already provided us with a link to, but isn’t.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1137263/Queen-Duke-cancel-state-visit-amid-new-health-fears-Philip.html
February 6th, 2009 06:48
i thinked PH and CD will totally not gone back together. BRW what is the web of party pieces?
February 6th, 2009 07:02
Well, the comment about “other commitments” is interesting. I pray this is about the announcement and not Phillips health.
February 6th, 2009 07:13
Hello,
Look Guys, please don’t just grasp at straws!
If HM and PP have cancelled a State visit, even to an unknown venue, the Palace organisation would have known of any family celebration or anticipated event and in no way would the State Visit be compromised.
During the 50+ years of her Reign the number of cancelled State Visits would probably be less than a handful. Be assured, the only reason this has been cancelled is due to the precautionary concern for PP’s recent ailment and possibly his slow recovery rate. Nothing else.
Please don’t grasp at these occurreences to promulgate any announcement of PW and KM’s engagement. This may happen but it will be many months off unless there are any unhappy events within the RF.
Don’t wish that upon them, be content that there is no announcement of a parting although I would not expect one should KM have decided to call it a day.
AS far as the RF is concerned KM is a very good friend of PW who has many such friends. That is the official line.
Be content.
February 6th, 2009 07:32
ked,how exactly would you know the “official line” of the RF regarding the relationship of William and Kate?
Isn’t every girlfriend a “very good friend” until an engagement announcement is made?
It is nonsense to think the RF views Kate the same way as other “friends” of William’s. She is quite obviously more then his “very good friend”.
February 6th, 2009 08:42
Ked…please don’t toy with us, and don’t make me cry again. If you have some info then stop being ambiguous and share it with us. If you are a member of the other site (RF) it does have inboxes so please mail me. I use the same username as here.
Lisa..You will agree we are all speculating although but only out of want of the news that would make us all happy.
I would agree with you, I do believe that Kate is more than just a good friend, but I also think that Ked is merely echoing the BP official line which is palace officials way of supressing rumours in the press.
February 6th, 2009 08:55
Hale, I agree that we are speculating based upon what will make us happy:) I also don\’t want to see Philip ill.
In regards to keds comments…sometimes ked has a tendency to represent his POV as fact and it can get confusing, so I am a few others here try to remind him to remember that he is posting an opinion not a fact unless he has something to support the claim. Many of us enjoy keds postings and I am sure we will continue to do so.
February 6th, 2009 10:51
I can’t imagine that KM would continue to hide in Berks or any where if they had ended it. Unless she has moved? I’m not saying she should go out to clubs, etc. but she would be out when she is not working. Something is going on IMO.
February 6th, 2009 12:01
gracie,I agree with you. I am not sure(is anybody?) that Kate is even in Berks. She may have moved to a property near where William is training. We just don’t know.
February 6th, 2009 13:01
Lisa,
There was no evidence that PW had moved off base in the Cholmonderey area.
At the weekend I was with friends near Chester and we in fact had a meal at the Cholmonderel Arms , didn’t ask any questions but there was no reaction at all.
The pub/restaurant is an old school house converted into a small bar and tables in the old classrooms and is literally yards from both of the main estate entrances.
The food was easily westend standard and almost westend prices and well worth the visit. No news however so I doubt if KM has moved north.
February 6th, 2009 13:05
ked are you involved with the media somehow?
February 6th, 2009 13:10
Okay, the cancelled state visit was supposed to take place in late March. I sincerely doubt that if an announcement comes this year, it will be that late. Simply not enough time to plan a summer wedding.
I am not too worried about the Duke of Edinburgh’s health. He pulled a muscle carriage driving. Hardly the actions of a doddering old man. I trust he will be with us for a good while yet.
February 6th, 2009 13:11
Ked, I can’t agree with you re: how the RF sees KM. I think they see her and have seen her for some time as PW’s GF, even if PW may not see her that way himself.
February 6th, 2009 13:16
If PP is as reported and his condition worsen, I can’t see how it would bode well for an engagement announcement.
Ked, can you give me any clues as to who they might be with or hiding in the background?
February 6th, 2009 13:26
Okay Ked, enough with the non-sense. We all know Kate is William’s longtime companion and nothing has changed. I’m sorry to hear the State Visit was cancelled. I continue to pray that Prince Philip gets better.
February 6th, 2009 13:29
Hello,
Any one interested in rumour and that’s all it is .
Rumour has it that PW is on 48 hour pass this weekend.
Twickenham anyone ?
Thought he mat have saved it for next weekend.
Why?
February 6th, 2009 13:30
If things worsen, then a announcement will hold off for awhile but if not, Prince philip would want them to get on with things. He’s a man that likes to keep going and he wouldn’t tell his grandson to put things on hold.
February 6th, 2009 13:33
sorry, for ‘mat; read ‘may’
Lisa , long, long way from it these days.
February 6th, 2009 13:38
Dear Rman,
I may not agree with Ked but I’m not sure about telling him to stop the “nonsense”. Ked is not rude in anyway when expressing his thoughts and opinion. Why not read his comments then just move onto the next?
You say “We all know KM and PW are find”, but I’m certain most of us thought they were fine just before they broke up in 2007. So for myself I’ll wait and see. If it happens it happens. On the other hand, it may not. They really dont need the pressure to get married before they decide to do so.
February 6th, 2009 13:40
Just to wish Her Majesty a congrats because today is Accession Day. She has been reigning for 57 years. But it’s also a sad day because her father passed on this day in 1952. I guess there will be a big celebration for her 60th year.
February 6th, 2009 13:41
“these days” ked?
Anyway,I hope all is well with prince Philip and we get a great announcement soon!
February 6th, 2009 13:43
Not to scare anyone, but maybe the 48 hours leave has to do with PP’s poor health.
February 6th, 2009 13:45
just visiting, Ked knows how I talk and I’m not being rude with him but seriously it’s time to stop doubting the couple. People have been doing that for too long now. We all know they are a couple so lets move past that. But again I’m not being rude to him.
February 6th, 2009 13:47
That’s right Lisa, let’s all hope for the best and not get too gloomy.
February 6th, 2009 14:12
Hello,
Just Visiting,
Thank you for you protective comment, however Rman and I respect one another and speak as we find.
I try not to be rude or objectionable but have been known to react to unfair comment and irresponsible or deliberate hurtful attack on individuals who are known not to be able to respond.
Sorry if that sounds emotional but I’m sure most know what I mean.
February 6th, 2009 14:12
Is there some type of rugby match going on that weekend?
February 6th, 2009 14:18
Yeah, what’s the significance of Twickenham, for the uninitiated?
February 6th, 2009 14:25
Well you guys can vote on which couple that would most likely get engaged in 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/d2omda
February 6th, 2009 14:37
The six nations ruby is on at Twickenham this weekend.
Saturday, England are playing Italy…I think.
Sunday Wales is supposed to be playing Scotland. It wouldn’t surprise me if W was there after all isn’t he a patron of the Welsh rugy union. Both W & H are big on rugby.
February 6th, 2009 14:41
Rman..Thanks for that link. Hope you don’t think I’m a traitor, but I voted for Zara & Mike.
I noticed the Queen’s site is down, I daresay they are gearing up for the new one.
The POW site is still up & running, and looking at their diary, as well as having looked at the court circular, it seems to me most of them are quite busy, which brings me to my next question as to why the press aren’t giving it much coverage.
Then again, the media has always favoured the young.
February 6th, 2009 15:12
No Hale lol, you are not a traitor. I wish someone would announce a engagement this year.
Yeah if it was William or Harry doing some engagements it would get some sort of news coverage. That’s why I hope the new site will provide more videos of the royals official engagements. I like seeing them do their duties. I think the media and public would like to see a young royal couple out doing some duties. It brings some excitement back to the royal family.
February 6th, 2009 15:19
Hello,
I don’t think PW will go up to Murryfield on sunday , thats his Aunts perogative. It’s been a few years since she’s missed a Scotland game and she sings ‘Flower of Scotland’ with great gusto.
I of course prefer ‘Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau’ but will be at ‘Twickers’ losing my voice and “philosophiesing” my usual nonsense and criticising all and sundry especially the “blind Irish referees” (A reference to Max Boyce’s song on Irish charities with no racism meant or intended)
February 6th, 2009 15:27
Hello,
So Disappointed Mike T. possibly out of game with injury.
Great pity, great player!
February 6th, 2009 15:30
Ked, I was talking about Twickenham not Murryfield. Which aunt are you talking about?
If your Welsh, then perhaps you can help me?
There’s a song the Welsh sing at rubgy games. Its rousing to listen to. However, many, many years ago a mischevious english student decided to translate it, and it translated into ‘my little pot, my little pot’. Do you know the song I’m talking about. You better answer quickly before Alsgal gets in there.
February 6th, 2009 15:46
so, Twickenham means it’s rugby over valentine’s?
February 6th, 2009 16:04
Oh no need to worry, I believe William & kate will have a great Valntine’s Day.
February 6th, 2009 16:17
So the State Visit is cancelled but not because of Prince Philips health.
“According to the BBC’s royal correspondent Peter Hunt, this time the Queen has taken the unusual step of cancelling because “there is just too much on”.
Immediately after the abandoned trip, the Queen is due to receive the president of Mexico, while world leaders are due in London to discuss the global financial crisis.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7873656.stm
February 6th, 2009 16:32
I know that PW has taken KM to the Twick match, was it 2yrs ago? I have a feeling it might just be the guys and possible Ked w/a laptop, blackberry to give us here the play by play of PW, PH, etc.
February 6th, 2009 17:03
Rman,
If PW is off duty next weekend on the 14th he has to be at Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium for the Wales v England Rugby Match.
This is one of the duties he is usually bound to carry out as the President of the Welsh Rugby Union . He missed the last game and was heavily criticised as he was reported out elsewhere. I don’t think he can miss this unless he has to do Orderly Officer or other RAF duties at Shawbury.
The kick off isn’t until 5.30pm and he usually goes to the formal dinner after the game. I think KM may therefore be unlucky but as she knows it’s part of the duties he was committed to by CH as part of his off duty schedule.
February 6th, 2009 17:05
gracie,
Yes I’ll be there c/w computer
February 6th, 2009 17:14
I know that Ked but you better believe that guy will have some time with Kate. That’s one of the things I find so amazing about this guy, he balances things very well.
February 6th, 2009 17:19
Ked, since your around the royal players and you seem to have the eqvilant education needed to fit in w/that group, why don’t you make a play for KM?
February 6th, 2009 17:24
Sorry, not a good speller! I am a wonderful southern hostess, would ya’ll like a glass of ice-cold sweet tea with those buttermilk biscutts? Where’s my darlin’ Alsgal today?
February 6th, 2009 17:27
Yes gracie, where is our darling Alsgal to brighten up our day?
February 6th, 2009 17:44
LOL, Gracie I would love some ice cold sweet tea. I think Ked would have to deal with William if he tries to go after KM and then he would have to beat me to her as well, lol. Seriously, her eyes seems to be fix on one person and that’s William.
February 6th, 2009 17:55
I also have a feeling that Ked is a little on the older side….. Not sure if KM would be into that!
February 6th, 2009 18:39
jj,
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February 6th, 2009 18:57
JJ, I don’t know where you got the idea that Ked was older? I think it’s because he is very articulate, unique way of wording things (probably has to do w/a writing background?). I think he is in his mid-twenties. Just a guess. I bet he’s got the whole Mr. Darcy thing going on!
February 6th, 2009 19:12
I can’t help but feel this is odd. Most new books are released before Christmas by way of people buying them as stocking fillers. However, there are three books which are to be released in Spring of this year.
William & Kate by Robin Nunn. To be released on the 1st May 2009.
William & Harry ‘The Peoples Princes by Ingrid Seward. To be released on the 1st March 2009.
Kate ‘Princess in Waiting’ by Claudia Joseph. To be released on the 2nd April 2009. As to this book, the author claims to have spoken to Kate’s family and close friends.???????
Do you all not think this is unusual?
Possible start of a PR campaign?
February 6th, 2009 19:28
Personally, I find it very interesting Hale. There is no doubt in the world that this couple has gotten us all excited and looking forward to what’s to come. I think these books are going to sell like hotcakes if the news come soon.
February 6th, 2009 19:52
There is NO WAY Catherine Middleton is going to sit on her hands until 2014 to marry William. That’s really pushing it too far. My own belief is between 2010-2011. KED, I just think you are very off the mark. I also wish we’d all just let this speculation stop and let Catherine and Wills make a decision when THEY are ready.
And for those of you who are bored and want them to get married NOW to satisfy an emptiness in your own lives, let’s get real. We don’t know these people, we are not privvy to these people’s personal lives, so let’s get over it, let them live their lives and do what they want. Some people here are starting to sound like Katie Nicholls and act like the often out-of-hand papparazzi.
KED – next time you see Catherine, maybe you should personally ask her what’s going on.
February 6th, 2009 19:57
Jade Falzon
Thank you so much for sharing that with us.
Meanwhile, here’s another story on PP
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/83712
February 6th, 2009 20:15
Hello,
I am sure that the puplishing dates for books is usually 8 to 12 months from acceptance.
Early in 2008 I have the feeling that 2009 was set for an engagement early in the year with the marriage in May or July 2009.
There were lots of pointers to this from repairs,replacement and redesigning at CH , dress designers being put on stand by and other arrangement and staffing set up.
PW’s own published arrangement for late 2008 and early 2009 also pointed to the possibility of a date in the first half of 2009.
This all changed in Sept 2008 with PW’s announcement following his return from the wedding in Austria.
By this time the publishing and editing set up was in an advanced stage for publication apr/may/june 2009 thus coinciding with the anticipated formal arrangements.
I notice that the advanced blurb on Amazon shows a publish price for one book at £18 and already, prior to publication reduced to £11.
The printers and publishers were all set up but the arrangements fell apart. That is why the books are due out in he next few monhs.
Feasible ?
February 6th, 2009 20:19
I often wish the young royals would help out with these trips.
February 6th, 2009 20:30
It could be all still on Ked, we just have to wait and see what’s going to happen.
I think William & Kate have discussed this and decided to kill two birds with one stone. military & marriage. I have a very strong feeling and it’s something I can’t shake. There’s a trick to all of this.
February 6th, 2009 21:08
Rman….How right you are. The young royals should help out more.
It strikes me W & H are shirking their duties by using their military commitments as a poor excuse.
They are not the first royals to enter the armed forces. PC did his fair share, and kept up royal duties, as did their uncle Andrew, who as we all know was also a helicopter pilot and did his fair share by representing the Queen on many commonwealth trips.
As I said in another posting, they can’t have their hands held forever, sooner or later they have got to learn to walk.
To think the Queen was 24 when she ascended the throne, with two young children. However, like the great monarch she is, the Queen put duty first.
As much as I love W & H I am beginning to wonder when will they grow up?
Furthermore, I should like to quote something which Richard Kay said in the C4 documentary.
He said, ‘Public affection is built by how visible they are. If there invisible then the public become indifferent, and if there indifferent, then the monarchy ceases to have any relevance and I think it’s very dangerous for them, how there being sort of allowed to put their royal future on hold almost permanently’.
Goodnight, God bless and may your God go with you.
February 6th, 2009 21:35
I totally agree Hale. I also agree with Kay on that.
February 6th, 2009 23:38
Gracie yes that is exactly what I was thinking.. ked sorry pictured youloiming about 50 years old balding & glasses?? No dice??
Anyway if all signs had pointed towards an engagement & then it had been called off wouldn’t they just pull the books??
February 7th, 2009 00:06
jj, you are correct. The most recent book announcement was this past week. A new book written by Jobson,the fellow who wrote the book “William’s Princess”. His new book is on both William and Kate. All these books hitting at almost the same time. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know something is up. As convinced as ked is that nothing is happening,I am equally convinced that something is indeed coming.
February 7th, 2009 00:14
Yes, something is coming and I’m trying to remain patient.
February 7th, 2009 02:51
Hale,
Your point on Richard Kay’s comment is well made and PW has missed many opportunities to enhance the affection that many had for him following his Mum’s demise.
Both Diana and Charles hated the press and the intrusion into their private lives which may have contributed to the ending of their marriage. In earlier times the puplicity on the couple would not have been so intense and in private their marriage just may have survived if the public humiliation Diana felt had been avoided.
However, despite this loathing, both D and C used the press to their advantage thus building up an “affection built on visibility ” which both used eventually and helped both their causes in many respects.
PW , inheriting both parents loathing and ultimately blamed the press (as a whole) for the loss of his beloved mother, has not inherited his parents ’savvy’ in building up this
“affection from visibility” and his relationship with the press since he left university has been confrontational to say the least.
This has developed into a phobia with the press in general which has undoubtedly affected the PW/KM relationship and in the manner of all predators the press retaliated and rounded on his weakest link, and KM and her family became fair game and suffered the most appalling treatment continuously over several months.
PW failure to adopt an adult attitude to this intrusion has certainly affected his ability to attract this affection built on visibility, so Mr Kay , depite his own many failings, makes a valid point.
Indeed, an opportunity missed.
February 7th, 2009 07:24
First,lets be fair to William and Harry. They both just began their military training. Both will attend the unveiling of a statue of Queen Elizabeth on 2/24 along with other senior members of the RF. They also just recently added a new patronage to their list as well as establishing their own office. Richard Kay’s POV comes from a newspaper guy who’s circulation depends on readership and young royals rake in readers. In todays internet society,many newspapers face declining numbers due to people not reading papers but getting the majority of their news online. Why do you guys think these papers dog William Kate so much? They sell papers. Mr Kay would like us to think he has the future of the Monarchy in mind,but I believe there is a bit more to it.
February 7th, 2009 07:40
Hale,
Forgive my neglecting your request yesterday. I have just read through band seen it.
Yes I know the song well.
The ‘my lttle pot’ is a reference to a line in the song “Sospan Fach” which is literally ‘little saucepan’. In the Welsh the noun frequently is written before the adjective or adverb describing it. Bach in Welsh is small or little but because of a grammatical ‘rule’ frequently a word is mutated so bach becomes fach and still means small or little. Welsh being a harsh sounding language needs the mutations to soften the spoken word.
As a matter of further interest the town Llanelli which is of some significant rugby fame is nick named ‘Sospan’ hence the connection between the song and rugby.
There are many variations of the song including the ‘russian’ version and many rude translations used by rival country’s fans.
I’ll not go into the full translation but the first line is interesting;
“Mae bys Mari Ann wedi gwywo” translates to
“My sweet Mary Ann’s hurt her finger”
and goes on “a cat scratches Jonny’s face” The pan boils over” and “David the soldier with his shirtail hanging out” etc et.
One day I’ll post it with full translation. Perhaps.
The Aunt I refered to is Anne, The Princess Royal who is something of a ‘mscot’ to the Scotland Rugby Team.
Sorry for off post BRW but thought it would interest posters.
February 7th, 2009 09:43
Maybe PW will ask KM to marry him at the rugby game? Do they have the big screens for rugby like they do for football games? He could have it printed across the screen “Marry me, Kate!” That would be funny, okay a little tacky, but truly unexpected.
February 7th, 2009 11:19
LOL William is a tricky guy, I’m sure he will do it in a very surprising fashion. If he hasn’t done it already.
That’s true Lisa.
February 7th, 2009 11:40
“Both Diana and Charles hated the press and the intrusion into their private lives which may have contributed to the ending of their marriage. In earlier times the puplicity on the couple would not have been so intense and in private their marriage just may have survived if the public humiliation Diana felt had been avoided.
However, despite this loathing, both D and C used the press to their advantage thus building up an “affection built on visibility ” which both used eventually and helped both their causes in many respects.”
Ked, I agree with that. Hopefully things will change soon and we will see this couple doing great things. Prince Andrew said last year that being royal can a burden or a opportunity. William & Kate can use that attention they are getting to do some wonderful things.
February 7th, 2009 16:07
Ked..That’s the song! Sospan Fach, it’s ever so rousing. I fell in love with welsh choirs, when in 1996 my husband and myself did a battlefield tour on the 80th anniversary of the Somme. They’re was a huge ceremony and a smaller one where the welsh regiments fought. Can’t remember now where, it may have been Highwood, anyway they’re was a welsh choir and they were sublime.
Thank you ever so much for that information.
Lisa, I totally agree with your views on how newspapers are now struggling for readership. I also am looking forward to the new Monarchy website, especially the royal channel.
I am usually the first to lambast the press, and have done so even when they were right, much to my embarrassment. Though their are some royal commentators who I don’t always agree with and I am aware the media is essentially a business, but I do feel certain commentators like Richard Kay, do genuinely like the monarchy, and over a course of years have become knowledgeable enough to appraise its future and voice their concerns.
I’m sorry, but as Rman said, I do think the younger ones could do more, and as Ked said with regards to PW ‘indeed an opportunity missed’. However, let us hope now they have their own office they will hopefully commence engaging in more public duties, after all they are the future of the monarchy.
February 7th, 2009 16:51
Yes Hale, I hope this new team will kick into gear and make this year bigger and better than last year.
February 7th, 2009 16:54
Hale,
The Memorials in Belgium are at Hazebrouck and Hainaut which is near Lille,Ypres , Loos and at Amentieries which is near where the Canadian Memorial is situated. You can see it clearly from the motorway from Liege to Brussels.
The UK and New Zealand Memorial is at Passchendaele where the RWF (Royal Welsh Fusiliers) fought in 1914/15.
February 7th, 2009 18:35
Sorry BRW if I digress from the Royals
Ked
The Somme was in France, all around Agincourt area. We stayed in Arras. there was a nice town we visited called Albert. God it was such a long time ago.
All what you’ve mentioned in your posting, my husband has been too.
He’s a naval reservist, and every year there’s a walk around Ypres which concludes with a special service at the Menin gate, remembering the fallen in WW1 & WW2, its ever so moving. My husband goes every year with members of his unit.
But getting back to the Somme. Every year the farmers are still ploughing up unexploded mine shells going back to WW1. They call it the Iron Harvest.
Sorry once again BRW…Thank You